Yes, winning over the people you're subjugating is ideal and for all intents and purposes is best option for a conquering warlord, but if you're trying to support an army on the move, NOT sacking a city will lead to problems down the road. From a machiavellian perspective it's absolutely necessary.
I wanna clarify that I'm not referencing dany's situation here, but loot and food are far more important things for a roving warband than potential future taxes or potential future workers (or even slaves for that matter).
Why would anyone care by that point? It's been years of nonstop war with houses wiped out, everybody should be so desensitized that they just want the wars to end even if it means bowing to a tyrant. The main cast had no plan for what to do after her death; the natural outcome for assassinating her should have been for the Unsullied and Dothraki to genocide everyone. If the point of the show is that power corrupts and that the pursuit of power destroys everything, then the only thing to do is to give up (because contesting the throne causes more violence) and to obey the tyrant (because it doesn't matter who reigns, it's all the same).
>what we see is basically the end of the dorthaki >well dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet. >Well Jon was the most involved with the night king, so it made sense that it shouldn’t have been him to deal the final blow
The civil war lasted like five years and resulted in a chevauchee and a few sieges. In the 30 years war, a solid 30% of all Germans globally died. The war was honestly not that brutal unless you're in the Riverlands. The Riverlands got fricked really hard but King's Landing had one siege which they fricking won, and then this event, which should've ended when the Lannisters fricking surrendered.
Most particularly though is that Dany herself has ZERO excuse to be flipping out like this. What exactly was worse about the King's Landing situation than her stupid adventures in the East? Where exactly is her bizarre fixation with freeing the oppressed, does it not count because they're white this time instead of a bunch of swarthoids?
Morality doesn't come into it at all. Westeros, and every living thing on it, belongs to Daenerys Targaryen by right of blood and conquest. If she wants to set it on fire that's her prerogative.
>Jon: "Children... little children... burned!" >Dany: "I tried to make peace with Cersei. She used their innocence as a weapon against me. She thought it would cripple me."
China three immensely bellicose countries that periodically force the other two to pretend that they're the same country. Its history is nothing but genocide and massacre and famine for this reason. Claiming China as an example of proper conduct is like using the Third Reich as an example of proper public relations, it's almost the counterexample of who you would actually cite.
To cite someone actually competent, would Julius Caesar have done this? Here's a hint, NO. Caesar did the OPPOSITE. Julius Caesar, machiavellian assassin, forgave his enemies and didn't purge his detractors because he understood that if you do that, everyone will remember you as a psycho and you become an imposition rather than a savior. What Danaerys did was the single STUPIDEST thing she could have done, which is why she was immediately assassinated, which was the only realistic thing to happen after Season 3.
What the frick does bellicose mean, wouldn't that mean beautiful or something?
China three immensely bellicose countries that periodically force the other two to pretend that they're the same country. Its history is nothing but genocide and massacre and famine for this reason. Claiming China as an example of proper conduct is like using the Third Reich as an example of proper public relations, it's almost the counterexample of who you would actually cite.
To cite someone actually competent, would Julius Caesar have done this? Here's a hint, NO. Caesar did the OPPOSITE. Julius Caesar, machiavellian assassin, forgave his enemies and didn't purge his detractors because he understood that if you do that, everyone will remember you as a psycho and you become an imposition rather than a savior. What Danaerys did was the single STUPIDEST thing she could have done, which is why she was immediately assassinated, which was the only realistic thing to happen after Season 3.
>forgave his enemies and didn't purge his detractors
And how did that work out for him?
Yes, -now- people admire him for his battlefield and political tactics, but him exercising patience when it came to cato and the rest of his detractors got his ass killed.
And maybe that would have been a smart thing for Danaerys to do instead of destroying the capital of the kingdom, the ONLY place where Targaryan Rule still meant anything, filled with the only people who might theoretically still hold any nostalgic loyalty to her family. She didn't kill any of the people who assassinated her, she CAUSED herself to be assassinated by killing a bunch of innocent people for no reason.
Jesus Christ the fact that anyone could look at this situation and not see how obviously she fricked up is tremendously blackpilling.
Easy there big guy, I'm not defending dany, I stopped watching after season 4 so I've got no opinion on the ending.
Strictly talking about caesar here.
Tyrion hit the lowest point during his trial with his frick-awful acting, compounded by the even worse dialogue. It never got better for him from there
>Okay, what if we got rid of Aegon and replaced his whole story with more sand snakes? Then when Daenerys gets to King's Landing and is forced to engage with Aegon, we'll just have her hear some bells and get angry and torch the entire city for no reason >Brilliant. Print it.
Just because China does something doesn't make it right
You will swallow your words you disgusting american capitalist pig.
Sacking a capital is inherently doing something wrong. It's breaking the law, natural law at the very least.
Yes, winning over the people you're subjugating is ideal and for all intents and purposes is best option for a conquering warlord, but if you're trying to support an army on the move, NOT sacking a city will lead to problems down the road. From a machiavellian perspective it's absolutely necessary.
Incinerating an entire tax and labor base is not fourth dimensional chess no matter how you spin it.
>muh tax base
Shut the frick up George and go write your fricking book. King's landing was a rat's nest of sedition and got what it deserved.
Ask America if nuking their future tax base hurt them...
Lets check.
Seems the answer is no, it helped them. Good thing for Dany, if she didn't die immediately after...
Ok, I just sent them a text. I'll let you know what they say.
I wanna clarify that I'm not referencing dany's situation here, but loot and food are far more important things for a roving warband than potential future taxes or potential future workers (or even slaves for that matter).
Why didn't she dye her eyebrows? Distracted me for all 8 seasons.
She did. They're naturally blonde.
Why would anyone care by that point? It's been years of nonstop war with houses wiped out, everybody should be so desensitized that they just want the wars to end even if it means bowing to a tyrant. The main cast had no plan for what to do after her death; the natural outcome for assassinating her should have been for the Unsullied and Dothraki to genocide everyone. If the point of the show is that power corrupts and that the pursuit of power destroys everything, then the only thing to do is to give up (because contesting the throne causes more violence) and to obey the tyrant (because it doesn't matter who reigns, it's all the same).
And good thing Drogon, decided to just frick off, instead of going insane and starting to torch Westeros city by city.
The only good thing about the Short Night episode was all the D*thraki getting killed.
And in the next episode it was like "oh there they are."
>what we see is basically the end of the dorthaki
>well dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet.
>Well Jon was the most involved with the night king, so it made sense that it shouldn’t have been him to deal the final blow
D&D are absolute fricking morons
The civil war lasted like five years and resulted in a chevauchee and a few sieges. In the 30 years war, a solid 30% of all Germans globally died. The war was honestly not that brutal unless you're in the Riverlands. The Riverlands got fricked really hard but King's Landing had one siege which they fricking won, and then this event, which should've ended when the Lannisters fricking surrendered.
Most particularly though is that Dany herself has ZERO excuse to be flipping out like this. What exactly was worse about the King's Landing situation than her stupid adventures in the East? Where exactly is her bizarre fixation with freeing the oppressed, does it not count because they're white this time instead of a bunch of swarthoids?
>the point of the show
I think you’re being overly generous to suggest it had a point.
Morality doesn't come into it at all. Westeros, and every living thing on it, belongs to Daenerys Targaryen by right of blood and conquest. If she wants to set it on fire that's her prerogative.
>Jon: "Children... little children... burned!"
>Dany: "I tried to make peace with Cersei. She used their innocence as a weapon against me. She thought it would cripple me."
That didn't age well
Underrated post
>Bells mean kill everyone
Why was that the trigger for Dany?
Would you say it made her bellicose?
What the frick does bellicose mean, wouldn't that mean beautiful or something?
It means full of belligerence.
Warlike, it's from the Latin Bella (war) it's where Parabellum comes from. Also Casus Belli.
>Latinlets
wasn't it some reference to her dad (who also killed a lot of innocent people) going nuts?
No
then what was it a reference to fella
I don’t know but I do know it has nothing to do with her father.
The Targs flipping out and burning King's Landing is a recurring theme of their rule, so it was almost certainly a reference to that.
I was talking about the bells symbolism anon.
China three immensely bellicose countries that periodically force the other two to pretend that they're the same country. Its history is nothing but genocide and massacre and famine for this reason. Claiming China as an example of proper conduct is like using the Third Reich as an example of proper public relations, it's almost the counterexample of who you would actually cite.
To cite someone actually competent, would Julius Caesar have done this? Here's a hint, NO. Caesar did the OPPOSITE. Julius Caesar, machiavellian assassin, forgave his enemies and didn't purge his detractors because he understood that if you do that, everyone will remember you as a psycho and you become an imposition rather than a savior. What Danaerys did was the single STUPIDEST thing she could have done, which is why she was immediately assassinated, which was the only realistic thing to happen after Season 3.
>forgave his enemies and didn't purge his detractors
And how did that work out for him?
Yes, -now- people admire him for his battlefield and political tactics, but him exercising patience when it came to cato and the rest of his detractors got his ass killed.
And maybe that would have been a smart thing for Danaerys to do instead of destroying the capital of the kingdom, the ONLY place where Targaryan Rule still meant anything, filled with the only people who might theoretically still hold any nostalgic loyalty to her family. She didn't kill any of the people who assassinated her, she CAUSED herself to be assassinated by killing a bunch of innocent people for no reason.
Jesus Christ the fact that anyone could look at this situation and not see how obviously she fricked up is tremendously blackpilling.
Easy there big guy, I'm not defending dany, I stopped watching after season 4 so I've got no opinion on the ending.
Strictly talking about caesar here.
Stupidity among the characters ran pretty rampant in S8, especially with Tyrion.
Tyrion hit the lowest point during his trial with his frick-awful acting, compounded by the even worse dialogue. It never got better for him from there
Even worse, he never verbally stated his goal of raping and killing Cersei like in the books.
>Third Reich as an example of proper public relations
You mean those guys that hosted the Olympics and annexed several territories peacefully?
Yeah they were great.
What it shit ending. It buried the fat man for good. He'll never finish the books now
She didn't sack it, she burned it to the fricking ground.
>Okay, what if we got rid of Aegon and replaced his whole story with more sand snakes? Then when Daenerys gets to King's Landing and is forced to engage with Aegon, we'll just have her hear some bells and get angry and torch the entire city for no reason
>Brilliant. Print it.
I pirated season 3 and can't understand when she speaks that nerd language
At least americans nuke cities to make them surreder, not after the fact
except japan had already surrendered before the nukes
That's just a lie
you're just illiterate
She was a rabid dog and rabid dogs need to be put down. It’s the humane thing to do.
glad I read the books years beforehand so I could sit back and laugh as this cheap garbage fettered the minds of millions of dweebs