>Universal’s efforts fall short of achieving a meaningful impact. The anticipation was palpable among Universal fans for the emergence of the Dark Universe, a horror counterpart to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Unfortunately, with the setback of The Mummy in 2017, those aspirations have waned considerably.
No Ivan it's not because it had a black man in it.
Its not because it has a black man in it, but it probably is largely because of the black man they did have in it
It's an interesting observation that woke movies really aren't bad (most of the time) because of the "woke" elements within the film, but purely because wokeness was decided upon as a leading element in the film's conception to begin with. The films are just shit to the core because of the people making them. When you are making an adaptation of the Witcher or LOTR and you, as a showrunner, seriously decide that integrity, heart, and quality must fall to the wayside in favor of cheap politics or theatrics, the project was doomed from the start.
It's why you see plastic water bottles and starbucks cups in some scenes in GOT season 8, because the people in charge simply fail to give a shit and are absolutely incompetent. They deserve the same amount of respect as a tumblr fanfiction as opposed to a serious artistic effort.
I think some Disney suit admitted herself that a ton of fantastic scripts get tossed because when Disney runs them through their Blackrock checklist, it is missing essential components. The nog in this movie had the story revolve around how black he was. To get a white lead, you'd need to completely re-write the story. This is the issue and why these movies are tossed. Unless the story was created with the sole purpose of cheap politics and theatrics, as you said, then it won't be used, regardless if it is high quality
It's hilarious how incompetent hollyisraelite is these days.
>make a film with the specific intention of establishing another cinematic universe
>film doesn't stand well on its own since it's made with intent other than simply "make film"
>film flops and cinematic universe never takes off
>rinse and repeat
Demeter wasn't a victim of any cinematic universe building, it was just generic as frick
This show is edgy slasher garbage written by some Britbong moron who ruined Doctor Who self-inserting as his epic edgy supervillain, I don't get why ppl liked episode 1.
>Demeter wasn't a victim of any cinematic universe building
The black guy was clearly being set up to serve as Abraham Van Helsing in subsequent movies
This.
Especially since he is a professor that does blood transfusions.
Yep. Said the very same.
The movie was so fricking shit.
Dracula Episode 2 also deals with the storyline on the ship. It's a million times better.
Last Voyage is just a nonsense creature feature. Also the beast is LE WHITE SUPREMACY cringe.
bro
this show is awful and that episode is shit
I see you in al these threads shilling that fricking show. It is awful. I gave it a fair shake but it was terrible. Please stop shilling
Do you have any source? What is your proof for the claim that it is bad? 0 source. Unconfirmed. Basically, everybody should ignore you. People like you also say that there was a moon landing just because there are some shady videos, meanwhile the astronauts went through the Van Allen belt and was irradiated and then grew to an old age without ever getting cancer. Stop it, nobody is going to believe that there was a moon landing. Stop your propaganda already!
>all the crew dead except for the black doctor man
>dracula looks into the camera and says "now that i have killed all the humans, i will now leave" and flies away
You had the premise for a joke here anon. You didn't get to it but hey you tried.
>Also the beast is LE WHITE SUPREMACY cringe.
This is never implied at all in the movie
Actually, yes it was. You just were not paying attention or listening.
the black dude has a monologue about how he graduated from oxford and no one would hire him because he's black. And he almost got hired outside of England but when they saw him they decided not to hire him.
and this version was complete dogshit aside from the guy playing dracula and the woman playing his foil
>dogshit aside from... wait for it... the two main characters
What did they mean by this?
You are lying ofcourse. It was not dogshit. You have no source for your claim. You probably also are a moon landing propagandist like that other guy. Sorry, not buying it.
that show was GOAT
but not a fan of Dracula sacrificing himself for literallywho woman, she might be similar to her rival but was ultimately just a cheap copy with less intelligence
Finally, somebody who appreciates kino.
why do they keep releasing horror movies in the summer
Some horror movies are perfect for summertime. Friday the 13th, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Scream, most other slashers. In the case of this movie I think they knew they had a dud on their hands and just dumped it.
FNAF and Saw are going to overshadow everything in September/October
I probably would’ve watched this if it wasn’t for all the monkeys in it.
>we are doing monsters universe
>but no we are doing standalone monster films
Nobody gives a shit about more separate monster films. There's enough of them. People want monster mash. Box office shows more than bad reviews.
Van Helsing 300m
Dracula Untold (original start of shared universe) 215m
Mummy 400m
Meanwhile standalone films, while getting better reviews, they flop one by one.
The Wolf Man - 140m
Renfield - 25m
Demeter - 6m
Invisible Man - 140m but it was dirty cheap to make so made profit.
Monster mash movies were always critically panned but they were fun. Frankenstein meets The Wolfman is considered a very bad film but a milestone in shared crossovers.
Everyone knows what da matter was
The film concludes with the Black doctor looking at the camera: ''Racism was the real monster.''
<fade to black>
make new monsters like a pointy nosed man beast who steals all your money yet claims to be the victim
Sounds spooky!
oh no no no no no
Why are you panicking?
I'm confused. I don't even know what is going on there.
Dracula Untold was supposed to be the beginning on monster universe world. Then they said no it's not and officially started with The Mummy, even including series logo, then they backed out and asked Blumhouse to do Invisible Man during the pandemy. Now they started building Dark Universe park and stated that Renfield movie will reintroduce classic Dracula. Then they released this film but apparently not related to cinematic universe, however anons say it sets up black guy as professor non-Van Helsing.
What the frick is going on? Dark Universe is but isn't and then there's Dark Universe park in works.
After Renfield bombed the Wikipedia page for Dark Universe was removed. After false starting Dark Universe 4 times (Dracula untold, the mummy 2017, the invisible man, renfield) they literally retconned reality to pretend it was never a real thing. There were a couple of threads about it, I had kept an eye on Renfield to see it bomb so I was familiar with the Dark Ukiverse related wiki pages and noticed after renfield's first weekend they had been nuked.
I suspect this movie could have been a 5th attempt to soft launch the Dark Universe but they never made ties clear because they were concerned that what happened would happen.
OK but at the same time they copyrighted Dark Universe as name for their monster theme park so it's not like they are pretending it doesn't exist.
The most confusing franchise ever.
It's a bunch of remakes the same we've been seeing for decades. The classic universal cycle also had barely any continuity.
>stand alone Frankenstein movies (unfortunatelly with unnecessary Ghost of Frankenstein)
>Dracula and Dracula's Daughter
>the four Kharis Mummy movies
>The Invisible Man and Invisible Man Returns, Revenge and Invisible Agent probably, hard to say
>The Wolf-Man and the Frankenstein movies sort of are in the same continuity as Frankenstein Meets the Wolf-Man
>which sort of share continuity with both House movies
>only the Creature trilogy is a neat series with a story from beginning to end
the execs at universal are literal morons. simple as
I need something to pick me up after this travesty of a film. Is Dracula Untold worth a watch ?
Dracula 2000 or that new onw with Nicolas Cage
It's ok. Dracula is an unironic good guy in it which you may or may not care about but it's competently made
Palpable among no other groups. No one cares about the Dark Universe, and who even knew this was supposed to be part of that?
>who even knew this was supposed to be part of that?
The director says it was not, but also that he likes the idea of dark universe
Was The Dark Universe Originally Going To Use The Last Voyage Of The Demeter As Its Dracula Movie? The Director Responds
By Adam Holmes
published 11 August 2023
The Last Voyage of the Demeter director André Øvredal discussed on ReelBlend whether his Dracula movie was intended to be part of the Dark Universe.
Jake Hamilton, who cohosts ReelBlend with our own Sean O’Connell and Kevin McCarthy, recently spoke with Øvredal (whose other credits include Trollhunter and Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark) about his work on The Last Voyage of the Demeter, and among the topics brought up was if this movie was ever meant to exist in the Dark Universe. Here’s how the filmmaker responded:
No, obviously this is an Amblin movie. It’s a DreamWorks movie, and it’s where it’s been developed. So it’s not part of that universe, it was never thought to be. It was more a standalone thing. But I do see a lot of people are linking it with the Dark Universe, which is fun… In its initial inception of being those huge movies, it could have been great.
Same bullshitting as Renfield's director said.
Frick you. It was kino and I'm sick of racists ruining good things
What’s kino about it? The fact that they turned Dracula into a flying chimp ? The terrible performances by everyone (including DD and Cunningham). The terrible writing making every single character braindead morons? The laughably bad soundtrAck? What’s good?
It had a Black protagonist, that's all that matters. Representation is more important than entertainment.
Anon just lie to me and say it's like Alien but on a boat.
The sad thing is, that was the original pitch for it in the early 90s. Had it been made then, it might have been wonderful
Is Universal run by legit morons? Hugh Jackman is still a popular actor and Van Helsing is a niche but fairly beloved movie, literally just make a sequel and boom, your cringe capeshit like universe is Born, van hesing was already a crossover of the classic monsters jc they are straight up moronic
Why would you release a Dracula movie in August?
>tfw ywn experience The Pope's Exorcist vs the Dark Universe crossover
In desperation they'll do multiversal Draculas (that Universal could get access to)
>Lugosi Dracula
>Cage Dracula from Renfield
>Luke Evans Dracula from Dracula Untold
>Roxburgh Dracula from Van Helsing
>Javier Botet Dracula from Last Voyage of the Demeter
>Maybe Nosferatu since he's public domain
Then Sony will do their own Dracula cinematic multiverse with
>Gary Oldman Dracula from Coppola's Dracula
>Adam Sandler Dracula from Hotel Transylvania
>Leslie Nielsen Dracula from Dracula: Dead and Loving It
Sony should do Dracula universe without Dracula. Same how they are doing Spiderman enemies without Spidey.
They should make a Van Helsing sequel with old Hugh Jackman tbh
This movie has a ton of love despite being kinda shit
That soundtrack is so good
It peaked with the mummy. Facts are brutal. Mummy made over 400 million at the box office. Other films failed. Mummy made twice of Dracula Untold. 3x more than The Invisible Man, 17x more than Renfield. It just cost them too much as the budget was 125 million so it's considered a flop despite highest box office numbers.
Box office tells otherwise.
400m vs 200m vs 140m vs 27m
Mummy made more money than all 3 other films while on lower combined budget.
Even when you add Dracula Untold, Invisible Man and Renfield they all together made less than mummy. And in terms of budget they cost more.
Budgets: Dracula Untold 70m+Invisible Man 7m+Renfield 65m=142m
Box office: 200+140+27=367
So it's total 367m on 147m budget. Mummy is 409m on 125m budget. Simple math.
They all suck and are critically panned craps but mummy still wins in terms of pure business.
It is, like all other films as well, I'm just stating facts and it's peak of that whole monster universe. Not my opinion, just raw numbers.
>Anon annihilated by business anon like a school bus full of Palestinian children on the way to the playground with FACTS and LOGIC
Sorry anon, you lost that one. I like Dracula too, but the name is liquid AIDS now in the box office. People like mummies. Not that much, but more than Dracula. At least, more than the Dracula movies being made. That doesn't look to be changing anytime soon either
70m invested with 200m outcome is little less than 120m invested with 400m outcome, not by much tho. If the mummy had budget of 140 then it would be equally profitable as dracula untold.
The difference isn't that big anyway, it's just mathematics and mummy is objectively peak in terms of gross and movies are business.
Mummy, while being trash, was the peak of this shit series and I doubt any other monster movie will top 400m now.
Can anyone who saw this movie and genuinely enjoyed it provide a much needed list of things they liked? I don't think I've seen even one that wasn't trolling. I'll try to list some myself, even though I didn't like the movie at all
>Kid dies a really awful death that might have been touching if we only cared about him
>I liked the Evil Dead eye effects when you are turned into a vampire
>Dying in the sun looks convincingly painful
>All the horse and buggies rolling Dracula's boxes full of soil and whatnot to the harbor looked nice
That's all I got
>provide a much needed list of things they liked
Why is it "much needed"? Who needs it?
Posters come in, says the movie is kino, they get rebuffed or asked what was kino, they don't reply, rinse repeat. I was curious if anyone actually did like this movie and it wasn't just marketers and trolls, but it would seem that was the case and the movie really is that bad
I love how, having trouble to list anything else than people suffering from vampirism, you decided to count horses and crates as good part. Must be really shit if horses are highlights of the movie.
That part had a nice rustic charm to it that would have fit into the older movies pretty well, but it was very short-lived. I was struggling hard to think of anything I liked. The movie is completely forgettable
how many times has this "Dark Universe" bullshit tried and failed to lift off
5. At least.
Dracula Untold, The Mummy then they broke connections for standalone movies, but each standalone film also tried to set something up. So The Invisible Man, Renfield and now The Last Voyage of the Demeter.
You may also add Van Helsing and The Wolf Man from 2010 but these were probably before cinematic universes craze.
Renfield was the last attempt. Demeter was not supposed to be Dark universe thing, it was in production since 2011 so long before they even mentioned dark universe thing.
There is time for them to get Van Helsing, right. Demeter's marketing shows they're well aware of how it should be cast. It's a shame we all already know it's going to be shit.
New Van Helsing was supposed to be a secret sequel to Dracula Untold. However if they discontinued Untold it probably won't happen anytime soon.
I'd suggest try a supernatural themed tv series if the market wasn't already oversaturated.
Dark Universe peaked with Dracula Untold, starring Luke Evans and Sarah Gadon.
Drac Untold perfectly lines up with The Mummy. You can really feel these movies were planned to connect together until they rejected Untold for whatever reasons. Now when
says Van Helsing movie was Dark Universe’ssequel to Untold it is 100% clear they had it planned.
I liked Untold. The thought of Charles Dance fricking around with Dracula, playing mind games and shit, was intriguing.
just another case of go woke go broke
a Black person doctor in the 1800s?
This movie seemed interesting but it had like no marketing.
It had plenty of marketing, it was just shit
This thread just makes me want to play Castlevania
>Conan aesthetics hero + Bela Lugosi's Dracula
A great example that sometimes all it takes is to put two really nice things together
Yes
This movie kind of has the same problem The Mummy did. It's supposed to be horror, but you know the main character isn't going to die and is pretty much untouchable. The Mummy because Tom Cruise and this one because the protag is black in a woke movie. Just him being black alone and talking about racism means a nuclear bomb could've gone off in front of him and the writers would say he survived via the power of black slave spirits or some shit.
There's a reason The Invisible Man actually hit with people, nobody knew who the frick she was and there was every chance she was actually going to die. Shit, she had just been in a movie the year prior where she got horribly murdered. But a black doctor in the early 1900's setting where he gets to whine about racism? Might as well have ended the movie flying off into the sunset.