>"I began to think that what if the first hyperspace travel wasn't technological, but that it was, you know, nature. And that there were creatures that people could witness that would jump to hyperspace."
Dave Filoni on space whales in Star Wars
>"I began to think that what if the first hyperspace travel wasn't technological, but that it was, you know, nature. And that there were creatures that people could witness that would jump to hyperspace."
>needs half a dozen super stardestroyer hypercores to build a ringship to go to another galaxy
>nvm space whale can do it just as fast.
The most powerful computers still can't do as much processing as the simplist brains. Nature > technology
I don't know I've run into some dumb ass fuckers on here a boomer's malware filled 90's macbook could outthink.
ok go casually best some chess grandmasters at the game of chess
It's not really all that impressive when it's just been fed every known chess match to ever be recorded
>It's not really all that impressive when it's just been fed every known chess match to ever be recorded
1) that actually would be impressive
2) that's not how it works. that's just the pop sci simplification you probably read on IFLS
Go ask a chess board about its day.
no, but I'll ask the chess computer about its day. it said "help the scientists locked me in this box"
>Need space whales
>Need an extremely powerful force user
>Still don't know where you're gonna end up, could be stranded in fucking nowhere or killed in transit
Yeah I think it's fair.
filoni is a hack
>nature
>blood pressure in vacuum
Sorry Feloni, this is beyond stupid to make fleshy beings with blood pressure in a no pressure environment.
does it have blood and blood pressure? It's just glowy hyperspaceplasma.
Tardigrades can survive indefinitely in vacuum. So it's not as though no life can. I have an easier time buying shit evolving to survive in vacuum than I do life evolving a hyperspace ability.
But I have to admit it's a neat if retarded idea.
>talking about blood pressure in a giant whale
>uhhhhhhm well achtually there are these tiny 0.000000000015 nanometer things that can survive in vacuum! checkmate!
>The liquid that fills tardigrades is called hemolymph, which is full of nutrients, much like our blood. A Tardigrade's anatomy is a lot like ours - they have muscles, brains, eyes, and stomachs.
Size matters not to the effect of a fucking vacuum.
>doesn't know how blood pressure works
So why do you have to exhale if caught out in vacuum to keep your lungs from rupturing? Is the air in your lungs pressurized like your blood? If that air can be less "pressurized" and still fuck up, why can't less pressurized liquid?
oh god you're so fucking stupid
>inb4 Exogorths
They have hard skin and live inside asteroids while consuming inorganic matter, they're not the same.
>the whales can't have hard skin
Thanks for letting me know the space worms from ESB are called Exogorths, btw.
They're soft based on how they move and the scarring.
>Tardigrades can survive indefinitely in vacuum
no they cant shithead
Nobody has tested the "indefinitely" part. The thing they can't survive is the intensity of radiation in space.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14690-water-bears-are-first-animal-to-survive-space-vacuum/
>Good when George does it with giant worms (that even have a breathable human atmosphere in their stomach, lol)
>Good when the EU gives the Vong biological starships that can jump to hyperspace and traveled from another galaxy
>Bad when Filoni does it
You can shit on writing, acting, CGI, and it would be a valid criticism. But by shitting on Space Whales for being too wacky you are a retard.
If you can’t wrap your head around it, consider that the space of the galaxy in Star Wars is entirely a very thin atmosphere and that’s why Jango Fett uses sonic boom bombs in space
>b-but I never said the space worm and Jang fett’s sonic boom was good either!!
Then I assume you are a Disney shill mad that Filoni is declaring the sequels noncanon.
>>Good when the EU gives the Vong biological starships that can jump to hyperspace and traveled from another galaxy
the Vong were RETARDED and don't pretend every one thought they were cool or fit into star wars
also your entire post is an appeal to hypocrisy
There's nothing inherently wrong with the Vong's bioengineered tech, them being immune to the force because something something (was never explained satisfactorily why they were) was definitely the most retarded thing about them.
That was explained, their god homeworld stripped them of force sensitivity.
>never explained satisfactorily
I stand by my argument.
I think the biotech is misplaced in star wars, but
>them being immune to the force
I agree to be the greater error
I'll agree to disagree on the biotech, to me, with so many different alien races in that one galaxy, it's plausible.
>not an argument
>not an argument
>not an argument
Concession accepted.
You didn't present an argument to begin with
>You can shit on writing, acting, CGI, and it would be a valid criticism. But by shitting on Space Whales for being too wacky you are a retard.
I despise ESLs. Can’t you use your own ESL forum? Why must you shit up English speaking ones?
>t. monolingual
Your entire post is an appeal to hypocrisy. You are disputing the target of the criticism not the criticism itself. The criticism is valid among all three aspects you pointed out, and you've failed to make a point against the argument.
You even invent a strawman to pretend to argue with in your own post.
You would call me ESL despite the fact that you clearly don't understand reason nor the english language.
lmfao
I am not. By the laws of giant space creatures set down in the OT, giant monsters live in the vacuum of space.
Space is a massive vacuum devoid of food and an atmosphere, yet by the sci-fantasy rules shown in George’s canon, these types of creatures exist. You can get mad at hyperspace travel but it’s ridiculous to ask “how do they survive in space” (evolution) and “what do they eat” (food)
Its not established that evolution even exists in Star Wars. Star Wars arguably has a pseudo-form of creationism. All living things are influenced by medichlorians, and we know that Anakin was an immaculate conception entirely made through influencing medichlorians. Plus, we know ancient sith used sith alchemy to make their own beasts, and the Filoniverse seems to point towards there being powerful Force Gods. It seems like maybe all life in the galaxy is created by ancient Force gods.
And also Star Wars has lots of ways of generating energy, so the food question is pointless also. Like for all we know, every spacewhale is born with a Kyber Crystal inside of it that powers it. Also, since they have in-built hyperdrives, they are capable of fast travelling across galaxies, so whatever they eat, they can probably easily find lots of it.
>the Filoniverse seems to point towards there being powerful Force Gods.
This was incorporated into the EU though, Abeloth was the culmination of that storyline. So I don't think that one was Dave's idea, or at least not his alone.
Mortis was a Clone Wars creation.
Yes, but not everything in that show was Filoni's creation, primarily because one of its purposes was filling in George's plot holes. Which was always EU writer territory.
damn star wars is retarded
>Why must you shit up English speaking ones?
Sir, this is a Mongolian basket weaving forum, English is the second language here.
Just listened to the entire NJO series on audiobook during lockdowns. Even at its worst, it was still better than anything Disney’s produced.
Whataboutery
Good cover art
weird that this anon is trying to equate gay space whales with one of the most memorable scenes in pop cinema
>good when George and EU
>bad when Filoni
Yeah, that's Star Wars in a nutshell. But a retard who thinks Filoni will retcon the ST wouldn't know that.
What do these things eat btw? This just implies there's a whole ecosystem in outer space. Which is stupid
I don't know why a predator-prey kind of space ecosystem would be stupid, there's already one we can see, it just doesn't have anything living in it (that we know about).
space plankton. splankton
I'm more concerned about The Empire's conservation policy. Is hunting of these creatures regulated? Were Han, Leia and Chewie charged with disturbing a space wildlife preserve?
splankton
What the hell does a massive space whale the size of a star destroyer eat?
Space plankton.
there's an organic fission/fusion reactor powering it
they eat a gas that is found in astroids.
Watch rebels, all of this is answered in there, the show is the most star wars feeling show since disney took the franchise over. and it ends just as it starts to overstay its welcome.
Big whale pussy
In real life this is like saying people flew riding giant birds first before airplanes were invented
What makes you think they did not?
>In order to breathe, purrgil needed to inhale stores of a green gas, Clouzon-36.[8] When they were not provided with enough of the gas, their skin turned to a gray to brownish color.[5] Once sufficiently provided with the Clouzon-36,[8] they metabolized it into hypermatter fuel and therefore were able to jump into hyperspace,[10] an alternate dimension that allowed traveling at lightspeed, by creating simu-tunnels.[11] When they were about to jump into hyperspace, their tentacles started glowing.[7]
Cool, now take this to its logical conclusion and do a Moby Dick in space miniseries about guys on the galactic fringe hunting space whales for their hyperspace juices.
Futurama did it.
Do starships have windshield wipers for spacewhale poop and pee?
Filoni does a lot of good for this franchise but I will always fucking hate how he insists on making stupid wacky space animals a major plot point in all his shows. Clone wars has big dumb smelly shitting animals, Rebels with the space whales, and even Mandalorian with the retarded pterodactyl kidnapping that kid and wasting an entire episode. STAR WARS is about the technological, the mystical. Not stupid stinking livestock with awful designs
>STAR WARS is about the technological, the mystical.
Aliens have always been a huge element of the series, so I don't see why non sapient alien animals would be so far off base. And again, I think whales evolving hyperspace travel is retarded.
>non sapient alien animals
And also, shit like
this and the fucking Sarlacc were always there. Lol the Sarlacc takes up a decent little chunk of ROTJ.
>STAR WARS is about the technological, the mystical.
So it's science fiction, not science fantasy?
He's just actually doing shit with all the McQuarrie and Whitlach animal designs over the years while throwing in his own creatures.
There’s a way to do it right, and it revolves around the natural world tying into the mystical, the Force, and Hyperspace. You could go so far as to tie the quality of nonlocality to it, to imply that it’s actually consciousness and our limited understanding of the larger cosmos that makes brute-forcing into Hyperspace with technology a necessity.
>Filoni does a lot of good for this franchise
When?
When no one’s looking.
He tries. He wants to do good for it but he can only do what Dave does, which isn't enough to "save" it or turn it around. George was bad at times but nowhere near as bad as the Yidsney people. And there were a ton of good writers from the EU and shit involved who are all gone now.
Best thing you can say about Dave is he actually loves it.
dave challenged george and dave's original plan was for a series of shorts set within the background of the EU clone wars rather than the definitive canon soulless abomination it came out as. george disliked the EU community after the negative reception of the prequels and replaced it with his show and sold the company.
The Force is about life and life is not corporeal machines.
>life is not corporeal machines.
Luke's treatment of artoo and 3po says otherwise.
>shit sci-fi franchise has space wizards and every single plot point revolves around the same 5 characters and the same planet
>but space whales that move at lightspeed is just too much
whales are cool, it's fine
Not to defend cowboy autist and his gay space whales but what about that worm that lives in asteroids and swallowed the delirium hawk whole with Pan Schlomo and Layer inside?
>the delirium hawk
>Pan Schlomo and Layer
Lost.
>noooo why is technology inspired by nature whyyyyyy it can only happen in real life nooooooo
I can buy the massive self aware planet with the force sensitivity and the mysterious built in hyperspace engine, but it being able to strip the force from whoever is too much.
>Dave, not whales, I said whills
This has happened in multiple sci-fis though. Garbage series such as "the seafort saga" has hyperspace goldfish
Dr Who has the Star Whales.
who cares. Simp Wars is not sci-fi, but space fantasy
>space whales
wasn't that a thing in Star Trek DS9? i could be wrong
TNG
these triop things are a lot cooler than just having an actual whale in space
>just having an actual whale
You know how our whales looks, right?
the shit in OP clearly has a sperm whale head.
that is more like a catwhaletopus
relative of the platypus
They’re also in Farscape
what do they eat?
Spice, it's just another Dune ripoff.
>random extra tastes it
>"it's pumpkin"
Kino Wars
if wooden doors can work than so can space whales goy
Stupid idea.
"... And then the gentle space whales show up and go SQEEE-OGGGGG SQUEEE-URGGGGGGG..."
Fits right at home with George's vision on Star Wars being more nature focused.
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