Has anyone at DC come down from Mount Olymus and talked to the fans on the street on what they want? Hint, it's not
- BENIS lore
- aged-up Jon
- all our heroes dead
- evil Superman edition #42243
- Tom - King & Taylor
The fans on the street love cookie cutter snarky MCU stuff and edgelord stuff with people getting brutalized like The Boys, Invincible, and that one scene from Dr Strange 2.
Yeaaah but that's not the people buying the DC comics. When DC's tried hard to lean into the edgy or le quirky, they've pretty much tanked most of what they've got except for the bazillion Bat books.
>MUH BATMAN >MUH BATMAN >MUH BATMAN >ONE BAD COMIC AND YOU'RE TARNISHED FOR LIFE >MUH BATMAN REEEEEEEEEEEE
Supergirl, Strange Adventures, and Human Target are good and have very little to do with how moronic Dark Crisis is or any of the other clusterfricks like the Mary Marvel sexual assault comic.
Tom King is essentially how Byrne views Morrison and Moore, but accurate >I get no sense from Morrison’s work that he has any “love for the genre.” I get the same vibe I get from Moore—a cold and calculated mixing of ingredients the writer knows the fans like, but to which the writer himself has no viceral connection. Nostalgia without being nostalgic, as I have dubbed it.
What disappointingly stupid take from him. Sounds like he's barely even read anything by Morrison. All-Star Superman alone is like the biggest love letter to superhero I've ever come across.
Supergirl is barely passable in that it does not ruin any character. At the end of the day, it is just another Supergirl adventure. I can think of better Supergirl stories I'd rather read. But it is readable and enjoyable, I suppose.
Both Strange Adventures and Human Target are pure character assassination pieces. Get lost.
The only semi-decent one out of those was Supergirl and even then you have to waddle through the mud that is King's pity party through half of each issue.
These evil elitist sacks of shit don't care about the fans. They're not grateful for all the money you've given them. They will scream that you are toxic and entitled for not eating their garbage.
DC Comics is a lost cause at this point. The mistakes they've made over the last four years have been mind-boggling.
It'll never happen. I wish it would, but they just do not care. Jim Lee and his gaggle of editors suffer from "I know better than you because..." syndrome, despite the fact that these people are demanding your money for the hot garbage they produce.
>They're calling out DC's bullshit?! It must be M-M-Marvelgays!
b***h I have never read a marlel comic in my life and never will. I just recognize the truth: DC is an absolute pile of shit and their events are jokes. Only event that DC can do that could possibly work is rebooting their entire universe again and starting over from scratch.
At this point just give Garth Ennis a big event. I'd be more entertained by the Green Lantern getting violently butt fricked than reading another "THE MULTIVERSE IS BACK/GONE!" story.
This but unironically. Bring back Baby Batman and force the Justice League to change his diaper before his Omega Diaper turns the whole universe into shit or whatever.
I remember when they announced Infinite Frontier and they were very clear that this was gonna lead to their next event, but I figured they were gonna do a Morrison/Hickman thing where they wait a few years to build it up and not do another Crisis event almost immediately after the last one just ended.
Am I the only who gives them the benefit of the doubt and thinks they always meant to change the title halfway through? Changing a title to fit revealed information is a kino trope.
Dark Crisis never shied away from being a COIE sequel. The very first scene mirrors COIE's first scene.
Yeah, from context cues it is pretty obviously a move planned in advance. I wouldn't say it's a good move because no one that wasn't buying it is going to be swayed by it, but thinking they didn't originally plan to eventually reveal this is just moronic cynism.
Yeah, but Didio was gonna reboot everything instead of deboot like Johns wanted. So everyone shat on the 5G reboot. So to un-frick that that idea they had to make Death Metal to justify/recycle the 5G shit to just be a semi-canon 2 month event which became Future State. But by establishing an omniverese instead of debooting the multiverse. They intentionally made things more Marvel-esque which fundamentally doesn't work for DC stuff. Now the canon is in the shitter and all the ANAD Marvel writers that came over UBER-fricked the canon. Also by giving to much power to Bendis, Taylor and King REALLY didn't help anything either. At this point DC is just beating a dead horse.
>Crisis
It's not a fricking crisis, it's just a mere Summer event. (For the frick's sake, issue three will feature a "training day" with Black Adam. I'm out.)
This is sad. I'm sad. Buying and reading omnibuses like Gotham Central, The Question, Swamp Thing, Hellblazer, Death Of Superman, and so on ... I miss good comics
Just stop trying already. You can rebrand and rename your substance devoid, meaningless, rehash "comic" as many times as you want, and it will still suck, and your company is still going to be on life support until it's inevitable death.
Stop trying. Restructure. Hire better talent, come up with a better way to distribute the product, or better yet, change the format of the product to more easily overtake the competition (manga). Find out where their strengths lie, where yours could be, and leverage that shit. Make an effort to purify the american comic industry's bloodline, as it's become more incestuous than the fricking Habsbourgs, and that led to shit like this. Get new people and let more of them prove themselves more easily. Diversify. Look at italian comics and how many genres you could find there. Bring existing nerdy fictional universes like Star Wars, Warhammer, Battletech, D&D, etc., into comics and get fans that way. Experiment with different genres.
There's so much common sense shit that could be done, yet you refuse, convincing me of your deliberate self sabotage. Frick you DC. You don't deserve success at this point.
No, twenty more reboots work fine. The average normie will see Batman #1 and immediately buy it. They don't complain that constant reboots make the series harder to read at all!
This. Shit like this is the reason that manga is overtaking the Big 2 in sales: People are tired of big crisis events that don't actually mean anything and DC clearly doesn't have the ability to tell a STORY that isn't reliant on cosmic entities having fistfights with the Justice League.
There's no point in adding "on Infinite Earths" other than trick people wanting to read the original Crisis to find this book instead while looking for it on Amazon.
In the context doofus. It was the countdown to an event.
But keep being in denial and continue to think that it was a planned ingenious move by DC, and not at all a desperate change to compensate for the perpetual downfall of the company.
I'm going to be so fricking gleeful when they finally discontinue their publications, because that's what you shills deserve.
I swear I read the title Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths on a DC website or press release way before this weekend, like when it was first announced. Im pretty sure this has been the plan from the jump, not a rebrand from flatlining sales or whatever
It seems equally plausible to me that this is a bad sales gimmick, or a deliberate attempt to be clever in marketing. It seems to be selling fine tho. Do they actually expect competition from AXE? Nobody likes when Marvel takes a dump on everyone's pull list with events
>DC retcons everything!
I will only read Superman again if DC brings back the real Superman, this current generation exactly this week has seen the power of the strongest character in comics and manga Saitama, so it would be good if DC brings back the silver age Superman, I like Byrne but his Superman has proven to be a failure, it did not work, it never worked.
It's interesting that in the 80s, they took away Superman's power because they thought he was too strong and now we have Saitama and Goku and the fun is in them getting stronger and stronger, does Jim Lee really understand the market today and what the readers consume today? Because Superman comic book sells like shit
The most popular superhero manga is aping decades worth of DC and Marvel comics, but with a shit shounen twist to it. All of it can fricking go. I'm sick of capeshit.
Is there a universe with straight white characters?
Yes. DC vs Vampires
I like how even the news sites aren't buying DC's bullshit that it was "always" going to be this title
I mean the title change doesn't do much, the conctent of the event was pretty much CoiE again with Pariah and the Anti-Monitor around anyway
Which is the new name?
Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths
Dark Infinite on Crisis Earths
Dark Crisis sounded fine. Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths sounds bloated.
God this would've been so much more fitting for the events about the fricking DARK Multiverse
Crisis in infinite blearths
Crisis on Infinite Darkness
Crisis on the diminishing returns.
Crisis on Infinite Earths II: Dark Boogaloo
dark poeple on all earths featuring gay superman
Dark Crisis: The Search For More Infinite Earths
Ultimatum
Crisis of the Ultimatum within Infinite Worlds of 52.
Crisis of the Diminishing Revenue Streams.
Infinite darkness on earth crisis. Just likeIRL
Night of the Dawn of Infinite Zero Secret X Age of Crisis. Or just plain "we're out of ideas".
Creativity Crisis
Boku no Crisis In Infinite Boypucci
Black person Crisis.
Infinite Final Secret Crisis of Wars on Infinite Earths at Zero Hour's Flashpoint
Has anyone at DC come down from Mount Olymus and talked to the fans on the street on what they want? Hint, it's not
- BENIS lore
- aged-up Jon
- all our heroes dead
- evil Superman edition #42243
- Tom - King & Taylor
The fans on the street love cookie cutter snarky MCU stuff and edgelord stuff with people getting brutalized like The Boys, Invincible, and that one scene from Dr Strange 2.
Yeaaah but that's not the people buying the DC comics. When DC's tried hard to lean into the edgy or le quirky, they've pretty much tanked most of what they've got except for the bazillion Bat books.
Who's the people buying DC? I mean other than batwankers?
What do Disney Tv Shows and movies have to do with what comics readers want from DC’s comics?
>MUH BATMAN
>MUH BATMAN
>MUH BATMAN
>ONE BAD COMIC AND YOU'RE TARNISHED FOR LIFE
>MUH BATMAN REEEEEEEEEEEE
Supergirl, Strange Adventures, and Human Target are good and have very little to do with how moronic Dark Crisis is or any of the other clusterfricks like the Mary Marvel sexual assault comic.
>Supergirl, Strange Adventures, and Human Target are good
They're not.
have a nice day Tom
>Supergirl, Strange Adventures, and Human Target are good
ehehehe... ahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Tom King is essentially how Byrne views Morrison and Moore, but accurate
>I get no sense from Morrison’s work that he has any “love for the genre.” I get the same vibe I get from Moore—a cold and calculated mixing of ingredients the writer knows the fans like, but to which the writer himself has no viceral connection. Nostalgia without being nostalgic, as I have dubbed it.
That's kinda how I feel about most Brit writers. There's a very INTJ or ISTJ vibe to it, but not much heart or "visceral connection" as Byrne said.
>There's a very INTJ or ISTJ vibe to it
>There's a very INTJ or ISTJ vibe to it
There's a very "gullible to shitty personality tests" vibe to this post.
What disappointingly stupid take from him. Sounds like he's barely even read anything by Morrison. All-Star Superman alone is like the biggest love letter to superhero I've ever come across.
Supergirl is barely passable in that it does not ruin any character. At the end of the day, it is just another Supergirl adventure. I can think of better Supergirl stories I'd rather read. But it is readable and enjoyable, I suppose.
Both Strange Adventures and Human Target are pure character assassination pieces. Get lost.
>Supergirl, Strange Adventures, and Human Target are good
Frick no. And neither is Vision.
The only semi-decent one out of those was Supergirl and even then you have to waddle through the mud that is King's pity party through half of each issue.
Strange adventures was garbage and I don't say that lightly.
These evil elitist sacks of shit don't care about the fans. They're not grateful for all the money you've given them. They will scream that you are toxic and entitled for not eating their garbage.
>the money you've given them
?
bad news
DC Comics is a lost cause at this point. The mistakes they've made over the last four years have been mind-boggling.
It'll never happen. I wish it would, but they just do not care. Jim Lee and his gaggle of editors suffer from "I know better than you because..." syndrome, despite the fact that these people are demanding your money for the hot garbage they produce.
>- aged-up Jon
kek you pedos still seething about this
You act like this is new. They've literally rebooted the series 5 times now.
But they never rebooted the reboot mid-reboot before.
>Marvelgays acting like a retitle is a reboot
>Marvelgays acting like they don't have constant piecemeal reboots
>DCtrannies unironically incentives DC to make terrible decisions by supporting their shitty ideas.
>by supporting their shitty ideas
How are fans supporting their shitty ideas if sales are in the toilet hence the retitle of the event?
DCtrannies are different from normal fans.
>They're calling out DC's bullshit?! It must be M-M-Marvelgays!
b***h I have never read a marlel comic in my life and never will. I just recognize the truth: DC is an absolute pile of shit and their events are jokes. Only event that DC can do that could possibly work is rebooting their entire universe again and starting over from scratch.
>immediatly moves the discussion to Marvel
Classic pajeet move. Get new material.
I honestly don't even care at this point. DC is just a pile of recyclable trash.
Dark Final Infinite Identity Crisis on Rebirth of Death Metal Infinite Earths.
Countdown Clock to the Flashpoint of the Dark Final Infinite Identity Crisis on Rebirth of Death Metal Infinite Earths!
At this point just give Garth Ennis a big event. I'd be more entertained by the Green Lantern getting violently butt fricked than reading another "THE MULTIVERSE IS BACK/GONE!" story.
I'm certain they'll adapt Twilight of the Superheroes as soon as Alan Moore dies.
Christ, that's a morbid thought.
It was theorized that N52 was an attempt.
making New 52 Capt. Marvel/Shazam an butthole jerk was fricking moronic
There was something really punchable about his face.
This but unironically. Bring back Baby Batman and force the Justice League to change his diaper before his Omega Diaper turns the whole universe into shit or whatever.
I remember when they announced Infinite Frontier and they were very clear that this was gonna lead to their next event, but I figured they were gonna do a Morrison/Hickman thing where they wait a few years to build it up and not do another Crisis event almost immediately after the last one just ended.
Am I the only who gives them the benefit of the doubt and thinks they always meant to change the title halfway through? Changing a title to fit revealed information is a kino trope.
Dark Crisis never shied away from being a COIE sequel. The very first scene mirrors COIE's first scene.
Nah, as do I.
I guess this will be the part where it spills from just Prime Earth or whatever into the rest of the Multiverse.
Yeah, from context cues it is pretty obviously a move planned in advance. I wouldn't say it's a good move because no one that wasn't buying it is going to be swayed by it, but thinking they didn't originally plan to eventually reveal this is just moronic cynism.
Wasn´t Doomsday Clock the one to fix everything but went with the Metal series?
Yeah, but Didio was gonna reboot everything instead of deboot like Johns wanted. So everyone shat on the 5G reboot. So to un-frick that that idea they had to make Death Metal to justify/recycle the 5G shit to just be a semi-canon 2 month event which became Future State. But by establishing an omniverese instead of debooting the multiverse. They intentionally made things more Marvel-esque which fundamentally doesn't work for DC stuff. Now the canon is in the shitter and all the ANAD Marvel writers that came over UBER-fricked the canon. Also by giving to much power to Bendis, Taylor and King REALLY didn't help anything either. At this point DC is just beating a dead horse.
There's already a thread
Learn to use the catalogue newbie
Do they honesty think this is the kind for thing people like to read?
It has to since it's selling well apparently.
so does this mean superman will be clark kent again and not his gayass son?
Technically he's Superman right now in Action Comics.
But I also suspect he'll have the main Superman book back too very soon.
get ready for sudden big change up in the big 2, when the shit sites start pocking at it, you know the bubble is about to burst in slow motion.
>he doesnt know
all the bigs are in Marvel anon
>Crisis
It's not a fricking crisis, it's just a mere Summer event. (For the frick's sake, issue three will feature a "training day" with Black Adam. I'm out.)
This is sad. I'm sad. Buying and reading omnibuses like Gotham Central, The Question, Swamp Thing, Hellblazer, Death Of Superman, and so on ... I miss good comics
A good way to send them a message is to stop buying those overprices omnibuses, and stop supporting them until they get better.
B-but muh nostalgia
Just pirate then, everyone is doing it.
I'm just going to repost, for posterity.
Just stop trying already. You can rebrand and rename your substance devoid, meaningless, rehash "comic" as many times as you want, and it will still suck, and your company is still going to be on life support until it's inevitable death.
Stop trying. Restructure. Hire better talent, come up with a better way to distribute the product, or better yet, change the format of the product to more easily overtake the competition (manga). Find out where their strengths lie, where yours could be, and leverage that shit. Make an effort to purify the american comic industry's bloodline, as it's become more incestuous than the fricking Habsbourgs, and that led to shit like this. Get new people and let more of them prove themselves more easily. Diversify. Look at italian comics and how many genres you could find there. Bring existing nerdy fictional universes like Star Wars, Warhammer, Battletech, D&D, etc., into comics and get fans that way. Experiment with different genres.
There's so much common sense shit that could be done, yet you refuse, convincing me of your deliberate self sabotage. Frick you DC. You don't deserve success at this point.
Shut up, homosexual.
No
No, twenty more reboots work fine. The average normie will see Batman #1 and immediately buy it. They don't complain that constant reboots make the series harder to read at all!
This. Shit like this is the reason that manga is overtaking the Big 2 in sales: People are tired of big crisis events that don't actually mean anything and DC clearly doesn't have the ability to tell a STORY that isn't reliant on cosmic entities having fistfights with the Justice League.
>Star Wars, Warhammer, Battletech, D&D
3/4 of those already have comics already.
Dark : Turns out the only crisis was the friends we made along the way.
At least we might get a new Harbinger figure out of this.
You know, this event is dogshit but at least it's boring, trite dogshit and there is no Batkek.
Okay, there was Lady Batkek for a brief while but she didn't overstay her welcome and was like 75% less hypercompetant.
Countdown became Countdown to Final Crisis mid-way through. It was trash, but for those saying this hasn't ever been done before, you're wrong.
Because Countdown itself isn't a complete title.
But Dark Crisis is a complete title.
There's no point in adding "on Infinite Earths" other than trick people wanting to read the original Crisis to find this book instead while looking for it on Amazon.
>Countdown itself isn't a complete title
what is this levels of fricking cope?
In the context doofus. It was the countdown to an event.
But keep being in denial and continue to think that it was a planned ingenious move by DC, and not at all a desperate change to compensate for the perpetual downfall of the company.
I'm going to be so fricking gleeful when they finally discontinue their publications, because that's what you shills deserve.
>It was the countdown to an event.
Being a homage to Zero Hour. The book didn't end at Issue 1 you moron.
>There's no point in adding "to Final Crisis" other than trick people wanting to read the original Crisis
FTFY
At this point is there even a reason to be invested in the dc universe?
They literally don't know what they're doing lmao
I swear I read the title Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths on a DC website or press release way before this weekend, like when it was first announced. Im pretty sure this has been the plan from the jump, not a rebrand from flatlining sales or whatever
Then why even advertise this as the Dark Crisis?
It seems equally plausible to me that this is a bad sales gimmick, or a deliberate attempt to be clever in marketing. It seems to be selling fine tho. Do they actually expect competition from AXE? Nobody likes when Marvel takes a dump on everyone's pull list with events
>DC retcons everything!
I will only read Superman again if DC brings back the real Superman, this current generation exactly this week has seen the power of the strongest character in comics and manga Saitama, so it would be good if DC brings back the silver age Superman, I like Byrne but his Superman has proven to be a failure, it did not work, it never worked.
>I like Byrne but his
Byrne has been retired for 10 years...
And remains more relevant than anyone working at DC and Marvel today, but his Superman was his worst work
It's interesting that in the 80s, they took away Superman's power because they thought he was too strong and now we have Saitama and Goku and the fun is in them getting stronger and stronger, does Jim Lee really understand the market today and what the readers consume today? Because Superman comic book sells like shit
Batman is DC's flagship title and he's the weakest.
I'm talking about selling 90,100, 300,000 and 1 million per month like some manga, not 30,000 like Batman
Then you need good writers and good writers need to be paid well.
Manga industry pays well.
No writer are going to give away their million dollar ideas for a $300 freelancing deal.
>does Jim Lee really understand the market today and what the readers consume today?
I think he's too busy sketching to pay attention to anything else.
So was Anti-Monitor influenced by The Darkness, Perpetua, Barbatos, or by himself? Make up your minds!
He's a Monitor, or half of one, so like a Beyonder his backstory changes depending on the observer
Ha
wow i still don't give a shit.
We've really gone as far as we can with superhero comics. There's nothing original to tell anymore.
>We've really gone as far as we can with superhero comics. There's nothing original to tell anymore.
Manga proves this wrong.
The most popular superhero manga is aping decades worth of DC and Marvel comics, but with a shit shounen twist to it. All of it can fricking go. I'm sick of capeshit.
not canon
Someone redpill me on the multiverse since the first appearance of Kekman and the Batman League.
Why not let these old heroes die permanently?
Because the company will die.
heh