Next fight is Silver Surfer vs Martian Manhunter on Aug 28.
Sources to be used:
http://ulltraguy.blogspot.com/2023/08/suggested-media-martian-manhunter.html
http://ulltraguy.blogspot.com/2023/08/suggested-media-silver-surfer.html
Speedy can't fight his own battles.
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Listtroon pushes FF1 WoL when in fact FF14 WoL is a better MU for Goku
>Both sought adventure
>Both are quick skillful learners
>Both have ill defined asspull powers that allow them to do whatever they want (Dynamis and UI)
And they can even end it on a Spirit Bomb Clash.
Will Naruto vs Luffy draw dimes?
With their booking skills, I’d sooner expect Luffy vs Kamala and Naruto vs Luke Skywalker than something people actually asked for.
But there's a lot of demand for Natuto vs Luke, especially after the other Star Wars vs Naruto episodes did well. Besides, they can do both Naruto vs Luke and Naruto vs Luffy.
Not as much demand. Obito vs Vader was a mainstay and the only reason jt’s wasn’t Kakashi vs Gojo was due to not much of an understanding of Gojo’s limitations back then
nobody even asked for Naruto vs. Luffy, people were expecting Luffy vs. Plastic Man
Why lie? I like Plas but Naruto vs Luffy is the far more requested fight.
No one gives a frick about plastic man
I rather have Luffy fight him than Naruto. Their characters have a better theme and it would give us a nice west vs east theme too.
>Plas
>not Reed
What rock have you been living under? Naruto vs Luffy is an old school weeb rivalry before the HST was even born. If there was any stretchy guy fight that's requested it was Reed vs Luffy considering that Reed has been in the contemporary spotlight longer than Plas has. Don't get your view on what's popular from Reddit and Discord trannies.
EVERYbody asked for Naruto vs Luffy. Plastic Man is only for DCgays who can wank one fight he couldn’t even win
Both matches end up with Luffy losing lol. At least one of them is funny.
Actually Cast had Luffy stomping Baryon Mode
stomping? the match required a tie breaker
Which Luffy won
I know you're refreshing like mad so let me tell you this, it's a clean L for Luffy.
At least Plasticman vs Luffy would be funny.
Luffy has more than just rubber powers tho. He wins
What exactly can Luffy do that Sasuke's rinnegan doesn't do better?
Sasuke can’t see the future. It can predict physical movements by reading muscles like Cassandra Cain
Observation Haki is seeing what actually happens ahead of time
Seeing the future is helpless when you die in it.
Luffy just wins how Sanji won. Considering Baryon Mode dies fast
>Considering Baryon Mode dies fast
You're talking to someone that actually knows this series in here.
No, Baryon didn't die fast, it require him to make contact with Isshiki a lot of times for such to happen. That was when he was expending most of his energy and that was at the same time he was sharing his energy on the clock with Kawaki, who was in a different planet.
Luffy can't expend this guy just running around.
>No, Baryon didn't die fast, it require him to make contact with Isshiki a lot of times for such to happen. That was when he was expending most of his energy and that was at the same time he was sharing his energy on the clock with Kawaki, who was in a different planet.
Actually by nature, Baryon Mode does not last long. It’s why Kurama had to explicitly tell Naruto not to make any superfluous moves to make it last as long as possible
Prove me wrong and I'll reply to you. Otherwise I'm going to do like Baryon mode and avoid superfluous moves.
>He admits that Baryon Mode needs to avoid superfluous moves due to the low stamina.
Lasted less than 10 minutes
>Lasted less than 10 minutes
Doing what during those 10 minutes?
Dying.
It’s metaphorical
>Dying.
Sapping Isshiki's lifespan. So you're telling me, not doing anything makes him waste as much energy as sapping the energy of Isshiki? Doesn't really add up.
Yes.
Technically that was just a side effect of his own life drain. Like it will still happen regardless, they can just take advantage of a downside by happenstance. I forget if they had Haki be one to one with Chakra on the Cast so it may not even life shave
I need to ask. What reason would a continental character would have to push a planetary level character to use this?
Internal damage to Naruto’s organs past his chakra.
wut
You mean like this?
Never shown any resistance towards it plus Luffy is faster. I do think it came up like once? I don’t remember happening much
That's sage mode energy. Madara has it too.
That's far more internal damage than you've seen Luffy dish out to anyone.
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Nardo just regens everything
>Hole in leg equals regen everything
Not really
Luffy doesn't have the AP to make his whole energy run through Naruto's body. Not even if this shit base Naruto vs Gear 5.
Eh he already does judging by the calcs and cast that have them both at planetary
Clearly
Luffy doesn't have calcs to go to planetary. The best calcs he has to put him to continental level have to assume Kaido is 2kms wide, which isn't even the case.
Whitebeard scaling
No, just shut the frick up. That's how you get universe level Naruto.
Kaido is smaller than manda.
Swan says universe creating isn’t a feat so no
See? If I stop replying to you the quality of the thread improves.
Island level
>winning by causing internal damage to Naruto
...
That’s just regular stabbing
What do you think internal damage means
>Baryon Mode
Does this have anything to do with Baryon Particles?
What do those do anyways?
Vaguely. It's like using plasma breath attacks and naming it "Sun Beam", technically connected but obviously not the same intensity as the sun. Baryon Mode is essentially just burning through your entire chakra supply like a star but it's far from actual nuclear fusion. Otherwise Naruto should be growing iron lumps all around his body.
NTA, but there’s a difference between “dying fast” and avoiding moves that’ll drain you quicker. A battery that lasts only for five minutes regardless of what you do is not the same as a battery that’ll last up to ten minutes if you put less strain on it.
He doesnt even have to just play keepaway. His new ability can allow him to smack around baryon mode without risking himself
>I know you're refreshing like mad so let me tell you this, it's a clean L for Luffy.
Well they had Luffy win so no
>plasgay is a narutogay DODGING THE SMOKE
Just admit you want Luffy vs Kamala already
Star wars vs naruto is fricking cringe, frick those novels too by the way
It's the biggest Shonen rivalry period. It's in essence another East vs West though in an odd way in which Naruto is by and large WAY more popular in the US than the rest of the world, whereas One Piece was at a point Japan's Bible which is odd considering Naruto is Japan down to actually being one of the literal handful of series that reference Shinto religion while One Piece is a highly westernized series in comparison.
One Piece's less popular presence in the West is almost entirely to blame on 4kids completely fricking up Western perception to the point it's damn near beyond repair. The Funimation dub didn't exactly do it any favors either.
And I don't think the Netflix show will exactly do it any favors, but unless it's egregiously bad it probably won't make things any worse.
Oh I'm well aware of One Piece's disastrous life on western Television both on 4Kids and even on Toonami, I was never confused why OP was unpopular just more how popular Naruto is in the west despite being egregiously Japanese to the point of exonerating War Criminals.
I think the West in more willing to just go
>ninjas cool
Which the initial appeal of Naruto at the start was just ninjas doing ninja stuff mostly. Meanwhile people don't really have a
>pirates cool
Mentality. At least not to such a degree as with ninjas. And OP immediately sets itself up as being more than just pirates with devil fruit stuff, so it's less recognizable than just 'ninjas doing ninja magic' as it was with early Naruto.
I don't think English speaking anime fans really appreciated lighthearted and cartoony anime much back then anyways. Even getting DBZ fans to watch regular DB was like pulling teeth even though they are one story.
Europe and the rest of the Americas didn't had the 4kids version iirc. In my country we had both the japanese and the native language one and One Piece was still not nearly as popular as Bleach and Naruto, despite both of these only starting airing years later.
I legit only recal Naruto airing in 2006 because I recal having this conversation with my cousin when we were on our way to buy Halo 2. I had to go to Fnac stores and order Naruto there because they were also not readily avaliable either as it is now.
And then the popularity blew up and Blerach and Naruto became the core or weebdom. I would see everyone wearing Urahara's hats, ninja headbands and what takes but almost nothing from One Piece. I think the show is far more popular now than it was back then.
From what I've seen, One Piece does have it's fanbases in other countries. Like I see a lot of French stuff for One Piece video games. Not exactly much but I feel like I see it more than English stuff anyways.
I think what
said is pretty true too. One Piece is overtly very Western and cartoonish in it's beginnings, and it does start of fairly slow until Arlong Park. I think for 2000s weebs trying to distance themselves from Western cartoons, Bleach and Naruto were more appealing as they just feel more Japanese by default. Character designs overall probably played a part too.
Yes, it's annedoctal from me but I remember reading that One Piece, even back then was massive in France. France was always the bastion of manga in the west, and it still is today.
I probably came across One Piece books in French before Viz started publishing them here in English.
It's pretty fricked up that in Fnac chain stores, the French manga has completelly disappeared. It used to be the only thing avaliable there, at least in my country. It sucks because the books were smaller than the chunky shit Viz sells and they had double covers.
Pic related. Perhaps this is the reason France's manga scene is so much better, their far better at downsizing their books.
>France, known pedophile country, likes works from Japan, also known pedophile country
What a shocker.
I'm guessing here that OP being popular in France has something to do with Asterix.
I think One Piece started picking up in popularity after Naruto and Bleach ended. I assume people wanted a new shonen.
This has worse animation than The Cobbler and the Thief.
What doesn't
In regards to Luffy’s other opponents yes. Natsu and Plastic Man can’t draw shit and Gear 5 vs Baryon Mode is getting popular
Hahaha no. It’s been expected since Naruto vs Ichigo ended with Luffy provoking Naruto
Naruto had to have his bones pancaked between two massive cubes to even consider using baryon mode. Luffy can't push Naruto to that point and thinking he does is pure fanfiction.
Pre Timeskip Luffy level. Those cubes were not have heavy
If Naruto can't lift them then they're planetary level and way above building level, I would say.
Considering we saw them only make a small dust cloud, no. They’re not heavy.
I would be all to use this logic for everything. Oh what's that, Wonder Woman struggled to lift a bridge? Hmkay, not planet level even. Case closed.
These debates would be fricking kino if we actually took into account low end feats or environment damage caused by the attacks.
Yes, that bridge isn’t planet level. You can’t make something automatically not heavy. Hinawari isn’t going to be automatically heavier than Kurama if Naruto has trouble lifting her once. You said Naruto needed to be sandwiched by two massive cubes to be pushed Baryon Mode. Ergo Luffy who can easily break free from being sandwiched between two massive buildings can push him into it
Taking all feats into account and making use of some scrutiny would make these things far more interesting instead of the shit we have now where its just wanking to different stronger characters they were near or overblowing them over fickle things they make no sense in context
OH NO
HE’S GOING 3-0
GO GO GODZILLA
Lets have a real battle of the multi-headed dragons and see what happens to Ghidorah
>trying to cuck a long requested legacy match because the verse you don’t like wins
Research team behavior
>muh 'legacy' matchup
Coward, and it isn't
>it isn’t wanted
>on the poll
>on the podcast (twice)
>team has wanted it for years
>”no one wants that they want Tiamat!”
Sure, and luffy vs plas is more wanted than naruto vs luffy, you fricking mongs
It's a slapdash matchup and Tiamat's the better choice. Cowardly kaijushit will cope.
It's a legacy match like Cole vs. Alex, it started gaining a lot of traction around WoW Cataclysm, when Deathwing had just fricked up Azeroth. Now it seems kind of meh, because no one really gives a shit about Deathwing, he's not the BBEG anymore, he's a speedbump while getting to the newer stuff. I'm assuming Dragonflight put him back in the spotlight again, don't know, I haven't played WoW since Pandaria.
more thematic a matchup though
only people who really push for the deathwing matchup are godzilla fans because they want another easy win
>History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man
I think this says it all
What do you mean?
Reminder that Starkiller mogs Travis Cuckedown
Travis is for Viewtiful Joe and no one else (but yes he loses)
OH NO NO NO NO
>staff knowingly make bad decisions for episodes, sometimes flat-out lying and saying "what about it"
>gets criticized on public platform
>can't deal with consequences, sperg out about muh privacy
> STOP CRITICIZING US!!!! THIS IS INVASION OF OUR PRIVACY NOOOOOOO! LET US DO WHATEVER WE WANT, JOIN OUR TROONCORD AND BE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!!!!
i can forgive them for being biased or brainless. but why do they have to be pathetic on top of that?
>saves your season
Any good matchups for Frieza?
Not really, anyone thematically like him gets stomped into oblivion and anyone near his level of power is nothing like him.
My rule of thumb is if you can't find a thematic matchup, stick to shallow yet fun fights. Look for equivalents in its source material's rivals or just find a surface level connection like a similar name or color scheme. The resulting matchup will be much better than forcing a connection with a literal who. That said:
Megatron is his best rn.
Stop spreading this screenshot everywhere, you subhuman incels.
Frick Gamera vs Godzilla. Kong vs Goji is where it's at, Goji's REAL rival.
He’s also stronger than gamera
Proof
OH NO
>Oh, you thought you were voting for the actual matchups between the two poll characters? Actually, we were just putting each pair of characters together to have their own separate MUs. Here’s the REAL matchups:
>Bill vs Flowey
>Discord vs Mr. Mxyzptlk
>Alex vs Carnage
>Cole vs Livewire
You rike it?
Stupid dragon, never post again
>Getting upset at make believe scenarios
Sorry, I’m far too intelligent for that.
Reminder these mfs would solo your favorite verses with no or little difficulty
>Loses to being called a man
KWAB. Try again next week mommy raper.
Piccolo solos Jiren.
Is Death Battle Cast today?
Yes, at 4PM EST
So, uh. How the frick are we supposed to discuss the next fight?
>just go to /-
No, I’m not going to either of those boards
They never banned the word "Discord". Just don't post forbidden pictures.
Censor your p*nys
Don’t post horses
Try not to shitpost too hard or bring attention to the thread.
frick that, could Luffy push Naruto to use kyuubi mode at all?
Doesn’t Luffy massively upscale from Zoro’s meteor slice?
All these characters scale to planet level.
And I agree with you bro. Naruto is Luffy's easiest opponent. And he gets raped hard.
Your life isn't easy
Notes on the latest podcast:
>Guest today is Ify
>Swan arguing for Denji, DJ for Yuji
>DJ's opening statement is that Yuji has better stats and scaling than Denji even if he doesn't have as much in the way of abilities
>Swan's opening statement is that Denji is on par in terms of stats and has more versatility
>Some debate on whether Yuji gets Sukuna, neither Swan or DJ seems to believe it matters
>Swan says regen helps Denji a lot, that Yuji isn't really the main character and isn't the strongest person in his own series, that with Sukuna the fight is debatable but without Sukuna he loses
>DJ says that with Sukuna Yuji is "astronomically" stronger than Denji, but even without he has enough stats to win
>Some talk about background, including Sukuna and Devils, effects of Pochita's eating
>Swan brings up the time Pochita regenerated from throwing his heart back to earth to illustrate his regeneration, DJ argues that Denji's own regeneration isn't as good and that Yuji can directly attack Denji's soul to bypass regeneration, Swan's response is a sort of an unconvincing statement that Denji can just regenerate
>For speed DJ brings up the microsecond Black Flash thing, which he cites as mach 3000 for Yuji's reaction speed, some debate about this point
>For speed Swan uses the Gun Devil feat, which he cites as mach 1500 which he acknowledges as half as fast as Yuji but within the range of keeping up, blitz is 10 times
>New champion's ballot is in the works, only champions can submit, Bill vs Discord is on September 10
>New champion's ballot is in the works, only champions can submit
Last time around, was voting only available to champions?
Yeah it was.
>pay to vote
I figured. Well, I know it's not gonna happen, but it would be nice if things were different for the upcoming poll.
So did anyone mention that the the Gun Devil was at a fraction of its power from when it did its rampage which Denji never fought
or that the fastest cited speed who was blitzing someone even faster than Yuji was capped at mach 3?
No mention of that, no.
No surprise there
>For power DJ brings up the Jogo meteor, which he cites as 682 kilotons of TNT which can be multiplied by a power of 2.5 by Black Flash it goes into the gigaton range, he personally says 66 gigatons, Swan says this is inconsistent with the events of the series and Black Flash is needed for Yuji to even fight Curses and the calculation is misleading, DJ says Yuji is stronger than when the meteor happened, some debate on whether Yuji needs Black Flash to hurt his opponents and the validity of the multiplier
>For power Swan scale Denji to Makima and the Gun Devil, the energy of the Gun Devil's movement during its rampage is in the megatons, DJ's response is that Makima doesn't go full out against Pochita, questions scaling Makima to the Gun Devil because she needed goons to win, Swan's response is Makima can hurt the Darkness Devil and Pochita can survive the attack she used on it
>Some talk about the Yuki's black hole feat
>Swan brings up a conversation with DJ where he says Denji would beat Yuji
>Yuji wins in the tiebreaker 3-2
Why does the Chainsaw Man discussion stop at Part 1? Did they not read Part 2?
They didn't seem to cite anything after part 1.
Yeah, it was always only their paypigs being able to vote.
>Swan says this is inconsistent with the events of the series
Says this after allowing their team to make island level + cotinent level Dimitri.
(Town level guts is also stupid).
Love how if his character isn't winning Swan goes: "Inconsistent".
Rhea survive the Javelin of Light. Dimitri is above Rhea durability wise. Where is the issue
>Dimitri is above Rhea durability wise.
This part, generally.
Dimitri > Edlegard who beat Rhea
Edeltard didn’t fight rhea 1v1. She had Byleth’s help. And she led an army. It’s a tactics game.
>he forgot about raging storm
Even if you wanted to go that way cutscenes dont care, and gameplay says she had a bigger army to begin with.
Rhea has 34 defense, Dimitri caps at 62 and she has 38 res to his 41
Dimitri can be finished of by mere foot soldiers, after tiring out. Are those soldiers island level?
Funny how they speak about inconsistent since one javelin was only capable of destroying part of a castle, not the Tsar bomba level that they claim it to be.
Then they say that only 6 javelins were able to form a canyon? Come on.
(Again Guts being Town level is equally stupid).
Swan says that after making nuke level Dio omegalul.
Don't forget his universal mftl Chosen Undead. You know, the guy who just has a sword and shield, and gets winded running a few hundred yards.
What it comes down to is that he's arguing to win, not to promote a coherent powerscaling model.
Apparently Super Sonic got blue eyes or something. Don't know if it'll be used if he gets another Death Battle.
Huh?
A trailer for Sonic Frontiers DLC released.
Sonic turned into Super Sonic and then he did something else to power up even more.
new ballot today also preview was neat
Who was on it?
https://streamable.com/eujzbl
SNEAK PEEK
Looks great ngl
Kino
This looks cool, like really really cool.
Surfer fought off MMH telpathy, but it took some effort so it isn't like MMH cannot affect his mind later.
I really want to see this shit now.
It's actually a pretty decent matchup, it just happens to be extremely secondary to the participants, who both have multiple primary matchups that are way more fitting and desired.
I know people are gushing over the preview, but it would have been better if it started over Surfer leading Galactus to Mars and MM intervening because even as a ruined planet, it's still his home.
The way it opens here is just weird. Norrin summoned Martian Manhunter? Into Martian Manhunter's mind? Why does J'onn want to pry into Surfer's secrets when he's never kept secrets? Everyone knows he's a herald of Galactus. It's not something he hides. He shows up in the middle of bum frick nowhere aliens go "Hey that's the herald of Galactus!"
Why would Galactus wants Mars if the planet is erased of any life
Because technically he doesn't consume the life on the surface of a planet but the potential life-force of the planet, so even uninhabited worlds can feed him.
And to get even more esoteric, he doesn't even consume planetary life-force, he consumes Celestial eggs burred within the core of certain planets.
Mars would still be able to feed Galactus because what killed the Martians didn't actually destroy its life-force, it just depopulated the planet.
And if you want to go further, pre-Crisis Mars was inhabited and J'onn's race wasn't even dead.
effects look great, sprite movement looks like ASS and has the same issue they had in season 7
I suspect they're going to try too hard and this is going to be really silly.
Maybe I was too harsh on this matchup, this looks cool
I heard they showed another preview of Bill vs Chaos Goat
not really, it's just a date with voices, still the day before 9/11
It’s been like over two decades. According to South Park, 9/11 will be funny this year
Kino kino kino kino
Oops pressed the wrong image
It looks unique, I'll give them that.
What's this a reference to? I''ve seen something like this before.
It's a film noir title card
Well, it's certainly an interesting approach that they're taking with this fight.
>Mind Over Matter
This is absolutely gonna be the title of the battle track.
I sleep
Better than anything Jiren could have offered.
Possible kino
>Character gets bamboozled in the preview alone
Looks like MAH MAN RADD bout to win this
>Chiaroscuro black and white inspired by the Outer Limits and featuring alien superheroes
Ah, I always knew Death Battle liked my comic!
Preview is hard to read. Without the lines, it looks like J'onn tried to trap Norrin in a mind box but Norrin escaped, but with the lines, it seems like Norrin summoned him to the place? And the reverb on MM's voice makes it sound like he's still inside Norrin's mind.
But...why would Norrin summon MM to an office floating out in space? Or inside his mind?
Also.
>One o the most responsible telepaths in fiction, who got on to Aquaman for being reckless with his, wants to pry Surfer's secrets from his cold dead husk
What the actual frick, Death Battle?
Outer Limits and out Film Noir.
They're ultra pussies.
Imagine being so scared of little ol' me that they do this to everyone associated with me.
Not much effort. J'onn seems pretty screwed. There are 3 ways to take this scene:
1. This is to get "MM uses telepathy" out of the way.
2. Surfer didn't escape the mind box, he only thought he did (wayyyy too cool for DB to do).
3. J'onn uses the maha later on and wins.
I'm thinking it's 1.
Yeah. All signs point to MM ending up like Spoony's dog--an oreo and dead.
Given how hard they're pushing MM wanting to see all of Norrin's secrets, I'm guessing he's going to glimpse memories of Galactus and go AHHHHHHHHHH, which is gay for several reasons.
1. Norrin being a herald of Galactus is public knowledge, literally everyone in 616 knows about it because The Coming of Galactus was on television. Like 616 kids learn about it in history class.
2.Fernus J'onn wouldn't give a frick and would think it's funny.
3. J'onn has been bound to the Wrath of God and stalemated him. There is no fricking way memories of Galactus busts him when a being constantly feeling the combined sins of the universe doesn't.
They're going to make bad memories of Galactus >>>>> The Phoenix Force.
I just figured the secret would involve other Death Battles for a shared verse thing like hinted at with Gwen showing up in the Batcave
Naw, that's way too cool for DB.
It's going to be Galactus, even though "public knowledge" has been a rule of DB for the longest, so J'onn should know damn good and well what's inside Norrin's mind. Galactus is going to pop up like Eternity in Palmer vs Pym and J'onn is going to AHHHHHHHHHH before being turned into Spoony's dog.
Is that it? I mean, maybeeeee, but given how he tries a telepathic attack, Norrin shrugs it off, he runs outside and the colors return, it seems more like J'onn tried to mind box him and Norrin resisted.
It would be weird if Norrin invited J'onn into his mind...for J'onn to then telepathically attack him.
I thought J’onn had his mindscape invaded by Surfer
>Ah, I always knew Death Battle liked my comic!
>Imagine being so scared of little ol' me that they do this to everyone associated with me.
What are the odds Death Battle is deliberately booking fights that we hate?
What are some fights they've done that this place hates? and I mean hate before they're actually booked, like no one hated Misaka vs Killua because no one thought about that fight.
No one was particularly happy about CU vs Dragonborn and Dio vs Alucard
Dragonborn vs Chosen? No, only a select few loud doomies were complaining. Don’t try to rewrite history now.
If we're talking these threads? Hell yeah the reception wasn't great
Two incredibly popular matches?
People were fine with the resukt of CU VS Dragonborn. They hated the disgusting levels of swank it went with universe busting mftl CU that has instant unstoppable reviving and actual multiverse busting dragonborn
Guts vs Dimitri
Raiden vs Excalibur
Bond vs Wick
Spongebob vs Aquaman
You guys hate everything
I doubt these threads matter enough to influence their decision making, even if it's out of spite.
I think that had more to do with the fear that Swan was going to relentlessly wank his favorites rather than the matchups themselves.
Very low, since I've been a Silver Surfergay since I was a preteen and he's about to kill a JL member.
Mayavana, a 1-time use Martian telepathic technique which Black Mercy's the target, even if they're a high-level telepath like Despero. An alt universe J'onn recently used it on Marvin the Martian of all people.
No no no, the silver skin is actually an exoskin. Norrin can, and has, turned it off to pass as a normal Zenn-Lavian.
Oh, that. Norrin already endured reality warping so I doubt it'll be a winning condition
It's not reality warping, its a telepathic technique.
That warps reality
>J'onn uses the maha
Huh?
I think the setup is supposed to add to the "mystery", they're both there for reasons unknown accusing the other, with MMH making it hostile. As for the echo thing, he's probably just using telepathy to talk to him outside the box because 1: he's far away and 2: they're in space.
Welp, that settles it, right there.
Norrin's getting FETUS'D
I want to believe anon, but how do you figure? Fight seems to be setting up J'onn going AHHHHHHH at a Galactus memory.
Galactus culo
I kind of figured that would be the play. Jonn had a hard time against Joker and Black Adam before because they were too monstrous, they haven't done a tenth of what Galactus did while Norrin was his Herald.
>Jonn had a hard time against Joker and Black Adam before because they were too monstrous
Everyone always brings these up but also forget pic related and that J'onn turned Joker sane for a while.
This all comes down to what matters more, his jobbings or his feats?
Don't forget J'onn telepathically stared down Mageddon, which is just pure death and destruction on the supercosmic level.
Galactus chowing on planets is nothing.
This did nothing to BA. J'onn in the previous page said he "couldn't bear" what he saw in Black Adam's mindscape which is exponentially less shocking than Norrin's memories and guilt
I'm once again asking, what matters more, his jobbings or his feats?
And I'm being genuine lol, I don't watch Death Battle regularly.
Feats, generally. Unless DB want to screw a character over.
In Death Battle? High ends matter more than low ends depending on the character. I don't know if they'd give Rhino the feat of punching Nova into orbit for example.
Incalculable high ends seem to matter more than calculable high ends too
>previous page
Yeah, he's bearing it just fine.
J'onn isn't getting 'ahhh'd by a Galactus memory. What a silly idea. J'onn made a Galactus-tier cosmic 'ahhh' in JLA/Avengers, and beat Darkseid single-handed. Galactus is frick-all.
Meanwhile, the fight appears to be taking place wholly in someone's (Norrin's) mindscape. It's a strong precursor to a FETUSing.
J'onn couldn't even touch Grandmaster and Uatu's minds
>Mind over Matter
>Surfer running when Manhunter tries reading his mind once
Yeah, this is going to be another DC win. Did like the black and white noir style and 50s-sci fi style titlecard though but thats about it.
>Yeah, this is going to be another DC win.
DC is going to win 4/5 matches anyway because the research team is biased.
Better than than what I expected. In fact way better than raven vs jean.
it's going to be space kino
I hope, REALLY hope we have an AAAAARRGHHH! by J'onn
>pay for membership
>want to listen to the cast and submit matches for the ballot banter and whatnot
>former goes off without a hitch
>get emailed a link to the DB discord
>this link is expired or invalid
Imagine blacklisting people because they’re on a server you don’t like, holy frick lol
There's a whole process I think linked somewhere to link your Youtube and Discord IDs. Maybe make a new Discord ID?
That’s not working either
Try making a new ID I guess. Or contact their mods or something.
I just figured it out, they personally banned me years ago without warning because I was on a server they are on bad terms with. I never even posted anything there.
Goddamn why are the mods there such sensitive children?
the server hasn't existed for more than a year, it's just an invalid link
Make a new ID
>Paying
>He didn’t just wait in the stream to get gifted a membership for free
Lol.
Hmm. How far in advance do they make those podcast waiting rooms? We could try getting more people from here onto the server. I think your account has to be non-branded and also you have to check an option that allows you to get gifted memberships.
Like, a multitude of days in advance. And the streams go on for an hour+, so someone here’s bound to get a membership at some point. Hell I got two already.
New Therewolf track. Be warned it's RWBY vs Overwatch.
The only great hero they have added to Overwatch since Doomfist? Nice.
"AND THIS IS TO GO FURTHER BEYOND"
SUPER SONIC
2
thoughts?
>Sonic goes Super Sonic 2
Already more memorable than Gear 5
>still this mindbroken and rent free.
Gear 5 Luffy OWNS you, namegay.
>OWNS you
Jobs to Naruto
Can't wait for this to only appear in Frontiers and never get referenced ever again
Base Mario still can win high diff. White Tanooki Raccoon Mario equipped with the Wonder Flower will still solo.
No need for the other hax powerups like the Gold Flower with coin transmutation.
are you really allowed to combine power-ups from different games?
>White Tanooki Raccoon Mario equipped with the Wonder Flower
What
(And yes, I'm using RPG scaling for Base Mario. Galaxy Base form Super Mario is strong but not near or + above multiversal tier, unless you count moving in Tick Tock Clock while time was stopped as incalculable speed, or use the Star Child lore to the maximum; even so, he's about universal level, Mainline Mario could be much higher if you hypothetically give him all of his mainline game collectables like SMB Grand Stars, Power Stars, Shine Sprites, Moons, etc [for example Bowser was able to create entire dimensions inside the paintings with 1 power star in sm64, now give Mario 120 of the Power Stars he collects, or 150 if you include SM64DS DS, and you got a immensely powerful paisano])
You can stack Mario bros. power-ups in your pockets for later use since forever now. I guess we'll have to see if the Reality bending Wonder Flower negates your previous powerup when the SMBW game comes out, don't see that happening though, I have a feeling we'll see a distorted fire Mario.
Also Bottomless Gloves allows Mario to store/use powerups infinitely.
(Putting a powerscaling name on temporarily because I saw some other /dbg/ anons do it last month for other verse characters and I think that's fun)
Also the fact a single Grand Star caused an entire universe to collapse on itself before Rosalina and the Lumas reset it, and Mario collects dozens of these Grand Stars.
only the Lumas reset it, Rosalina just shielded Mario from the Big Bang
Mario's strength is wacky since it's confirmed that mainline mario, rpg mario and even party mario are all the same guy so any feat really is fair game
So they're all the same paid actor?
Mario caps at wall level
>Mario caps at wall level becaus-
ACK.
Wall level weakpoints
Didn't even kill the dragon
Defeating = you scale to the opponent.
You don't need to vaporize someone to scale to them, no one every does vs battles that way in feats.
Also not reading anymore of your braindead downplay, but Mario defeated a Building level ape in literally his first appearance (Jumpman vs Donkey Kong Arcade)
>no one ever does vs battles that way with feats
typo*****
No, moron, because Mario didn't take on the dragon head on, he hit the weakpoints
That makes zero sense, are you a first time debator?
Mario literally defeats the ruined dragon.
Are you trying to downplay every videogame boss fight in history with this braindead "weakpoints" logic?
I'm not downplaying everyone in vidya history, I'm saying Mario thwacking weak points does not make him building level
If the Hulk had a tiny red spot in the back of his head that instantly killed him if punched there, and I did so, would that make me Hulk levels of strong?
>I'm not downplaying everyone in vidya history,
yes you are.
Plus:
>Also Mario literally tanks the ruined dragon's lightning breath before the boss fight. You dumb secondary, play the games.
Adress the post's main point
If you had the speed and the power to actually reach the hulk there without him retaliating, fighting back, or noticing you, then yes, you would scale to the Hulk.
It also clearly hits Mario idiot
No, why the frick would I have Hulk level AP and durability for touching his instakill spot while he's looking elsewhere????
You are a moron.
In an honest battle how would you reach that weakspot against Hulk.
>"I'd get oneshotted before even THINKING about reaching it"
So you prove my point.
By shooting him from behind while he's looking elsewhere? Do you unironically believe I have star level gunshots now?
So now you're nerfing Hulk to gun level for your moronic point to work? You see the fallacy here? He'd react to that dodge and kill you.
I'm talking about shooting him in this hypothetical weakspot, brainlet.
Drill it into your head.
Nope, you said you vs the Hulk
Hulk is at full power here, you're not reaching a hypothetical weakspot because you're human level. You'd get destroyed.
I said shooting him from behind in a hypothetical weakspot while he's busy, moron. Work on your reading comprehension.
>I said shooting him from behind in a hypothetical weakspot while he's busy, moron. Work on your reading comprehension.
While Hulks busy with what? You have Hulk tier mental powers now? You're an idiot.
Staring at a sandwich or something, you aphantasic brainlet.
Why are you nerfing Hulk this hard to make your moronic scenario work?
I'm not nerfing the parts that matter, brainlet
By your logic the dragon was also nerfed so it's a null feat
So how about you post those "high-end" feats instead?
You are nerfing Hulk, now you're running away from your own braindead tier logic.
Explain how a human with a gun beats Hulk in any scenario.
With a hypothetical weakspot, brainlet, like the one the dragon has
Now post the "high-end" feats
>With a hypothetical weakspot, brainlet, like the one the dragon has
And how does a human with a gun reach a weakspot of a character is above universe level with ease, with MFTL speeds.
While he's distracted
Now post the feats
>while he's distracted
the moment Hulk hears you coming you're dead.
It's a hypothetical brainlet, quit arguing specifics and focus on the main point
And your hypothetical depends on you nerfing Hulk to the ground, brainlet.
No it doesn't moron
No more nerfed than the dragon you scale mario to
Punisher Kill Marvel, Deadpool Kills Marvel, Civil War 2, Hulk dies to guys with regular weapons all the time.
But I believe the crux of that Anon's argument is that scaling requires a straight fight, ie, not bringing their specific weakness or hitting big glowing videogame weakspots. Like it's one thing if my character, Awesome Man, fights Superman to a standstill, making him clearly on his level. But if Awesome Man is wearing a suit of Kryptonite Armor while fighting him under a red sun, he may as well have just fought Ted Kord. A competent fighter, but still just a normal man. Probably the best example is Prometheus in his intro arc, takes down all the League one by one with specific counter measures, but gets dropped by Catwoman whipping him in the dick. Catwoman's whip isn't stronger then the all of the Justice League, because Prometheus isn't either.
We're working with Death Battle logic here, fighters at their strongest. Not certain writer stories that nerf the characters to the ground.
Flash would job to Archie Sonic if we utilized antifeats in vs battles.
But the point is that the victory itself hardly qualifies as a feat
You seem to misremember that the anon ignored when I proved Mario tanks the Ruined Dragon blast. He scales to him.
Even if we count that as tanking it doesn't scale Mario's AP
He can frequently take more than he dishes out
I'm not talking anti-feats, I'm talking someone bringing a specific weakness to bear means they aren't on that level. Like in Dark Souls 3, you could say Ashen One scales to Yhorm if you fight him with your regular gear, but if you use the magic giant slaying sword, he just used a tool specifically designed to kill him. Anyone could have done that, so long as they had the sword.
This moronic conversation makes me want a Hulk vs Bizarro comedy series
Frick, I really want a series where these two try to fool, prank, and pull one over one another
The dragon just straight up lets Mario attack though, if it never stopped to rest its head Mario couldn't even hit it
Those are game mechanics. Every videogame Boss lets you attack
You're suppose to see it as
>This boss used his full power special move against me, I was fast enough to dodge it and/or tank it, and now that he's tired I can counter attack.
We don't have the proper lore on how weak that weakpoint was, or what the weakpoint really does to the dragon.
Is it an armor weakpoint? Or just causes a bad chemical reaction but you had to be strong enough to trigger it?
Either way Mario tanking the blast is a durability feat.
>Anyone could have done that, so long as they had the sword.
But not anyone could also tank attacks while being in their base form, which I proved.
Hitting a weak point explicitly casts aside the notion that Mario overpowered the dragon by raw physicals
The attacks themselves aren't impressive. It did no visible damage to the ship, and his attacks cause no visible damage to the tower. If your saying tanking attacks which can't even break bricks, which is something Mario has been doing since the 80s are supposed to be impressive, I think you already lost.
>If your saying tanking attacks which can't even break bricks, which is something Mario has been doing since the 80s are supposed to be impressive, I think you already lost.
You're obviously ignoring the entire thread and basic logic if you think that's the only thing Mario has done since the 80s. He's had hundreds of games. Anyway I've already posted some more impressive feats above if you scroll up that's not even high-end yet. I mean you're literally ignoring a universal black hole Mario feat being talked about at this time to try to downplay.
Bowser tanks this universal black hole by the way and Mario scales to Bowser.
Also
>Muh battlefield damage fallacy
Ruined dragon is a lord of lightning vs Mario, and we can infer that everything around him he destroyed himself.
If you're using this logic, then for example almost every and I mean EVERY dragon ball character is heavily nerfed.
The universal punch shockwave feat? Didn't destroy a single planet while moving through the universe.
Gorillion AP attacks? Many fights don't destroy the planet they fight on even when slammed into the planet.
DBS Manga is also tree level because when punched into trees, the tree doesn't even break.
Almost every fictional black hole feat imaginable is also nerfed because it doesn't stretch anything.
FYI I'm gonna post the high end feats now, just wanted to give you some fallacy info knowledge.
Post the super feats then
>Are you trying to downplay every videogame boss fight in history with this braindead "weakpoints" logic?
Is a TIE fighter Death Star level
The Death Star is single photon torpedo level
Also Mario literally tanks the ruined dragon's lightning breath before the boss fight. You dumb secondary, play the games.
He didn't tank it idiot, the ship did
You are a moron. Mario is literally absorbed in Ruined Dragon's blast.
How did he "absorb" it? He has no reaction when it impacts, and starts trembling when the ship does
>No reading comprehension
Moron. Mario is ENVELOPED by the Ruined Dragon blast and tanks it at 00:26 seconds of the video , not literally absorbing it.
Shut up with your braindead downplay logic.
Then why doesn't he react until the ship starts shaking?
Also
>reading
Because Mario TANKS the blast, moron. Do you not know what tanking means?
>tanks
>doesn't hit him
Look at 00:26 of the video again, slowly.
And FYI there's thousands of more feats that are above this level with the Mario series. This is just me humoring your downplay banter.
Cool, post these high end feats then
BTW scroll up, I post some of the high Mario feats already. I'm not posting more until this braindead logic downplay anon explains himself.
>Mario Galaxy
The end of universe level, results in a Grand Star corrupting Bowser's Galaxy Reactor that caused the entire universe to collapse into itself Bowser is stated in the manual to have survived this and is just a bit shaken up.
Bowser survives another giant black hole in SMG2 where you need to literally cross time and space to reach other locations, bowser is just shrunken down a bit after tanking this one.
Bowser surviving a universal black hole means since Mario scales to Bowser, he has at least universal AP.
>Dreamy Bowser
Holds a nigh-infinite amount of dream universes in his power, Base Mario & Luigi defeat him.
Dream worlds are listed as universes via Dream Depot.
>Culex
Said to be the master of time and space
Holds the entire Mario timeline in his hands and fights Mario with it
The fight is happening between dimensions where time and space don't exist so that gives Mario incalculable/immeasurable speed feats
>Super Dimentio
Miyamoto has said that every Mario is the same Mario.
There's a lot of evidence that the first three Paper Mario in the OG trilogy are the regular Mario's adventures (One example, PM64 being called "Mario's Story", another example is Paper Mario characters like pm64 Goomboss/King Goomba reaching a mainline game, and even the pm 64 Star Spirits appear in Mario Party.
Either way, Mario has scaled to Paper Mario and fought along side him.
Super Dimentio was going to destroy all dimensions, and all worlds with the void. This could even scale to the Dream Depot.
And that's just some of the high-end feats. The well known ones.
All of this is base form Mario btw, before powerups.
I'd also like you to know that there's another very strong Mario named Super Mario Kun that is full of gag force/toon force and he's above author level since he beat Bowser Kun who beat the author. This Mario also went through all game events. He's very overpowered.
>threatens
>escape
The universe literally collapses on top of Bowser in the SMG cutscene. The starting point is Bowser's location and this is before Rosalina and the Lumas even make a move.
The universe doesn't "collapse" before the lumas rush in, there's just a hole succing
It's a universal level black hole that's sucking.
But it hadn't collapsed yet
No the black hole was a universal threat to begin with so Rosalina and the Lumas had to reset the entire universe. If it wasn't that strong, the lumas wouldn't have sacrificed themselves in the first place.
"his narrow escape from a horrible fate" seems to imply he wasn't at the epicenter or the resulting explosion of a new reality
When did culex do that? When was he stated to be that?
In the SMRPG story manual. Culex also can see your future and your past, he is antimatter and matter. and he consumes time.
Fraudex can't even survive existing in marioland for an extended amount of time
>Doubting CHADlex
Big mistake.
>AIIIIIIEEEEEE I CANNOT BE TRIDIMENSIONAL ANYMORE I MUST FLEE
Sonic still loses to the FLASH
Wrong Flash, anon. That’s Barry, Sonic fought Wally. You’d be better off using the “Billions of scraps of data” panel.
And the Flash still loses to the BIG RIG
Didn't they already include "Hyper Sonic" in Mario vs. Sonic?
If fights were determined by which character was more popular which results would change
All dragonball and naruto matches.
of this season?
>Killua Wins
>Guts wins
>Vader wins
>Rocket wins
Chosen Undead might also win but Raven and Ant Man still win
Chosen Undead wouldn't beat FUS RO DAH man in popularity
That's a old meme now though, if it was the guy that talks about you crossing the border then you might be right. Skyrim has sold more overall but Dark Souls is probably more popular nowadays, everyone seems to love Fromsoft now, at least more than they love Todd.
Starfield will sell millions
I don't foresee it outselling Elden Ring still, but it will probably outsell the new Armored Core
The last main TES game released over a decade ago and Skyrim is still a juggernaut, no way is DS1 alone bigger
Green Lantern vs Ben 10 comes to mind. For the upcoming one it would probably be Norrin
>Boba vs Samus
>Scorpion vs Ryu
>Pokemon vs Digimon
Who would win in the upcoming matches?
>Surfer vs Martian
>Bill vs Discord
>Cole vs Alex
>Surfer
>Leaning Dickcord because horseshit is still somehow alive
>Cole
>Bill wins
The other two could go either way but I would bet on
>Surfer wins
>Alex wins
Surfer because Galactus is probably gonna be in the MCU eventually, and Alex because that just feels more popular.
MLP is still going on and Discord actually shows up in the gen 5 comics but Gravity Falls has a bigger fanbase nowadays even though it's been over for awhile now.
Probably Surfer
Leaning Discord but who knows
Cole
Surfer
IDK
Cole
J'onn is less naked, since he's wearing his underwear and some boots. The Silver Surfer however, he's all naked and doesn't is afraid of crossing the cosmos like that.
My veredic is that the green man has shame in his genitals and will lose because of his insecurities.
>t.
>J'onn is less naked, since he's wearing his underwear and some boots. The Silver Surfer however, he's all naked and doesn't is afraid of crossing the cosmos like that.
>My veredic is that the green man has shame in his genitals and will lose because of his insecurities
kek
Non-reader anon, J'onn just shapeshifts himself to appear clothed. Or, alternately, he's wearing his alien shapeshifter buddy, Zook. Depends on the writer and era.
Sonic is faster then a black hole and busted a moon, KNEEL plumber boy
Mario outswims Black holes, and survived being near a universal black hole. While Sonic's black hole didn't even swallow earth when it was near it.
Kneel blue rat.
>doesn't instantly tear apart the rocks
This what you're passing off as a black hole?
>Ignores the Universal Galaxy Black hole.
As expected, fodder rat.
>u-uni-
Prove it
Mario Galaxy ends with a universal reset. The last level is called "The end of the universe"
And that isn't the black hole from mario galaxy
In fact, the vastly smaller black holes from galaxy that can't even pull the nearby formations to them can successfully pull and instakill mario
>In fact, the vastly smaller black holes from galaxy that can't even pull the nearby formations to them can successfully pull and instakill mario
Game mechanics fallacy. I'm talking about a full on story cutscene here that happens in the game.
Wow and sonic dies to getting crushed, and his super form is hurt by man made machines and meteors, and bomb carts (sonic lost world) if you wanna use that logic. Your point?
Actually forgot to add Super Sonic fully dies to Bomb Carts in his games.
You mean the black hole that harmlessly rebirthed the universe?
>You mean the black hole that harmlessly rebirthed the universe?
>Harmlessly
Don't try to act slick, you've obviously never played the game. It literally tore the universe apart
I played it and it just sucked them in
You didn't play it then.
cope
how is rebirthing a universe harmless
moron
No he wasn't. He had to have wisps saving his ass.
so who's winning
martian or silver?
Surfer, it fits the hack pattern Death Battle has been on. When they fight Marvel at the cosmic level, DC women win and the men lose.
Only DC has any wins at the cosmic level, anon.
You know that's not true
Anon, it's true, or you could name one certified Marvel cosmic with a win.
Doe Iron Man vs Batman count? They did bring out the cosmic suits for both in that one
>do these street level normal humans count as cosmics
No
Then they have no cosmic wins versus DC
Tony beat Lex and Batman, Doom beat Lex, Apocalypse beat Black Adam, Rogue beat Wonder Woman, Pym beat Palmer
Not a single cosmic in that list. In fact, every single one is 100% earthbound.
They made Hellbat = Darkseid and said the Final Batsuit would be negligible, Lex = Larfleeze, Black Adam = Quintessence and gave Palmer bullshit universal stakes...
Still earthbound humans, not cosmic entities in the slightest. Do you need to cope?
>Tony, Bruce, and Doom
Not cosmics. Hint: When you're entire thing is stealing cosmic power and then losing it again and again and again, you aren't cosmic, you're a pretender.
>Apoc and Adam
Actual example here.
>Rogue vs Wonder Woman
Neither are cosmic and they stealth walked back this fight.
>Pym beat Palmer
Neither are cosmic.
If you're being this broad with cosmic you might as well count stuff like Aquaman vs Namor.
Tripgay, Hellbatman was MULTIVERSAL in that matchup. As in "it can destroy the multiverse". Pym and Palmer were both regarded as existential threats to reality. How do YOU define "cosmic"?
not him but when i hear cosmic i always assume space people
Well then, would Star-Lord be "cosmic"?
superpowered space people specifically
Hellbat is not even close to multiversal what the frick are you on
No doubt, but in the context of the episode it was
bummer
i like the martian better
>Tony's Phoenix Buster got stomped by the Phoenix and zombified, shambling Celestials tore up his Celestial buster.
Do these "X"busters ever win? Seems like they always get ripped apart by the character it's suppose to counter
>J'onn with morals on
AIEEE JOKER SAMA YOUR MIND IS A HURRICANE I CAN ONLY CONTROL IT FOR A SECOND!
>J'onn with morals off
Pic related.
J'onn losing to Galactus memories is going to be such bullshit.
But what if he sees galactus culo
What a cluster frick of a post.
>Elders and Watchers are >>> Heralds
I was addressing the part where he said Galactus is nothing. And you're being disingenuous here, he literally couldn't touch their minds. Simply being in there and reading is so rudimentary it serves as the basis of everything else, and he couldn't even do that. Not even against Terminus.
>it doesn't actually warp reality
What the frick? A martian's telepathy localizes its opponent's heart, and then the heart's innermost desire. It then turns that desire into their reality. Literally. By making that reality more real than the real reality. If that's not "reality warping" to you then you have some serious issues or some serious bias
I said Galactus is frick all, which he is compared to Mageddon and the sheer levels of destruction he represents. The entire cosmology of the Second World was extinguished, far more than a few worlds within a still-thriving cosmology.
And telepathic attacks that show you a reality in your head are not in any way reality warping, moron.
mmm.. thats nice. galactus posed a threat to the entire multiverse as a side effect of fighting the scrier and the other
>posed a threat
So did nothing. Gotcha.
and mageddon was one of many war machines and most certainly didn't cause ragnarok singlehanded. but from the ashes of the second the third and fourth emerge. but when galactus fought the scrier and the other all of existence would be submerged into oblivion meaning nonexistence. he was literally erasing the multiverse from existence and not just causing destruction which is more pedestrian
And yet none of that happened. The multiverse was just fine, and nobody was even slightly concerned.
And Mageddon doesn't do anything so plebeian as 'cause destruction', non-reader. Mageddon is the proof that defines and signifies The End. All things then bring about their ending - Total Black person Death, with literally everything self-defining as Black folk. Mere destruction would be mercy.
everyone who knew was concerned which is why surfer, phoenix and thor stopped them. it was literally oblivion's plan because it was guaranteed to happen. they fight = doomed multiverse. not gonna read your pretentious description of mageddon
nice digits tho
>i'm just gonna ignore your argument and cry about it
Concession accepted. Galactus is frick all compared to the Ultimate Destroyer and will never compare. Enjoy getting no diff'd by Unicron and Matter-Eater Lad, fatso.
you can put the projector down sweet cheeks
>anon feels called out by my description of Galactus
Have another sandwich, fatty.
If MM wins, the slaughterhouse needs a pic of crying wojak Galactus.
i don't know about galactus crying when one could just depict him as chomping a planet while making that face. norrin's iconic game over pose is where it's at
Have him chomp a planet while Norrin does the face.
a wojak doesn't go anywhere as hard as this
i ordered a burger, funny boy
>ordered a burger
>couldn't read a comic
Smartest mousecuck ngl
i want it well done too
>It's sad, but on brand that half the footage is Gamera getting his ass beat.
I'm still confused by what you mean by "Sad"
how bout a burger instead?
literally what does any of this have to do with what i said? i was talking about something galactus was fixin to do. it has nothing to do with how the fight animation will play out
It's irrelevant to Norrin weaponizing his memories against J'onn.
It's a one-shot technique that works on Despero, who is such a strong telepath he kicked J'onn's ass (though it was alter revealed that J'onn was holding back and J'onn stomped him in the rematch, but point remains in that it's a powerful psychic one-shot attack that works on even the most powerful psychic warriors.
no. it's a technique made for improving the life of your loved ones by making their reality better. if it was smoke and mirrors j'onn would have said so. the objective of it was to make despero happy and save earth by making his heart's desire a reality. but j'onn didn't anticipate what would happen because he didn't know what would be made into reality
Maybe you should read the issue in question, anon. We see everything from Despero's perspective, as he 'acheives' his heart's desire - absolutely eviscerating the entire Justice League and literally scorching the earth.
But that wasn't, as it turns out, the reality. Non-readers really need to get fukt.
Dude if a vague suggestion of cosmic annihilation is enough to AHHHH J'onn he'd get it just from reading the mind of anyone involved in Final Crisis.
Norrin doesn't have memories of Galactus destroying a multiverse. At most he has a vague idea of the possibility. He has memories of planets dying.
Goddamn, you're stupid. Are you one of the researchers or something? I'm going to be watching for them to call it reality warping now because of you.
That's...actually not a bad way of describing Mageddon.
>He couldn't touch their minds.
With a scan.
Again, compare J'onn vs Joker to Fernus vs Joker.
>Terminus
J'onn kicked Terminus' ass.
>It's reality warping
Dude, did the alternate reality appear to anyone else but Despero? Think, anon!
>Hellbat
The hacks at Fraud Battle think CU is multiverse level, it means nothing.
>Pym and Palmer were both regarded as existential threats to reality
That's a laugh.
>How do YOU define "cosmic?"
Imagine if Pym actually threw hands with the big boys in the not-White Hot Room. That's cosmic.
Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, Zatanna, Scarlet Witch, Martian Manhunter, those are actual cosmics.
Again, frick that shit. "Multiversal" in a death battle context means nothing after CU vs DB.
OH, MY STAR LEVEL FATTY ROLLS!
It's a moot point because Norrin doesn't have memories of Galactus destroying the multiverse, he has memories of Galactus destroying planets.
I've compared enough things. He couldn't enter into their minds, teamwork beat Terminus and J'onn only damaged him with a mind bolt, since he couldn't actually access the mind and therefore mindrape him. Despero's personal reality was changed, which is the exact same as what Norrin shrugged off in his last Rebirth issue.
>The hacks at Fraud Battle
-run Death Battle.
>Personal reality
AKA his mind, holy shit, do you work for Death Battle or something? How are you so bad at understanding things?
No. It changed him in reality, into a baby. In other words, his reality was warped into his heart's reality. J'onn describes the process word for word as one would reality warping
Despero did the changing, non-reader tard. Based on what J'onn's telepathy showed him and convinced him was real.
He's describing an illusion.
How are you this dumb?
They should have done the whole thing in black and white and made it a tribute to the Outer Limits. It was what was on tv back when J'onn was on the JL and The Coming of Galactus was printed.
>this UNBELIEVABLE ONE OF A KIND, ONCE IN A LIFETIME ABILITY IS.... hypnosis
lol. how are YOU this dumb?
"...into his mind..."
Yeah, man, try that reading shit. Works pretty good.
Not in vshomosexualry. Cosmics are homies who can destroy celestial objects. Doesn't matter if it's Tontoman that one guy who fought Supes once, if he scales he's a cosmic or more aptly a herald tier character. I don't make the rules, this is just how they think. By that logic, every character mentioned is cosmic, any other answer is cope.
I hope J'onn wins but knowing how he's usually treated I expect him to lose.
little green martians creep me out so i hope he dies horribly and screaming with his skin bubbling from internal heat until he is atomized on the spot. i very much hope for total martian death as galactus consumes mars and all the martian ghosts
That's not very nice.
>Norrin has guilt over being the unwitting pawn of Galactus' multiple omni-cides.
>He's about to genocide the Martian race.
Man, poor dude. He's going to be one of the most remorseful winners up there with Tony and Johnny. He's going to be suicidal after this.
tripgay backed lex, bruce, wanda, adam, ray and phoenix. has a 6 match losing streak on marvel vs dc and is 0 from 6 on non-street level marvel vs dc matches. whoever he's backing here is toast
Who would win
Archie Eggman vs Dr Doom
Match ups for femto(griffith)?
Ryo Asuka (Satan) from DevilMan seems like his best MU
I see any particular reason why?
For Magneto: superiority above mankind themes, rivals with a "hopeful" disposition, le did nothing wrong, gravity vs magnetism. It's a stretch but I think the fight could be fun
Satan from Devilman
dis
I shilled for Magneto once
Sometimes I feel like VS debates have rotted our brains to the point where we can't comprehend a fight that isn't a stomp
>our
>we
Speak for yourself. Not everyone can only think in 1’s and 0’s
Truth be told I think you guys are a bunch of idiots
>leave this crap general for a while because waiting for guts vs dimitri was boring and I was going to wait for more Speddy the Hedgehog cringe to laugh at
>realize "OH SHIT IT'S BEEN LIKE TWO WEEKS"
Spoil it for me. Who won? How bad was it?
>Silver Surfer vs Martian Manhunter
why even
Dimitri. It was rather mediocre. Song was good though.
Damn, was kind of hoping Guts would win. Maybe I'll just listen to the song and skip the DB entirely.
>Who won?
Dimitri
>How bad was it
It was fine
The preview was okay, I still think that Jiren vs MM was the better choice. The connections, the sheer contrast between their personalities and powersets would be marvelous to see in a death battle.
i'm not sure if surfer vs mmh was a discord thing or some kind of bid to keep viewers interested. they could make mmh go over jiren and we'd all see it coming a thousand light years away but norrin is something else
And by Jiren, I mean Piccolo
Dragon Ball needs feats. They don't have what it takes to go against Marvel or DC
They don't even have feats above the HST (see granola vs goku)
True, Super isn't needed for HST. Buu arc Goku is enough for Naruto, Luffy and Ichigo.
I see your point. Buu arc goku was intelligent (by super standards). He would no doubt find a way to defeat the HST!
And also much stronger than HST.
He doesn't have defenses against genjutsu. Itachi solos
Goku overpowers genjutsu due to being much stronger than Itachi. Done.
Buu arc goku can't. He gets mindraped by itachi. In fact we don't even need him, ino yamanaka is enough. Or sakura, yeah sakura can cut his veins
He can. He is much stronger than Itachi. Itachi isn't even moon level. Buu arc Goku turns him into paste.
huh?
Genjutsu bypasses durability. Worse for goku due to having zero defenses. The saiyan (buu arc) WILL spent an eternity watching DBS episode 5 better you like it or not
Goku simply powers up and destroys the illusion. Simple as.
He will have no idea that he's in fact in a gentjutsu. Zero defeses=itachi soloes
>IESLB
Also, Roshi has resisted illusions, Bejita has broken mind control. Goku can do the same. Besides, genjutsu is stated to be an illusion caused by altering the chakra flow, Goku doesn't even have chakra, even if we equate ki to chakra, Itachi couldn't even comprehend the amount of Ki Goku has.
massive caveat for the mind control: it depended on controlling the evil inside someone
as such the non-evil Goku and Gohan were flat out immune, Vegeta could break it because he wasn't completely evil, and the 100% evil Dabura was literally entirely unable to break it
that's not a particularly good anti-mind control feat
Adding to what you said, the kaioshin read vegeta like book. Not once the prince noticed intrusion in his mind. If he can't even block basic telepathy then how do you expect to resist mind control?
>Bejita has broken mind control
Wrong. He broke out of a spell that specifically targeted evil beings. While buu arc vegeta had evil in his heart, he was not as bad as his past self. Also, genjutsus are way more complex than anything seen in dragon ball. Goku gets TSUKUYOMI'D and then sakura can do whatever she pleases with him
Genjutsu is an illusion. Simple as. It doesn't transport you to a different dimension. Roshi has resisted illusions, Goku can too. Hell, Moro was using illusions and Goku saw through them.
You're comparing basic illusions from dragon ball to a literal simulation in your mind. Itachi, for instance, made his gf experience the rest of her life. Literally not comparable
>moro
Ahem we are talking about buu arc goku
Didn't Goku get fooled entirely by the snake way castle illusion?
To be fair, to that anon, that was filler.
>Wah, waku waku I have finally defeated this Itachi guy. I can live my life happily.
>*dies inside a genjutsu world where time is passing faster*
Lel, Krillin can probably solo most of Naruto's roster.
Itachi would be better off fighting someone from Mortal Kombat, Ninja Scroll, Sengoku Basara or Shaman King.
Hax are shit against DB. Dragon Ball canonically has hax job to sheer power. Keep coping, SNOREutotroon
Itachi would probably allow Goku to beat him in the genjutsu world if that counts.
It would only take a few seconds for Goku to drop dead in real life though.
Billion x ftl speeds. Boom. Done. Inb4 instant activation. SHITachi is slow.
Billions of x ftl over what? They were struggling against LS Dyspo in the ToP arc. I have more grounds to tell you Itachi is at that speed over him being able to create genjutsu lifetimes that only last one or two seconds in real life.
>NaruTARD is being a moron
That was a mistranslation. Blame the americans. Offical name is Maxium speed mode. There was no light speed in the name. Keep coping.
Was the part where Hit's movements were being tracked by sound also a mistranslation?
His movements weren't tracked by sound speedwatcher. Dyspo's hearing is so enhanced that he heard Hit's muscles tense up before he started moving. Dyspo is massively FTL.
>His movements weren't tracked by sound speedwatcher
?t=39
>"whenever someone makes an action, their bodies make a sound"
You mean what I said? Kek, Dyspo was literally attacking before Hit used his time skip due to hearing Hit tense up.
>billion ftl
Superbu took several seconds reach kami hideout from his home. The same superbuu who goku himself was afraid to face(even with vegeta by his side). FTL buu arc goku my ass
Superbuu wasn't even serious. He was still a wienery bastard.
Even in Buu arc, hax jobbed to power. Buu literally screamed and opened a hole to a another dimension. Besides, genjutsu is caused by fricking up with chakra flow. Goku doesn't even have chakra, even if Ki was equated to chakra, Goku has so much Ki that Itachi cannot even comprehend it, let alone manipulate it.
>hax jobbed to power
If you are referring to the candy incident, vegetto was still a candy, conscious and moving but still a candy. Even if that were the case, vegetto was miles above goku (the anime made base vegeto=buuhan).
The hax still jobbed to power. Vegito retained his sentience, every other candy was just candy.
He was still candy. Could eh punch really hard but still candy
Again, db hax jobbing to db
That's from super, we are talking about buu arc stuff. Goku loses to genjutsu and then pain comes over then takes his soul (ding ding goku doesn't have soulfrickery defenses either)
that only applies to hax from db
You missed my point. Thor/Bejita, Black/RF, these fights were stomps, but are already considered a classic. They had great connections, animations were solid, executions and presentations were fantastic. I just want to see some cool Dragon Ball fights.
They have enough feats across the anime and manga. Either way, Martian Manhunter and Piccolo fit thematically better than with Jiren.
They are incredibly similar, not just in looks, powers but even demeanor.
Jiren is more comparable to General Zod.
>"Either way, Martian Manhunter and Piccolo fit thematically better than with Jiren"
>"Jiren is more comparable to General Zod"
Incerdible, everything that you have said is wrong.
How is Jiren more similar to MM than Piccolo?
That's simply inaccurate
MM is just Piccolo and Jiren doing a fusion dance
Jiren and MM. Both are aliens that have survived a great tragedy that has molded them into the people they are today. Both are a part of a super hero team and are considered to be the heavy hitters of said teams. Both are stoic in personality and willing to protect what they cherish and while Jiren believes in "power is everything", MM is more like a dad/uncle in the Justice League. Martian Manhunter is a literal swiss knife with all the powers he has, while Jiren is a total brick. Great contrast that could be highlighted during a fight. Also, both Jiren and MM are based on classical depictions of aliens, the greys and little green men. Shit is SOVL.
SHITren is about as deep as a Paper Bag. Stop trying to gas Jiren's generic backstory up.
MM vs Jiren is a better matchup. Stop coping.
No it isn't. Piccolo is a much better character than Jiren.
Martian Manhunter vs Piccolo >>>>>> Forced Meme Jiren
>Both mystical strange Aliens brought to earth under strange means.
>Both have been both villain and hero before.
>Both stoic & wise individuals
>Both have a extreme regeneration/healing factors
>Both can change their shape, grow to become giants, and use unexplainable almost-magic like abilities in their media
>Both visually/thematically similar if they were to battle. Start out as green, and have stronger orange forms (Fernus The burning Martian vs Orange Piccolo)
>etc.
You're coping if you think ALLINEEDISPOWERen is a good matchup for him.
Thematically, Piccolo and MM are nothing alike. Keep coping. Jiren vs MM is better.
Thematically Jiren is like no one with his stale as brail 50 minute generic personality. Piccolo vs MMH is better.
You only like Jiren because of forced /dbs/ memes.
Piccolo vs MM is in the same tier as Piccolo vs SS. Surface tier matchup.
>Surface tier matchup.
...but enough about Jiren.
...'s vassal Piccolo.
...as he thought in his mind, but he knew he was a false fantasy, since it was true that Orange Piccolo solos Jiren.
.....'s teammate Dyspo.
... with jiren himself as collateral.
......coped Piccolo while jobbing to Jiren.
Columbo vs. Light, but it's just an actual physical fight
This doesn't feel like a reasonable pairing at all. Martian Manhunter couldn't handle core Dragonball characters anywhere past the original Frieza saga. It's not even a comparable power scale. It's like putting Rorschasch up against Thanos. What's even the point?
Mayuri would also be a funny mu for someone as moronic as Goku. He can do the same to him.
Point blank goku loses against tsukuyomi. However the likes of buu and babidi would defeat the naruto world though.
Tsukoyomi is just an illusion. Goku beats it.
Dragon Ball is a sad fricking franchise on a battleboard set up.
The wank makes it rape their weaker match ups but isn't nearly enough to get them to beat their mid to stronger match ups. That's because to get to those levels you have to use a ton of moronic assumptions, once you can't do that anymore you're stuck with a shitty verse with no feats and only wank to go by.
>DRAGONBALLDRAGONBALLDRAGONBALLDRAGONBALLDRAGONBALLDRAGONBALL
>Muh thematic matchups
Shut up all of you, Naruto vs Luffy has the potential to be the best Death Battle episode and they are nothing alike.
>Naruto vs Luffy
>best episode
Not even in the top 5.
>cope
Naruto vs Luffy will SOLO the internet.
>delusions of grandeur
Not even top 5.
You're just pushing this because you believe Luffy wins. Luffy loses to base Naruto at the moment of this post.
They’re both dreamers
>Dreamers
>Naruto wants to be in a dead end hokage job for one village (Leaf) while Luffy wants to rule the world as pirate king and set everyone free from military/celestial dragon oppression.
>military/celestial dragon oppression.
I meant Navy/Celestial Dragon.
Luffy has much bigger aspirations than Naruto.
>Luffy wants to rule the world as pirate king and set everyone free from military/celestial dragon oppression.
What? Luffy doesn't want to 'rule' anything. The only reason why he wants to be Pirate King is because in his mind, the Pirate King is the freest man in the world.
He doesn't give a shit about the World Government. Sure he hates them, but he's not going out of his way to fight them unless they directly get in his way. He'd team up with the Revolutionary Army if he cared about bringing down the Celestial Dragons.
The Final Luffy vs Blackbeard fight shockwaves will unintentionally destroy all Celestial Dragons and the Navy without them even realizing it in the backlash.
Oda (aka GODA) will make it happen.
Weebish verbal diarrhea is the most pathetic SHIT
I'm sorry if my mom didn't buy me american comic books, I trully am.
Well, save for the Spiderman and Hulk issues that came with the newspapers and my father bought for me. Those were kino, I actually got to see Devil Hulk's debut in them.
I got a comic book only one time in my life (other than the archie ones they sold in supermarkets) and of all things it was the one where Bane had just broken Batman and he was crippled. Definitely not the kind of thing that gets a kid into comics.
In my country it's difficult to even find a store that sells them. but I'm European, there was a huge bias in favor of European comics and manga in here. I bet my ass this sold more than Superman comics did in here, at least during my lifetime.
European comics have always been better, ngl about that.
If you don't like the other one, migrate here.