Death Battle

>Sneed and cuck to do the research
>"And this is why this character who has never destroyed one universe can destroy 16 quintillion universes"
No thanks, Seth is a moron, I'd rather we didn't move on from DIALS to Krillin being worth 10 billion Multiverses or whatever.

>I want someone to handjob my favorite anime
And that is why you fail.

>Seth and Chuck become official researchers
>Instead of having fights like mainstream anime man vs literal who comic guy, you get mainstream comic guy vs literal who anime man
Wow, what an improvement! When are you guys going to realize that it's not the researchers who're the issue, it's the fact that you're trying to do research in a field that is literally built around your own personal biases. I am not exaggerating when I say that the only reason people care about Death Battle and also hate it is due to the fact that it validates or disproves their perception of their favourite verse.
You think people got mad because Goku lost to Superman? Frick no, they got mad because they were told "No, Dragon Ball isn't the strongest anime in the entire world". Death Battle exists simply to give morons a wake-up call while indulging in what's basically fanfiction in video form, but the "research" aspect of it muddles people's mind, and that ends up making them think that their scrimblo bimbo franchise is as strong as the numbers some random fricker in Texas slapped onto the verse.
tldr; Get rid of the research shit entirely, or just put "THIS IS OUR OWN PERSONAL OPINION, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK" on every video so people don't get pissy when their favourite character loses. Which is funny, since Ben already admitted to the entire thing being opinion-based.

Ideally they would have two sides present their argument and then have some third party pick who they agree with. Deadliest Warrior did that. That way both sides end up looking cool and supported.

Their research also blows in general. They look at reddit respect threads and call it a day. They don't actually read the comics for context.

They wank the shit out of Dragon Ball. Only one character is definitely universe level and everyone else is miles beneath him

Cap, then why do they lose? Vegeta clearly had no way to win the thor fight

>Downplay
They wanked Trunks in that fight. They had to scale and compare him to people he has never once gotten close to surpassing just to make the fight look fair. You were watching a BOOSTED version of Trunks get cut in half, and you believed that it was the official version, that is your own fault. Also, bonus question, but why do DBgays think the entire world is against them the second something doesn't go their way?
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>Wtf, why do these fanfiction writers act like their own opinion is correct??
Gee anon, I couldn't tell you. It is physically impossible for me to explain how and why someone with their own personal beliefs would see themselves as in the right.

lol they wanked Silver too, I knew they were gonna pull some Chronos Control wank

That's the funny thing, most of feats from people like superman and megatron and even Saint Seiya are all anecdotal, its from them saying it, yet we never see them game end universes etc

Saint Seiya does have some timeline busting on the assasssin g manga

in every other instance, atom hax/cosmo manip conveniently doesn't destroy the planet oonce the attack is done

I understand your reasoning, but at a certain point you gotta take statements and hyperbole at face value. Not all writers are going to let their heroes destroy even a planet.
If you only could actual shown feats, then that makes Toriko one of the strongest Jump series since we actually see those guys carve chunks out of a gigantic planet. But we do need to take a lot of things like GoD Statements seriously cause the setting of DB does call for it. So yeah, we awkwardly jump from characters like Broly and Cell Max barely managing to make a dent on Earth, to Beerus and Champa getting in an argument supposedly almost destroying two universes, but that's just what you have to accept even if it makes little sense.

I don't see how two Athena Exclamations almost destroying the universe is any less valid than the universe threatening shockwave from BoG.

>But others like LC
what if Saint Seiya was Naruto? that's all there is to LC. nobody should take it seriously.

The two Athena Exclamations going off would have destroyed the universe if it weren't for the bronze saints pulling off some cosmo miracle.

They said it would have continued infinity if no one stopped it.

sometimes i figure that with all of these crisis events where the multiverse is being abused like a redheaded step middle child that maybe the dc and marvel universes are held together by superglue and band aids and it's just that easy to destroy them lol.

That's the funny thing, most of feats from people like superman and megatron and even Saint Seiya are all anecdotal, its from them saying it, yet we never see them game end universes etc

i give saint seiya the benefit of the doubt cause it has a reason why things don't randomly explode all the time and it applies to the entire universe cause they all have the same power source and standard power set

SS attacks are focused at the atomic level. You wanna break a rock, you crush it in your grip by spitting the atoms that make up the rock. This level of control is corroborated by the way Gemini Kanon killed Balrog Lune in the Hades Saga

Seiya's not composited in most battleboards, the original series is one straight story. You can bring in Omega for more esoteric boons like resisting time stop and destroying at the quark level, though.
>doesn't he need a necklace to transform though
I think that's Sailor Moon? Seiya doesn't transform... well not in the way you think. He doesn't need his cloth to be powerful, but the setting takes armor seriously so the characters can cut each other up with their bare hands so armor is necessary if you wanna excel in your field. He does power up to a gold Pegasus cloth in the Poseidon Saga because it was blessed by the blood of a gold saint and later it became a God cloth by being blessed by Athena's blood, though. Cosmo is also an undulating power source unlike Ki. Drawn out fights are decided by who can play the long game better and achieve a higher cosmo peak

yeah, but people in this thread do not think any universal feat where it it not shown a universe being destroyed counts

>Domestic violence good
Is there something you want to share with the group, Mini-me?

Do you see me as a surrogate father figure?

Sounds like a great guy to me

Cops need a warrant
Why would superman get a free pass?
Also looking for people to save is hero complex.

>Saving people is bad!
>Keeping children safe is evil
>Just let everyone die already you monster!
You okay there Notto? You're saying some weird shit.

By breaking the law and the people's individual rights?
He is just a vigilante that breaks into houses without a warrant.

Yeah, that’s the thing about being a superhero, you don’t follow the law otherwise you would just be a cop. But Good Samaritan either way. Also if you’re beating your wife you kinda deserve to have someone break in to save her

Goku focuses on his life and goals alongside those of his direct friends and family, not the entire world as someone with messiah complex would.

aka, like a normal human would.
Or do you go out of your way to save starving children on some shithole country all day?

But they do arrest those guys and those guys do go to jail in the comics.

supes busts into houses and watches thru their walls.
If he wanted to get the abusive dad in jail for goood, he'd get evidence first, not abuse his superhuman strength to invade a legally innocent man's house.

if you assume a majority don't do this then you have a frame of reference that would indicate the average doesn't do it, so any given individual could be seen as someone who doesn't participate in such charities

>link
gonna disregard that shit.why the venom? i spoke of why he'd draw that conclusion and you lashed out like some impotent liberal. i'm going to assume you're going through a rough patch or you're in some kind of trouble for you to react like this

>a child's opinion
and you have a child's reading comprehension. if you had any wisdom in that flat head of yours you'd be able to tell i don't share his opinions by something as simple as assuming you're going through something to be this much of a poisonous manchild online over people questioning Superman of all things. nothing in my post betrayed a lack of trust or regard for others and their moral fiber... tell me tripgay are you going through something right now or are you just insufferable by nature?

That is both god complex and vigilantism.

>Sorry little Timmy, I can't keep you safe from your father's beatings. Some random Pedro online said it's wrong to keep people safe and protected from threats. I'll see you in 4-5 business weeks once I've got the proper legal documents.
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>Or do you go out of your way to save starving children on some shithole country all day?
If I had god-like powers that allowed me to do practically fricking anything I would. Injustice Superman literally stopped all wars by putting his foot down, but you're gonna sit here and say that it's bad because he didn't ask the UN first?

Stopping wars can actually put the world in danger.
Do you think there is any reason why the US or Japan have not killed the North Korean dictator by now?
Because that'd trigger a nuclear war with China.

Supes randomly placing his authority over others is risky and part of having a god complex

Probably intervene and stop the man from attacking the girl?
And then scold the girl AND the man for their violent actions?

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>Goku focuses on his life and goals alongside those of his direct friends and family, not the entire world as someone with messiah complex would.
Provably false, Goku can be interpreted in two ways following his death against Cell, one, he's immensely selfish and only cares about becoming stronger in heaven with no family around to distract him.
Or two, having a messiah complex SO HARD that he actually chose to stay dead for the good of the world.

>Goku has some sort of obligation to protect the planet instead of just his family and friends.
He is not superman nor has a hero complex.

>Stopping wars is bad because it...prevents more wars from happening?
What? Fricking what? The frick are you trying to tell us here anon.
>Do NOT stop domestic abuse. Let children be beaten
>Do NOT stop martial abuse. Beating on your wife/husband is good
>Do NOT keep people safe. You need the proper documentations first
>Do NOT stop wars. That would mean there'd be less wars in the world
Are all DBSpics as insane as this guy?

>Anon is over here calling for DC to do some Comic Civil War bullshit because he doesn't like the idea of superheroes being able to solve crimes.
How about we don't do that because that's the gayest shit imaginable for a story arc?
If you do as a basis for a story then that you get dogshit like BNHA.

Batman is even more of a mary sue than supes

he conveniently has the exact thing he needs at every situation.
Him having a machine that restores memories of being batman that works only on him is the worst offense

Anon, that's just Adam West Batman.

But they do arrest those guys and those guys do go to jail in the comics.

Anon, you don't need a warrant to stop a crime that is in the process of actually happening and you have proof of through say, x-ray vision or superhearing.
You only typically need a warrant to search stuff for evidence of a crime.
You fricking moron.
Also the Justice League are a recognized and approved organization by the World's Governments.

I feel exactly the same. It just feels like edginess and the tradition of the series are more important than the actual content or giving the fans what they want to see.
Even when they have two characters who probably fight to the death if pitted against each other, you have shit like Apocalypse acting like a spoiled kid having a temper tantrum when he's usually pretty composed and noble even when he's being ruthless in the comics.

It's just sad that such potential is squandered because the characters need to brutally murder one another when it could just be a fight to KO for a vast majority of cases. A huge offender is Nightwing vs Daredevil, where they just start trying to fricking kill each other for no reason whatsoever. "Hey, I'm trying to use that case to solve a crime." resulting in trying to kill each other.
It's silly.
Imagine how much less seething there would be if the hero vs hero fights ended with no murder and graceful victory or whatever.

>Sorry little Timmy, I can't keep you safe from your father's beatings. Some random Pedro online said it's wrong to keep people safe and protected from threats. I'll see you in 4-5 business weeks once I've got the proper legal documents.

Goku focuses on his life and goals alongside those of his direct friends and family, not the entire world as someone with messiah complex would.

aka, like a normal human would.
Or do you go out of your way to save starving children on some shithole country all day?

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supes busts into houses and watches thru their walls.
If he wanted to get the abusive dad in jail for goood, he'd get evidence first, not abuse his superhuman strength to invade a legally innocent man's house.

>Or do you go out of your way to save starving children on some shithole country all day?
If I had god-like powers that allowed me to do practically fricking anything I would. Injustice Superman literally stopped all wars by putting his foot down, but you're gonna sit here and say that it's bad because he didn't ask the UN first?

No?
Infinite Zamasu is 100% a living timeline and Jiren shaking the world of void are both univeral if not higher feats.

Empty Space has energy
It is compromised of more energy than matter

just in case some dropouts don't know what we are talking about
Dark Energy
https://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/07/26/empty-space-has-more-energy-than-everything-in-the-universe-combined

>but that would apply to any dimension-fricking feat as well
Somewhat yes
>so it's still not that impressive.
I argue the opposite. Doing that by sheer strength is more impressive than whatever the speedforce and etc seem to have done to an universe.
Manipulating spaces is manipulating three dimesions vs manipulating just one (time).
rewinding timelines keep spaces constant.

well yes but.. I mean, that means that shaking space is equal to shaking time. And Jiren never once did anything time related. well, yes, He defeated Jiren timestop but you know

>Says serial escalation is bad because it generally means that the author couldn't think of anything interesting to do with the story other than FRICK IT BIGGER THREATS BIGGER EXPLOSIONS BIGGER STAKES ALL NEW ALL DIFFERENT THIS WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING
>hurrrrrrrrrrr you must just hate strong characters! I bet you hate mythology too!
Otto my boy, please stop acting like a moron.

>Why do they lose? Mi héroes should be winning every single fight!
They lose because Dragon Ball is a weak verse. Maybe if the fans stopped deluding themselves into believing that DB is somehow the strongest thing on Earth, they'd be less surprised when people when their characters got their shit pushed in by people with ACTUAL strength.
>Th-they wanked Silver!
Yeah, by comparing him to characters he can actually scale to. Oh no, how horrid! A somewhat correct scaling chain! When are morons going to open their eyes and realize that Dragon Ball didn't create big explosions and planetary+ stakes, and that there are obviously verses stronger than them?

>You think people got mad because Goku lost to Superman?
You think they didn't? That not one complaint was by people who valued Goku as a nostalgic character? LOL

I can confidently say that there were more people upset about their perception of Goku and Dragon Ball getting shattered, than there were people upset about Goku dying. It was still a great fight regardless.

That's the funny thing, most of feats from people like superman and megatron and even Saint Seiya are all anecdotal, its from them saying it, yet we never see them game end universes etc

Anon, Superman was pulling an entire solar systems' worth of planets and sneezing away galaxies before Goku was even a concept. Fricking Superboy Prime got mad one day and just retconned reality with a punch. When was the last universal feat for Dragon Ball again?

Lol. Yeah, the spin-off game where you can literally count the number of universes and timelines is a very strong verse. It's a literal cycle with you people.
>Mi héroes are the strongest! Nothing can beat them!
>NOOOOO HOW COULD THEY LOSE WHAT THE FRICK! THIS ISN'T CORRECT DRAGON BALL IS THE STRONGEST!
>They must've lost because they forgot XYZ! That's what it is! (Somehow ignores how wanked their character was during the fight)
>Yup yup, Dragon Ball is the strongest verse in the world! Nothing can beat them.
Rinse repeat etc. It's going to be like this until you morons can take off your rose tinted glasses.

I can't tell if its bait or if Mini-me's only exposure to Superman and Goku comes from Internet comments.

Lol what it’s only imposing your viewpoint to stop someone from robbing a bank you pussy

Sounds like a great guy to me

Superman literally fricking gets bossed like a b***h by Batman, a dude with no fricking powers or any shit, he has flaws in some ways tbh

>Him having a machine that restores memories of being batman that works only on him is the worst offense
Why would it restore memories of being Batman to anyone but Batman

>that's not what he meant. what he meant is that ideological conundrums in Superman comics boil down to "I'm right you're wrong because the setting enables me and I'm stronger too btw" which is reflected flawlessly by how people in this website defend his ideology calling him the perfect human we should all aspire to be and mistakenly calling him a hero. let's call a spade a spade, Superman is a good goy/citizen and not a hero
No, he’s right because stealing and causing destruction is wrong and you shouldn’t do those things

I'm mexican btw

Leme rephrase anon, what I meant was that DBZ made the thought of that seem more thematic, hell, all Shonen battles Death Battle has is very DBZ inspired or hints of it such a rocks breaking etc

>They need new researchers
No shit.

>Seethe and Chuck
Ew. Why replace IQ 90's with IQ 85's?

Im aware of this but they act like their right, look at Android 18 vs Captain Marvel, yea im happy 18 won but like, Captain Marvel is pretty strong herself to just die like that and they said 18 was giga light speed, which ain't true, and the problem is, the DC morons are overstated as shit, they never preform most of the feats they do in a single comic its always nitpicking if they just had the favorites win their wouldn't be as much hatred as there is, look at Broly vs Hulk, noone gave a shit, very few debunks and Deathbattles reason for having Broly win was moronic and made no sense but I liked the outcome

>higher power level = queality?

Does Hibiki get Samsho scaling?

Yeah. Tho, i doubt she'd want to fight a Warriors or Smash Bros Lyn regardless.

I say FE7 vs LB2 Hibiki would be the most fair

DBZ didn't invent blowing up planets but it invented looking good while doing it. Eat shit, Alderaan

>You think people got mad because Goku lost to Superman?
You think they didn't? That not one complaint was by people who valued Goku as a nostalgic character? LOL

Yeah but he REALLY needed Goku dead.

yes, good fight

I'm no archiegay, but boy I sure do enjoy seeing you DBtards eat shit. Most entertaining losers in the entire netsphere, even moreso than suicidal post-op trannies
Get fukt, homosexual

>NOOO DON'T LIKE THINGS! DO NOT ENJOY SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T LIKE!
Dear fricking lord. You can say the fight was good without being an Archiegay, how is that so hard to understand?
>Incest out of nowhere
Again, and you wonder why people enjoy seeing Dragon Ball eat shit. DBgays are so insufferable that they MAKE people want to see that franchise take L's.

>In order to like something, you must be attached to that franchise in the first place
>It is impossible to not be a fan of either franchise and still enjoy the battle
Amazing logic, DBSpic. Thank you for revitalizing my need to see Dragon Ball get fraudchecked, hopefully the next DB fight is Goku vs Sonic or some shit, at least another Sonic win would shut you guys up for a while.
It's also so funny that you mentioned Sonicgays attacking Ian, when DBTards were literally threatening to go after Ben's head the second they heard about the results, despite him not even having anything to do with the actual fight. The sheer lack of self-awareness here is fricking pathetic.

>DBHispanic can't read
Shocker.

Imagine actually being a Ben 10 gay, that's just weird, maybe if it was Ben 10,000 its understandable that way it isn't a grown man killing a kid

You can try but IT'S NO USE

>Trunks V.S Silver: Debatable
>Thor V.S Vegeta: Correct
>Goku V.S Superman 1 and 2: Correct
>Buu V.S Kirby: Correct
>Goku Black V.S Thawne: Correct
Not sure on what you mean by debunked, since the only questionable fight here is the one we just had, and that's only because of how the SGW operates.

Reminder that Ultra Ego, Blue Evolved, and Blue don't even have official multipliers tied to them, and any kind of boost given to them is literal fanfiction. Vegeta was given fanfic numbers and still got his head crushed.

Does it? Super Genesis Wave is basically in a higher weight class than the Eternal Time Labyrinth

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No. Ian Flynn, a writer for the Sonic comics, disagreed with the animation as he found that Silver getting the chaos emeralds and chronos gem was unfair as those arent his innate powers and that regular Trunks would wreck regular Silver

The Wave was way more powerful than the Keysword and Eternal Time Labyrinth, but it's nice to give DB fans a bone.

>Toriyama stops being senile enough
Toriyama fricking hates numerical power levels, he never even gave multipliers to the Super Saiyan states if I recall correctly, it's all just guidebook and calc bullshit.
Like Super Saiyan is only 50x because it needs to be at least 50x stronger than Goku's base because 20x Kaioken wasn't as strong as Freeza's 50% power.
Super Saiyan 2 and 3 and 4 are all nebulous multipliers that don't make an incredible amount of sense.
Super Saiyan 2's only qualification is that it needs to make the user stronger, such is the same with 3.
Super Saiyan 2 being only a 2x multiplier makes a very small amount of sense because that buts Super Saiyan Grade 2, Grade 3 and Grade 4 at a power multiplication level of somewhere between 1.1-1.9x over base Super Saiyan, which is silly.

Basically, just don't think about it too hard, Toriyama didn't.

SSJ is just "Stronger"
It's that simple

>Trunks gets ludicrous speed scaling when he can't even go around the planet in a second
>Gets all of his toys and the ultra powered up version of his weapon that required other characters boosting it
>Gets all the wank possible
>Still loses
Guess it's up to Jiren to show those losers how it's done.

dude how old are you

Freddy vs Jason was more iconic way before the actual movie because of Jason goes to hell
How would you even make a Michal vs Jason fight interesting? there mos are to similar to have anything interesting occur.

Someone please make a Mammoth Mogul Basedjak

Post fights only you want to see

"Only I want to see" huh?

>Penny vs Nu-13
>Yang vs Makoto Nanaya
>Joe vs Ippo
>Terumi vs Sinestro
>Adam Taurus vs Kilmonger
>Stain vs Butcher
>Scourge vs Hunter
>Archie Eggman vs Wily
>Joseph Joestar vs someone.
>Acererak vs The Lich
>Vecna vs that one lich from Warhammer
>Robin battle royale
>Metal Sonic vs Bass
>Gon vs Deku

Oh he had it. It just wasn’t enough to actually do anything against Wally’s attacks
Not that it’s actually a thing in Archie Sonic

Bypassed by Wally’s speed force powers which trump chaos force

did he ever let him out?

And the page in question

Yup! Well, the original Robotnik's nephew. The Archie Eggman in those panels is technically Robo-Robotnik from another universe who hopped over here because he already won in his universe, but I think he ended up getting all this one's memories and shit by the end

It's the original Robotnik's nephew, but Archie Eggman more or less shares a history with the original, right up until he nuked his Mobius out of existence (which we actually get to see by the way).

>Uppity Sonicgays
Trunks Won, Wally Won.
Cope

This comic is such a disappointement. It just keeps going but never deliver any payoff. Same feel I get with Tails Gets Trolled, really.

Flat is justice.

note spiderman only messes with crime that is either public or reported by the police

also the avengers ARE legally supported by the govenrment in marvel, unlike the JL is.

You're the only one bringing up "muslim superman" for no reason. It doesn't matter, nobody's talking about some hypothetical version of Superman that doesn't exist anywhere. Just the regular Superman.

So?

Am I? I'm just fine with him beating up bad people, that's all.

Why does it matter? Why do you keep bringing it up? Being in your own home doesn't override laws. Your home isn't a separate country with different rules. If it's illegal to do on the street, then it's illegal to do in your home.

>quote from man shot

>Why does it matter? Why do you keep bringing it up? Being in your own home doesn't override laws. Your home isn't a separate country with different rules. If it's illegal to do on the street, then it's illegal to do in your home.

>He cares more about someone’s legal rights than another person’s life
I don’t think even Goku would agree with you, or anyone in dragon ball or hell shonen jump in general

No he definitely would. He’s a decent guy

>Do you care all day about what your neighbor is doing? Do you wish you could watch thru their walls and hear what they are saying in the case that they are doing something YOU consider wrong?
I’m pretty sure domestic violence isn’t a personal opinion thing. Seems pretty cut and dry as bad

No anon, you are at my mercy, and I find you guilty.

How would you know that?

Nothin' is stopping supes from busting your home right now just because you did something he doesn’t like

Disregard this, I suck wieners.

Also, If anybody else wants this anon's tripcode, he's using Otto's old one for some bizarre fricking reason which is CapeworldComics#Autobots.

answer my question and take your own advice

As a society, you cannot make a legal system when some god is already violating all laws and doing he sees fit.

so you are okay with a cop busting into your home right now and arresting you if they catch you doing anything thru a camera that captures every inch of your home 24/7?

What if you were just pirating music or a movie or just telling your SO to shut up in a non violent fight?

You are at the mercy of the god alien's moral compass, not the law, anon.

>telling your SO to
>shut up
>in
>a non violent fight
You fricking favelamonkey.
You just fear a fantasy of Big Blue putting a stop to your wife beating.

>Dragonballgays beat their wives
WAKU WAKU CHI-CHI-SAN

what's wrong with beating your wife if she deserves it? like bill burr said not every ass whooping falls out of the fricking sky

i laughed way harder at this than i should've

What if you were just pirating music or a movie or just telling your SO to shut up in a non violent fight?

You are at the mercy of the god alien's moral compass, not the law, anon.

>What if you were just pirating music or a movie or just telling your SO to shut up in a non violent fight?
>You are at the mercy of the god alien's moral compass, not the law, anon.
Well he doesn’t seem to care about pirating music or arguments so seems good.

of course the Superman wanker was called Otto