Is it O.K to lie to yourself to be happy Cinemaphile? Is the truth not good enough?
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Deception/Self-deception in Nolan films
Is it O.K to lie to yourself to be happy Cinemaphile? Is the truth not good enough?
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Jesus loves u anon
Thanks, anon. Have a good day.
God isn't real.
there's no comfort in the truth
Trips of truth. We all lie to ourselves in some way to keep ourselves sane.
this, pain is all you'll find
AND I'M NEVER GONNA DANCE AGAIN, GUILTY FEET HAVE GOT NO RHYTHM
I dont. Im belligerent in my quest for truth and cant stand falsity or false people.
Oh, so you'll never be in relationship with a woman then.
>comfort
For what purpose?
Living in a fantasy. People like this end up cutting their dicks and pretend they are woman.
Troons aren't the only ones believing in half-truths and lies. You most definitely do it yourself.
Nice projection. How's HRT going for you?
It's not projection. It's the simple fact no one can know all facts.
You need comfort to recuperate your strength for the battles ahead.
Good thread anon. The distinction seems to be that the world runs on a thin layer of falsehood and convenient fiction, which his protagonists become aware of in the process of their adventure. Being redpilled doesn't give them power to change the world, so the truth is a burden, a scar received on their journey, and yet it's that which the rank and file do not possess. It's part of the masculinity of Nolan characters that they carry heavy secrets. This plays out more or less explicitly in Inception, where Cobb delves too deeply into philosophical truth and losses his wife, then tries to repress everything so it doesn't happen again.
My understanding is that Nolan protagonists believe that they're operating on facts and logic. Think Leonard for example, he believes his lack of memory isn't even a huge disadvantage because he relies on documentation and photographs which are more reliable unlike our memory which is open to interpretation. But throughout the course of their journey they realise that they either don't know or it's impossible to know the whole truth and their insistence that they're being logical hides deeper scars and trauma. Their arc is basically them learning to take a leap of faith.
Leonard knows the truth, it's just not a pleasant truth so he chooses to ignore it. He abandons truth the instant it runs counter to his chosen course, or to put it kindly, he learns that he must sublimate truth to continue living with purpose. Dormer in Insomnia is a similar character who always puts the task at hand over the truth, though it be a sin no good man can bear forever.
interesting you bring up trannies. You could say they're comforted by untruth, but I think it's the opposite. They're tormented by what they believe is the truth. Ontologically, our society believes that experience is paramount. So much so, that feeling is the most sacred thing. There is no doubt that trannies truly feel like they should be women, and our society tells them to follow that truth. but there's a problem...
>There is no doubt that trannies truly feel like they should be women, and our society tells them to follow that truth
Not exactly on topic but the issue with troons is that dipshit progressives have convinced them that transition is the only cure. A neuroscience dude that I talked to once told me that there are a variety of treatments available for body dysmorphia that doesn't involve cutting your dick off.
Someone chasing a feeling doesn't want to be cured. They don't believe in a cure. The essence of transhumanism is devaluation of the body, desecration of that which is you, but not the innermost you. To the transhumanist, a body is a series of material conditions imposed upon you by the world. It's something to be free of. The generative role of the body in defining "you" is not acknowledged because attributing any aspect of the sacred self to external factors is, to them, dehumanizing. The only real you is the one you can control.
It's characteristic of a world unsure of its future, without clear tasks people become melancholy and existential. It's also a companion to technology, which provides psychologically satisfying fantasies far beyond the potential of our real lives. For many, the "crude matter" isn't enough anymore, and is a symbol of unhappy times. Of course, this can only lead to sickly, self-hating and self-harming bodies, and the mind rots within. They must learn the old wives' tale that a healthy body and sense of self comes before all success.
>It's also a companion to technology, which provides psychologically satisfying fantasies far beyond the potential of our real lives.
Grim. Sometimes I wonder If I'm deluding myself when it comes how much money I can earn or what kind of women I can land. I realise a lot of these desires are made possible because of what I see in media. I wonder if in past times I would've been satisfied with less.
It is what it is. We've become giants using these methods, we stand astride the sea. We reach for the moon. A model in Italy can be the girl next door. but there's no question our bodies suffer trying to achieve these power levels, and the mind's elasticity has a limit.
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I'd like to hear your opinion on this take
curious.
Ideas are living things, and they can be quite powerful. Carrying the cachet of truth makes them even stronger. but like all living things, their strength wanes. If you bind yourself to an idea, objectively true or not, then you go down with it. This is the tragedy of political extremism, trans suicide, religious radicalism and many other things. People are far too obsessed with truth as a matter of ego, they want to be the one who knows, the one who's right. I don't think Nolan or your gentleman has any new takes on that paradigm, though it's true many of Nolan's films take advantage of the tension between doomed truth and human survivors.
>I don't think Nolan or your gentleman has any new takes on that paradigm, though it's true many of Nolan's films take advantage of the tension between doomed truth and human survivors.
Thanks, anon. Insightful comments. Stuff like this is the reason that makes this place worth coming to.
so is it your video? and have you seen this film? It has some interesting things to say about objective versus subjective truth.
No, I wish but not like I have the budget for it. I haven't watched it but it is in fact in my to watch list. I was planning on watching it after finishing up The Long Goodbye and The Player which I had recently downloaded.
medication time
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I haven't seen The Player but if you only got halfway through Long Goodbye you won't want a whole other Altman movie after. MDA is a really energetic, fun film which you should move up in priority.
Will do anon. I'm now curious about it after what you said. Thanks for the rec.
what do you think of this post?
> The essence of transhumanism is devaluation of the body, desecration of that which is you, but not the innermost you. To the transhumanist, a body is a series of material conditions imposed upon you by the world. It's something to be free of. The generative role of the body in defining "you" is not acknowledged because attributing any aspect of the sacred self to external factors is, to them, dehumanizing. The only real you is the one you can control.
I believe the neo-human is undergoing a painful materialization. Bodies are sacrificed before technology is ready to give them new homes. The trick is, how do we empower people with the privilege of a strong body, and also the choice to participate in the neo-human project.
I have never looked much into transhumanism. Although your posts reminds me of discussions around Ghost in the shell. IIRC The movie argues that Motoko(a cyborg) is limiting themselves from newer experiences and the next step into the evolutionary ladder by holding onto to our identity. You might be interested in this.
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/215808736/#215810798
Motoko is actually a cyborg though. Like the Memento guy, she has limited usefulness as a moral guide because she's nothing like a normal person. They are philosophical questions posed to the viewer, but they aren't visionaries. If Memento or Inception had something to say about the human condition, rather than just using philosophy to set up drama, they would have more relatable characters and less archetypes.
a great idea can take you to incredible highs, then become a lost cause. How do you quit when you're on top? How do you act with honor and protect your interests, when so much is committed. The key is to not let ideas run your life, just as we try not to live for others. Recognize that the engine of being is still this beating heart and these hands and this face, and you'll ultimately go as they do.
I didn't get everyone, but thank you. It's so refreshing to have decent conversation on Cinemaphile these days.
No probs anon. Good day. If you're the transhumanism anon, check out that thread if you have free time.
O.K it's nice that this topic has been brought up. I know we generally don't discuss YouTubers but how close is this guy in his interpretation of subjective truth in Nolan films?
Well perhaps its time the truth had it's day!
Go to sleep Sir Michael.