force powers, he's just a glorified half droid wielding lightsabers, why everyone keeps trying to duel him instead of doing what windu did is beyond me
He’s one of maybe like 2 or 3 people that can actually just casually stand against Jedi. The other 2 were Cad and Jango. Claiming anyone else is just a lie, even top tier mandalorians jobbed to Old Maul and Jedi on the reg.
Kek
But the old clone wars cartoon described the actual reason grevious was dangerous (and why cad and Jango were as well)
They ambushed and struck fear and intimidated them, they didn’t ever meet them straight up. Grievous was big and flashy and Cad intentionally brought an annoying little robot to the fight so it’d jump on them and get in their face and shit.
Both Luuke and Joruus were completely insane. X2 is the only clone Jedi that didn't go completely batshit. Even the droid they programmed Anakin Solo's personality into went crazy.
Why are they adding complexity where there needn't be any.
Almost all Jedi should have died during order 66, why complicate things.
What did obi-wan do on Tatooine? Fricking nothing, why should their be enough content for a tv show.
Give us cool new stuff not this low stakes between trilogies shit.
>Give us cool new stuff not this low stakes between trilogies shit.
no one talented is hired these days bro
we're literally told we're too good to work on this shit and they hire 'diverse' morons who can't write because that's what showrunners want
the days of merit have been gone since the late 90s
There were 10,000 Jedi before order 66, even if we knew of as many as a 100 that survived, that would mean order 66 had a 99% success rate. Much less than that are currently known to have survived though
Lucas himself confirmed that there might have been at least 100 or more jedi that survived, however most of them were hunted down, hid, completely abandoned the order and its ideals or even severed themselves from the force so while jedi individuals still lived the order itself as well the ideals surrounding it were dead
There were 10,000 Jedi before order 66, even if we knew of as many as a 100 that survived, that would mean order 66 had a 99% success rate. Much less than that are currently known to have survived though
Lucas said there were about 50-100 Jedi around post-RotJ, or at least that was his intention for the sequel trilogy.
All six of Lucas' films along with the Genndy cartoon and the Dark Horse comics and video games that I like are canon.
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>the Genndy cartoon
Not canon. >the Dark Horse comics and video games that I like are canon
Not canon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Go be a nerd somewhere else, homosexual. The stuff I like is canon, the stuff I dislike isn't, and I dislike all of Disney Wars.
11 months ago
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Shit you like is not canon, son. I am sorry. Not to George, not to Disney.
11 months ago
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If canon as a word doesn't refer to the stuff that I like, then it is a worthless term.
11 months ago
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Things exist outside of you. The world doesn't revolve around you. *You* are meaningless and do not have authority or power over anything.
11 months ago
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Not that anon but I agree with him on
All six of Lucas' films along with the Genndy cartoon and the Dark Horse comics and video games that I like are canon.
also The universe revolves around me. People only have souls when I will them to have souls in my mind, meaning the only people that actually exist are those that I consider my friends and family. Morality is objective insofar as whatever I believe to be moral is what’s objectively moral. Anything that I don’t care about is a gay hobby and anything that I do care about is of the utmost importance. Me thinking about how others view me would be paradoxical because they necessarily must either be liked by me in which case they have a soul or are not liked/unknown to me in which case they do not. I don’t make any attempt to view the world from the perspective of others because my perspective is the only one I’ll ever have to live with and therefor the only one that matters to me. Even if everything I’ve said is supposedly false I don’t care and will still act as though it is because reality is shaped by my own thoughts, not the other way around. If there is an external God then he must refuse to show himself because he is afraid of what I would hold him accountable to. If there isn’t an external God then I must be God myself.
11 months ago
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I just want you to know I appreciate the effort you put into this post. A hearty kek was had. Thank you anon
11 months ago
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in a profit based model the customer is king. fans ultimately decide what is what after the original creator is gone.
Disney just owns the IP, they created nothing and are clearly mismanaging the frick out of it
11 months ago
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Lets be real here Disney throwing it all out was peak moronation BUT a lot of the og EU shit was also moronation of the highest order.
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Star Wars shouldn’t have an absolute canon, there should be some vague rules but a tiered canon should have been the approach, the fact that literally everything is canon is stupid.
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Imagine pretending anyone respects or recognises Disney lore as canon in 2023, homies really be on that larp grindset
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Based >B-But corpo has a piece of paper that says the slop they mak-
No
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Lucas hired Genndy to connect Ep II and Ep III, he only changed his mind and replaced him with Filoni when Genndy decided he didn't want to commit his life to Star Wars
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Genndy show was an experiment. It was never canon. Lucas did not write any of it and did not pay much attention to it, which is also indicated by how drastically different Grievous was as a character. It was mostly a toy ad for Hasbro and a testing ground for Star Wars in animated form.
>George Lucas: Well, the Genndy show was an experiment that we did with Cartoon Network that was 5 minutes each, they went sort of where commercials normally go, and it was an experiment, not only in doing five-minute shows, but it was an experiment in trying to translate "Star Wars" into an animated medium, and we felt very good about that. We thought it turned out really well, and we then took it to the next level, which was to do a full-out animated series of "The Clone Wars." There's not much overlap. Genndy did most of the animation and most of the stories for the first experimental series, and this one I'm pretty much following the mythology and the rules of the features, so it's a little bit different, but it's very much like the features except it's in animation.
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>Muh canon
Who cares homosexual. We never cared about what was and wasn't canon in the 90s. Material that was good was adopted, material that was cringe was ignored. Frick you Black person
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>you must be sincerely convinced the gif you've just posted is actually good
Grim.
I mean if we go off the lore that there were thousands of Jedi it’s safe to assume several escaped
But it’s also Disney being incapable of setting Star Wars outside of any time frame that isn’t between the prequels and the new sequels because they want to t try to marvel tie everything together
I don't know who any of those people are. I watched The Force Awakens and it was total dogshit so I never watched another piece of Disney Wars afterwards. I've seen all you homosexuals post pictures of the evil White Imperials and nu-Imperials, though. You're not going to gaslight me.
Phasma was in the Force Awakens, and was a female wearing silver armor.
And no, I'm not gaslighting you. Here's some of the villains that Star Wars had in the last 5 or so years.
11 months ago
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Okay, now I know you're lying because I saw the webms where that black chick does a heelturn and fights against Vader in the Obiwan show. Going to disregard everything else you've said.
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Not long after that she goes and attempts to kill Luke Skywalker. She's not portrayed as a good guy.
Meanwhile, literally every single imperial and villain under George Lucas was a white guy.
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Darth Maul, General Greivous, and Jabba the Hutt are not White men.
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Grand Moff Tarkin, Darth Vader, The Emperor, Count Dooku, and the entire Imperial High Command were, however.
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And they were all cool. There's a difference between cool White men villains, and simpering homosexuals like Kylo Ren and Hux who are just there to look stupid and cringy. Darth Vader was cool, The Emperor was cool, Count Dooku was cool. Moff Tarkin was also badass, and didn't start crying or screaming when he lost.
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They are honorary white
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Trilla a cute. Shame that annoying nigress didn't die instead of her I could've fixed her
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>the blue alien
why did they stick a men in black character in the show
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IMPLYING bottom right was a villain.
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She was the antagonist of the series, yes.
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Nah, it was the other intelligence Imps who were poo-pooing her correct conclusions.
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>two Black folk are from side projects >blonde b***h is literally designed to look Aryan >Cad Bane is EU in origin >brown b***h was also a side project
Anything mainstream?
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Cad Bane wasn't even the main villain of the Boba Fett show, it was some White crime lord guy.
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I know but the point is that Cad Bane is an EU/Legends character who crossed over into Disney. Anyone using him as an excuse for nu-Star Wars is moronic
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He wasn't an EU/Legends character, he was a TCW character.
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How is this a white guy?
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Filonishit.
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It is but the guy I replied to said that the main villain for bobf was a white guy, I don’t know what white guys look like were you live that does not look like a white guy. Hell I think there was only two white guys in the entire show (Sheriff Bullock and water merchant)
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I'm not going to watch that crap to find out where and to what extent White men were demonized in it, but I'm sure they were.
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he's white-coded
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Pykes are asian coded tho
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>t-those don't count
Cope
11 months ago
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>cope
You've still not proven your point... you're just showing examples of why you're wrong and calling it a W. Twitter is that way you moronic Black personhomosexual
11 months ago
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>all Disney Star Wars villains have been white guys wearing black >gets shown that it's not the case >UHM those don't count
Keep coping
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That was a late reply... I had enough time to go visit my grandma, have lunch and get back home. Your only response is to parrot the same redundant point and use a Twitter buzzword that fell out of use half a decade ago. Thank you for proving my point Black personhomosexual, since I know you tourists have a biological need to get the last word I'll wait another two hours and then maybe you'll work up the courage to parrot the same BS again
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>>Cad Bane is EU in origin
Cade Bane is Filonishit, TCW was never part of the EU.
They put Gus Fring in Star Wars? That's stupid for a whole different reason.
Thing is, his previous role as Gus Fring is the only reason they'd dare cast him as a villain. If a generic actor of his ethnicity was brought in, it would almost certainly be in a rebel role.
NO! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LIE DOWN AND DIE, have a nice day, YOU CAN'T FIGHT BACK, THAT'S CHEATING, DIE, WHITEY, DIE!
>war >defending myself >FIGHT BACK
God you sound like absolute little pussies, what the frick is happening to men?
Defending yourself? A war? You're commenting anonymously on fricking Cinemaphile of all places, is that seriously what you consider a war? Did you even try out for the army? Once? It's mandatory for men in my country because we're not pussies
But no, you're here crying that they made a white guy evil in a Disney fanfiction of zombie Star Wars
absolute fricking pussies, these are the people recommending (you) movies in this shithole
>allows all the things he likes to be taken away and muddied
Oh yes the children's franchise that was already killed by it's own creator, you won't ALLOW them? really? by b***hing on Cinemaphile?
And it's not being stoic you fricking mutt, it's not calling a literal non-issue a war like any of this matters.
You're an anon replying to a thread about fanfiction, you're not fighting anything or "Not allowing" anything, you can't affect these decisions at all
>Old movie canon >Luke is literally the last Jedi in a Galaxy full of white people
>Disney canon >Millions of racially diverse Jedi are out there but for some reason they can’t beat Darth Vader and are never mentioned in the movies
Why not just fricking set everything in the future? Is it really that important for some stupid OCs to fight Darth Vader? And no the ST doesn’t count because that was just a carbon copy of the OT.
Agree, why even limit to the future, set it in the past, I'm sure people would much prefer stories about people fighting cool new dark siders, rather than fighting a c tier inquisitor and then getting a heckin look at Darth Vader, or insert some other reoccurring character.
Star Wars is technologically stagnant from what I know, so its not like it would be something radically different.
No, frick that. Autistic dipshits reeeing about muh Revan, muh Bane, muh Sith Empire can go to hell. Forward into the future and force the people in charge to actually get creative.
>They paid four billion credits for this IP so they wouldn't have to think up anything new, anon.
Disney bought Star Wars so they could ruin it precisely so that it wouldn't become a cultural institution. They literally paid that money knowing they'd destroy it.
>attributing to malice what can much more easily be attributed to stupidity and incompetence
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Easily? Sure if you're intellectually lazy and stupid. Disney is not this incompetent, though, and it's 100% being done with malice or you're not paying attention. The fact is they bought Star Wars to control it and degrade it because they hate the entire concept of "fandom". It's been this way since the late 70's.
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lol ok i guess disney bought star wars just to ruin it for Cinemaphileners and because they wanted to lose 5 billion dollars
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>for Cinemaphileners
Cinemaphileners =/= the entirety of fandom by a long shot and "Jedi" ending up on census forms scared and infuriated these corporations. If anyone is going to start weird cults, it's going to be them and they're going to do it for politics / the state. Which by the way is exactly what we're seeing. 5 billion dollars is a small price to pay to co-opt something like that.
they need Vader to be a jobber for another TV show, chud
It's beyond moronic Obi Wan beat Vader AGAIN when he's supposedly at the height of his power, it would make no sense for Obi Wan not to finish him, but he can't because of canon
Honestly every scene with Vader since Rogue One has tarnished his character more and more, games, shows and movies
Luke is never "the last Jedi" in any of the movies.
He's the only hope outside Leia of defeating Vader because he's his son and can thus reach him emotionally.
>>Old movie canon >>Luke is literally the last Jedi in a Galaxy full of white people
i don't want Black folk in my media either but why are we now pretending there weren't any of them before disney? what about mace windu?
The only two Black folk in Star Wars prior to Disney was a sociopathic Black person who refused a POW a fair trial and a backstabbing thief who literally stole the clothes off his best-friend's back.
Honestly killing every single jedi in existence in order 66 would've been next to impossible. What happens to a small squad of 3 stormtroopers that receive the order and have to kill the jedi in front of them? Pretty good chance that jedi might survive. It's normal to assume a handful might have survived among the 10,000 that existed at the time.
The reason the jedi got fricked up is because most Jedi at that time were mid/low tier droid bait due to most of the experienced Knights dying at Geonosis. Also it was a stab in the back kinda thing, no one actually suspected it for some stupid reason...
>What happens to a small squad of 3 stormtroopers that receive the order and have to kill the jedi in front of them?
We even saw that, with Yoda.
The reason the jedi got fricked up is because most Jedi at that time were mid/low tier droid bait due to most of the experienced Knights dying at Geonosis. Also it was a stab in the back kinda thing, no one actually suspected it for some stupid reason...
IIRC, most Jedi weren't actually that good at combat. Almost like how most modern police forces are trained in how to use their firearms but most of them never fire a shot throughout their entire career and in many cases they don't actually get much practice on the range compared to civilians that shoot as a hobby.
They've got their fancy magic force powers stacking the deck pretty heavily in their favor, which made them all more than capable of handling themselves in self defense under normal circumstances, but by and large most Jedi were better described as being diplomats, mediators, and healers than as combatants.
> What happens to a small squad of 3 stormtroopers that receive the order and have to kill the jedi in front of them?
Some would succumb to the sucker punch, but I'd wager that most would survive the initial 3-man betrayal. However where most of them would falter is defeating or escaping from an entire war machine suddenly executing a man-hunt for them. They probably don't have contingency plans to be betrayed on that scale and then independently escape with little to no resources of their own. The few that still manage to escape from the man-hunts will all either be lucky or exceptional in some way. Most simply didn't have the necessary experience or training to survive or escape capture on their own.
I meant to use pic related as an example of something a lone jedi would struggle with. Those spheres are gravity well generators that prevent hyperspace jumps. A lone man likely wouldn't be able to do jack shit about that while the rest of the war machine is trying to kill him. Unfortunately it's an Empire era ship and I don't think the Republic fielded an equivalent. Just an example how fancy powers won't solve everything.
>I don't think the Republic fielded an equivalent
Per the EU, hyperspace mining was standard practice by the GAR and CIS. Interdiction technology existed, but the Empire were the ones to bring it to its full potential.
aaaaahhh that's why the ebon hawk had similar livery to the republic ships
keep posting bro
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Here is a small Jedi corvette vs sith corvette for force wielding charecters larger than a fighter with room for a crew or like 8-12
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Frick forgot pic
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This is the smallest non-fighter type ship in the republic fleet. Meant for special forces, small crew and a squad of troops for covert and spec ops missions
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>special forces, small crew and a squad of troops
too bad everyone and their mom has their own special ship
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The trooper is supposed to be a spec opps team in the game. Swtor is really a single player KOTOR 3 that you play online but is really a single player game.
A galaxy spanning republic with thousands of worlds would have to thousands of spec opps teams so it’s not that wild of a concept
aaaaahhh that's why the ebon hawk had similar livery to the republic ships
keep posting bro
And this pic is of the Imperial secret agent class, ship is designed to look like a civilian luxury vessel which is basically what you pretended to be on your missions, a rich citizen
>working as a merc for hire
That's a bit stupid, isn't it? Only way a jedi could survive after the purge was either hiding or ignoring the force completely.
depens who hired him
if a massive cartel hired him as a hitman they might be able to offer him protection
safehouses,ships,intel
bribing the correct people ect
aslong as he didnt walk around with a lightsaber he could probably get away with it
you have to imagine in this universe rumours of sith and jedi would be as commonplace as drunks claiming to be seals
if something crazy happens they just ship him out of system
>they 're going to market this shit in memory of Ray Stevenson >it'll probably work
I didn't even know he was dead.
man, working on DisneyWars is really bad for your health. especially when they make plans to suddenly make the marketing about you. that's exactly how it went with Carrie. total side-note character in the first movie and no problems, then they try to make her the most important character in the second movie and she fricking dies before it's even wrapped. did Stevenson at least get to complete his scenes for the season? in any case the story of the show is already ruined unless they recast the character with another actor. if they try to write the character out it'll be a disaster.
Yea that was the goal. Anyways law abiding citizen was funny because they made butler the villain however that kind of backfires. Anyways bush Jr patriot act and dmca started the ball rolling. Obama kept it going. Lots of things went schizo.
They did in Lucas' continuity (AKA, canon), in Disney's moronic fanfiction they just asspull them whenever they need another white man to be an antagonist.
When are you guys going to get how Disney handling of the IP works? Disney Wars is not SW. They own the IP and are making their own MCU like thing with it but you must remember this thing has nothing to do with Lucas vision, canon, intention or whatever so it should not be considered as a continuation of it.
Furthermore it would seem that Disney is not only taking and discarding narrative elements at their own discretion but that they are purposely undermining Lucas work. They have purposely rewrote every victory into a defeat in what seems like an attempt to attack the iconic value of the real SW in order to make room for their own characters and stories.
>Did any Jedi actually die in order 66?
Yes. Only faceless nobodies who died so that numerous ocdonotsteals could escape and lay low and absolutely refuse to help the rebels and Luke Skywalker
The OT centers around like 5 dudes, the rebellion were expanded to be multiple terrorist/ freedom fighting cells that united and fought on multiple fronts. So it kinda makes sense.
Its a massive galaxy out there, not everything has to be centered around the same people nor should more stories be stifled because they don't directly trace back to the OT. That doesn't excuse shit content mind you.
In the new canon it's not even that many I think and most of them are explained
Kanan- was a mere padawan, died
Ezra- wasn't even part of the original order, not fully a Jedi , and spent the time of the ot annoying an autistic smurf man in the other side of the galaxy
Cal- still to early in the story to know how he ends up, likely fricked off to bang his goth gf
Ashoka- well probably learn in this series what she was doing
And I think that's all of them really, or at least the most important ones
The newest game added SEVEN Order 66 survivors. Fricking seven. Cal, Cere, Taron, the inquisitors, Eno, and Bode.
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>newest
just Bode actually, and he's dead
all of those are dead except for Cal lol and he's likely dying by the end of his 3rd game
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Newest game series, there you go. Still ridiculous. Not to mention the time travelling jedi or whatever he was meant to be, but you know who I'm talking about, one armed man. And Vader jobbed to that bald Black person
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>And Vader jobbed to that bald Black person
he killed her m8
but if you meant to say it's a ridiculous scene yes i agree
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Yes, I got carried away. Just hate shit like that.
>Did any Jedi actually die in order 66?
weren't there tens of thousands of active jedi at the time? out of all those it's not hard to assume a handful might have gotten away
i don't think every single one of them was in pic rel's situation of being surrounded by 50 clone troopers
Given the sheer number of Jedi, that's a fairly believable "handful." I don't think it has to be that way, since it's also believable that the Imperial forces would hunt down the rest of the Jedi with or without Vader, but nevertheless. The real problem with all of these "survivors" isn't that their survival is implausible, it's that there's nowhere for their story to go. There are only so many ways to do a good Jedi-in-hiding story, and ultimately they're all constrained by the OT and/or the ST and that leads to stupid shit like Ezra disappearing on space whales because they lack the willpower to kill these characters (which is understandable).
Pattern recognition clearly isn't your thing, but regardless Disney (and Lucasfilm especially) deserve no benefit of the doubt.
It even undermines plot twists at this point; the black woman in Obi Wan was blatantly going to turn out to be a good guy/get redeemed precisely due to intersectional politics.
>Darth Krayt, formerly known as A'Sharad Hett, a Jedi from the prequel era, survived Order 66, survived the OT, survived Luke's New Jedi Order, popped up 130 years after ROTJ as a Sith Lord
>K'Kruhk, Jedi from the prequel era, killed in Clone Wars 2003 by Grievous, retconned into surviving in the Republic comics, left the Jedi, survived Order 66, survived the OT, survived Luke's New Jedi Order, popped up 130 years after ROTJ with his own Jedi Order, mentoring Luke's descendant
>Quinlan Vos, Jedi from the prequel era, killed in Revenge of the Sith comic book during Order 66 (got blown up by a tank), retconned into surviving in the Republic comic books, has an entirely different Order 66 story, survives Order 66 hunt, leaves with his pregnant gf, never dies
You don't know the meaning of the word «kino». Using it for every garbage DeviantArt slop devaluates the term. Please, be responsible with your wording.
>Not as bad as the EU.
At most 80 Jedi survived Order 66. At most 20 Jedi survived the Purge. Less than that outlived the Empire, and several died between Endor and the end of Shadow Hand. The only ones we actually know of that outlived the Empire are Hett, K'Kruhk, and T'ra Saa; that's three, one of whom had abandoned the Jedi path before Endor. Three out of the ten thousand Jedi there were at the beginning of the Clone Wars, that's three percent of one percent. Vergere doesn't count because she left the Order before the Clone Wars began, and Jerec and Qu Rahn predeceased Palpatine.
Also >that filename >canonshilling Black person implying that any "writer's pet" in Legends, including Kal Skirata, is anywhere near as bad as Dave's OC crew
Verification not required.
they need space wizards and people like the space wizards. as you all well know they need other non Luke space wizards to do things and new bad but not really bad space wizards for them to fight. cuz they have to win
am i the only one who thinks that all the "no jedi except luke and obiwan should exist after order 66" is stupid? it's just very creatively limiting and a no fun allowed mindset. would it really ruin the movies if some other jedi was on the other side of the galaxy doing some unrelated shit?
i'm not referring to any of the new side shows i haven't watched them, just theoretically
The main storyline of Star Wars in the Disney era is far to limiting it makes the galaxy feel smaller than fricking earth practically the same 20 people do everything all the time it’s moronic
Too bad Disney just didn’t adapt the old republic stories (as written not pozzed) into their own movies and series while leaving the OT alone
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You are correct. Especially since the villains in Disneywars have been mostly non-whites. This is the first white guy they've had as a villain in a while
To defend them somewhat (and the EU), once Lucas decided that the Jedi existed in the thousands it made some sense that there would be some stragglers. And given the size of the galaxy it also makes sense that there would be thousands of Jedi. I don't think he had that in mind when he made the OT, though. In one of the story conferences he talks about how Vader destroyed the Jedi by doing shit like backstabbing them or leading them into traps on missions.
question for anons who know all the lore and canon stuff:
is Yoda's "Luke when gone am I, the last of the Jedi you will be" considered to be the word of law for canon, or is it just Yoda saying what he believes? is Luke supposed to be the only remaining jedi at the moment of dueling Vader in episode 6? would it ruin the OT if he wasn't? is there a consensus on this?
At that point, Luke's the only one who hasn't flaked on the Order.
i'll rephrase
when Yoda says "there's no one else" do fans react to this by saying >well shit yoda's knowledge is the word of god so this undeniably means luke is now the only jedi in existence
or >well there's no one else according to yoda, which doesn't necessarily mean there's no jedi or former jedi remaining in the whole galaxy
i assume you're asking if yoda's considered to be an unreliable source or whether what he knows is the objective truth
i think there can be surviving jedi at that time period, just none of them being active jedi or ones that would stand against vader
>Obiwan: he was our last hope >yoda: no, there is another
For all the anons jerking off about Yoda: remember he said "once you've fallen to the dark side, forever will it dominate your path." Luke proved both him and Obiwan wrong. He could sense the good when the two of them were blind from their own defeat
>"once you've fallen to the dark side, forever will it dominate your path."
Anakins entire life post PT, including his all too brief life after his redemption, was dominated by the Dark Side.
i haven't watched any of the shows, i saw webms and youtube clips from kenobi and it largely looked terrible
last thing i watched was last jedi in the cinema
is there an official estimated number on who died? Usually the relevant departments of government would make a report on the number of casualties and any mia
People forget how many EU Jedi and Sith survived. Disney isnt close to touching that number. Especially the one jedi master that was bisected and came back from the dead 3x
Doesn't matter if the EU had more, the quality of the Jedi in the EU is way higher than the dogshit OCs from Disney and Filoni. Ahsoka sucks ass and is walled.
>Doesn't matter if...
EU fanbois are beyond cringe. Are you still vandalzing the Wook out of spite for your crusade? Hows the new billboard coming along?
The EU really was frickin dogshit, it’s impressive the shitty Disney movies were so bad people actually have an argument that it was better. That’s so fricking insane to me.
Even now the one major advantage I think the EU has over what Disney-Lucasfilm has put out is just variety. Taken as a whole the EU wasn't nearly as conservative. Within a couple years it was already delving into the ancient past with completely self-contained stories in the Old Republic alongside all the post-ROTJ stuff.
I'd still take Andor over the vast majority of the EU, but it's also the closest in spirit in some ways.
The main thing that I liked about the EU was that there was actually some coherency with the progression of the story. It makes logical sense that the empire would collapse with the death of the emperor and that the remnants of imperial forces won't align under a unified banner due to the lack of a clear line of succession. It makes sense that the Rebellion will undergo some growing pains as it tries to establish itself as a respected government as the New Republic. It makes sense that criminal syndicates would grow in strength amidst the confusion and turmoil. The stories are interesting in that the power roles have reversed and the Republic is now in the position of power while the Imperial Remnant have to resort to asymmetrical attacks like terrorism, stay-behind networks, and espionage. The cherry on top is that all of this progression of the plot is a result of the heroes' accomplishments from the previous films. Just like the prequel movies, for all of their problems, told a unique story that showed the events leading up to the birth of the Empire.
MEANWHILE, disney's take is: >*record scratch* >your heroes accomplishments didn't fricking matter >Somehow, Palpatine returned >the Empire didn't collapse. We'll say that they did, but we splashed a new coat of paint onto them and they still have infinite resources and the good guys are the heckin plucky under-doggerinos >here's a mary-sue fem-luke on not-tatooine. Remember tatooine? Pepperidge farm remembers >remember the death star? Here's the deathier star >memberberies? >PORGS!
You can't convince me that it wouldn't have been a better to decision to take the major events of the EU as a broad roadmap, cleanup the cringe like Luuke or the Emperor's clones, and still have your female badasses with characters like Mara Jade and Jaina.
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it was a lost cause when KK said SW didn't have loads of lore and published material to draw from
11 months ago
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Disney usually only cribs from works that are in the public domain, which has no Star Wars works yet, thanks mostly to Disney.
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I've been listening to the audiobook for Heir to the Empire recently so I can properly seethe at Ahsoka fricking up that period of time specifically, and I can see why people like it. Zahn is usually really good at handling Star Wars without it being too self-referential or silly in a masturbatory meta way, though some goofy shit still comes through; not sure if I can ever hear someone seriously describe the actions of the Millennium Falcon without feeling like Star Wars is just moronic. Moreover, his prose is pretty utilitarian, but way more solid than I could have ever expected from a Star Wars book, so it's not only easy listening while not feeling dumbed-down or poorly composed like Wendig's drivel. Marc Thompson's narration and character facsimiles are also really fricking good (though some voices tread into the realm of caricature at times), and the reading is backed by sound effects and musical refrains from the films, which is kino as frick, though I wish they'd gotten a female to voice the women.
I say all that to say I'm starting to understand why people like these books. We get solid new characters in Thrawn and Joruus, who are a particular delight when they're stuck together. Love the dark Jedi shit, though I can't help but wonder if the original plan of making Joruus an evil Kenobi clown would have been kino or moronic. But yeah, as you said, it mostly makes logical sense and Disney should have taken the story along the same trajectory. HOWEVER, with the added context of the prequels, I don't believe that these should have been the sequels in a perfect world, and I think the timeframe was one of the very few things Disney got right (not that they had a choice). The prequels sort of reframed Star Wars as a generational story, so I'd expect the sequels to deal more closely with Luke and or/Leia's kids while we get dripfed backstory on what's happened over the past several decades.
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The soundtrack bit you mentioned made me remember that for Shadows of the Empire they actually released a soundtrack for a movie that never exists lol
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If you ever get a chance, do yourself a favor and read the X-wing books. Both the Rogue Squadron and the Wraith Squadron ones. The Wraith Squadron is basically the A-Team but with with X-wings. The X-wings books take place during the fall of the Empire and detail a lot of the conflicts against the assorted warlords and the empire's stay-behind network.
There were several books that cover the Solo kids, but a lot of them were young-adult books that probably aren't the best examples of literature in the world and aren't the best that the EU can put forward. Better than Disney shit though. Luke doesn't have a kid until much later in the story. The solo kids have some more serious books during the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, but personally I kind of think that the Vong were kind of dumb. I liked some of the post-vong stuff where Jacen Solo became supreme edge-lord of the galaxy, but then Disney acquired the IP and killed that story line. I'm STILL salty that I'll never get to read "Sword of the Jedi" or see what would end up happening to Ben Skywalker after his sith girlfriend stabbed him in the back (kind of a long story).
11 months ago
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I've got time
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The comics were also pretty good as they were written by the same people as the books
11 months ago
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Is that a e-girl with a riding crop?
nice
11 months ago
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I'm not sure, could be either dicky or just short asian
11 months ago
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Stackpole is a little too obsessed with eretheric rudder wrenching for me, but he does write a tight light fight.
11 months ago
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Corran playing her like a violent violin was one of the best parts of "I, Jedi."
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Combine aspects of the already existing Star Wars post RotJ EU and Kotor 2 and you would have the perfect sequel trilogy. >good guys won but galaxy ravaged by nearly a century of conflict >the empire splintered into warlords and splinter empires >lots of potential for new factions arising as the New Republic is only a fraction of the size of the old republic >a worry that the rebels won the war, but are losing the peace >rebuilding the jedi order is a slow and difficult process, Luke has managed to train a dozen or so disciples with some rudimentary abilities but the son of Han and Leia has most of his focus as a master >the sequel trilogy will focus on a new threat that has formed a triumvirate, hidden from the eyes of the republic an ambitious warlord, a devoted idealist, and an obsessed dark force user is plotting to destroy any remains of the old galactic order, a destruction of both republic and empire, both sith and jedi >rather than just having bigger, larger, and more superweapons and ships every movie try to mix it up a bit, exploring long dead tomb worlds, planets once occupied by ancient civilizations, a massive shipyard building ships the galaxy has never seen before, ocean worlds and massive metropolises that isn't just Coruscant, the possibilities are endless
11 months ago
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Focus groups hated that idea.
11 months ago
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Focus groups don't know what they want.
People will show up anyway because it's Star Wars, each movie will then do better as people actually appreciate the story being told rather than just having to suffer through a worse retelling of the OT
11 months ago
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Why should I believe you rather than my Marketing MBA bearing advisors?
11 months ago
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History has vindicated me.
Star Wars tailor made for focus groups turned into a schizo mess that effectively killed half a dozen movies and any plans of future trilogies for a decade
11 months ago
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Appeal to reality is a logical phallusy; at least that's what my trusted advisors tell me.
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Yep that would have been superior and the obvious choice
You could still have charecters like Kylo, rey, finn but actually give them arcs and shit
It wrote itself
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If I were making the movies in and had to come up with some new plots for current-year, then I would hype up the Imperial remnant as a boogeyman but have different factions act as the main villains in the plot.
>intro text talks about the birth of the New Republic and how Imperial Forces have splintered and have retreated into hiding >name your big-bad, and make her badass warlord like Ice Heart from the EU. Mention how Republic spies have uncovered a plot to develop a bio-weapon to release against republic worlds and have identified a hidden research facility where the terrible virus is being developed >camera pans down to show some Mon Calamari battle-cruisers launching shuttles and X-wings >Have Luke lead a team of Republic Commandos into the facility while Rogue Squadron fights Tie Fighters overhead. >The empire gets their shit pushed in, but their head researcher, a Dr. Mengele stand-in, escapes on some fancy stealth shuttle >find clues that the test subjects were likely slaves from Hutt space >back at Coruscant, Leia explains that they just can't send a Republic fleet into Hutt space because of fragile political situations that prevent the Republic from infringing on other nations. >Han, Luke, and Chewie independently continue the hunt without Republic support by reaching out to some of Han's old contacts from his swashbuckling smuggler days. >lots of focus on the Hutts and slavery being bad >The gang breaks into the Hutt facility and finds proof of collusion with the Empire which gives the Republic casus beli to intervene. They also kick off a slave uprising because slavery bad. >introduce some new Dark Force user who executes Dr. Mengele for being such a failure by killing him with his own virus. >New Republic fleet arrives during the slave uprising. >Darth Newguy escapes during the confusion
>Liberate a bunch of slaves, and everyone is happy
It's handwaved as something like the saber isn't generating heat but is exciting the molecules of the metal like a microwave to cause it to melt. Besides his fingers are like two whole inches away from the melting slag of the blast door anyway.
absorb/dissipate energy
that is how it would be explained in the WEG version of the Star Wars table top RPG.
The best version I might add. If you ever want to role play star wars use that game.
The D6 system is superior to the later D20 system.
homie, nobody cares about your "well aktually"... this is a franchise about space wizards and giant death balls.
If you want to make an argument for the consistency of orange lightsabers pull from the established lore of legends to defend the shitty looking blade (there are examples here) or STFU.
Plo Koon got killed in his ship, ambiguously not white chick killed on speeder bike, dickhead guy shot to death, blue hot alien b***h shot in the back, and I assume it's implied that most of the Jedi are killed between Episodes 3 and 4.
He did, prequels imply many Jedi survived they’d obviously not all be in a position to combat the empire nor feel any universal imperative to do so, a lot of them probably just ran
The inquisitorious also feels like something George would’ve come up with at some point
how many named jedi are there running around after the purge anyway who are alive at the time of the OT? according to the current "canon"?
Obiwan but he's hiding
Luke is an infant
Cal Kestis is a padawan who already noped out of rebuilding the order, likely dead by the time OT
Ahsoka left the order already, dunno if she dies
this new dude will likely die too or never appear again (i mean the actor died)
doesn't seem there's that many. there's inquisitors but do people really count those as "surviving jedi'?
Ahsoka survives the OT
Kanan dies during OT timeline
Cal is basically out of the picture already (they can’t get to him, he doesn’t have to leave)
Ezra is MIA
Baby yoda is MIA by the time of TLJ, no idea what to think there
Taron died during OT
Cere and Cordova both died to Vader
Bode died
Most of them dropped dead over time or were hunted down given what the Obi wan show showed us
>The Rebels getting a Jedi on their side helped turn the tide of battle against the Empire >Luke becoming a full fledged Jedi was a really big deal as he could now face Vader & The Emperor >Luke falling to the Dark Side meant the end of the Rebellion >LOL NOPE NOT REALLY THERE WERE 500 JEDI WORKING WITH THE REBELS AND THEYVE BEEN WINNING THE WAR LONG BEFORE LUKE CAME ALONG
I'm not sure how planned out the multimedia approach is (probably not at all), but Jedi Survivor seems to be setting up a planet that requires a special device to access by essentially flying through a black hole that Cal plans to bring a bunch of people and Jedi to, so I'm wondering if the majority of these guys will just be MIA hanging on that planet not giving a shit until they hear the empire is toppled. Or you could spin it as they were planning something but Luke got it done first by virtue of being Space Christ's child and not having to worry about collaborating with a bunch of other people.
Survivor ends with the group cal planned to do that with scattered to the winds and the only other Jedi he knows dead. It’s just his squatting location to frick Merrin until the war is over, and his legion of half jedi half night sister spawn emerge to confront the galaxy. Dude better get busy.
>It’s just his squatting location to frick Merrin
I'm beyond shocked that nu-Wars had the balls to actually show anything as unambiguously romantic as Cal and Merrin's relationship since Disney is so hellbent on making all of its characters asexual. These two Jedi games have had the best characters and plots out of anything created under Disney's ownership, which should be fricking appalling and is annoying because game dev cycles take so long.
The soundtrack bit you mentioned made me remember that for Shadows of the Empire they actually released a soundtrack for a movie that never exists lol
Hell yeah, I remember this. SotE was wild and super unprecedented. I was in the perfect age bracket for it and gobbled up literally everything I could. The IG-88 fight in the game gave me insane anxiety. The Wampas too.
It wasn’t without substantial struggle because the writer they contracted to make a book between games tried to make her a lesbian and respawn had to ignore it.
If you ever get a chance, do yourself a favor and read the X-wing books. Both the Rogue Squadron and the Wraith Squadron ones. The Wraith Squadron is basically the A-Team but with with X-wings. The X-wings books take place during the fall of the Empire and detail a lot of the conflicts against the assorted warlords and the empire's stay-behind network.
There were several books that cover the Solo kids, but a lot of them were young-adult books that probably aren't the best examples of literature in the world and aren't the best that the EU can put forward. Better than Disney shit though. Luke doesn't have a kid until much later in the story. The solo kids have some more serious books during the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, but personally I kind of think that the Vong were kind of dumb. I liked some of the post-vong stuff where Jacen Solo became supreme edge-lord of the galaxy, but then Disney acquired the IP and killed that story line. I'm STILL salty that I'll never get to read "Sword of the Jedi" or see what would end up happening to Ben Skywalker after his sith girlfriend stabbed him in the back (kind of a long story).
I'll check them out, thanks. I was never deep into the Star Wars EU so I trust when people say the Vong are stupid, but the concept of an extra-galactic race invading seems like a logical step in upping the stakes at some point. In a similar vein, I know people are mostly unimpressed with the storylines he's involved with, but I always thought Cade Skywalker was an interesting concept for a take on the Skywalker lineage, being a drug addict burnout.
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I thought Star Wars Legacy was hilarious because of how much the author seemingly favors the empire over the republic
11 months ago
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sexo Blue
11 months ago
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Comics Cade appears in are great but I recommend reading the previous Dark Horse comic series first starting with also great KotOR comics.
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> but the concept of an extra-galactic race invading seems like a logical step in upping the stakes at some point.
Personally I think that the execution of the vong was kind of stupid and awkward. They had some weird thing where they were invisible to the force, but also managed to breed some kind of special dogs that were force detectors. They had this obsession with pain and self mutilation that I felt was cringey. I also felt that their weapons were weird since they had these weird snakes that would stiffen into quarterstaves that would bite people and were resistant to being cut by light-sabers for some reason. They also had these beetles that they would throw at people and the beetles would accelerate themselves to bullet speeds. I was a kid when I read those books and it just seemed so fricking out of place.
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> but the concept of an extra-galactic race invading seems like a logical step in upping the stakes at some point.
Personally I think that the execution of the vong was kind of stupid and awkward. They had some weird thing where they were invisible to the force, but also managed to breed some kind of special dogs that were force detectors. They had this obsession with pain and self mutilation that I felt was cringey. I also felt that their weapons were weird since they had these weird snakes that would stiffen into quarterstaves that would bite people and were resistant to being cut by light-sabers for some reason. They also had these beetles that they would throw at people and the beetles would accelerate themselves to bullet speeds. I was a kid when I read those books and it just seemed so fricking out of place.
The Vong were naturally the conclusion of what would happen if the Infinite Empire/Sith Triumphant was never stopped. Basically their entire species is a wound in the force and they solely exist to consume/destroy everything. I've never heard anyone complain about them being too edgy, the only real complaints I've heard are people b***hing about how it would be too hard to film that arch. Thematically, they fit into the Dark Empire and prequels quite well...
>I'm beyond shocked that nu-Wars had the balls to actually show anything as unambiguously romantic as Cal and Merrin's relationship since Disney is so hellbent on making all of its characters asexual. These two Jedi games have had the best characters and plots out of anything created under Disney's ownership
the people in charge of tv/film are not the same people as the ones making videogames that happen to belong to the same IP, it's not that surprising
don't get me wrong it's all israelites anyway, but two different tribes of israelites and it was inevitable that one tribe has better writers than the other (though it's utterly embarrassing that the worse writers are the ones in charge of the more important film/tv side)
i don't mind the idea of some jedi surviving by hiding or severing their connection to the force or operating in ways the empire won't really detect or retiring
making them all actively bump into each other while fighting the empire head on is dumb though
Rey should have been the offspring of Aayla and Palpatine. Palpi would have no doubt have scouted out the hottest jedi to keep for himself. How easy would it have been to retcon Aayla being shot with her being stunned a bunch of times.
I don't mind how nu-Wars handles it: >The surviving Jedi from Order 66 either weren't with clone troopers, not fighters or got lucky >A few instances try to rebel which get stomped out by Vader training other padawans and Jedi to weed them out >Vader kills them off over time as they do their job >Surviving Jedi by that point don't want to fight Vader, go frick off, hide, do other stuff >Empire runs the disinformation campaign they're crazy occult space wizards: if you hear someone say the force, report them and get a free empire biscuit
There aren’t that many canon major player jedi left after yidsney wiped it. The big names are like 10 people, it’s the rebels crew and Ahsoka (3 Jedi and Maul) on and off fighting thrawn, the blind guy in rogue one who isn’t even a Jedi, just a force practitioner (who dies), the fallen order crew (4 Jedi, an ancient one that was asleep, Taron, and 1 sister), and maybe a few others.
Nearly all of them do, only Ezra, Ahsoka, Cal, and Merrin are still alive as of now. So add the OT Jedi to the list and it’s <15 known people. Ezra may as well be dead because he took thrawn somewhere and neither of them are active anymore so by the end of the war only Cal, Merrin, and Ahsoka are still around.
if Cal somehow survives his games (doubt it), watch as Filoni actually summons him into the TV shows and kills him off so Ahsoka can remain the only one standing
Im pretty sure he and Merrin will, for the same reason Ahsoka even got a show in the first fricking place. Or why you can hear Kanan talking for some reason at the climax of Rise of Skywalker. They are legitimately desperate to get recognizable characters that are popular that they haven’t completely fricked up yet to try and have them take the reins. Cal is based on a real actor so he can be made the hero of a show very easily, and Ezra is basically Luke-Lite but with a little better characterization when it comes to being tempted toward actually embracing the dark side (something that never really seemed possible for Luke even in ROTJ). Ahsoka got the show because they have nothing else anymore. Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re now seriously considering making the franchise centered around her and Ezra since them and Cal literally are the only 3 characters they have anyone even cares about.
Cal will probably survive to retire with Merrin or some shit. If he dies or turns to the dark side, that would result in a game trilogy of literally everyone dying or becoming evil and I just can't see nuWars having the balls to do that. Plus it's be ridiculous if his 2nd game was called Survivor and then he died in the 3rd game.
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He has to die for the film canon, they'll probably do it off screen tho
The Ahsoka one is so dumb. It makes no sense for her to be an active jedi during the Galactic Civil War and not turning up when everyone starts talking about a boy called Skywalker who blows up the Death Star.
You either need to put her in stasis for about 20 years or make up some other good reason for why she isn't around.
If you put me in charge of Star Wars I would try to piss off Filoni by having her confront Vader, learn he is Anakin, and become corrupted because of grief and anger.
Have Filoni have to suffer through his waifu becoming a crazed psycho that starts hounding the Skywalker post RotJ
Only the unpopular ones like Kit Fisto or Po Klum
Kit Fisto didn't die in Order 66, Palpatine personally lopped him in half.
and Ack Troon
good one, you made me laugh
>Kit Fisto
He got wasted like a complete padawan by The Senate.
how do you counter Grievous just spinning multiple sabers in your face like a helicopter? seems op
force powers, he's just a glorified half droid wielding lightsabers, why everyone keeps trying to duel him instead of doing what windu did is beyond me
You mean crushing his chest?
Shoot him
Choke him
Attack as a group
He’s one of maybe like 2 or 3 people that can actually just casually stand against Jedi. The other 2 were Cad and Jango. Claiming anyone else is just a lie, even top tier mandalorians jobbed to Old Maul and Jedi on the reg.
>Shoot him
>Choke him
>Attack as a group
Boil him
Mash him
Stick him in a stew
Kek
But the old clone wars cartoon described the actual reason grevious was dangerous (and why cad and Jango were as well)
They ambushed and struck fear and intimidated them, they didn’t ever meet them straight up. Grievous was big and flashy and Cad intentionally brought an annoying little robot to the fight so it’d jump on them and get in their face and shit.
TCW is such dogshit it's unreal.
gayloni asked George Lucas if he could have Plo Koon survive Order 66 (despite us seeing him clearly get killed onscreen). George said no.
>the bad guy is a White man
How original, how daring.
He and the girl are both clones
you can't clone jedi right
Sometimes they can, sometimes they can't. Depends on the series.
The gay writers at Disney can do whatever they feel like
They've broken this "rule" so many times now, both in old and new canon, that it really is meaningless at this point.
What are some cloned Jedi in new canon?
have you not seen any of the movies anon? snoke and rey's parents are failed clones of palpatine
Luuke proves otherwise
Wasn't he mad as a hatter?
Both Luuke and Joruus were completely insane. X2 is the only clone Jedi that didn't go completely batshit. Even the droid they programmed Anakin Solo's personality into went crazy.
>you can't clone jedi right
The end of Mando S3 featured a bunch of clones Black Vader Man made by mixing his own genes with baby yeed.
>"Am I a joke to you?"
That old man ain't right.
If a million Jedi died probably 100 survived and then cut that number in half for the huntings after so like 50 survived
Isn't the number of jedi regularly listed as being about 10 000?
Why are they adding complexity where there needn't be any.
Almost all Jedi should have died during order 66, why complicate things.
What did obi-wan do on Tatooine? Fricking nothing, why should their be enough content for a tv show.
Give us cool new stuff not this low stakes between trilogies shit.
>Give us cool new stuff not this low stakes between trilogies shit.
no one talented is hired these days bro
we're literally told we're too good to work on this shit and they hire 'diverse' morons who can't write because that's what showrunners want
the days of merit have been gone since the late 90s
>Almost all Jedi should have died during order 66, why complicate things.
Darth Vader hunted down the rest.
>WHITE MAN EVIL
WOWZERS AMAZING WRITING
And they could literally just make any character an alien if they wanted to.
have you seen how shitty their makeup is
Isn't Palpatine israeli though so it balances out
There were 10,000 Jedi before order 66, even if we knew of as many as a 100 that survived, that would mean order 66 had a 99% success rate. Much less than that are currently known to have survived though
Lucas himself confirmed that there might have been at least 100 or more jedi that survived, however most of them were hunted down, hid, completely abandoned the order and its ideals or even severed themselves from the force so while jedi individuals still lived the order itself as well the ideals surrounding it were dead
The Dark Horse comics where Vader hunted down and killed the surviving Jedi were so freaking kino.
Lucas said there were about 50-100 Jedi around post-RotJ, or at least that was his intention for the sequel trilogy.
Nice fake quote you got there, homosexual.
>le darth maul lived!
Nope, Filoni Wars was never canon.
>Filoni Wars was never canon
At this point im convinced only ANH and ESB is canon for you autistic morons
All six of Lucas' films along with the Genndy cartoon and the Dark Horse comics and video games that I like are canon.
>the Genndy cartoon
Not canon.
>the Dark Horse comics and video games that I like are canon
Not canon.
Go be a nerd somewhere else, homosexual. The stuff I like is canon, the stuff I dislike isn't, and I dislike all of Disney Wars.
Shit you like is not canon, son. I am sorry. Not to George, not to Disney.
If canon as a word doesn't refer to the stuff that I like, then it is a worthless term.
Things exist outside of you. The world doesn't revolve around you. *You* are meaningless and do not have authority or power over anything.
Not that anon but I agree with him on
also The universe revolves around me. People only have souls when I will them to have souls in my mind, meaning the only people that actually exist are those that I consider my friends and family. Morality is objective insofar as whatever I believe to be moral is what’s objectively moral. Anything that I don’t care about is a gay hobby and anything that I do care about is of the utmost importance. Me thinking about how others view me would be paradoxical because they necessarily must either be liked by me in which case they have a soul or are not liked/unknown to me in which case they do not. I don’t make any attempt to view the world from the perspective of others because my perspective is the only one I’ll ever have to live with and therefor the only one that matters to me. Even if everything I’ve said is supposedly false I don’t care and will still act as though it is because reality is shaped by my own thoughts, not the other way around. If there is an external God then he must refuse to show himself because he is afraid of what I would hold him accountable to. If there isn’t an external God then I must be God myself.
I just want you to know I appreciate the effort you put into this post. A hearty kek was had. Thank you anon
in a profit based model the customer is king. fans ultimately decide what is what after the original creator is gone.
Disney just owns the IP, they created nothing and are clearly mismanaging the frick out of it
Lets be real here Disney throwing it all out was peak moronation BUT a lot of the og EU shit was also moronation of the highest order.
Star Wars shouldn’t have an absolute canon, there should be some vague rules but a tiered canon should have been the approach, the fact that literally everything is canon is stupid.
Imagine pretending anyone respects or recognises Disney lore as canon in 2023, homies really be on that larp grindset
Based
>B-But corpo has a piece of paper that says the slop they mak-
No
Lucas hired Genndy to connect Ep II and Ep III, he only changed his mind and replaced him with Filoni when Genndy decided he didn't want to commit his life to Star Wars
Genndy show was an experiment. It was never canon. Lucas did not write any of it and did not pay much attention to it, which is also indicated by how drastically different Grievous was as a character. It was mostly a toy ad for Hasbro and a testing ground for Star Wars in animated form.
>George Lucas: Well, the Genndy show was an experiment that we did with Cartoon Network that was 5 minutes each, they went sort of where commercials normally go, and it was an experiment, not only in doing five-minute shows, but it was an experiment in trying to translate "Star Wars" into an animated medium, and we felt very good about that. We thought it turned out really well, and we then took it to the next level, which was to do a full-out animated series of "The Clone Wars." There's not much overlap. Genndy did most of the animation and most of the stories for the first experimental series, and this one I'm pretty much following the mythology and the rules of the features, so it's a little bit different, but it's very much like the features except it's in animation.
>Muh canon
Who cares homosexual. We never cared about what was and wasn't canon in the 90s. Material that was good was adopted, material that was cringe was ignored. Frick you Black person
>you must be sincerely convinced the gif you've just posted is actually good
Grim.
>Df2 bad
Shut up moron
>severed themselves from the force
Interesting
representation is all that matters
negative representation is bad representation
therefore it is intentional and not even a conspiracy
I mean if we go off the lore that there were thousands of Jedi it’s safe to assume several escaped
But it’s also Disney being incapable of setting Star Wars outside of any time frame that isn’t between the prequels and the new sequels because they want to t try to marvel tie everything together
>I want Star Wars to be visually boring
Every single Star Wars villain since Disney purchased the property has been a White man wearing black clothes.
Come on man you’re completely off base
ARE WE BLIND?
you may not like the truth but that fit is one of the hardest in all of star wars
>the white man is in white clothes and the black one is in black clothes
Man I hope that poster got fired for that blunder.
>a white man wearing black clothes
uh-huh
doesn't count, the respawn games should be treated as a separate thing
>is literally part of the nu-canon
>t-that doesn't count!
Lol
Also, what about Phasma, Moff Gideon, and Reva?
I don't know who any of those people are. I watched The Force Awakens and it was total dogshit so I never watched another piece of Disney Wars afterwards. I've seen all you homosexuals post pictures of the evil White Imperials and nu-Imperials, though. You're not going to gaslight me.
Phasma was in the Force Awakens, and was a female wearing silver armor.
And no, I'm not gaslighting you. Here's some of the villains that Star Wars had in the last 5 or so years.
Okay, now I know you're lying because I saw the webms where that black chick does a heelturn and fights against Vader in the Obiwan show. Going to disregard everything else you've said.
Not long after that she goes and attempts to kill Luke Skywalker. She's not portrayed as a good guy.
Meanwhile, literally every single imperial and villain under George Lucas was a white guy.
Darth Maul, General Greivous, and Jabba the Hutt are not White men.
Grand Moff Tarkin, Darth Vader, The Emperor, Count Dooku, and the entire Imperial High Command were, however.
And they were all cool. There's a difference between cool White men villains, and simpering homosexuals like Kylo Ren and Hux who are just there to look stupid and cringy. Darth Vader was cool, The Emperor was cool, Count Dooku was cool. Moff Tarkin was also badass, and didn't start crying or screaming when he lost.
They are honorary white
Trilla a cute. Shame that annoying nigress didn't die instead of her
I could've fixed her
>the blue alien
why did they stick a men in black character in the show
IMPLYING bottom right was a villain.
She was the antagonist of the series, yes.
Nah, it was the other intelligence Imps who were poo-pooing her correct conclusions.
>two Black folk are from side projects
>blonde b***h is literally designed to look Aryan
>Cad Bane is EU in origin
>brown b***h was also a side project
Anything mainstream?
Cad Bane wasn't even the main villain of the Boba Fett show, it was some White crime lord guy.
I know but the point is that Cad Bane is an EU/Legends character who crossed over into Disney. Anyone using him as an excuse for nu-Star Wars is moronic
He wasn't an EU/Legends character, he was a TCW character.
How is this a white guy?
Filonishit.
It is but the guy I replied to said that the main villain for bobf was a white guy, I don’t know what white guys look like were you live that does not look like a white guy. Hell I think there was only two white guys in the entire show (Sheriff Bullock and water merchant)
I'm not going to watch that crap to find out where and to what extent White men were demonized in it, but I'm sure they were.
he's white-coded
Pykes are asian coded tho
>t-those don't count
Cope
>cope
You've still not proven your point... you're just showing examples of why you're wrong and calling it a W. Twitter is that way you moronic Black personhomosexual
>all Disney Star Wars villains have been white guys wearing black
>gets shown that it's not the case
>UHM those don't count
Keep coping
That was a late reply... I had enough time to go visit my grandma, have lunch and get back home. Your only response is to parrot the same redundant point and use a Twitter buzzword that fell out of use half a decade ago. Thank you for proving my point Black personhomosexual, since I know you tourists have a biological need to get the last word I'll wait another two hours and then maybe you'll work up the courage to parrot the same BS again
>>Cad Bane is EU in origin
Cade Bane is Filonishit, TCW was never part of the EU.
Yeah, they are so shit that they're even worse than the usual disney shit. I'd separate them too.
ah hello again
that's a video game you moron
Not that I want to defend disney but
They put Gus Fring in Star Wars? That's stupid for a whole different reason.
yeah he was this mastermind general but also a complete evil moron who kills all his own men for no reason due to complete strategic incompetence
>who kills all his own men for no reason
I can't stand that shit.
He's actually an actor playing a character, not a real drug lord
Thing is, his previous role as Gus Fring is the only reason they'd dare cast him as a villain. If a generic actor of his ethnicity was brought in, it would almost certainly be in a rebel role.
Nu-wars hates aliens and don't think they would be taken as seriously as a human character in big roles.
>now the israelites are promoting beastiality!
what would be said if they used these designs
I don't care, I want aliens.
I'm not the one who started the idpol war. Don't get mad at me for defending myself.
NO! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LIE DOWN AND DIE, have a nice day, YOU CAN'T FIGHT BACK, THAT'S CHEATING, DIE, WHITEY, DIE!
>war
>defending myself
>FIGHT BACK
God you sound like absolute little pussies, what the frick is happening to men?
Defending yourself? A war? You're commenting anonymously on fricking Cinemaphile of all places, is that seriously what you consider a war? Did you even try out for the army? Once? It's mandatory for men in my country because we're not pussies
But no, you're here crying that they made a white guy evil in a Disney fanfiction of zombie Star Wars
absolute fricking pussies, these are the people recommending (you) movies in this shithole
>a real man cares about nothing and allows all the things he likes to be taken away and muddied
Lmao, yeah, nah. Go be a stoic cuck somewhere else.
>allows all the things he likes to be taken away and muddied
Oh yes the children's franchise that was already killed by it's own creator, you won't ALLOW them? really? by b***hing on Cinemaphile?
And it's not being stoic you fricking mutt, it's not calling a literal non-issue a war like any of this matters.
You're an anon replying to a thread about fanfiction, you're not fighting anything or "Not allowing" anything, you can't affect these decisions at all
Not caring about things is only cool if you're a Redditor. Go watch Rick and Morty or something, you gay gay.
you can care you Black person, just don't be a little b***h about it, grow a fricking spine
I'll grow a spine down your throat, homosexual. And that spine will be my wiener.
the younglings
>Ahsoka TV show
I can't believe there are people who'll watch this and I like SW.
>Old movie canon
>Luke is literally the last Jedi in a Galaxy full of white people
>Disney canon
>Millions of racially diverse Jedi are out there but for some reason they can’t beat Darth Vader and are never mentioned in the movies
Why not just fricking set everything in the future? Is it really that important for some stupid OCs to fight Darth Vader? And no the ST doesn’t count because that was just a carbon copy of the OT.
Agree, why even limit to the future, set it in the past, I'm sure people would much prefer stories about people fighting cool new dark siders, rather than fighting a c tier inquisitor and then getting a heckin look at Darth Vader, or insert some other reoccurring character.
Star Wars is technologically stagnant from what I know, so its not like it would be something radically different.
No, frick that. Autistic dipshits reeeing about muh Revan, muh Bane, muh Sith Empire can go to hell. Forward into the future and force the people in charge to actually get creative.
>force the people in charge to actually get creative.
They paid four billion credits for this IP so they wouldn't have to think up anything new, anon.
>They paid four billion credits for this IP so they wouldn't have to think up anything new, anon.
Disney bought Star Wars so they could ruin it precisely so that it wouldn't become a cultural institution. They literally paid that money knowing they'd destroy it.
>attributing to malice what can much more easily be attributed to stupidity and incompetence
Easily? Sure if you're intellectually lazy and stupid. Disney is not this incompetent, though, and it's 100% being done with malice or you're not paying attention. The fact is they bought Star Wars to control it and degrade it because they hate the entire concept of "fandom". It's been this way since the late 70's.
lol ok i guess disney bought star wars just to ruin it for Cinemaphileners and because they wanted to lose 5 billion dollars
>for Cinemaphileners
Cinemaphileners =/= the entirety of fandom by a long shot and "Jedi" ending up on census forms scared and infuriated these corporations. If anyone is going to start weird cults, it's going to be them and they're going to do it for politics / the state. Which by the way is exactly what we're seeing. 5 billion dollars is a small price to pay to co-opt something like that.
they need Vader to be a jobber for another TV show, chud
It's beyond moronic Obi Wan beat Vader AGAIN when he's supposedly at the height of his power, it would make no sense for Obi Wan not to finish him, but he can't because of canon
Honestly every scene with Vader since Rogue One has tarnished his character more and more, games, shows and movies
Rogue One was terrible, and the Vader scene in that was embarrassing. You should honestly have a nice day.
Anything that makes vadergays seethe is okay in my book
Vader's last good screen appearance was in 1983.
Luke is never "the last Jedi" in any of the movies.
He's the only hope outside Leia of defeating Vader because he's his son and can thus reach him emotionally.
There seems to be an implication in the title RETURN OF THE JEDI.
Anon, Anakin is the Jedi who returns.
Yes, they gave away his redemption in the title. Of course they did.
>Luke when gone am I. The last of the Jedi you will be.
How many other new Jedi were being trained during the OT era?
bump
Except Yoda and Kenobi are known manipulators. "From a certain point of view" characters like Ahsoka aren't Jedi at that point.
Old movie canon and Disney canon don't really touch on other force users.
The old EU and the Disney EU both do the moronic muh 6,000,000 surviving Jedi.
In the original canon there were a few Jedi survivors but 99% of them just dropped off the face of the Earth and never went back...
As long as you weren't an obvious/autistic moron the Empire would basically leave you alone.
>>Old movie canon
>>Luke is literally the last Jedi in a Galaxy full of white people
i don't want Black folk in my media either but why are we now pretending there weren't any of them before disney? what about mace windu?
The only two Black folk in Star Wars prior to Disney was a sociopathic Black person who refused a POW a fair trial and a backstabbing thief who literally stole the clothes off his best-friend's back.
>caption
That's all there was in the Falcon's slop chest, dozens of Solo's iconic outfit.
Honestly killing every single jedi in existence in order 66 would've been next to impossible. What happens to a small squad of 3 stormtroopers that receive the order and have to kill the jedi in front of them? Pretty good chance that jedi might survive. It's normal to assume a handful might have survived among the 10,000 that existed at the time.
Back when Star Wars was cool, there were really good comics that showed Vader hunting down and killing off the surviving Jedi one by one.
>What happens to a small squad of 3 stormtroopers that receive the order and have to kill the jedi in front of them?
We even saw that, with Yoda.
The reason the jedi got fricked up is because most Jedi at that time were mid/low tier droid bait due to most of the experienced Knights dying at Geonosis. Also it was a stab in the back kinda thing, no one actually suspected it for some stupid reason...
IIRC, most Jedi weren't actually that good at combat. Almost like how most modern police forces are trained in how to use their firearms but most of them never fire a shot throughout their entire career and in many cases they don't actually get much practice on the range compared to civilians that shoot as a hobby.
They've got their fancy magic force powers stacking the deck pretty heavily in their favor, which made them all more than capable of handling themselves in self defense under normal circumstances, but by and large most Jedi were better described as being diplomats, mediators, and healers than as combatants.
> What happens to a small squad of 3 stormtroopers that receive the order and have to kill the jedi in front of them?
Some would succumb to the sucker punch, but I'd wager that most would survive the initial 3-man betrayal. However where most of them would falter is defeating or escaping from an entire war machine suddenly executing a man-hunt for them. They probably don't have contingency plans to be betrayed on that scale and then independently escape with little to no resources of their own. The few that still manage to escape from the man-hunts will all either be lucky or exceptional in some way. Most simply didn't have the necessary experience or training to survive or escape capture on their own.
I meant to use pic related as an example of something a lone jedi would struggle with. Those spheres are gravity well generators that prevent hyperspace jumps. A lone man likely wouldn't be able to do jack shit about that while the rest of the war machine is trying to kill him. Unfortunately it's an Empire era ship and I don't think the Republic fielded an equivalent. Just an example how fancy powers won't solve everything.
>I don't think the Republic fielded an equivalent
Per the EU, hyperspace mining was standard practice by the GAR and CIS. Interdiction technology existed, but the Empire were the ones to bring it to its full potential.
The Rebel version on the Interdictor was a goofy looking modification of a Strike Cruiser.
Sorry somehow didn’t say my rant
The old republic actually made a specific new design aesthetic for the republic vs the empire (and other political groups like mandelore)
Pic is smaller republic fleet ships, first pic is their standard cruiser equivalent of a star destroyer
aaaaahhh that's why the ebon hawk had similar livery to the republic ships
keep posting bro
Here is a small Jedi corvette vs sith corvette for force wielding charecters larger than a fighter with room for a crew or like 8-12
Frick forgot pic
This is the smallest non-fighter type ship in the republic fleet. Meant for special forces, small crew and a squad of troops for covert and spec ops missions
>special forces, small crew and a squad of troops
too bad everyone and their mom has their own special ship
The trooper is supposed to be a spec opps team in the game. Swtor is really a single player KOTOR 3 that you play online but is really a single player game.
A galaxy spanning republic with thousands of worlds would have to thousands of spec opps teams so it’s not that wild of a concept
And this pic is of the Imperial secret agent class, ship is designed to look like a civilian luxury vessel which is basically what you pretended to be on your missions, a rich citizen
If this guy’s putting himself out there to be hired, wouldn’t he be the prime target for an Inquisitorial mercing?
>working as a merc for hire
That's a bit stupid, isn't it? Only way a jedi could survive after the purge was either hiding or ignoring the force completely.
depens who hired him
if a massive cartel hired him as a hitman they might be able to offer him protection
safehouses,ships,intel
bribing the correct people ect
aslong as he didnt walk around with a lightsaber he could probably get away with it
you have to imagine in this universe rumours of sith and jedi would be as commonplace as drunks claiming to be seals
if something crazy happens they just ship him out of system
The Ahsoka show takes place after the fall of the Empire, no need for Jedi to hide anymore
they got plo koon 🙁
We never saw a body
A parenthesic journalist once asked that about the parenthesiscaust.
Oh he died suddenly? How many coof vaccines did he get?
Pullo is fricking dead??
Nah, frick this.
I didn't even know he was dead.
man, working on DisneyWars is really bad for your health. especially when they make plans to suddenly make the marketing about you. that's exactly how it went with Carrie. total side-note character in the first movie and no problems, then they try to make her the most important character in the second movie and she fricking dies before it's even wrapped. did Stevenson at least get to complete his scenes for the season? in any case the story of the show is already ruined unless they recast the character with another actor. if they try to write the character out it'll be a disaster.
kek
He just died last week 🙁
>they 're going to market this shit in memory of Ray Stevenson
>it'll probably work
I thought he was old Anakin from another timeline?
How about telling us the last time you saw a black woman or even a man as a major villain?
Training day and law abiding citizen however white man was supposed to be the villain
>names two movies, one from 2001 and the other 2009
>literally two decades ago
Holy shit lmao thank you for proving his point
Yea that was the goal. Anyways law abiding citizen was funny because they made butler the villain however that kind of backfires. Anyways bush Jr patriot act and dmca started the ball rolling. Obama kept it going. Lots of things went schizo.
The black chick in the Suicide Squad movies. Get owned chud
The recent guardians of the galaxy? A black villain and arguably the most evil in MCU history
Obi Won
Black Panther
Aquaman
The evil rich guy in the first nu Planet of the Apes movie
Electro got blackwashed
Baron Mordo got blackwashed
Hobbs and Shaw
They did in Lucas' continuity (AKA, canon), in Disney's moronic fanfiction they just asspull them whenever they need another white man to be an antagonist.
When are you guys going to get how Disney handling of the IP works? Disney Wars is not SW. They own the IP and are making their own MCU like thing with it but you must remember this thing has nothing to do with Lucas vision, canon, intention or whatever so it should not be considered as a continuation of it.
Furthermore it would seem that Disney is not only taking and discarding narrative elements at their own discretion but that they are purposely undermining Lucas work. They have purposely rewrote every victory into a defeat in what seems like an attempt to attack the iconic value of the real SW in order to make room for their own characters and stories.
It truly is disgusting.
>gaslighting
Well, like this hasn't gotten old.
Damn it frodo,you really are the man.
I don't think Elijah is talking about Star Wars.
https://twitter.com/elijahwood/status/1229632586760081409
Everything I personally dislike is shit.
>A good guy who became bad
Sounds cool. Too bad the rest of the show will be utter dogshit. If this were the 90s it would have had real potential
Order 66 was always a sloppy plan. Let's sneak up on the precogs and shoot them a lot. They were lucky it worked as well as it did.
Palpatine was somehow blocking their ability to perceive the future. It's an asspull but they do at least mention it in the film.
They did? There was vague 'clouded' blah blah, but nothing specific about 66.
Yoda & Obi-Wan did successfully put out a signal telling Jedi to stay away from...everything.
>Did any Jedi actually die in order 66?
Yes. Only faceless nobodies who died so that numerous ocdonotsteals could escape and lay low and absolutely refuse to help the rebels and Luke Skywalker
fair point, how come no one has asked any of these characters wtf they were doing during the rebellion?
Because Luke Skywalker is a Chud and they were waiting for Rey and Ahsoka
The OT centers around like 5 dudes, the rebellion were expanded to be multiple terrorist/ freedom fighting cells that united and fought on multiple fronts. So it kinda makes sense.
Its a massive galaxy out there, not everything has to be centered around the same people nor should more stories be stifled because they don't directly trace back to the OT. That doesn't excuse shit content mind you.
I'm not saying they can't exist, its just lazy writing that they dont ever acknowledge it. Not even a "where were you", "oh I was hiding"
In the new canon it's not even that many I think and most of them are explained
Kanan- was a mere padawan, died
Ezra- wasn't even part of the original order, not fully a Jedi , and spent the time of the ot annoying an autistic smurf man in the other side of the galaxy
Cal- still to early in the story to know how he ends up, likely fricked off to bang his goth gf
Ashoka- well probably learn in this series what she was doing
And I think that's all of them really, or at least the most important ones
The newest game added SEVEN Order 66 survivors. Fricking seven. Cal, Cere, Taron, the inquisitors, Eno, and Bode.
>newest
just Bode actually, and he's dead
all of those are dead except for Cal lol and he's likely dying by the end of his 3rd game
Newest game series, there you go. Still ridiculous. Not to mention the time travelling jedi or whatever he was meant to be, but you know who I'm talking about, one armed man. And Vader jobbed to that bald Black person
>And Vader jobbed to that bald Black person
he killed her m8
but if you meant to say it's a ridiculous scene yes i agree
Yes, I got carried away. Just hate shit like that.
>Did any Jedi actually die in order 66?
weren't there tens of thousands of active jedi at the time? out of all those it's not hard to assume a handful might have gotten away
i don't think every single one of them was in pic rel's situation of being surrounded by 50 clone troopers
>a handful might have gotten away
>a handful
How big are your fricking hands?
In Legends there were around 50-100 Jedi left after Order 66 and the purge. That's why Luke was able to rebuild the order so quickly...
Given the sheer number of Jedi, that's a fairly believable "handful." I don't think it has to be that way, since it's also believable that the Imperial forces would hunt down the rest of the Jedi with or without Vader, but nevertheless. The real problem with all of these "survivors" isn't that their survival is implausible, it's that there's nowhere for their story to go. There are only so many ways to do a good Jedi-in-hiding story, and ultimately they're all constrained by the OT and/or the ST and that leads to stupid shit like Ezra disappearing on space whales because they lack the willpower to kill these characters (which is understandable).
Pattern recognition clearly isn't your thing, but regardless Disney (and Lucasfilm especially) deserve no benefit of the doubt.
It even undermines plot twists at this point; the black woman in Obi Wan was blatantly going to turn out to be a good guy/get redeemed precisely due to intersectional politics.
Not as bad as the EU.
>Darth Krayt, formerly known as A'Sharad Hett, a Jedi from the prequel era, survived Order 66, survived the OT, survived Luke's New Jedi Order, popped up 130 years after ROTJ as a Sith Lord
>K'Kruhk, Jedi from the prequel era, killed in Clone Wars 2003 by Grievous, retconned into surviving in the Republic comics, left the Jedi, survived Order 66, survived the OT, survived Luke's New Jedi Order, popped up 130 years after ROTJ with his own Jedi Order, mentoring Luke's descendant
>Quinlan Vos, Jedi from the prequel era, killed in Revenge of the Sith comic book during Order 66 (got blown up by a tank), retconned into surviving in the Republic comic books, has an entirely different Order 66 story, survives Order 66 hunt, leaves with his pregnant gf, never dies
And nobody complained because they were kino characters, something Disney is incapable of.
You don't know the meaning of the word «kino». Using it for every garbage DeviantArt slop devaluates the term. Please, be responsible with your wording.
Get lost, mousegay.
The first one is actually the kind of shit sith would do so I don’t mind, just lurking in the shadows for 130 years
The other two where they retconned an actual death is stupid
>Not as bad as the EU.
At most 80 Jedi survived Order 66. At most 20 Jedi survived the Purge. Less than that outlived the Empire, and several died between Endor and the end of Shadow Hand. The only ones we actually know of that outlived the Empire are Hett, K'Kruhk, and T'ra Saa; that's three, one of whom had abandoned the Jedi path before Endor. Three out of the ten thousand Jedi there were at the beginning of the Clone Wars, that's three percent of one percent. Vergere doesn't count because she left the Order before the Clone Wars began, and Jerec and Qu Rahn predeceased Palpatine.
Also
>that filename
>canonshilling Black person implying that any "writer's pet" in Legends, including Kal Skirata, is anywhere near as bad as Dave's OC crew
Verification not required.
>baby's first pilpul
Do better, little schizo israelite
why not order 69? the one where i shoot my blaster all over leia if you know what i mean
they need space wizards and people like the space wizards. as you all well know they need other non Luke space wizards to do things and new bad but not really bad space wizards for them to fight. cuz they have to win
am i the only one who thinks that all the "no jedi except luke and obiwan should exist after order 66" is stupid? it's just very creatively limiting and a no fun allowed mindset. would it really ruin the movies if some other jedi was on the other side of the galaxy doing some unrelated shit?
i'm not referring to any of the new side shows i haven't watched them, just theoretically
No I don’t mind it per say if they did a good job
The main storyline of Star Wars in the Disney era is far to limiting it makes the galaxy feel smaller than fricking earth practically the same 20 people do everything all the time it’s moronic
Too bad Disney just didn’t adapt the old republic stories (as written not pozzed) into their own movies and series while leaving the OT alone
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You are correct. Especially since the villains in Disneywars have been mostly non-whites. This is the first white guy they've had as a villain in a while
To defend them somewhat (and the EU), once Lucas decided that the Jedi existed in the thousands it made some sense that there would be some stragglers. And given the size of the galaxy it also makes sense that there would be thousands of Jedi. I don't think he had that in mind when he made the OT, though. In one of the story conferences he talks about how Vader destroyed the Jedi by doing shit like backstabbing them or leading them into traps on missions.
question for anons who know all the lore and canon stuff:
is Yoda's "Luke when gone am I, the last of the Jedi you will be" considered to be the word of law for canon, or is it just Yoda saying what he believes? is Luke supposed to be the only remaining jedi at the moment of dueling Vader in episode 6? would it ruin the OT if he wasn't? is there a consensus on this?
Yoda can sense other Jedi, if he says Luke will be the last, he means it.
i'll rephrase
when Yoda says "there's no one else" do fans react to this by saying
>well shit yoda's knowledge is the word of god so this undeniably means luke is now the only jedi in existence
or
>well there's no one else according to yoda, which doesn't necessarily mean there's no jedi or former jedi remaining in the whole galaxy
The latter, Yoda is wise but no god.
i assume you're asking if yoda's considered to be an unreliable source or whether what he knows is the objective truth
i think there can be surviving jedi at that time period, just none of them being active jedi or ones that would stand against vader
At that point, Luke's the only one who hasn't flaked on the Order.
Considering Yoda couldn’t detect palpatine for years his judgment is suspect at best
He’s also kind of a c**t for just hiding when everyone else was participating at least a little bit to destabilize the empire
He isn't meaning force user, he means as the head of the actual Jedi Order.
Cringe consensus break attempt samegayging, disney shills
>Obiwan: he was our last hope
>yoda: no, there is another
For all the anons jerking off about Yoda: remember he said "once you've fallen to the dark side, forever will it dominate your path." Luke proved both him and Obiwan wrong. He could sense the good when the two of them were blind from their own defeat
>"once you've fallen to the dark side, forever will it dominate your path."
Anakins entire life post PT, including his all too brief life after his redemption, was dominated by the Dark Side.
That’s not fricking forever now is it butthole
A teacher can be wrong or even misguided
Per the lord Jedi =|= force user
There are ex Jedi people who can use the force etc but Jedi are the specific order
Are you morons actually going to watch the newest Star Wars "Ahsoka" slop? Will you ever just give up?
i haven't watched any of the shows, i saw webms and youtube clips from kenobi and it largely looked terrible
last thing i watched was last jedi in the cinema
>Haven't watched Boba Fatt
>Haven't watched Kenobi
>Haven't watched Andor
>Haven't watched Mando S3
Feels good to only like the real Star Wars
No, but they should have
Doesn't all these jedis surviving kind of throw off the rule of two thing that's been pretty consistent?
Bene
only the straight white males ones
is there an official estimated number on who died? Usually the relevant departments of government would make a report on the number of casualties and any mia
People forget how many EU Jedi and Sith survived. Disney isnt close to touching that number. Especially the one jedi master that was bisected and came back from the dead 3x
Doesn't matter if the EU had more, the quality of the Jedi in the EU is way higher than the dogshit OCs from Disney and Filoni. Ahsoka sucks ass and is walled.
>Doesn't matter if...
EU fanbois are beyond cringe. Are you still vandalzing the Wook out of spite for your crusade? Hows the new billboard coming along?
Seethe disneygay. Star Wars of the 90s and 2000s will be forever superior to your israeliteslop
>still vandalzing the Wook
I hope so.
Aayla's boobs caused more seething than the Death Star blowing up Alderaan.
The EU really was frickin dogshit, it’s impressive the shitty Disney movies were so bad people actually have an argument that it was better. That’s so fricking insane to me.
Even now the one major advantage I think the EU has over what Disney-Lucasfilm has put out is just variety. Taken as a whole the EU wasn't nearly as conservative. Within a couple years it was already delving into the ancient past with completely self-contained stories in the Old Republic alongside all the post-ROTJ stuff.
I'd still take Andor over the vast majority of the EU, but it's also the closest in spirit in some ways.
The main thing that I liked about the EU was that there was actually some coherency with the progression of the story. It makes logical sense that the empire would collapse with the death of the emperor and that the remnants of imperial forces won't align under a unified banner due to the lack of a clear line of succession. It makes sense that the Rebellion will undergo some growing pains as it tries to establish itself as a respected government as the New Republic. It makes sense that criminal syndicates would grow in strength amidst the confusion and turmoil. The stories are interesting in that the power roles have reversed and the Republic is now in the position of power while the Imperial Remnant have to resort to asymmetrical attacks like terrorism, stay-behind networks, and espionage. The cherry on top is that all of this progression of the plot is a result of the heroes' accomplishments from the previous films. Just like the prequel movies, for all of their problems, told a unique story that showed the events leading up to the birth of the Empire.
MEANWHILE, disney's take is:
>*record scratch*
>your heroes accomplishments didn't fricking matter
>Somehow, Palpatine returned
>the Empire didn't collapse. We'll say that they did, but we splashed a new coat of paint onto them and they still have infinite resources and the good guys are the heckin plucky under-doggerinos
>here's a mary-sue fem-luke on not-tatooine. Remember tatooine? Pepperidge farm remembers
>remember the death star? Here's the deathier star
>memberberies?
>PORGS!
You can't convince me that it wouldn't have been a better to decision to take the major events of the EU as a broad roadmap, cleanup the cringe like Luuke or the Emperor's clones, and still have your female badasses with characters like Mara Jade and Jaina.
it was a lost cause when KK said SW didn't have loads of lore and published material to draw from
Disney usually only cribs from works that are in the public domain, which has no Star Wars works yet, thanks mostly to Disney.
I've been listening to the audiobook for Heir to the Empire recently so I can properly seethe at Ahsoka fricking up that period of time specifically, and I can see why people like it. Zahn is usually really good at handling Star Wars without it being too self-referential or silly in a masturbatory meta way, though some goofy shit still comes through; not sure if I can ever hear someone seriously describe the actions of the Millennium Falcon without feeling like Star Wars is just moronic. Moreover, his prose is pretty utilitarian, but way more solid than I could have ever expected from a Star Wars book, so it's not only easy listening while not feeling dumbed-down or poorly composed like Wendig's drivel. Marc Thompson's narration and character facsimiles are also really fricking good (though some voices tread into the realm of caricature at times), and the reading is backed by sound effects and musical refrains from the films, which is kino as frick, though I wish they'd gotten a female to voice the women.
I say all that to say I'm starting to understand why people like these books. We get solid new characters in Thrawn and Joruus, who are a particular delight when they're stuck together. Love the dark Jedi shit, though I can't help but wonder if the original plan of making Joruus an evil Kenobi clown would have been kino or moronic. But yeah, as you said, it mostly makes logical sense and Disney should have taken the story along the same trajectory. HOWEVER, with the added context of the prequels, I don't believe that these should have been the sequels in a perfect world, and I think the timeframe was one of the very few things Disney got right (not that they had a choice). The prequels sort of reframed Star Wars as a generational story, so I'd expect the sequels to deal more closely with Luke and or/Leia's kids while we get dripfed backstory on what's happened over the past several decades.
The soundtrack bit you mentioned made me remember that for Shadows of the Empire they actually released a soundtrack for a movie that never exists lol
If you ever get a chance, do yourself a favor and read the X-wing books. Both the Rogue Squadron and the Wraith Squadron ones. The Wraith Squadron is basically the A-Team but with with X-wings. The X-wings books take place during the fall of the Empire and detail a lot of the conflicts against the assorted warlords and the empire's stay-behind network.
There were several books that cover the Solo kids, but a lot of them were young-adult books that probably aren't the best examples of literature in the world and aren't the best that the EU can put forward. Better than Disney shit though. Luke doesn't have a kid until much later in the story. The solo kids have some more serious books during the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, but personally I kind of think that the Vong were kind of dumb. I liked some of the post-vong stuff where Jacen Solo became supreme edge-lord of the galaxy, but then Disney acquired the IP and killed that story line. I'm STILL salty that I'll never get to read "Sword of the Jedi" or see what would end up happening to Ben Skywalker after his sith girlfriend stabbed him in the back (kind of a long story).
I've got time
The comics were also pretty good as they were written by the same people as the books
Is that a e-girl with a riding crop?
nice
I'm not sure, could be either dicky or just short asian
Stackpole is a little too obsessed with eretheric rudder wrenching for me, but he does write a tight light fight.
Corran playing her like a violent violin was one of the best parts of "I, Jedi."
Combine aspects of the already existing Star Wars post RotJ EU and Kotor 2 and you would have the perfect sequel trilogy.
>good guys won but galaxy ravaged by nearly a century of conflict
>the empire splintered into warlords and splinter empires
>lots of potential for new factions arising as the New Republic is only a fraction of the size of the old republic
>a worry that the rebels won the war, but are losing the peace
>rebuilding the jedi order is a slow and difficult process, Luke has managed to train a dozen or so disciples with some rudimentary abilities but the son of Han and Leia has most of his focus as a master
>the sequel trilogy will focus on a new threat that has formed a triumvirate, hidden from the eyes of the republic an ambitious warlord, a devoted idealist, and an obsessed dark force user is plotting to destroy any remains of the old galactic order, a destruction of both republic and empire, both sith and jedi
>rather than just having bigger, larger, and more superweapons and ships every movie try to mix it up a bit, exploring long dead tomb worlds, planets once occupied by ancient civilizations, a massive shipyard building ships the galaxy has never seen before, ocean worlds and massive metropolises that isn't just Coruscant, the possibilities are endless
Focus groups hated that idea.
Focus groups don't know what they want.
People will show up anyway because it's Star Wars, each movie will then do better as people actually appreciate the story being told rather than just having to suffer through a worse retelling of the OT
Why should I believe you rather than my Marketing MBA bearing advisors?
History has vindicated me.
Star Wars tailor made for focus groups turned into a schizo mess that effectively killed half a dozen movies and any plans of future trilogies for a decade
Appeal to reality is a logical phallusy; at least that's what my trusted advisors tell me.
Yep that would have been superior and the obvious choice
You could still have charecters like Kylo, rey, finn but actually give them arcs and shit
It wrote itself
If I were making the movies in and had to come up with some new plots for current-year, then I would hype up the Imperial remnant as a boogeyman but have different factions act as the main villains in the plot.
>intro text talks about the birth of the New Republic and how Imperial Forces have splintered and have retreated into hiding
>name your big-bad, and make her badass warlord like Ice Heart from the EU. Mention how Republic spies have uncovered a plot to develop a bio-weapon to release against republic worlds and have identified a hidden research facility where the terrible virus is being developed
>camera pans down to show some Mon Calamari battle-cruisers launching shuttles and X-wings
>Have Luke lead a team of Republic Commandos into the facility while Rogue Squadron fights Tie Fighters overhead.
>The empire gets their shit pushed in, but their head researcher, a Dr. Mengele stand-in, escapes on some fancy stealth shuttle
>find clues that the test subjects were likely slaves from Hutt space
>back at Coruscant, Leia explains that they just can't send a Republic fleet into Hutt space because of fragile political situations that prevent the Republic from infringing on other nations.
>Han, Luke, and Chewie independently continue the hunt without Republic support by reaching out to some of Han's old contacts from his swashbuckling smuggler days.
>lots of focus on the Hutts and slavery being bad
>The gang breaks into the Hutt facility and finds proof of collusion with the Empire which gives the Republic casus beli to intervene. They also kick off a slave uprising because slavery bad.
>introduce some new Dark Force user who executes Dr. Mengele for being such a failure by killing him with his own virus.
>New Republic fleet arrives during the slave uprising.
>Darth Newguy escapes during the confusion
>Liberate a bunch of slaves, and everyone is happy
cont.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Jedi_Purge_survivors
More than half the list of survivors is Legends
You don't seem to understand that the EU having problems doesn't make Disney Wars any less shit.
>dubs
Black person I hate Disnyverse and the shit it spews out, I also hate it ideologically
whats the big deal about survivors
wasnt that vaders job for decades, hunting down the remaining jedi?
>a bunch of shitters survived Order 66
>but somehow The First Orders™ purge totally finished them off because they're so much BETTER and STRONGER
blue titty tentacles ; _ ;
He's going to be an alternate timeline Darth Vader that never got burned and killed Palpatine and now a man on the run from the empire isn't he?
moronic take, but one can see if it means Filoni gets to have his Waifu kill the chosen one in his near prime.
That photo looks like AI unironically
>that weird red-orange saber
looks like shit ngl
just make it yellow or orange or red, don't do that inbetween shit
It's supposed to be a reference to the old posters of a new hope in which vader hold
Orange is the most logical color for a lightsaber anyway due to its tendency to create liquid hot magma out of anything it touches.
Wouldn't that fricking burn his hands and robes?
It's handwaved as something like the saber isn't generating heat but is exciting the molecules of the metal like a microwave to cause it to melt. Besides his fingers are like two whole inches away from the melting slag of the blast door anyway.
absorb/dissipate energy
that is how it would be explained in the WEG version of the Star Wars table top RPG.
The best version I might add. If you ever want to role play star wars use that game.
The D6 system is superior to the later D20 system.
homie, nobody cares about your "well aktually"... this is a franchise about space wizards and giant death balls.
If you want to make an argument for the consistency of orange lightsabers pull from the established lore of legends to defend the shitty looking blade (there are examples here) or STFU.
Plo Koon got killed in his ship, ambiguously not white chick killed on speeder bike, dickhead guy shot to death, blue hot alien b***h shot in the back, and I assume it's implied that most of the Jedi are killed between Episodes 3 and 4.
For me, it's Bigger Luke:
http://biggerluke.wikidot.com/bigger-luke
they killed about 12 and then all the rest kinda assumed everybody else was dead and went into hiding.
Pretty sure Obiwan sent out a warning to all jedi to hide or stay away not long after the order went out, but my memory is shit so maybe not
He did, prequels imply many Jedi survived they’d obviously not all be in a position to combat the empire nor feel any universal imperative to do so, a lot of them probably just ran
The inquisitorious also feels like something George would’ve come up with at some point
how many named jedi are there running around after the purge anyway who are alive at the time of the OT? according to the current "canon"?
Obiwan but he's hiding
Luke is an infant
Cal Kestis is a padawan who already noped out of rebuilding the order, likely dead by the time OT
Ahsoka left the order already, dunno if she dies
this new dude will likely die too or never appear again (i mean the actor died)
doesn't seem there's that many. there's inquisitors but do people really count those as "surviving jedi'?
Ahsoka survives the OT
Kanan dies during OT timeline
Cal is basically out of the picture already (they can’t get to him, he doesn’t have to leave)
Ezra is MIA
Baby yoda is MIA by the time of TLJ, no idea what to think there
Taron died during OT
Cere and Cordova both died to Vader
Bode died
Most of them dropped dead over time or were hunted down given what the Obi wan show showed us
>the late
Wait what?
>The Rebels getting a Jedi on their side helped turn the tide of battle against the Empire
>Luke becoming a full fledged Jedi was a really big deal as he could now face Vader & The Emperor
>Luke falling to the Dark Side meant the end of the Rebellion
>LOL NOPE NOT REALLY THERE WERE 500 JEDI WORKING WITH THE REBELS AND THEYVE BEEN WINNING THE WAR LONG BEFORE LUKE CAME ALONG
Getting Vader’s son turned the tide
Anyone else would’ve died
I'm not sure how planned out the multimedia approach is (probably not at all), but Jedi Survivor seems to be setting up a planet that requires a special device to access by essentially flying through a black hole that Cal plans to bring a bunch of people and Jedi to, so I'm wondering if the majority of these guys will just be MIA hanging on that planet not giving a shit until they hear the empire is toppled. Or you could spin it as they were planning something but Luke got it done first by virtue of being Space Christ's child and not having to worry about collaborating with a bunch of other people.
Survivor ends with the group cal planned to do that with scattered to the winds and the only other Jedi he knows dead. It’s just his squatting location to frick Merrin until the war is over, and his legion of half jedi half night sister spawn emerge to confront the galaxy. Dude better get busy.
>It’s just his squatting location to frick Merrin
I'm beyond shocked that nu-Wars had the balls to actually show anything as unambiguously romantic as Cal and Merrin's relationship since Disney is so hellbent on making all of its characters asexual. These two Jedi games have had the best characters and plots out of anything created under Disney's ownership, which should be fricking appalling and is annoying because game dev cycles take so long.
Hell yeah, I remember this. SotE was wild and super unprecedented. I was in the perfect age bracket for it and gobbled up literally everything I could. The IG-88 fight in the game gave me insane anxiety. The Wampas too.
It wasn’t without substantial struggle because the writer they contracted to make a book between games tried to make her a lesbian and respawn had to ignore it.
Of fricking course. Jesus Christ.
I'll check them out, thanks. I was never deep into the Star Wars EU so I trust when people say the Vong are stupid, but the concept of an extra-galactic race invading seems like a logical step in upping the stakes at some point. In a similar vein, I know people are mostly unimpressed with the storylines he's involved with, but I always thought Cade Skywalker was an interesting concept for a take on the Skywalker lineage, being a drug addict burnout.
I thought Star Wars Legacy was hilarious because of how much the author seemingly favors the empire over the republic
sexo Blue
Comics Cade appears in are great but I recommend reading the previous Dark Horse comic series first starting with also great KotOR comics.
> but the concept of an extra-galactic race invading seems like a logical step in upping the stakes at some point.
Personally I think that the execution of the vong was kind of stupid and awkward. They had some weird thing where they were invisible to the force, but also managed to breed some kind of special dogs that were force detectors. They had this obsession with pain and self mutilation that I felt was cringey. I also felt that their weapons were weird since they had these weird snakes that would stiffen into quarterstaves that would bite people and were resistant to being cut by light-sabers for some reason. They also had these beetles that they would throw at people and the beetles would accelerate themselves to bullet speeds. I was a kid when I read those books and it just seemed so fricking out of place.
The Vong were naturally the conclusion of what would happen if the Infinite Empire/Sith Triumphant was never stopped. Basically their entire species is a wound in the force and they solely exist to consume/destroy everything. I've never heard anyone complain about them being too edgy, the only real complaints I've heard are people b***hing about how it would be too hard to film that arch. Thematically, they fit into the Dark Empire and prequels quite well...
>mfw Sam Maggs lost
>I'm beyond shocked that nu-Wars had the balls to actually show anything as unambiguously romantic as Cal and Merrin's relationship since Disney is so hellbent on making all of its characters asexual. These two Jedi games have had the best characters and plots out of anything created under Disney's ownership
the people in charge of tv/film are not the same people as the ones making videogames that happen to belong to the same IP, it's not that surprising
don't get me wrong it's all israelites anyway, but two different tribes of israelites and it was inevitable that one tribe has better writers than the other (though it's utterly embarrassing that the worse writers are the ones in charge of the more important film/tv side)
Disney Star Wars is Fan Fiction
George Sold Star Wars in 2012 Star Wars is Dead since then
I am still waiting for George to release some experimental/independent film. I don't care what it is but his early stuff is fantastic.
He will never make those Movies he is busy wasting his Money from Disney
i don't mind the idea of some jedi surviving by hiding or severing their connection to the force or operating in ways the empire won't really detect or retiring
making them all actively bump into each other while fighting the empire head on is dumb though
50 jedi escaping the massacre out of 10000 or so isn't that ludicrous, especially because Vader had to do more Jedi hunting afterwards anyway.
Rey should have been the offspring of Aayla and Palpatine. Palpi would have no doubt have scouted out the hottest jedi to keep for himself. How easy would it have been to retcon Aayla being shot with her being stunned a bunch of times.
What could have been
Lame backstory
Or so the empire would have us believe.
Well that's at least keeping with OT canon, plausibly. Gonna be garbage though
I don't mind how nu-Wars handles it:
>The surviving Jedi from Order 66 either weren't with clone troopers, not fighters or got lucky
>A few instances try to rebel which get stomped out by Vader training other padawans and Jedi to weed them out
>Vader kills them off over time as they do their job
>Surviving Jedi by that point don't want to fight Vader, go frick off, hide, do other stuff
>Empire runs the disinformation campaign they're crazy occult space wizards: if you hear someone say the force, report them and get a free empire biscuit
>Yet ANOTHER Jedi that survived Order 66
WTF. Order 66 killed 99.999% of Jedi. How tf does every single story Disney puts out is about more Jedi surviving Order 66??
>Disney
wasn't it Lucas who said there were like 100 jedi after the purge
>10,000 ish Jedi
>order 66 kills 99% of the Jedi
That would be 100 and it’s absurd to think they actually killed 99% or the Jedi that’s insanely efficient
There aren’t that many canon major player jedi left after yidsney wiped it. The big names are like 10 people, it’s the rebels crew and Ahsoka (3 Jedi and Maul) on and off fighting thrawn, the blind guy in rogue one who isn’t even a Jedi, just a force practitioner (who dies), the fallen order crew (4 Jedi, an ancient one that was asleep, Taron, and 1 sister), and maybe a few others.
pretty sure most of those die before A New Hope anyway
i know Vader kills the niggress and a few
Nearly all of them do, only Ezra, Ahsoka, Cal, and Merrin are still alive as of now. So add the OT Jedi to the list and it’s <15 known people. Ezra may as well be dead because he took thrawn somewhere and neither of them are active anymore so by the end of the war only Cal, Merrin, and Ahsoka are still around.
if Cal somehow survives his games (doubt it), watch as Filoni actually summons him into the TV shows and kills him off so Ahsoka can remain the only one standing
Im pretty sure he and Merrin will, for the same reason Ahsoka even got a show in the first fricking place. Or why you can hear Kanan talking for some reason at the climax of Rise of Skywalker. They are legitimately desperate to get recognizable characters that are popular that they haven’t completely fricked up yet to try and have them take the reins. Cal is based on a real actor so he can be made the hero of a show very easily, and Ezra is basically Luke-Lite but with a little better characterization when it comes to being tempted toward actually embracing the dark side (something that never really seemed possible for Luke even in ROTJ). Ahsoka got the show because they have nothing else anymore. Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re now seriously considering making the franchise centered around her and Ezra since them and Cal literally are the only 3 characters they have anyone even cares about.
>CAL KESTIS: I'm Cal Kestis.
They introduce him as a gay man with daddy issues...
Technically all the Jedi are going to die so MarRey Sue can be the last Jedi + she hears dead Ashoka's voice in her LSD induced force trip
Cal will probably survive to retire with Merrin or some shit. If he dies or turns to the dark side, that would result in a game trilogy of literally everyone dying or becoming evil and I just can't see nuWars having the balls to do that. Plus it's be ridiculous if his 2nd game was called Survivor and then he died in the 3rd game.
He has to die for the film canon, they'll probably do it off screen tho
>Ezra
I'd love to see a series about what happens when the purrgil drop Ezra and Thrawn and a very battered fleet off in the middle of no where.
Thrawn makes Ezra is femboy slave
The Ahsoka one is so dumb. It makes no sense for her to be an active jedi during the Galactic Civil War and not turning up when everyone starts talking about a boy called Skywalker who blows up the Death Star.
You either need to put her in stasis for about 20 years or make up some other good reason for why she isn't around.
If you put me in charge of Star Wars I would try to piss off Filoni by having her confront Vader, learn he is Anakin, and become corrupted because of grief and anger.
Have Filoni have to suffer through his waifu becoming a crazed psycho that starts hounding the Skywalker post RotJ
What's with Disney Star Wars letting characters live for no reason, while the actors die irl