Did anyone else feel like he just kind of turned into a huge butthole? Like, I don't care how much shit he felt he was going through, if you pay attention to the way he treated the people around him it came off as him being a really entitled emotional manipulator. And the solution to his problems is to just cut people off cold turkey and go live by himself without friends or family with no plan?
How the frick can anyone read this as positive development? He could end up raping and killing someone and try to cover it up by pinning it on someone innocent and I'd honestly buy it by the end of the show. He's not a good guy.
 Nothing Ever Happens Shirt $21.68 |
 |
Nothing Ever Happens Shirt $21.68 |
kind of, I don't think Steven was the right choice to showcase mental illness through, just kind of ruined him
I think it felt pretty forced.
Like, are you really telling me that Peridot would see how bad he is and just leave him be? It was a single episode with her and she just disappeared from the show.
Same with Lapis, Bismuth or all the crystal gems.
Steven was surrounded by people who would give their life for him and they just removed them from the show to instigate conflict.
You're telling me the autistic space lesbians that is Peridot would have noticed some semblance of what was happening? Thanks for the laugh.
>fat kid with magic powers grows up to be an butthole teenager
seems realistic to me idk
>fat kid with magic powers raised by lesbian space rocks with vague understanding of humanity and layabout father grows up to be an butthole teenager
Tacked some on
Turned?
god i wanna break that stupid homosexual face with a baseball bat. did sugar really think making the MC a crybaby pacifist was a good idea?
Modern men must be tubby, emotional wrecks. That way they understand when the women in their lives do some 'adventuring'.
Why is this artstyle so ugly?
This. Steven's been the same way for his entire life, he's a fat manipulative crybaby that drags everyone into his problems or refuses to stay out of theirs. If Steven existed in real life, he'd be the most unlikable c**t in town.
He wasn’t any worse to them than they were to him
I like to think he ends up with Spinel
Congrats OP, you are literally the first person to make this observation
This is why I love the rape/torture porn with him
I think Steven's gem should have been shattered by the breaking point, the show should have ended in a revolution that ended in the shattering of the diamonds.
The ending did not give me any feeling he improved. Like if somebody cuts him in line or if he have a depression episode he'll go full Kaiju again.
Stevens a fricking ingrate for not appreciating the wonderful life he was given and for abandoning it all just to hang around worthless diseased npc normie human filth. If i were in his shoes i wouldve stayed on blue diamonds weed happyness clouds and fricking the likes of spinel and pearl and peridot and blue diamond herself for the rest of my life
>prefering to frick instead of making real lewd passional love making: hand holding
weak
I kinda like the idea that Steven is still a self centered butthole. Gives them room to do an adult series at some point.
A very good look into the mentality of the writers and how they view the world around them.
That's kind of the point. Steven, due to the events of his childhood, developed a massive messiah complex and felt like everything needed to be about him. Because, for a very formative period of his life, it was all about him. And when the crises ended and everyone moved on to have their own shit going on in the aftermath, he was left with no idea how to exist in the vacuum that left. Steven Universe Future is about him coming to terms with the fact he is a protagonist whose story is over, and it ultimately ends on the note that he needs to leave Beach City and figure out what to do with himself when he's not surrounded by the Gems and their baggage he inherited. None of his family or friends mean him any harm, but he can't figure out what to do with himself/who he is so long as he's living in a community surrounded by people who treat him like the savior of the universe.
Why do writers treat getting buffed and losing weight = becoming an butthole?
Honestly, this was the ideal thing more than picking up a random psychologist.
Train your body and control your powers, Steven needed to burn energy by either training or fricking
Getting buff is associated with testosterone, which is also linked to aggression. Being buff makes you look more physically intimidating. But, most importantly, people who write shows are still bogged down in 4 year old jocks vs nerds made-up-for-tv bullshit. In college, my roommate was there on a football scholarship and was the biggest, lunkest meathead looking motherfricker you have ever seen. He also was obsessed with not just LOTR, but the Riders of Rohan specifically. He thought they were the coolest fricking thing. Stereotypes are bullshit.
In Steven's case, at least, its not that he got buff and became and aggressive butthole. Its that he had all of this bottled up aggression and started looking for fights, and changed his body to be what he felt a fighter should look like. Which makes this a weird case where the bias is implicitly recognized by the character.
Which is funny since Rebecca Sugar had to hide her massive cope that she wants a muscular bull to breed her and not a limp wristed femboy like Lars with Shep & Sadie. Even when Sugar hides behind her Faux Les"bi"an tumblr nonsense she shows her true colors in the end.
I don't they were trying convey a body or physique stereotype. Anyway, it was kind of funny how they made him buff and slighty taller, to then make him his usual self again, to finally conclude with a kaiju.
They're projecting decades-old bullying issues and self-loathing onto unrelated individuals who successfully pursue physical health.
I say this as a bitter asocial nerd, fitness freaks are on average far more supportive and inclusive (in the non-meme sense) than people in other hobbies.
We are talking about the same writers who think a guy trying to flirt with a "girl" is worse than space tyrants?
That's what my brother did and he did become a much bigger butthole.
I disagree, usually it's
>character gains weight and suddenly becomes a stupid butthole
fat people are disgusting though
portraying them in a bad light is a must
That's subjective.
Never forgiving her for the tape recorder.
Because he learned it from Jasper
He should have stayed that way
Look at them perfect for each other that one comic is canon to me
The entire series' premise of Steven being an innocent kid wrapped in unfortunate circumstances completely collapsed when the lazy writers started giving him god powers and anyone who argues otherwise is coping. Don't (you) me.
I miss the first 2 seasons, theyre the only ones I would rewatch and look fondly upon
Im just glad actual discussion is happening here and it hasnt devolved into cringe shipping/self-insert shit
Steven is a time bomb. I won't let go a guy whose tantrums would lead to colateral damage or turning into a kaiju.
In a real world steven would be already dead due to drugs or suicide.
In the real world he would have immediately been shot 3 times in the back of the head by a fed and then left in a dumpster alongside his lesbian moms for being potentially the deadliest bioweapon ever conceived
What the frick happened bros? He was a lovable goofball, full of compassion and optimism.
Now he's a violent murderer. All that shit he said about changing yourself, he never really believed in it.
Connie eventually realized she was out of his league
He changed though
Holy shit my reaction image
The most important of the original Steven Universe series is The Test. Episodes before that, Steven is this goofball kid always causing trouble for others. After The Test, Steven learns the lesson that how he presents himself to other people matters, and he puts the well-being of others before himself.
This goes on for years and years. SUF isn't about Steven becoming an butthole, it's about him finally figuring out that it's okay to think of his own wants and needs, something he had strongly conditioned himself to not do. He's the same character throughout, he just gets put into an unfamiliar situation, and he's venting all the issues that have built up over years of time in the span of a few days.
>start out as a loveable goofy kid and grow into an butthole courtesy of the world stealing you piece by piece
wtf i'm steven now
My main issue with it is that we just established when Steven has a mental breakdown he turns into a massive kaiju monster that starts killing people, and after a hug and one month of therapy he's stable enough to just leave? I think the Joker's 'one bad day' philosophy is moronic, but in this case, Steven really is just one bade day away from going on a massive rampage and killing a bunch of people. He shouldn't be leaving his hometown and driving cross country, he should be kept in a fricking asylum where he can be monitored 24/7, like we do with actually murderously unstable people. When Connie inevitably cheats on him with some guy at college, Steven's gonna go apeshit, and this time there's no gems to solve all the problems this time.
>Steven's gonna go apeshit, and this time there's no gems to solve all the problems this time.
Sounds way more interesting than anything the show did.
>When Connie inevitably cheats on him with some guy at college, Steven's gonna go apeshit,
He would just watch
I thought that Connie was the cuck character from this series
Realistically it’s Steven. Connie is an athletic and smart girl with plenty of friends whereas Steven became a lonely chubby guy. She ends up rejecting his marriage proposal. Probably because she can date an actually good looking guy
Connie would have none of her confidence if it wasn't for Steven. She would not have been trained under Pearl if she wasn't Steven's friends. She would have no friends without Steven because before she was completely alone. Connie is the real pathetic one. Steven is always going to have people who support him, can't say the same for a b***h who uses others to elevate herself like Connie does (remember the Lion incident?)
Connie is now the cute fit girl any guy in her school would love to go out with. Steven however is the chubby loser who still has a crush on her, only now she can do better than him.
She's definitely "saved him for later"; marriage material, but she still gets to ride the wiener-carnival
Personally I imagine he would just end up dating Lapis and moving on
You mean wiener carousel? I've never heard wiener carnival before.
Exactly. Steven practically built her into a girl who would have no problem getting a boyfriend who wasn’t fat or emotional
Connie probably would find someone else to date, even the fact Steven has been her only romantic interest since she was a kid.
Steven left them because he realized no one needed him anymore and wanted to find "his own path". It's dumb and pathetic. Just because no one needs you does not mean you're pointless.
>Like the fact that Jasper was manipulating Steven to push his limit and like a dumbass realized that she may have pushed him too far. The fact anyone would push a traumatized person to violence and not expect something fricked to happen is pure ignorance to me
So it's Jasper's fault she was killed? Is that what I'm hearing? Do you blame a woman for telling a man no and then being raped?
>He's gotten to big for BC, and his history and time there is really 50/50.
He's gotten too big for the Earth. A real journey of discovery would be in space, but that's too unrealistic for Sugar.
>While it's true that Connie grew into herself because of Steven that doesn't make her a bad person or a "bitch", you're unironically seething at people just being well, people and growing up and a part.
Never said she was a b***h just for growing up but that's she a b***h for complaining to Steven that he didn't take her along to risk her life in Homeworld and taking his pet lion.
>Connie probably would find someone else to date, even the fact Steven has been her only romantic interest since she was a kid.
I’m pretty sure there’s a good chance she did have a boyfriend in Future. I think as she got older she figured she could date a cuter guy
I get you're into cucking Steven, and Connie is a b***h, but not a cheating one. She would break up with Steven before fully pursuing someone.
I see her more like the type to not even cos diet herself in a relationship with Steven and only finding out after she gets caught with her boyfriend that Steven thought she was dating
Jesus fricking christ anon? I don't know why you jumped from 0 to 100, because whenever you take such an extreme example, it really shows the pros or cons of your argument.
Yes it is Jasper's fault she was killed. If I know someone who's incredibly violent, emotionally is not there, and has a very troubling past, and I know that there's a good chance of shit happening and being bad, I DO NOT:
A) Socialize with them because I have enough awareness of others and myself to know that my life is at risk whenever I'm at them
or
B) (God forbid I decide to be their friends or we just click naturally) Try as little as possible to trigger them.
That's why I always found Jasper's reaction hilarious but dumb, like what did you expect? You're pushing a person into being killer or violent person, You're verbally egging them on, like it's amazing Jasper didn't permanently come back broken
>Rape example
The thing is that your rape example isn't the same. In this scenario the woman has done nothing wrong in the situation, she has not entertained, annoyed, agitated her soon to be rapist. There's actually a plot in 13RW that does this. If you know someone is a rapist or has a past of being a SA'er, don't engage for no reason, move tf on and be thankful you saw the red flags. If you're hanging around rapists or somehow looming in the background near them, don't be surprised that they well rape you. Like sure it's their fault, but like bro, you had multiple avenues of preventing this, and while it sucks that you didn't do this, you have to realize that you risked your life for a rapist...
>Space instead of Earth
I agree with you a lot here. While he can do stuff on Earth (Like he's only been in one small ass place vs how big the world is and all the new experiences/types of people for him to meet), IMO I think Steven being around more humans would be better than space gems or aliens. Also the fact Sugar did nothing with the Lars plot was sad, RIP to cool space adventures
Steven isn't known for being incredibly violent or emotionally unstable though. These were both incredibly recent developments.
What are you trying to say here, like yeah these are recent developments but is this in relation to:
A) Not being realistic or understandable
or
B) With Jasper and their fight?
If it's A) then it does make sense, since Future is basically what happens now? I mean they didn't have to go down this road, but this seems like the most likely and with more potential. Like it would be pretty weird if Steven was some how changed from all the things in SU/SU:TM? Like then I would question why have this sequel or a time skip if nothing really changes enough to warrant this sequel and movie?
If you're referring to B) Than all the more reason why you shouldn't mess with a kid like Steven cause you never what the hell will happen cause they're extremely volatile in this state
Honestly homie, I wasn't the original anon you were responding to, and I have no idea what you're on about now. I'm just saying, they were pretty recent developments that she wouldn't really be aware of. Hell, the CG's weren't really aware of it.
Okay ig
>Never said she was a b***h just for growing up but that's she a b***h for complaining to Steven that he didn't take her along to risk her life in Homeworld and taking his pet lion.
Are you really going to use this one example as to why she's a b***h? Connie felt like she was apart of the time and was willing to put her life on the line (like she has down before and would do in the future), but was never really aware of what she was actually committing herself to. I mean it's fine to call her one during this one example, but post reads like her character is a shitty one (based on what you've said)
>Used Steven for clout, friends, and cool skills?
>Somehow is at fault or owes Steven for well getting other friends?
>Some how manipulated Steven despite how mutually beneficial their relationship was for them
>That one lion episode
If this is what you were trying to say or misworded than my bad but it really does seem like you think her character's just bad 100%
So Connie owes Steven now?
>I thought Steven in Future was struggling with abandonment issues and feeling unneeded
That's part of Steven's problem. Steven's is basically a war child (as much as that seems like a stretch) and has developed a savior/messiah mentality, that's really why he starts spiraling and struggles with people not needing him or distancing themselves. He's whole identity as "I can fix-it!", so when there's nothing really to fix, he doesn't really have shit to do. Which is why he either searches for problems or creates his own
>how does leaving Beach City solve that?
How did you get to this conclusion? Leaving beach city isn't the solution, he needs to figure himself in an environment that doesn't harm him by coddling or basically doing "there there Steven, we still love!" Also Beach City is a very small place, it's not surprising that a 16~18 year old guy would leave to see other places
>Future's bullshit was making Steven some social moron who has no idea how to make new friends.
Steven was always a "social moron", he just works in situations or problems. Peridot, Lapis, Bismuth, the fricking Diamonds, all these people were able to be friends with Steven because they had problems that seemingly Steven had the "solution" for. That's why I think Lapis was the best characters in this aspect. Lapis needed help and got it, after she did she began to heal and do shit on her own and Steven didn't jive with that, IMO Lapis was at her best when she was her own person around Peridot only
>Steven was always a "social moron"
He wasn't though, he had plenty of non gem friends at the beginning of the series. He made friends with Connie without too much difficulty. It's a complete 180 from how he was before.
No. He just made her into a girl who could do better than him
>Man helps a woman better herself
>Woman now sees herself as too good for the one who helped her become better
>Leaves man
And women wonder why guys always frick with their self-esteem
Man you guys have such good arguments that i can't really tell who would be the strongest cuck in this. What if both cuck each other? Does that sound easier? That girl Puu would be up for it, kek.
Connie would have an easier time. Steven would try and fail most of the time and never get very far.
Steven doesn’t have it in him. Connie does and would keep saying sorry to Steven
I didn't watch this season when it freshly came out but does anyone know how the fandom liked it?
I never felt Steven was the reason for anyone to watch the show, but who would still like him now besides hybristophiles
>but who would still like him now besides hybristophiles
Me
He’s hot now
I thought Future was way better than the base show. it actually advances the plot most episodes, has a central focused theme, and examines some of the darker implications of all the childhood trauma. compared to the wheel spinning filler that constituted 90% of the show, it's a huge improvement.
that said it won't blow your socks off. it's just leaping over the terrible bar the base show set.
While Steven was an ass in FU, your post reads like you hate a lot.
>He could end up raping and killing someone and try to cover it up by pinning it on someone innocent and I'd honestly buy it by the end of the show.
If you genuinely believe this then you aren't basing this from the show, you're just headcanoning reasons or things to further justify why you dislike him. The most likely thing he would do is become an extremely violent person towards those who are aggressive back. Other than that he'd just try to be a people pleaser.
>He's not a good guy
He's like a solid 6 out of 10 here
Yeah he’s an ass, and I call bullshit on the whole gem race suddenly being ok and no longer needing him. It’s such bad worldbuilding to just say "everything is cool now".
There’s not really any role he fits
>any role he fits
Well not in the shitty perfect world they made that is so boring and generic. He totally would have a role in an interesting and complex world that still has deep issues but apparently that’s too cool for SU
Even in there he wouldn’t have anything to offer
Having PTSD is no excuse for being an butthole. Everyone loves to excuse his actions because of his "trauma" from being a hero of the Earth and Homeworld, but he feels like an butthole in Future because he is one.
He didn’t really do much. The moment he killed Jasper he was very sorry and did all he could to rectify it including ringing her back
But he did, though.
>Treated his father like shit for living his life in a way Steven personally doesn't approve of.
>Insults Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl for developing as people who don't need to rely on him anymore
>Tries to propose to a 16 year old INDIAN girl and expects her to say yes
>Kills a gem out of uncontrolled rage (he was only able to bring her back because he was a Diamond)
>Leaves his family and friends to explore the US because he blames Beach City for his issues instead of himself
When does Steven get any accountability? Are you going to keep making excuses for him?
>His dad abandoned his family over having a curfew
>He liked Connie
>They were sparring and he never stopped holding back before
>He just moved away
Greg did not go into details, but no reasonable person leaves their family just because of a curfew. We're supposed to know his family was very strict and stifling, and Greg had to leave to live a normal life. Of course, he tried several times to contact his family and they didn't reply, but no one ever mentions that.
Liking someone does not mean you try to propose to them when they're not even a legal adult in the US yet.
Yes, sparring. Not fighting to the death.
He didn't just "move away". He's going to frick around the US like his father did, the same father he criticized for doing the same thing.
No, it's meant to show that of course she would reject him.
Stop being a coomer. Connie is a basic college modern woman.
>Greg isn’t a reasonable person. His issue was meatloaf
>And it does mean that when you like them a lot
>First time he ever stopped pulling his punches
>His issue was Greg running away from home over curfews and eating meatloaf for dinner. He informed Greg he wouldn’t live in Beach City anymore. Big difference
Even liking someone a lot does not mean you should propose to them when they're not an adult and are about to go off to college. Just another example of Steven's insanity.
Greg's issue was not meatloaf, it was that his parents disapproved of his love of music.
And Steven pulling his punches and killing someone is good how?
Steven is running away because no one needs him anymore. He has no right to criticize why Greg left. Greg's parents didn't even reply to his letters for years. He shouldn't be defending his grandparents who he doesn't even know.
How can you disagree? Have you watched the show or just basing your opinion of Connie from porn? She was an introverted nerd before Steven.
>People propose in high school all the time
>That’s even worse for Greg
>It’s just why she died. He had never stopped pulling a punch before
>He didn’t run away. He moved out. Greg didn’t tell them at all and only came crawling back in letters.
>Why do
>You type
>Like a
>moron
>?
Efficient way of separating 4 points/arguments that doesn’t take up post space with copying the whole arguments
Don't you mean-
>Efficient way of separating
>4 points/arguments
>that doesn’t take up post space
>with copying the whole arguments
>People propose in high school all the time
Doesn't mean the person has to accept it.
>That’s even worse for Greg
Are you telling me that if your parents said for example no internet usage at all, and you're 17 years old, that you would stay?
>It’s just why she died. He had never stopped pulling a punch before
So you're excusing him because he never fought before. That's like a boxer or a MMA fighter killing someone and you saying they didn't know what they were doing.
>He didn’t run away. He moved out. Greg didn’t tell them at all and only came crawling back in letters.
Now it's he moved out. Before it was run away. He attempted contact after the fact to try and make up like most families do but his parents are such buttholes they can't accept and move on.
>I see her more like the type to not even cos diet herself in a relationship with Steven and only finding out after she gets caught with her boyfriend that Steven thought she was dating
Huh?
>Huh
That she would date some guy from school and only realize Steven thought he was dating her after he got upset at her
They are dating in the show, in the final episode of Future, they shared a kiss. People who kiss aren't just friends.
>People who kiss aren't just friends.
Well, sometimes they are in Europe.
Does SU take place in Europe?
>>It’s not an excuse if it’s just what happened because that is what happened. Manslaughter
Manslaughter is still a crime, anon.
moved out. Not Greg. Greg did run away
So Greg moved out and ran away?
Stop blaming Jasper for Steven being an uncontrollable violent douchebag from PTSD. It makes people with PTSD look like animals and Steven's "PTSD" is just him being a whiny b***h so he looks 2x as bad.
If they just got together, it would be even more OOC for Connie to go looking for another dick to hop on.
>Are you really going to use this one example as to why she's a b***h?
Yes, because it is a pretty big b***h move.
>If this is what you were trying to say or misworded than my bad but it really does seem like you think her character's just bad 100%
Connie's character is an example of a good idea turned bad. She was supposed to be Steven's anchor to the human world inbetween adventures with the gems. Once she, a normal 14 year old girl, got involved in highly dangerous gem stuff, she no longer served as that anchor. The Lion situation is just the shit cherry ontop of the shit cake. Connie was a good character in the beginning but became bad, so much so that the writers had no idea what to do with her once they made her the sword wielder.
>Yes it is. But when you bring someone back it’s more or less negated
>Greg ran away.
Interesting take on your idea of mental health. This is my favorite part of the supposed criticisms of Steven. The mentally ill guy did bad things. People with PTSD can and will do awful things. It’s good representation since it doesn’t shy away from what they can do. It would be bad representation if they sugarcoated it
>People with PTSD can and will do awful things.
Yes, but normally it doesn't involve murder and if it does, the person is placed in a mental institution.
PTSD induced violence is actually fairly common. Society will never get anywhere if we whitewash what people do
>If they just got together, it would be even more OOC for Connie to go looking for another dick to hop on.
She considered it casual. Steven seems like he would be okay with Connie cheating on him
No, she did not. You can't prove that. Steven would not be okay with Connie cheating on him, he tried to get in an exclusive monogamous relationship with her through marriage.
He just wanted to know Connie wouldn’t leave him. And if Connie cheats on him he wouldn’t break it off so she would be free to do it again
>Stop blaming Jasper for Steven being an uncontrollable violent douchebag from PTSD. It makes people with PTSD look like animals and Steven's "PTSD" is just him being a whiny b***h so he looks 2x as bad.
Stop coddling victims dumbass. If you put yourself in situation where the likelihood of you getting hurt or assaulted rises significantly you're doing something wrong here. This doesn't mean that what Steven did wasn't bad or shouldn't be handled, but don't blame these people for something you caused on yourself.
Who told you interact them?
Who told you to egg them on?
Who told you it was a good idea to be around people with a known history of PTSD/SA and fully knowing that the likely outcome would guess what, be the outcome. You're the only person here who I've seen argue such a "common sense" situation.
>Yes, because it is a pretty big b***h move.
That's not a b***h move, you're the one who's b***hing about the character here when in reality you just don't like them at all.
> She was supposed to be Steven's anchor to the human world inbetween adventures with the gems. Once she, a normal 14 year old girl, got involved in highly dangerous gem stuff, she no longer served as that anchor. The Lion situation is just the shit cherry ontop of the shit cake. Connie was a good character in the beginning but became bad, so much so that the writers had no idea what to do with her once they made her the sword wielder.
How does this have anything to do with her being a b***h or a morally bad person? You're conflating what makes her a bad person and a bad character. The fact that you had a somewhat backable point than regressed to this is sad and ruined your argument.
To be fair, it was Steven who went to her, not the other way around. Steven sought out interaction with Jasper, not the other way around, and she hardly knows everything he's been through or what he's dealing with.
While that's true that's just all the more reason for what I'm saying. Does your involvement in the matter still change in the person comes towards you? If a crazy person or a person who intends to do harm to you comes you way, you still have the ability to at least try to stop it at all.
For Steven's situation this was different. Steven came for some help and guidance cause he was at his end. Jasper seeing this tries to teach Steven her philosophy of control and "balance", in their fight you see her verbally taunt him, egging him on, getting excited that he was pushing back
(this is the rematch and the main one I'm talking about)
So now the situation has changed drastically. So in reality Jasper brought this on herself
>she hardly knows everything he's been through or what he's dealing with.
She knows enough for their multiple encounters with Steven or the Crystal Gems to at the very least know something is up. Especially with their discussion, like it's amazing the way they animated (not because it's particularly amazing or anything, but you can see the literal moments where Jasper's think, "Oh shit" and instantly regrets everything.)
Truth is the gems wound him up and then Jasper dealt with the fallout. But that's ancient history now.
Anyway, the movie was supposed to deal with space colonies, managing an empire, and somehow transitioning to a benevolent empire? It was going to give the series this massive scope, but instead CN and Sugar decided we'd be better off triapsing through Pink's toybox.
Weird way to move the conversation but sure ig, though doesn't mean nothing. If the last few memories you have of someone (and vice versa) are really bad memories, don't be surprised if something bad happens because of your interaction with them.
>Anyway, the movie was supposed to deal with space colonies, managing an empire, and somehow transitioning to a benevolent empire? It was going to give the series this massive scope, but instead CN and Sugar decided we'd be better off triapsing through Pink's toybox.
This sounds like a bad idea/concept. At least the movie we got actually related/mattered. This just seems like an idea for episode(s) about side characters, though to be fair I'm not sure how developed this idea/faithful the movie would be to this concept, either way the Spinnel avenue wasn't that bad.
Pretty weak logic.
Bullshitting on another Cinemaphile SU thread isn't much of an interaction. If it is, well thanks for the heads up.
How is anything of what I said weak logic? Your only "point" is to sidestep that actual things as it's "all in the past", what's the point of talking about character's involvement if you refuse to acknowledge what led to it. Though I'm more lost on why you're trying to tell me that a movie pitch about space shit and adventures with trying to focus on creating a better empire? Some how would beat SU:TM? Unless you have more insight into what this potential thing was, all you have is a weak idea.
>Bullshitting on another Cinemaphile SU thread isn't much of an interaction.
This is coming from the person who throws out pointless stuff or moves the conversation when they're nothing to actual prove/explain. Thanks for at least telling me they didn't go down a shit path for the movie
>Stop coddling victims dumbass.
Bruh. Stop coddling literal murderers.
>That's not a b***h move, you're the one who's b***hing about the character here when in reality you just don't like them at all.
Stop simping for Connie. She's 16 years old and has Steven trapped with her. Also, she's not a good character.
>How does this have anything to do with her being a b***h or a morally bad person?
I said she was a b***h, not morally bad. This has everything to do with it because it shows how the writers made a good character into a b***h with their bad choices.
>The fact that you had a somewhat backable point than regressed to this is sad and ruined your argument.
At what point have you agreed with anything I've said.
>Bruh. Stop coddling literal murderers.
I'm not. You're right Steven is a murderer and loose cannon, this doesn't change Jasper's part in their situation.
>Stop simping for Connie. She's 16 years old and has Steven trapped with her. Also, she's not a good character.
This isn't about me simping for Connie, if you think this is all because I view her as some waifu, you're just projecting with your shitty reasons. Connie doesn't have no one trapped, I don't know why you think this at all. If anything Steven was the one who trapped her by trying to get her to come back and marry her. This is cope levels of people thinking Connie is a cuck or is jealous that Steven will get with Spinnel.
>I said she was a b***h, not morally bad. This has everything to do with it because it shows how the writers made a good character into a b***h with their bad choices.
Being a b***h is morally bad, especially with what you accuse her of doing. She's not a manipulator or a narcissist, you just don't like her, simple as.
>At what point have you agreed with anything I've said.
Yeah I agree with point A, not point B or anything that wasn't point A idiot. That's like saying, "I think nazis are bad" and I say yeah that's true, and then you proceed to say, "because they failed to complete their mission and did nothing worthwhile" and I continue to disagree hard and you just say, "well you agreed with me originally!" This is just stupid levels of being of comprehension here
I’m just saying it’s how it would go. And it was implied they only just got together then so chances of Connie not viewing it as serious is decent
>They don’t
>Not the scenario, more a specific genre of entertainment or tv show or website I wouldn’t be allowed to go on
>It’s not an excuse if it’s just what happened because that is what happened. Manslaughter
>Steven moved out. Not Greg. Greg did run away
Actually I'm pretty sure it would constitute second degree murder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_(United_States_law)
>Any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned.[
Malice is murderous intent which he never had
He seemed petty malicious during that fight, also-
> a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second-degree murder.
They were having a fight, and Steven got carried away, according to what's laid out here, that's pretty much second degree murder.
Both were laughing a lot so I couldn’t tell. And again, spar
Jasper wasn't laughing.
> And again, spar
I've been to a boxing gym homie, I know what sparring is. If I had killed someone while sparring, that would be murder.
>Yes she was
>No, manslaughter
No, she wasn't. Rewatch it. And no homie, just because it was sparring doesn't make it manslaughter. Normally when people spar, they aren't fighting with all they have, they're holding back. So if you manage to beat someone to death while sparring, you definitely had some malicious intent in that moment. You can't just say 'No' and pretend that's an argument.
1:15
And actually I can since we’re talking about someone punching as hard as they can. Which is usually done at least once
>1:15
Oh wow, you mean the part that happens a whole
fricking minute before the murder? Because I certainly don't see her laughing at 1:50. And as for murderous intent/ malicious aforethought-
>In most common law jurisdictions, the American Law Institute's Model Penal Code, and in the various U.S. state statutes, which have codified homicide definitions, the term has been abandoned or substantially revised. The four states of mind that are now recognized as constituting "malice aforethought" in murder prosecutions are as follows:[18]
>1. intent to kill
>2. intent to inflict serious bodily injury
>3. extremely reckless disregard for the value of human life
>4. felony murder rule
So yea, second degree murder.
He didn’t wanna hurt Jasper seriously since they were just sparring and he figured she could tank his strongest hit. Also she was smiling after it too. So she was laughing during the fight
>just sparring
Again moron, if you kill someone while sparring, that's murder.
>he figured she could tank his strongest hit.
Prove it.
I did watch the show, and to be fair i haven't seen Connie porn outside of some soft lewd pics in SU threads like the ones of relatedguy. Just so happens that i didn't catch up to the memes at the time.
Come on, anons, at least what a show before defending the dumb shit in it.
But the neurodivergents claim its wrong to show mentally ill people as anything other than pitiful.
>Even liking someone a lot does not mean you should propose to them when they're not an adult and are about to go off to college.
Why not?
It’s wrong
But why? Connie said she wanted to, so why postpone the inevitable?
Because
>Greg had to leave to live a normal life.
He lives out of a van.
>Greg did not go into details, but no reasonable person leaves their family just because of a curfew.
I really don't get why anons struggle to grasp that Greg was a bum. He was virtually manchild levels of worthless when he was around Rose. He was forced to mature when Steven was born, and even then he's still obviously dysfunctional. The entire point of his character was that he was a guy that led a life full of bad choices but still managed to pull something resembling decency out of the wreckage.
Greg didn't tell Steven anything about his human family, including Andy, not even his last name. You're reaching in an attempt to absolve Greg of his shitty parenting
Why did you emphasis Indian like that? Does that make it worse somehow?
his family and friends to explore the US because he blames Beach City for his issues instead of himself
On this note, I thought Steven in Future was struggling with abandonment issues and feeling unneeded, how does leaving Beach City solve that? Moving out doesn't make him magically not lonely anymore, and part of Future's bullshit was making Steven some social moron who has no idea how to make new friends.
He doesn’t care about being needed anymore. His problem was the fact he was too dependent on people. So he broke that to learn to be independent
It doesn't. Anyone with severe abandonment issues or a hurricane of unresolved trauma needs that support system. Getting in a truck for some vaguely defined reason and abandoning everyone you love is not something an emotionally traumatized person would do
a gem out of uncontrolled rage (he was only able to bring her back because he was a Diamond)
This isn't even true, you're just poorly wording what happened. Like the fact that Jasper was manipulating Steven to push his limit and like a dumbass realized that she may have pushed him too far. The fact anyone would push a traumatized person to violence and not expect something fricked to happen is pure ignorance to me
>Leaves his family and friends to explore the US because he blames Beach City for his issues instead of himself
This also isn't true. He leaves Beach City to discover himself out by himself and whoever he encounters on the way. He's gotten to big for BC, and his history and time there is really 50/50. I don't know why people insist on just lying or retelling events that didn't happen. While Future sucked on this aspect and a lot of other parts, it's not as bad as people make it and that there was seemingly no "transition"
You sound like a person who's never had a friend IRL or a shy introverted friend. While it's true that Connie grew into herself because of Steven that doesn't make her a bad person or a "bitch", you're unironically seething at people just being well, people and growing up and a part. It's not even like Connie's over Steven, she just has other friends and her own shit, unlike Steven who doesn't really have other "friends" and is on constant vigilant mode
I assume it's due to some how Indians go about marriage and weddings but if we're going that far, wouldn't that make Steven the most viable?
I mean it sort of fits
>Has security, power, status
>HIs emotionally damaged and unchecked
>Has shit to trade for Connie
>It's not even like Connie's over Steven, she just has other friends and her own shit, unlike Steven who doesn't really have other "friends" and is on constant vigilant mode
Realistically would she like other boys
She would in her own time. I have no doubt that she already was liking some boy in Space Camp or in her science buddies.
Would she have gotten far with them? She seems open to flirting
He’s one of the more accurate depictions of a teenager I’ve seen in a cartoon. That’s just what some people are like, at that age.
In Future, he's a stand-in for the writers, not actually the character Steven Universe. You now understand what the frick was wrong with that season.
I miss that anon who suggested Steven get a black girlfriend
Always here for you Anon. Just didn’t wanna get MonaLisaAnon’d
Personally I picture him dating a curvy streetwise black girl after Connie and him break up. Possibly big hair.
>MonaLisaAnon’d
Who?
I think the idea itself is cute, I don't see Connie and Steven lasting for long either
Regular of Adventure Time threads who would mention Finn getting an Italian gf every now and then. Got the ban hammer
And personally I just consider Steven getting a black gf to be like right after Future.
So is wasn't near spamming? Seems kinda up to par for is to talk about and meme a crackship. I would talk about it more if that wasn't the case
That guy did it every thread IIRC
Either way I try not to spam
Well, it hasn't been talked about in awhile I believe. What's your thoughts on how Steven would drag his new gf around Beach City, I assume he wouldn't tell the gems/Greg about it until he came back home.
Personally I don’t see the Gems liking her but Greg being pretty open. You gotta remember the Gems shipped Connie and Steven pretty hard so seeing him move on fast would probably bother them
True, I can see Pearl bringing up Connie alot since she was the closest to her, gem wise. Imo, they broke it off mutually while Connie was still in school, it wasn't as bad as the marriage rejection. So it's not like he can go back to her. Steven probably wasn't looking for another partner until he met black gf.
What about the diamonds?
They lean more into racist grandmas. They thought the black gf was just a Connie who shapeshifted a bit into darker and thicker shape until Steven said it was someone else. She gets along with Blue best mainly because of her clouds
>Everyone compares her to Connie
Man that's fricking rough, but it'll be fun if she didn't care but it set Steven off more
Oh yeah it brushes off her like water does on a duck. Steven feels a little guilt about it, but she tends to knock out out that nonsense out of him whenever they’re alone. He’s a touchy guy with her
>He’s a touchy guy with her
That's sweet, that's how I imagine it too. Touchy Guy x Unbothered girl hits so differently
>That's sweet, that's how I imagine it too. Touchy Guy x Unbothered girl hits so differently
I see here more like the type to push him into more physical stuff he is usually shy about it. Sort of like a jump start on those repressed hormones
After the Jasper incident, he would be, but I'm sure having a girlfriend would change that. I wonder if he'll end up like the gigachad from too many birthdays or if he isn't to that level yet. Do you think they would have kids right away
She’s the one pushing for him to go Chad again after seeing glimpses of it when he fights. I think Steven would always want kids but with her it would be closer to a happy accident if she did get knocked up
Happy accident or the product of a lustful post-work out session, you decide
Product most likely. He was pent up, she was all too willing to go raw. I think they might settle up in the house if she did get pregnant.
>Steven has three kids now because he keeps raw dogging some black chick in his late teens
It'll be funny if Steven ended up being with his father hated, he'll be obsessed with making sure his kids have a "normal" life. gf would try to remind him it's near impossible since everyone in the family sans her is a demi god
Oh yeah, before he’s even 21 she already got knocked up with his third kid because he loves it raw. He doesn’t have any signs Uf stopping and can’t keep his hands off her when she’s pregnant. He’s gonna want a suburbs life. I see his gf being the one to relax him when he gets more intense.
I can't believe Steven wouldn't grow up to think pregnancy isnt hot, he'll think the entire process to be taboo until it actually happens and the wires in his head interlock. Might freak out the Gems tho
Oh yes he’s all for it. Belly swelling, breasts filled with milk. He had basically done nothing sexual before meeting her so he’s pretty much making up for lost time with Black GF.
Based preg fetish anon
I honestly don't have else to say about this, it's how Future should have ended. Thanks for indulging me
Always
Would she dress loose
duh, why'd you think Steven bagged her, every cute sunshine boy needs a freaky gf
Probably a lot of tank tops and shorts with her. I picture them meeting during his first time in a more adult party
Puu shut the frick up
Not Puu
Just like the idea
>Not alpha b***h girlfriend
Only if she makes him stay a Chad
I would draw Steven with his Black GF admiring his muscles... but work, maybe if the thread is still up
Cool
Pivoted to something more wholesome
>wholesome
Not If I can help it
I can only do wholesome or memes
sure, any other requests
I guess black gf being pinned against the wall by Chadven?
also colored for
here
https://imgur.com/a/iR9MAYc
Love her thickness here
Thick girl and muscular boy is always great together
>only wholesome
In that case... I'd like a pic of spinel and Steven playing rock paper scissors but spinel's hand is a giant version of whatever she's playing and she looks smug
Cute
Even better than I imagined, gracias!
How about a cuddle session on the couch between Steven and his new girlfriend?
Or that guy turning his head at another girl with his girlfriend meme but with Steven and Connie as the couple and ebony gf as the one the guy looks at
Okay, but only use this for good, okay?
thanks, i ve havent drawn in a week so this was fun
I promise. Really loving how thick she is. Is that natural or baby weight?
Baby weight? Her mom is a short stock and her dad is relatively lanky, it was inevitable
I do but I'm kinda avoiding them as of late , just need a break from that place
it's maximum_frills
>Shortstack mom
Lucky Steven’s future.
Oh do you have a Twitter man?
Poor Connie
First meeting would be cool
It'll probably be really mundane, coffee shop au type shit
True but that’s also cute. Though with her it might be more Steven meeting her at a gas station or 7/11
Coloring?
>saved the world by dealing with other people's problems
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE ME HELP OTHERS WITH THEIR ISSUES
So sick of this self-entitled lazy hypocritical attitude.
his dad's a pushover and he was raised by a bunch of b***hy hormonal dyke space rocks. what did you expect to happen?
Eh. Imagine your ex writes a puppet show about your relationship while you're breaking up with them. That's SUF in a nutshell: one half of a break-up story.
I do wanna note that Sugar is a talented editor. She kept things kid-friendly. That's why I was surprised Steg made it through.
I think Sugar kept Steg because she was running out of ideas for the movie. We were going to do space colonies, but that hit too close to home apparently. That was a lot of work just to be shunted into a video game.
Also the fans are right: SU's worlds get uglier after 2016.
Death to all who oppose the God-Gemperor of the Known Universe.
Exactly. He just blamed his family and friends for all his problems and straight up abandoned them. They weren't perfect, but they still loved him and helped him.
It would be funny to see an honest follow up where it turns out Steven's selfish decision backfires on him. How would he feel knowing that he alienated everyone in his life? Not only that, but they became estranged from him too.
He loved them and helped them even when they would attack him like Amethyst or let him die like Pearl. By that logic he would be well within his rights to leave them
So Steven can do whatever he wants, but everyone else in his life needs to be on their best behavior at all times? He doesn't need to be perfect, but everyone else in his life does?
That sounds like a shitty double standard.
They don’t need to be. And the difference is that he was a child and they were the ones meant to take care of him. They’re weren’t equals
They DID take care of him. They loved, tolerated, and forgave him through all the troubles they went through. If it were the other way around with any other characters doing the same thing as Steven, then they would be dragged through the coals for it. Yet when Steven does it, suddenly it's okay.
How selfish of Steven to just cut his family and friends out of his life after all they've been through, after all they've done for him. He's really no different than his mother. Just like her, he turned his back on people when they stopped being useful to him.
Steven is just an entitled, selfish butthole.
They’re supposed to tolerate him. They’re his guardians. They’re also not supposed to have him deal with their issues or attack him. He had already let them by for that. And in all honesty he’d been better off never meeting the gems
Garnet really wasn't THAT bad, it was Pearl and Amethyst who were duplicitous c**ts.
I can't imagine why any fan would be this angry at Steven for leaving Beach City the way he did. Most fans don't like the direction of SUF, but they don't personally blame Steven for it. Steven's usually one issue among many.
I think the only people who have the audacity to be this upset are the people who got a steady, easy paycheck for almost a decade.
When did Amethyst attack him? I know she fought Pearl, but I don't remember her ever attacking Steven.
He wanted to stop her
She said to stay out of it. Honestly she’s sort of the worst that way.
All the CG's are pieces of shit, Peridot is the only good one.
Why do you think they’re the only ones he had a problem with
He was fine with Peridot and Lapis and Bismuth
Well, the only reason he has no problem with Lapis is because she's an evil c**t to everyone but him.
Yeah, she's great
I still wish they properly addressed this. Any potential criticism of Lapis was met with "She's been through a lot!" and it pissed ne off so much.
She’s pretty civil to most people. Just don’t do anything like kidnap her like Jasper and Peridot or trap her in places like the CGs
How come he doesn't have a problem with Lapis. She's the biggest c**t of all the gems? Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl aren't even half as bad as she is. Peridot has been redeemed and can be argued to be the most innocent in terms of what she did to Steven (which is nothing really)
Lapis and Peridot weren’t the ones charged with taking care of him.
But Lapis is a bigger c**t. Pearl can be said to have been the worst for Steven as a caretaker, Garnet is just nonexistent and Amethyst treated Greg like shit and traumatized Steven that one time.
Yes. And she’s a friend of his. An equal more or less. But the CGs are his parents
So friends are allowed to be complete buttholes but family members have one chance to frick up before they're left forever.
Steven of all people should correct her on her behavior to others.
Yes, that is how it works. Friends are on a different level than parents. They’re equals to one another. Your parents aren’t supposed to be the ones burdening you when you’re a child. But friends do that with friends
>Yes, that is how it works. Friends are on a different level than parents. They’re equals to one another.
So Steven and Lapis are equally shitty.
>But friends do that with friends
A real friend wouldn't.
Nah, your friends lean on you and you lean on them for support. It’s sort of different with a mom and dad
No, it's not. Friends should be held to a standard. Parents also sometimes need your support. Would you not support them as elderly people because they're parents and you're just a child?
Yes as elderly adults sure. But a kid probably shouldn’t be the one dealing with his suicidal mom when they’re like 12. And she should know that
No one is saying a kid has to deal with a suicidal mom. I'm just stating that Steven should hold Lapis to the same standards as all the other gems. He didn't excuse Bismuth for her murderous intentions.
Suicidal mom dependent on you as a child is not the same as a troubled friend as a child. The CGs are held to higher standards that way
>troubled friend
Lapis isn't just a troubled friend, she gets off on the idea of torturing others after years of being trapped in a mirror. She's too much for a friend to handle. Stop defending your waifu and look at her objectively.
So friend who has issues
You morons just love eating Lapis' pussy out. At the end of the day, my main argument is that Steven should not shit all over Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl when Lapis is objectively worse and hasn't improved at all from the time between the OG series and Future.
Actually he can since she’s not his parent and it’s okay she wasn’t nice to him since she wasn’t meant to be looking after him. The Crystal Gems were
parent this parent that. buddy, you need to work out your family issues and stop projecting onto cartoons.
>Parents are just held at a higher standard than your friends.
They shouldn't be. Everyone in your life can positively and negatively impact it, including friends.
>I don't know why you think my argument cause from some unresolved issue with my parents.
Because you keep coming back to how parents should be held to higher standards then friends. Friends can hurt you just as bad if not worse than family can.
>They shouldn't be.
That's not realistic, like objectively speaking you're wrong on this because it just wouldn't work, you'd be creating more problems if you're seeing everything on a 1:1 scale with acknowledging the differences. There are some things you can allow your friends to do that I wouldn't for my parents and vice versa. I'd be fine with me and my friends joking about inappropriate shit and make jokes at each other because as friends I recognize that we're on equal-ish footing and I treat them as my equal and vice versa.
I wouldn't let my friends try to "scold/lecture" me or try to treat me as if I'm lesser. I also wouldn't let them position themselves as a person I would address as sir or Mrs. because they're not my parents. As a child I'm afford my parents a higher level of respect and courtesy, when they're lecturing me or something it's not seen as a pretentious thing but just that I fricked up and they're trying to teach me.
Anyone can hurt you or help you, it doesn't mean you should all treat them the same at all.
>Because you keep coming back to how parents should be held to higher standards then friends. Friends can hurt you just as bad if not worse than family can.
Your argument is around this a friends, so yeah this will be a recurring thing. Just because friends can hurt you like family doesn't mean they are the same as family. Even if you call your friends, "family", you will never treat them the same as your parents, and this isn't saying you would treat your parents way better regardless, but you would treat them the same
>words
Are you an adult? Because both friends and parents can scold you if they feel you are doing wrong. It's up to you to accept it or not. My argument is that friends are not really friends if you can't criticize them the way you do to your parents. You seem to excuse a lot of your friends' behaviors while shitting on your parents when they do the same thing. It's ridiculous. Who's going to be around when all your friends shit on you?
If you think greentexting paraphrasing does anything then good luck.
>My argument is that friends are not really friends if you can't criticize them the way you do to your parents.
Yeah, you can criticize your friends and your family, but the same way because they aren't the same. Since it seems like you don't get it, I'll just explain it explicitly through an example:
If my friends and family both lied to me or stole my property, I would address it to them differently:
Friends) As friends I see them as my equal, we are at a 1:1 scale. While they aren't my family, as friends I would still hold them to a standard of not being a dick to their equal, or viewing me as someone to beat over since I'm a friend. Just because I'm more comfortable with them and lax, doesn't mean I'll roll over for them. If anything they would be treated on a higher standard than a stranger say insulting me or beating me because as friends we've established a certain level of trust and respect for one another
Family) When it comes to family, I'd be more upset and critical with them because they're my family. My wellbeing and state should be of higher consideration due to how intimate our bond is. I would be more furious if my sister stole a hundred bucks because the last person I would ever assume/expect could do that to me is my sister. I place her on a higher standard so things a stranger would do to me/friend would be more hurtful
This can be interchangeable depending on how you grew up and what you value more, your friends or families.
> You seem to excuse a lot of your friends' behaviors while shitting on your parents when they do the same thing. It's ridiculous. Who's going to be around when all your friends shit on you?
LOL, this is why I hate self-projecting or assumptions because they're usually 100%. If you knew me IRL, you would know them I'm very very critical over my relationships with friends, because I value my friends higher than my family and expect more.
>If you think greentexting paraphrasing does anything then good luck.
Cope.
>more words
You would let your friend beat over you because you see them as 1:1 with you.
>LOL, this is why I hate self-projecting or assumptions because they're usually 100%. If you knew me IRL, you would know them I'm very very critical over my relationships with friends, because I value my friends higher than my family and expect more.
I'm not self-projecting. Just stating the potential fact that your friends can and will betray you. All these words only for you to still say dumb things. If you value your friends more than your family and expect more, then how in the world can you disagree when I say Lapis should be held to a higher standard. You're doing the same thing with your friends. Also, if you value your friends more, what does it matter if your family fricks up, you don't like them as much as your friends anyway.
>Cope.
That's not cope, that's just you thinking it works
>You would let your friend beat over you because you see them as 1:1 with you.
No I wouldn't. Though it's clear that you don't actually understand what I said by 1:1. If you think that means that simply cause we're equal I'd take random BS, then you're failing to understand anything here
>Just stating the potential fact that your friends can and will betray you.
I haven't disagree with this at all, you're making many points I disagree with.
>If you value your friends more than your family and expect more, then how in the world can you disagree when I say Lapis should be held to a higher standard. You're doing the same thing with your friends.
This is how I know you're picking and choosing what you want to argue for. I already sad before that not everyone is the same and that by recognizing that you have standards to match that. You keep thinking that this means she gets a free pass or her flaws are ignored. I disagree with you think that Lapis should be treated equally with others in the show because that's not realistic at all. While my friends are held to a higher degree, it's not all the same. I hold my best friend higher vs a good friend vs a friend I'm now getting to know. They're all being held at a higher standard but it's not the same
>Also, if you value your friends more, what does it matter if your family fricks up, you don't like them as much as your friends anyway.
This is what happens when you don't read and think paraphrasing is better.
>I'll just explain it explicitly through an example:
>This can be interchangeable depending on how you grew up and what you value more, your friends or families.
Thanks for proving that you're just arguing things in your head than what's being presented.
What did Garnet do to him though? Unless you count Ruby and Sapphire shit, but then that's just Steven sticking his nose into other people's business and not staying out of it. You can't really fault the gems for "dumping their problems on him" when they weren't even going to him in the first place. Steven was the one who refused to mind his own business and decided to play therapist, Garnet didn't seek him out to dump her emotional baggage on him.
He kinda has to. Because Amethyst was trying to hurt Pearl and he didn’t want that. It’s like getting mad at a kid for trying to stop his dad from hitting his mom
Not really unless you think Peridot isn't a friend to her. Lapis is high management, but she's not too much for a friend to handle, she just can't be handled by most people. Lapis only really heals because of her new friendship along with her self work, moments where she's happy and vibing along with self reflections are proof of that. Also, stop pretending that everyone who disagrees with you is some fanboy/girl, at that point you're just fighting arguments in your head instead of the person
>Lapis is high management
Godspeed, anon, because you're going to be trapped with a crazy b***h with this attitude.
>apis only really heals because of her new friendship along with her self work, moments where she's happy and vibing along with self reflections are proof of that.
Self work? What self work? Sucking Steven's dick is not self work. Working on treating people better is.
>Also, stop pretending that everyone who disagrees with you is some fanboy/girl, at that point you're just fighting arguments in your head instead of the person
You are a fanboy. People who aren't would not be this insistent.
>Godspeed, anon, because you're going to be trapped with a crazy b***h with this attitude.
How so? Because I can recognize that people have gone through things in their and realize that, "oh, they come with a lot of baggage". You just sound like a person who doesn't go out or interact with a lot of people.
>Self work? What self work? Sucking Steven's dick is not self work. Working on treating people better is.
I'm questioning if you ever watched the show correctly or turned of your brain to the parts you didn't like. I already said what the self-work was, she's getting more tuned in with her emotions, and doesn't automatically go to be aggressive or leave when she cants cope. And when she does this she either recognizes it and stops or cools down and apologizes sooner than later. There's multiple episodes of this happening here.
>You are a fanboy. People who aren't would not be this insistent.
I'm not. I just find your argument to be incredibly oblivious and wrong. Imagine having an argument/debate with people in IRL and one of your points is, "you're being a fanboy/girl, stop obsessing"? You would just be laughed at or looked at weirdly, like you argument has gotten to the point where you're trying to discredit the person and not their points
>How so? Because I can recognize that people have gone through things in their and realize that, "oh, they come with a lot of baggage".
Because you are willing to deal with a ton of baggage and never expect better.
>You just sound like a person who doesn't go out or interact with a lot of people.
And you say I'm assuming things.
>I'm questioning if you ever watched the show correctly or turned of your brain to the parts you didn't like.
Oh, so now I didn't watch the show because I don't agree with your shit opinion?
>I already said what the self-work was, she's getting more tuned in with her emotions, and doesn't automatically go to be aggressive or leave when she cants cope.
Even in Future, she failed to do what Steven does in his sleep and ended up using violence against the other insane Lapises.
>Imagine having an argument/debate with people in IRL and one of your points is, "you're being a fanboy/girl, stop obsessing"?
This is Cinemaphile, not real life. Also, fanboy argument is a real one. People will ignore any flaws of a character because they like them.
>Because you are willing to deal with a ton of baggage and never expect better.
I'm not willing to, I'm saying that she comes with that shit. Relationships can grow over time and as they do you can raise or lower the standards you have for them.
>And you say I'm assuming things.
Because no one in real life would say this/agree with this. Ask your parents or friends and they will agree that they wouldn't treat them the same simply because they can do somethings things the same
>Oh, so now I didn't watch the show because I don't agree with your shit opinion?
No, I think you didn't watch the show because the show proves your opinion is wrong.
>Even in Future, she failed to do what Steven does in his sleep and ended up using violence against the other insane Lapises.
Are you really going bring up Steven from Future with the way he has acted there?
>This is Cinemaphile, not real life. Also, fanboy argument is a real one. People will ignore any flaws of a character because they like them.
Just because it's Cinemaphile doesn't mean that you seemingly drop IQ when you're arguing. Just because you treat someone who's damaged or dealing different doesn't mean you're ignoring their flaws, you recognize them and realize that they aren't like most people and you have to operate with them differently.
Lapis abused Peridot. She's not just "too much to handle" she's an unhinged sadist.
Do you care to give any examples?"
>she's an unhinged sadist.
Not any more she isn't.
Stealing her house, breaking her stuff, yelling at Peridot when she objects to leaving Earth, Peridot outright saying she doesn't have a choice in the matter and she has to do what Lapis wants, need I go on?
Yeah this happens, but it's not as if their relationship is just this abuser/victim relationship. It grows and gets better, especially in the episodes that focuses on what Peridot/Lapis' doing, and when shit does happen it's not left alone to bubble and explode.
>It grows and gets better,
When?
>especially in the episodes that focuses on what Peridot/Lapis' doing
What episodes? There's never an episode about those 2 together after raising the barn, Lapis never even apologizes for anything she did.
>and when shit does happen it's not left alone to bubble and explode.
It literally fricking is though, that's exactly what happens in raising the barn. Lapis takes the barn out of sheer spite towards Peridot not coming with her and destroys it later.
Calling Lapis troubled is a bit of an understatement my dude. She tried to drown him, his girlfriend, broke his dad's leg, stole all the water on Earth(which realistically would destroy Earth's ecology and irreversiblely damage many parts of Earth and result in the mass deaths of thousands if not millions of animals and Humans) tortured someone, abandoned all her friends to die and only came back when she realized she had no other options, etc. Lapis isn't just troubled, she's basically a villain who got to be considered one of the good guys cause the main hero likes her.
>I'm just stating that Steven should hold Lapis to the same standards as all the other gems. He didn't excuse Bismuth for her murderous intentions.
NTA. Lapis and Bismuth are two very different people with their own history, problems, and personalities. You can't treat these two people the same because ultimately they aren't the same person. If you're going to go down this road of absolutism then you're just arguing in ideals than reality. You wouldn't hold your best friend you've known for a few years the same way as you would for a friend you're just starting to get closer with.
OK, but why should you hold your parents to impossible standards then, anon? I'm sorry your parents weren't perfect but no one's parents are.
It’s regular standards for parents
>regular standards
>if you make a mistake, you're a failure and don't deserve kids!
You're acting as though G, P and A were purposely abusing the kid.
Who said anything about holding your parents to an impossible standard anon? Parents are just held at a higher standard than your friends. It doesn't mean that these standards are unfair or somehow mean one more important/worse than the other, you just recognize that the role/value a friend has on your life is different than that of a parent. Yeah my parents weren't perfect, but I know that no parent is, I don't know why you think my argument cause from some unresolved issue with my parents.
Yes, but like I said, she was a bigger c**t to everyone except for him, so of course someone as self centered as Steven would have no problem with her.
>obese child soldier raised by insane lesbians and cucked by curry gf decides to leave it all behind
understandable
Yep, they definitely dialled shit up to 11 when they really didn't need to.
Like yes, have Steven deal with his trauma, but don't go outright turning him into a different person. Him yelling at Greg honestly came across as one of the weirder elements. Given that he KNOWS how much Greg cares about him and how much Greg has been through for his sake, and yet he treats him like he's the scum of the earth for not introducing him to his grandparents (who he knows at this point that Greg had a pretty awful relationship with) or not trying to raise him as a 'normal human' when he absolutely isn't one and knows that (plus the gems basically strong-armed Steven away from Greg when he was a baby anyway)
>or not trying to raise him as a 'normal human' when he absolutely isn't one and knows that
Superman’s parents did.
The Clarks didn't have to fight alien invaders. Also they were human, not aliens.
Greg is a human
And he raised Steven for 13 years pretty well, even despite not being able to live with him, it's the Gems who fricked everything up.
It was also Greg for not stepping in.
And what's he supposed to do against the gems?
Anything
Such as?
What exactly are you expecting him to do? He can't just take Steven and leave, the gems are physically capable of stopping whatever he would try to do.
Also keep in mind that for the majority of Steven's life Greg has been poor and living out of his van, he's not exactly in the best position to be raising a child to begin with compared to the gems who are capable of building an awesome beach house + apparently have no issues financially caring for Steven either. On top of all that, Steven is half gem and Greg has no clue what to do if gem stuff happens while the CG's are at least somewhat more educated on the subject and might be able to teach him what's going on/how to control himself.
What Steven is physically kinda doesn’t mean shit in regards to his emotional needs. He’s a human with powers above all else and needed to be treated like a human
Steven had plenty of emotional needs met, you people just have insanely unrealistic expectations of what Greg should or shouldn't have done. Earth was being invaded by aliens, unless you expect him to murderwiener every gem on homeworld, there's not much he can do to prevent Steven from getting involved.
It’s more being there so he wouldn’t have to deal with stuff like Amethyst attacking him
He was there though.
Oh yea, lets just spend a bunch of money on a fricking RV so we can do a cross country trip while aliens can invade at any moment. You people are ridiculous.
Greg's a millionaire? Maybe more Schrodinger's millionaire, huh?
He wouldn't be a millionaire for long if he did what you say he should do. There's a reason why most people who win the lottery go right back to being broke very shortly afterwards.
RVs do destroy dynasties, you're right
He literally wasn’t in that episode
And? Steven in the gems weren't in Beach City, how is he supposed to know what's going on in that exact moment? Do you expect him to be telepathic? And Amethyst didn't even attack Steven. She was fighting Pearl, and Steven tried to get involved in shit he shouldn't be getting involved in, and she swatted him away. She's not going out of her way to attack him, she's preventing him from getting involved, as she should.
You’re supposed to know where your kids are
And she did hit him
Steven ran away without telling anyone. Again, is he supposed to be telepathic? And if Steven doesn't wanna get hit maybe he shouldn't be throwing himself into fights that don't involve him.
Like blaming a kid for protecting his mom from his abusive dad
Also he didn’t run away. His guardian took him. Really Greg is just awful at being a father
>Like blaming a kid for protecting his mom from his abusive dad
A child shouldn't be getting involved in a domestic situation.
>Really Greg is just awful at being a father
Again, how is he supposed to know when Amethyst and Steven just ran off without telling anybody? What the frick is he supposed to do you moron? Implant a tracking device into Steven so he can follow him 24/7? What is he realisticly supposed to do? Jesus christ, I can tell you don't have kids.
Kinda have to when you don’t want a parent to be hurt
Also call him
Is there phone service in a kindergarten?
It's over now, it doesn't matter, but for future reference:
>Whoa, Steven's really stressed out. I'm not sure why, but I think I'll take him on a road trip so we can have a little breathing room.
>That car's too small for a cross-country trip, Schtu-ball, let's get you an RV.
> What Steven is physically kinda doesn’t mean shit
I mean it does if what he is physically could potentially hurt/traumatize his classmates at school. Again, remember he almost fricking drowned himself and Connie when they first properly interacted because he couldn't control his shield.
The gems obviously weren't perfect but them thinking he was better off staying with/being taught by them isn't a super unreasonable idea given how nebulous his existence and potential was. Even then, they and greg did try to treat him like a normal kid for the most part, and obviously cared for him emotionally a great deal.
This isn't superman, Steven's got weird ass powers and the gems/greg had no idea what he was capable of while growing up and wanted to be on the safe side. Hell, he doesn't even age normally. It makes sense that they wanted to home-school him rather than send him off to public school where he could potentially hurt someone or do something dangerous with his power.
Hell the first real contact he has with someone of his own age is when he talks with Connie and almost fricking drowns the both of them in the ocean.
Superman also had weird powers and his parents didn’t know what he was capable of.
Supermans parents were just human though, and had no real choice but to try and raise him as a human, Greg and the gems knew Steven was weird from birth and the gems obviously wanted Steven to be with them because of that weirdness, in case he had weird powers and/or couldn't control himself (plus they seem to not want gem shit influencing humanity anymore, at least at the start). Plus it seemed like for at least a few years they thought Steven might randomly transform back into Rose anyway, they really had no idea what to make of him.
>and yet he treats him like he's the scum of the earth for not introducing him to his grandparents
yeah that is incredibly shitting. isolating your kid from human family that he clearly wants to know about (especially since his gem side of the family is a fricking mess) out of spite for his parents is beyond shitty
I felt so bad for Lars throughout the series
Sadie traps him and Steven on an Island in the claim that she's trying to 'help' Lars
Then gets his body taken over by Steven and when he rightfully snaps and freaks out The 'Cool Kids' (frick them) berate and come to Steven's defense despite the obvious
Ronaldo tries to sacrifice him to the gem Lighthouse monster
Died on homeworld and got brought back as some pink zombie.
He just wanted to fit in and be left alone...
You need to go through puberty to post on Cinemaphile
That's fine.
Woo, deleted that fast huh. What about
Nope, it's still up.
What even was that
Need more fitchub steven art
How does that work?
Post what you got
>mogs every emotional arc you painstakingly set up over 5 seasons and an epilogue in its first season
It's baffling how many more genuine emotional responses this got out of me than SU. Past Season 2 there's almost nothing really engaging going on in Steven Universe, and yet somehow they manage to cry over something almost every episode. It went from being funny to being cheap, once the actual emotional stakes were gone. The closest we ever got to Season 1's greatness was White Diamond delivering her fricking BARS to the CGs, but that all gets swept under the rug as literal projection.
Weird fetishy centaur-world actually made me cry real tears with episode 8.
Didn’t care for it past the first episode
>Did anyone else feel like he just kind of turned into a huge butthole?
No, not really. This is some dumb bait
he might've been sympathetic, but he sure wasn't likeable. This season left a sour taste on me
I agree, I don't believe it was the shows intention to portray Steven as making the best decisions. His road trip is essentially shedding his identity and connections for a bit for some personal introspection. He'll obviously still have a connection to his friends and family throughout his life. Will this be the best use of his time? I don't think so at all. He's an unstable monster that needs to put down, and I'd like to think he's being closely monitored on his personal road trip.
I prefer him going Homelander
>Not Omni-Man
It have their advantages.
Why would Luz date butthole Steven
She would definitely
Only if he grinds on her and grooms her using magic adventures
I can see that happens. Specially because those "Magic adventures" are definitely real.
It would be Connie all over again. Only this time Steven would know to keep her isolated and have the hormones to appreciate a cute brown girl
Didn’t know Luz liked chubby guys
It’s more a test. Frick the chubby guy, you earn the Chad
Are we going to discuss again how Chadven and his harem would conquer the universe?
Yeah go nuts about it
Multiverse
yeah, and apparently the storyline is inspired by some mental health advice book someone at CN handed sugar. really makes you wonder wtf was going on in that book
This show has alot of hiatuses
What should've happened
>"Hey Steven, I noticed you seemed kinda off back there."
>"...No, I don't think you're really fine. You know, I sorta understand what it's like. I mean not the whole weird flubby hair teenager thing, but maybe I could..I dunno...help out if you ever needed it."
>"Remember, if you need someone to talk to, you always got your best friend spinel haha!...See you around Steven. "
For some reason what the writers thought should've happened
>"HEYYYYYYY IT'S YOUR BEST FRIEND SPINEL! HOW ARE YA PAL!? LOOKIN DOWN? FEELIN DEPRESSED? HERE, THIS OUGHTA CHEER YA UP!"
>armpit farts
>"HEY, WHERE YA GOIN!??????"
Spinel is selfish yeah
Not really. I think his emotional breakdown at the end of the series should have come earlier, pre timeskip, along with shit like his dad being fricking horrible or the gems in general fricking with his mind constantly putting him in increasingly life/death situations.
that's just what being sixteen is like
I get what they were going for but Future made Steven come off as more arrogant than tragic.