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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What if Rorschach had an apprentice

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    of course not, because all it did was kick the can down the road for the next nuclear conflict

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Rorschach was killed by Kovaks before Manhattan destroyed the body. Kovaks reluctantly agreed with Veidt as he did with Truman, while Rorschach could not.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Manhattan knew it wouldn’t stop nuclear war and Veidts plan was doomed long term

    A) the art shows the doomsday clock was only set back a little, not stopped. Rorschach’s death literally just moved it back a little

    If you can’t see it. The steam and the doorway

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      B) Veidt talking about his dream ltiterally refers to the Black Freighter comic which shows all the atrocities the dude committed was pointless and saved nobody

      C) Manhattan says nothing ever ends and walks away, leaving only a mushroom cloud as he vanishes

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And as a bonus, the final page of the comic

        >Rorschach’s journal which would easily expose this entire conspiracy with a lot of corroborating evidence (e.g, nite owl and silk spectre breaking him out of prison must be public news) is revealed
        >last thing he says is Veidt is behind major horrific thing. On same date he destroys New York.
        >dudes shirt shows doomsday clock is close to midnight
        >final part of final panel shows midnight is hit

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh, I never noticed that part with the final panel. I guess Russia didn’t take kindly to an American trying to trick them

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well in the Watchmen world

            >russia built up its nuclear missiles way more in response to America having Doctor Manhattan and winning proxy battles like Vietnam
            >Soviets invaded Afghanistan (later than IRL) and were winning for some reason (maybe Americas more hesitant to provoke them because things were far more built up?)

            The Soviets finding out this whole space alien thing was a trick from an American billionaire would probably make them (rightfully) assume it was an American government plot

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            On a meta level I thing it’s meant to represent the many many times nuclear war was averted because one dude decided not to (e.g. President saying no to nuking Chinese during Korean War, Russian comms guy calling out false report)

            In the actual comic I think it’s clear any kind of peace Veidt established is very, very limited.

            The fact throughout the comic you covertly see Veidt owned companies massively advertised and commercialised (e.g. Gordeon Knot company fixes Dans broken door, his perfume Nostalgia is major plot device) snd immediately after the attack. His building companies are explicitly the ones restoring New York in his image

            Really show Veidt is not a hero in any sense. Literally every action was based on self interest ultimately. Even his murder of the comedian.

            >shall I kill the comedian with a poison that just makes it look like he had a heart attack because he is IN HIS LATE SIXTIES AND RIPPED AS FRICK?
            >nah, I will personally beat his ass and throw him out his window because he beat me up decades ago.

            It was clearly 100% personally motivated. Not because it “had” to happen that way

            And the irony is if Ozymandias didn’t kill the comedian that way. If he even just paid some dude to snipe him. There is no way Rorschach would have EVER stumbled onto anything to begin with

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >e.g. President saying no to nuking Chinese during Korean War
              MacArthur was right about that, though. If we'd just nuked Manchuria the world would've been a better place.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh, I never noticed that part with the final panel. I guess Russia didn’t take kindly to an American trying to trick them

          We should be looking at what the accompanying quote means.
          It’s taken from a song about a woman who commits suicide, because of her dead mother’s dissapointment in her, the inevitability of death, a possible failure to have kids, etcetera.
          And how the suffering she sees in all the world around her has finally, eventually built up a “stronger” more definite case that the world only exists for her to die in it, so she’ll kill herself now.

          Chances are nuclear war would not have happened before, but now Veidt’s actions will have finally convinced the world that it is inevitable, that they should get it over with and start nuclear war.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Damn, didn’t know the context for the song but yeah.

            Once the truth is revealed and how nihilistic the reality of the situation is shown to be… this would not surprise me.

            America couldn’t even trust its own prominent citizens, one destroyed a major city.

            The Soviets would attack or counter attack. Doesn’t really matter.

            Veidt would probably be in some bunker in the arctic whining about how it all made sense

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              If a private citizen can basically nuke a city on their own, it opens the door for a lot more chaos and a new kind of arms race. Ozymandias made everything worse because of his ego.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          To me, it would actually help Veidt’s plan for it to be revealed in a hard right publication known for its bizarre theories. We know media companies do this now, but intentionally not covering stories it leaves them to be covered by fringe publications, those same media companies then mock those fringe publications for covering the stories as a way to manufacture consent from the public.

          That’s assuming Seymour even suggests publishing the journal.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If this was a few years later I’d agree

            But this is the early days. This is hard evidence. They can’t discredit this journal they received on a specific date that references stuff that wouldn’t be in the news cycle for a specific time just because it’s a newspaper they don’t like

            At that level the federal government would confiscate all this shit to investigate

            I guess the question is whether Ozymandias has enough political power to sweep it under the carpet. But since he couldn’t even manipulate the presidency or government. This seems very unlikely

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > wouldn’t stop nuclear war

      Says who? The real world didn’t get a nuclear war, why would they ?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Watchmen was set in an alternate universe where superhumans existed and Nixon was still President. Not to mention the advanced technology that existed as a result of Jon and Veidt’s ideas. The environment was much different in their world.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The reason nuclear war was more likely in Watchmen,

        >US used Dr Manhattan as a weapon and deterrent
        >usedd him to win Vietnam
        >in response Soviets built up their arsenal to compensate because the alternate is one dude could stomp them
        >sino soviet split never happens due to escalation rather than the actual Nixon tactic of going to China to bring friendly relations

        They say in the comic Jon couldn’t stop all the nukes so we just have to accept it as fact

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, he did.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don’t think nuclear war was going to happen in watchmen.
    The two most obvious evidences being that it’s based on a historical time where, famously, we didn’t go into nuclear war and eventually stopped being afraid of eachother. Watchmen history is slightly different but the story doesn’t call much attention to this.
    The other being the black freighter story, whose plot twist was that the pirates were never going to attack the mainland at all, and it was merely an irrational fear of the sailor.
    The Doomsday Clock is really just a metaphor for people’s fear of annihilation from any source, by failing to set it back it rather shows Veidt has done little to save humanity in the long term. We still fear nuclear war today, for example. Perhaps that fear is something we can never be rid of ever again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Problem is all the Alan Moore interviews where he’s very clear on his predictions for the future being massive inspirations for his comics

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Except the farthest the Doomsday Clock has ever been from Midnight was 1991, to say we can't set it back in modern day is being overly doomer.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly yes.

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