>there is valid evidence for such an interpretation. Their relationship is outside the social norm and not totally understood by their peers, and yet their bond remains unbreakable. They are constantly paired off together in The Lord of the Rings, and they are repeatedly attentive to each other's needs and health. Considering all of that, there is a strong case for fans to interpret their relationship as queer and romantic, despite the lack of explicit confirmation within the text.
https://www.cbr.com/lord-of-the-rings-legolas-married-gimli/
>do you know HARD i was stimming this entire video.
Gotta use that one in the future. Fricking hilarious.
Part of me doesn’t entirely blame the Tolkien fan community for going kinda far out there at this point. The Hobbit is from 1937, every scrap of paper Tolkien ever wrote afterward from the Silmarillion to his personal letters has been read a trillion lifetimes over. I’m not immediately involved in the Tolkienverse—I’ve read the major books and seen the six movies—but it doesn’t strike me as a particularly compelling universe to get into considering it’ll never be expanded or adapted properly ever again. Unless I’m confused about a plot point or a concept I’m not going to touch the LotR subreddit whatsoever.
Like, I don’t get how Uruk-hai we’re actually heckin radfem FTM trans analogs, but we already debated Tom Bombadil versus every character united at once 400 times already, I feel kinda burnt out
Why do women and homosexuals have such a hard time understanding friendships
Women don't have any real friends and gays are sex addicts.
>there is valid evidence
anyone who believes this is a massive homosexual
I unironically believe Tolkien was a gay. There are so many suss passages
>>The hero of the The Hobbit is suspiciously single. In Tolkien’s Unfinished Tales, the wizard Gandalf says “he never married. He was already growing a bit queer, they said, and went off for days by himself.”
>Or as another version puts it:
>“…he had never married. I thought that odd… I guessed he wanted to remain ‘unattached’ for some reason deep down which he did not understand himself—or would not acknowledge for it alarmed him.”
>>“In his lap lay Frodo’s head, drowned deep in sleep; upon his white forehead lay one of Sam’s brown hands, and the other lay softly upon his master’s breast…”
a battered Frodo, Sam is deeply moved to an emotional discovery.
>“He shook his head, as if finding words useless, and murmured: ‘I love him.’”
>In the movie version, after the ordeal at Mount Doom, Frodo wakes up in bed alone. In Tolkien’s version, Frodo and Sam are in bed together.
Bro this is fricking gay shit
You're just a gay moron
Serious question, do you really believe its innocent male friendship to hug your naked sleeping friend, whisper "I love him", and sleep in a bed with him while he's still naked?
You think thats straight people shit? Cause I fricking dont.
That’s because youre gay and can’t picture it without a wiener in your ass
so you think its normal to hug your naked friend? yes or no.
Yeah of course
:l
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Im not sexually attracted to men. So it wouldn’t bother me to see a penis in a proper context like a locker room or skinny dipping. I know thats an alien concept
hard to believe since most channers are antisocialites, but good friends (male and female) will touch, hug, and sleep in the same bed together, say 'I love you' and be emotional together. It's not about sex.
>but good friends (male and female) will touch, hug, and sleep in the same bed together, say 'I love you'
do they do it naked?
It's not really the case nowadays in the west, but it was socially acceptable (and even expected) for male bros to be a lot more touchy-feely with each other. "Bros sitting on each other's laps" is a old-timey photograph genre of itself, doesn't mean they wouldn't beat you the frick up if you asked them if they were sodomites.
To see a modern example of that go to a place Saudi Arabia, where bros walk around holding hands and nuzzling each other (no homo) https://www.thenationalnews.com/arts/ask-ali-gulf-region-arabs-respect-elders-by-rubbing-noses-1.346225
Ironically enough it's gay culture that killed that kind of behavior in the west. If the assumption is that only romantic lovers do that kind of stuff, then men won't do it with their bros.
Tolkien captured that in his books.
Dad is in an almost identical photo in the 70s. and me in the 2010s
Arabs are huge repressed gays, bad example.
>and sleep in the same bed together
You thought you'd slip this one in without me noticing, didn't you?
>Sam's brown hands
I knew it, he was Mexican.
he WAS a gardener.
>Did Tolkien intentionally queer-code Legolas and Gimli?
You tell me
One of the main reasons he goes to Valinor is to see Galadriel again. He will ask for three pusy hairs this time.
Galadriel is just Gimli's gay hag
How did these people even have the demographic strength to survive the War of the Ring? Tons of characters are unmarried or only have one kid. Boromir is a bachelor at 40 even though he's lined up to be de facto king after Denethor.
And that's without other moronic shit like randomly leaving entire regions wild(medieval conservationism?) or none of the dwarves bothering to send supplies, reinforcements, or just a basic checkup on Balin's Moria expedition.
Everything makes more sense when you look at the events of the books as an "after the fall" situation.
It's not immediately apparent because the POV is mostly through the eyes of the hobbits, who generally think and view the world as a child would.
But the actually state of it is one where an apocalyptic war happened and almost all developed societies fell and/or were decimated. Who was left standing is fighting over scraps of what was once great.
Many of the races in Middle Earth are long lived. Elves are immortal and will perish with the physical realm, dwarves live for several centuries, men with Numenor blood like live for 300-450 years. Lesser men and hobbits had normal lifespans of up to 100 years, Boromir had some Numenor blood within him and some of his ancestors lived to be 150, so its not too strange for him to be unmarried still. And in any case, it is stressed at many points that the strength of the old powers like the elves and Gondor are diminishing and fading.
>And that's without other moronic shit like randomly leaving entire regions wild(medieval conservationism?)
If you're talking about the areas around Minas Tirith or Edoras being uncultivated, well I believe thats just a weird movie thing though I'm not sure.
>none of the dwarves bothering to send supplies, reinforcements, or just a basic checkup on Balin's Moria expedition.
I believe thats part of the reason why Gloin and Gimli were in Rivendell, they were seeking news about Balin and Moria.
>How did these people even have the demographic strength to survive the War of the Ring?
They didnt, thats sort of the point, the elves are massively diminished as a result of fighting a genocidal war against satan which literally destroyed the world. They won the war of the ring thanks to the strength of a few brave hobbits
It’s weird how despite all the bE wHo YoU aRe gay agenda shit they’re still pushing the idea that two close male friends = gays.
Fricking a pretty elf femboy wouldn't be gay if you were the top anyway.
Sneed
Another one for the list.
i still don't understand why they can't just be friends. their minds are in the gutter of course but they never say 'in my opinion, this in my conjecture, i surmise that' but tote it as factual. but why CAN'T they just be friends? what is the relentless necessity to WRITE in between the lines instead of just reading?
I thought Legolas was girl first time I watched Lord of Ring movie. He pretty like girl.
>all male friendships are gay
why are libtards like this
>staunch Catholic born in the late 1800's was actually secretly writing gay characters
The world would be a much better place without people who think this.
>catholic
>not a boy raping repressed homosexual
pick one
you understand that english catholic schools were known for their buggery
sure thing moshe
it was like arab societies, men hold hands and are very touchy with each other because there's no concept of being gay so its not gay
like in war and peace soldiers constantly hug and kiss and shit but its not gay because people didn't think of it as being a thing
lets just pretend bacha bazi doesn't exist
Afghanistan isn’t an Arab country so anon’s point still holds.
Do men in Arab societies also choose to never see their kids again just for the chance they can spend the rest of their life with the man they proclaim to love? In a totally heterosexual sense, of course
Huh?
so is it in her contract she must always be nude? not complaining but wow, what a specimen.
Lawrence of Arabia noted that buggery and other homosexualry was really common among the Arabs and turks.
they're into some weird shit because there isn't a public concept of being gay but they're extremely repressed and horny so they'll just frick things and not think of it as gay and can hold hands with their friends without people thinking its gay
Yeah the way I understand is that for them buggery is something that you do, not what you are and being the penetrated party is more shameful. More of a private vice than a political movement.
Two guys can be friends. It's a thing,
>Two guys can be friends. It's a thing,
But eventually it will lead down homosexual feelings.
Loving a man is always gay. Real men are only vaguely friendly toward each other in rare moments of peace between struggling in ideological and physical combat with each other for decades.
I think WoT got male friendship right, and female one for that matter
Tolkien touchi friendships always felt kinda homosexual to me.
Been a while but I think it’s just really about juxtaposing their wildly different races, it’s humorous and entertaining. Also their brotherly pact is even more endearing considering, I’m not a Tolkien expert but I think their races have bad blood when they meet.
friendless ghoul
No it was just two different races who had beef becoming friends it’s not sexual
Why do homosexuals do this
>They are constantly paired off together in The Lord of the Rings, and they are repeatedly attentive to each other's needs and health.
yeah, battle buddies.