I think it's one of Garth Ennis' best works, I liked it much more than The Boys and his work on Marvel's MAX imprint for starters, although it does lose a little bit of steam by the end.
Some ideas are good, but I don't really like Ennis sense of humour. I prefer when he writes all grimdark gritty shit like the Punisher. Ennis makes 10 year old jokes about dicks, shit, and frick in the ass.
He also builds too macho characters, without the cons it shows in other works.
But I did like how the character of Cassidy changes as he is shown his true self.
>Ennis makes 10 year old jokes about dicks, shit, and frick in the ass.
This is what I got out of his Punisher, except also censored so it was super cringe. I tried Welcome Back Frank and then Punisher and they were awful. Should I just skip them over and start at MAX?
there is some humor in Punisher Max but yeah it's not comical at all like the Marvel Knights. there's also no superheroes or anything of the sort, just Frank Franking Franks
Oh, you are right. I remember how many times people get shot in the dick, how a novice FBI agent gets his dick caught and is laughed at for pages and pages, and how the "love interest" is way too obsessed with Castle's dick size.
Really, Ennis has a fixation.
I dont remember who wrote MAX, but
I liked it well enough.
>He also builds too macho characters, without the cons it shows in other works.
One of the main points in the series was with Jesse being too macho that his relationship with Tulip won't work.
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The MK and Max series are pretty different tonally, which is nice so you can recommend a reader the other series even if they didn't like the other.
>He also builds too macho characters, without the cons it shows in other works.
One of the main points in the series was with Jesse being too macho that his relationship with Tulip won't work.
>Ennis makes 10 year old jokes about dicks, shit, and frick in the ass.
This is what I got out of his Punisher, except also censored so it was super cringe. I tried Welcome Back Frank and then Punisher and they were awful. Should I just skip them over and start at MAX?
The MK and Max series are pretty different tonally, which is nice so you can recommend a reader the other series even if they didn't like the other.
>He also builds too macho characters, without the cons it shows in other works.
literally jesse's arch is that he learns to stop being macho. shit, even in the boys that's one of the last things butcher says to hughie, that the whole macho thing is bullshit
>Ennis makes 10 year old jokes about dicks, shit, and frick in the ass.
I prefer David Hines. He makes grown up jokes about dicks, shit and frick in the ass,
I got farther in it than The Boys but that's not saying much. Reading it for me was kind of like the end of The Matrix where Neo becomes the One and sees everything for the code that it really is, except in this case I was trying to see the fiction and get into the story and characters but could only see an Irishman ranting and/or giggling to himself.
I genuinely enjoyed what I read of Hitman though I haven't finished it yet. The Section Eight stuff from a couple years back and the Dick Dastardly book got plenty of laughs out of me.
It is awful, edgy, and blasphemous along with every single comic he makes. It is not even offensive, it is tremendously dumb and purely designed for millennials who are still amused by the "shoot the teletubbies with the minigun" parodies.
I liked it when I read it roughly twenty years ago. Now I appreciate it for certain things, but overall am not particularly into it anymore like I did back then. It’s very much a product of its time, commenting on the contemporary USA of 1995-2000, in good and bad ways. Its strength lies in its character work and commentary, while the comedy kinda distracts from it if you don’t pay attention.
A bit of a mixed bad but certainly an important comic in history.
When last I revisited it (second read), about two-three years ago or so, yes, I really liked it.
One of the most entertaining westerns in comics, and some of the best characters and interactions in comics as well.
Not everything was great, but overall it was a lot of fun.
From what I remember, Arseface and a few other things were mostly not very funny, the plot wasn't great despite having a pretty good sense of adventure, and the art kind of lost its sheen by the end. I liked the little bits of Cormac McCarthy and William Burroughs. >whining about muh grimdark
I take it the people who really have disdain for it are either religious, or like real unfunny shit like Slott, Russell, or Spencer comics.
>I take it the people who really have disdain for it are either religious, or like real unfunny shit like Slott, Russell, or Spencer comics.
"Grimdark" is not unique in the slightest, it is tremendously dumb since it is two-dimensionally contrarian and pessimistic towards low hanging fruit. These types of comics have reddit morals that try to be sophisticated, but end up being contradictory, partisan, self-refuting, and dumb in the universe that it is in. Whenever there's an "anti-war" theme, the protags still wage wars before and after, it is just shown gruesomely whenever it is done by the villains. They magically don't incur casualties with the destruction and beatings they do. Whenever there's an "anti-dictatorship" theme, the protags just regain their global totalitarian control away from the antagonists. Whenever there's an "anti-religion" theme, it is really only against Christian boogeymen who hold mean signs. Very rarely against Islam or Judaism
Comics like these are appealing if you're an underage kid rebelling against your Christian parents, but if you have watched actual film or read literature then you would see that it is more juvenile and cartoony than adult and grounded. Those mediums have covered dark subjects, but it is done with more nuance and taste than whatever comic book writers come up with.
Ennis was always a hack and it is apparent in his later comics.
I'm well aware Preacher is a dumb comic. I still liked it. There's plenty of religious works I love, from music, paintings, books, and movies.
Now, are you so angry because I falsely accused you of liking such unfunny shit, or because I was right?
smegma... there, now you know what Preacher is
weird and disgusting stuff if you like it. the fish fvcking was disgusting.
he is just another schlock writer trying to shock the audience
I think it's one of Garth Ennis' best works, I liked it much more than The Boys and his work on Marvel's MAX imprint for starters, although it does lose a little bit of steam by the end.
Some ideas are good, but I don't really like Ennis sense of humour. I prefer when he writes all grimdark gritty shit like the Punisher. Ennis makes 10 year old jokes about dicks, shit, and frick in the ass.
He also builds too macho characters, without the cons it shows in other works.
But I did like how the character of Cassidy changes as he is shown his true self.
>Ennis makes 10 year old jokes about dicks, shit, and frick in the ass.
This is what I got out of his Punisher, except also censored so it was super cringe. I tried Welcome Back Frank and then Punisher and they were awful. Should I just skip them over and start at MAX?
there is some humor in Punisher Max but yeah it's not comical at all like the Marvel Knights. there's also no superheroes or anything of the sort, just Frank Franking Franks
Oh, you are right. I remember how many times people get shot in the dick, how a novice FBI agent gets his dick caught and is laughed at for pages and pages, and how the "love interest" is way too obsessed with Castle's dick size.
Really, Ennis has a fixation.
I dont remember who wrote MAX, but
yes, I liked that a lot.
Ennis wrote the first sixty issues of the Max series and later minis and one-shots
I liked it well enough.
>He also builds too macho characters, without the cons it shows in other works.
One of the main points in the series was with Jesse being too macho that his relationship with Tulip won't work.
The MK and Max series are pretty different tonally, which is nice so you can recommend a reader the other series even if they didn't like the other.
>He also builds too macho characters, without the cons it shows in other works.
Pussy opinion
>He also builds too macho characters, without the cons it shows in other works.
literally jesse's arch is that he learns to stop being macho. shit, even in the boys that's one of the last things butcher says to hughie, that the whole macho thing is bullshit
>Ennis makes 10 year old jokes about dicks, shit, and frick in the ass.
I prefer David Hines. He makes grown up jokes about dicks, shit and frick in the ass,
Literally the same juvenile shit.
Not my fault you can't appreciate artistry anon.
I got farther in it than The Boys but that's not saying much. Reading it for me was kind of like the end of The Matrix where Neo becomes the One and sees everything for the code that it really is, except in this case I was trying to see the fiction and get into the story and characters but could only see an Irishman ranting and/or giggling to himself.
I genuinely enjoyed what I read of Hitman though I haven't finished it yet. The Section Eight stuff from a couple years back and the Dick Dastardly book got plenty of laughs out of me.
It is awful, edgy, and blasphemous along with every single comic he makes. It is not even offensive, it is tremendously dumb and purely designed for millennials who are still amused by the "shoot the teletubbies with the minigun" parodies.
I don't think it's that edgy, at the end true love wins, Cassidy gets a measure of redemption and the universe is better off without its creator.
It is mega cringe and it appeals to neurotic millennials.
I liked it when I read it roughly twenty years ago. Now I appreciate it for certain things, but overall am not particularly into it anymore like I did back then. It’s very much a product of its time, commenting on the contemporary USA of 1995-2000, in good and bad ways. Its strength lies in its character work and commentary, while the comedy kinda distracts from it if you don’t pay attention.
A bit of a mixed bad but certainly an important comic in history.
When last I revisited it (second read), about two-three years ago or so, yes, I really liked it.
One of the most entertaining westerns in comics, and some of the best characters and interactions in comics as well.
Not everything was great, but overall it was a lot of fun.
From what I remember, Arseface and a few other things were mostly not very funny, the plot wasn't great despite having a pretty good sense of adventure, and the art kind of lost its sheen by the end. I liked the little bits of Cormac McCarthy and William Burroughs.
>whining about muh grimdark
I take it the people who really have disdain for it are either religious, or like real unfunny shit like Slott, Russell, or Spencer comics.
>I take it the people who really have disdain for it are either religious, or like real unfunny shit like Slott, Russell, or Spencer comics.
"Grimdark" is not unique in the slightest, it is tremendously dumb since it is two-dimensionally contrarian and pessimistic towards low hanging fruit. These types of comics have reddit morals that try to be sophisticated, but end up being contradictory, partisan, self-refuting, and dumb in the universe that it is in. Whenever there's an "anti-war" theme, the protags still wage wars before and after, it is just shown gruesomely whenever it is done by the villains. They magically don't incur casualties with the destruction and beatings they do. Whenever there's an "anti-dictatorship" theme, the protags just regain their global totalitarian control away from the antagonists. Whenever there's an "anti-religion" theme, it is really only against Christian boogeymen who hold mean signs. Very rarely against Islam or Judaism
Comics like these are appealing if you're an underage kid rebelling against your Christian parents, but if you have watched actual film or read literature then you would see that it is more juvenile and cartoony than adult and grounded. Those mediums have covered dark subjects, but it is done with more nuance and taste than whatever comic book writers come up with.
Ennis was always a hack and it is apparent in his later comics.
I'm well aware Preacher is a dumb comic. I still liked it. There's plenty of religious works I love, from music, paintings, books, and movies.
Now, are you so angry because I falsely accused you of liking such unfunny shit, or because I was right?
>Grimdark
Use this term only when talking about your sissy capetrash. Don't use it when talking about original work.
Yeah, pretty cool.
>Cinemaphile of all places complaining about edge
Loved it.
smegma... there, now you know what Preacher is
weird and disgusting stuff if you like it. the fish fvcking was disgusting.
he is just another schlock writer trying to shock the audience
Not really. Whatever was great about this book somehow faded around "Hunters" arc.