>Disney villains before: “I literally made a pact with the devil to kill the protagonist”
>Disney Villains now: “I can’t grant every wish cause some people have dumb,unnecessary and dangerous wishes”
>Disney villains before: I literally made a pact with the devil to kill the protagonist
He steals people's dreams and any memory of the dream altogether for his own selfish ends. Genuinely dystopian shit.
just don't give away your wish bro
Then don't promise to grant all wishes
He doesn't. Retard.
To the public he was pretty much promising to grant wishes. He's not saying he only limits certain wishes. For all we know, he actually has that criteria of not letting harmful wishes come true. It's just that he doesn't grant all the harmless wishes. At best he's scamming people and worst he's the equivalent of the eBay seller not giving you your purchase and giving you partial Alzheimer's instead.
Holy shit dude you are fucking stupid.
>inb4 "not an argument"
You're literally just spouting fanon and inventing details that don't exist. You don't deserve a rebuttal, you deserve insulted.
Isn't everyone doing the same thing? We're just getting info from that leaked Golden Book which just makes the main heroine a reckless brat. I'm going from details that said he's keeping away the memories of wishes and that TV spot where the heroine acknowledges that dangerous wishes shouldn't be granted. Even people agree that Magnifico steal memories of wishes and say they shouldn't rely on him for wishes then. When people stop relying on him for wishes for a wish granter that doesn't have the risk of losing their memories and he becomes antagonistic, yeah now he comes across as more villainous since he wants them to come to him even though it can potentially harm them.
Answer the question instead of giving me thus MatPat-tier crap.
You didn't ask a question and even if you did, this was pretty explanatory.
That scammer isn't a bad guy! It's your fault you got magical memory loss from his scam, you should've known better
>steals
Literally making shit up.
>people who has evil wishes are removed from their memories
he's a hero then
I love how the 'critics' here are just desperately inventing a new scenario in their heads to turn criticism of this movie into some kind of moral issue. The plot is not that this guy is taking away evil wishes, the plot is that he is taking away any wish that he does not view as directly beneficial to his regime. The guy you're quoting is correct in that it is dystopian as fuck, and if a woman was doing it, you'd agree.
The film looks like, like most Disney flicks, mostly bland, inoffensive, and uninteresting. You likely don't need some baseless moral degeneracy argument to criticize it, and really, you should have learned from the last times you tried this shit to not go in like this on something before the film comes out. I doubt you want a repeat of the frantic scurry to save face over Mario and GotG3 by your types.
>The guy you're quoting is correct in that it is dystopian as fuck, and if a woman was doing it, you'd agree.
Isn't the kingdom portrayed as utopic? The MC only complaint is that her grandfather isn't a talented artist.
The defining characteristic of a classic dystopia is that it often looks like a utopia at first glance.
Taking the wishes don't seem to affect the population in any way, really.
Just the MC.
If somebody removes every memory you have of your greatest desire in life, that would be a pretty significant effect upon you. I doubt you'd submit to that willingly without, as the people in this film are, being deceived into it.
Yes, but why doesn't it affect the kingdom? All teases are about the people being happy.
>If somebody removes every memory you have of your greatest desire in life.
>I doubt you'd submit to that willingly without, as the people in this film are, being deceived into it.
I would probably be better without it or magnifico would grant it to me.
>All teases are about the people being happy.
Yes, that's how dystopia works anon, you show everyone looking happy and then there's a dark secret behind it.
>I would probably be better without it or magnifico would grant it to me.
That's a ridiculously stupid perspective that you would not have if you weren't looking for reasons to hate this premise. Assuming you have some kind of dream for your future and you aren't just coming at this from the perspective of a hopeless dude that can't imagine such things, there's no way you'd be cool with that being taken away on the basis that the wish granter guy can't see a way for him to benefit from it.
The problem is that the dark secret doesn't seem to affect the anyway.
There are not dull eyes, painted smiles, or any other clue.
>That's a ridiculously stupid perspective that you would not have if you weren't looking for reasons to hate this premise.
My wish is to kill myself, or to stop being a mentally unstable failure and be a productive member of society.
I'm pretty sure the star doesn't grant suicidal or harmful wishes. It at least doesn't affect the wisher's mentality.
>Brainwashing is okay as long as I'm happy.
What about the mindset of "if I let myself be complacent to a brainwasher, then I'll deserve bad things happening to me."
Even if he erased my memories of those wishes, they will end up returning.
The Brave New World scenario doesn't affect the population either. The difference is the story has an alternative that doesn't require a Brave New World dystopia but the villain dislikes that and wants to eliminate the star. The villain wants to keep the dystopian system even if there is an alternative.
In BNW there is another option, the islands.
That makes Magnifico even more villainous since he's trying to eliminate the equivalent of the islands in his story.
Asha is more like if John somehow found a way to challenge the main society.
Asha sucks and much like Raya no one will remember her.
There's only one porn pic of her
Of who? Asha or Raya? Because, man, the lack of rule34 is like the biggest fucking evidence that your story and character designs failed to meet the target audience let alone a massive one. People are more interested in that dragon from Raya than the actual human. I have to imagine Raya either has zero personality and is presented so dully and flat that the dragon is virtually designed to steal the show. Asha is just a freckled, fully-clothed Pocahontas variant. Looks boring as fuck but maybe her "quirky" nature will endear her to porn artists or people looking to commission. I doubt it, though. She just looks like such a basic bitch.
No one lost in that wish. And if those are the sorts of wishes Magnifico is granting over over more ill-defined, vague wishes whose interpretation could potentially cause detrimental harm then how is he a villain? He denies wishes, and then he kills the impulse which motivated that wish by taking it so that the person won't bother coming up to him with "dream: version 1.2" or any other obnoxious variants that would otherwise hinder process.
>Its my dream to open up my own restaurant Magnifico.
>Those businesses have a 90% turnover rate within in the first year of operation. And you're a corner cutting fuck-up who knows nothing of how to pay or discipline employees. You know virtually little of the industry and only have a handful of comfort-style dishes that you can do from memory all of which you've never prepared for another living soul. Wish denied. Go think about what you really want to do before you bother me again. No more of this chef shit because you love the idea more than testing your skills or learning and refining recipes
And then the guy will fuck off and, because life is vast, will be hit by another desire sooner or later. Magnifico suffers no bullshit. Asha strikes me as another whiny female protagonist screaming for a man who has privilege/power to share. When she brings nothing to the table.
>over more ill-defined, vague wishes whose interpretation could potentially cause detrimental harm then how is he a villain?
from what i understand asha's grampa wish was "I wish to create something that will inspire everyone" (and the lesson is that he did, because that something is Asha) and like
Of course I'm not granting that wish? Pick up a guitar lesson old man, clearly your kingdom isnt starved for resources, do the work.
No you just wanted to to be a celebrity influencer for how darned nice you think you are, no wonder your family is trash
Asha, there are 4 of Magnifico, one of the goat and one of the star.
Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. They shouldn't have gone with the fucking cornrowed hair. I just know between that and her freckles that something is holding her back.
Yes, it is several months old
Well once the movie is in full swing the lewds will pick up.
Should've kept him like that. He can literally be the wish fulfillment husbando that can be "fixed" that women would want.
Her hair is awful because little girls won't be able to brush her in doll form.
>and if a woman was doing it, you'd agree.
Not if she was also hot.
Don't they literally visit him and give them up?
From all across the world
>"If you're nothing without the Wish, then you shouldn't have it."
Why does Disney want me to get fucked by this man so badly?
>Why does Disney want me to fuck this man so badly?
FTFY
It isn't working, there is barely any porn.
Not even from the usual artists like phausto.
I know, he is mid it's just that the rest of the movie is so meh he stands out
Maybe then the movie drops he will get more but he won't be next Flynn Rider or Tadashi for sure
Yes, his design is too safe for a villain
He’s hot af and I’m tired of pretending he’s not
Yes, I don't understand the lack of porn, normally there would be a few dozen by now.
Why the big eyes? Why does every CGI Disney movie character has to have big puppy eyes? It wasn't like this with 2D Disney. The artstyles used to be varied.
>a generation of children grow up on Disney animation
>this inspires the development of anime art styles in Japan
>Disney falls out of popularity in the west and anime takes its place
>now a generation of children who grew up on anime works for Disney as artists and animators
It's all come full circle.
imo it's the popularity of bug-eyed children's toys
>i want to murder and rape every villain
>sorry dude gotta take away your wish bro and your lust for that wish
>noooo u cannot help me heeerrrrroooo
True, but by the end of the movie the heroine ends up doing the same, just “good” this time
That's true, but I kinda chalk that up to just "it's a fairytale" type of storytelling. Asha getting the wand could open up for a sequel where it gets stolen or something but we can just assume they live happily ever after as it is.
>for his own selfish ends.
Which are? Do the bad wishes give him more power somehow?
He wants people to keep relying on him even if it gives them memory loss in the process instead of seeking the better alternative.
But the memory loss doesn't seem to be a big deal.
>Controlled Alzheimer's isn't a big deal.
you always have the option to not give him your wish
>steals
people do it of their own free will
>for his own selfish ends.
What ends? Keeping the wishes doesn't give him any power, and him keeping them is not tantamount in him holding on to the power he already has.
What even is his motivation for keeping them, besides the whole "some wishes are bad"?
Apparently it does, but the writing is a messier version of Tay Lung and Vincent from over the hedge.
Well, viewing it from a villainous perspective, I could see stuff like removing the wish of someone that wants to be a great artist or something because he thinks his kingdom needs people in more practical careers. In that case the wish he's removing isn't actually objectively bad, he's just stamping down on certain occupational aspirations that he doesn't value.
That just makes him a bit of a control freak, and for a medieval king, leaves him on the extremely mild end.
If that is all it takes to be the big evil villain, then it sounds like they have more of a problem with feudalism as a system and the power that rulers hold, even though they just have the queen take over at the end.
If it had been a real world king, he would just have outright banned artists, or just taxed them until it became unrealistic to become one.
You don't understand. If anyone does anything to ever stifle my unrealistic dreams of being paid to be a useless layabout they are literally worse than Mussolini, Stalin, Hitler, Satan, and (AOC forgive me for saying this) Donald Trump. Any such person should be drawn and quartered and murdered in the most painful way possible.
>If it had been a real world king, he would just have outright banned artists, or just taxed them until it became unrealistic to become one.
That's true, but there's a key difference here that makes what this guy is doing even worse than that. What Magnifico is doing is, at its worst, a minor form of ego death. He's potentially removing a core or foundational aspiration from a person. In your scenario someone wishing to become a great artist could practice art in secret, or perhaps turn their more practical trade into an art (such as a woodcutter carving figurines on the side). In Magnifico's kingdom, someone wishing to become an artist could come to him, proclaim their wish, and then have their desire to create art completely eradicated from their brain—and then go back about their life as a version of themselves that never wanted to do so in the first place.
That is extremely fucked, and while the movie itself might not be competently written in a way that properly conveys that horror, it is still a horrific thing for a villain to do. It would unironically be less evil for him to be an outright despot infringing on the freedom of his populace, because at least then his downtrodden people would be cognizant of what they've lost and could potentially fight back to reclaim it.
It's each person's fault for trying to take the easy path in the first place.
Exactly. Just say no and go your own way. If Magnifico is the highway to the casting couch, press junkets and yachting to keep your lifestyle afloat then the opposite is like acting in the theater, making your own indie films to get your ideas out there or making a YouTube to generate content.
Yeah but now he has a loyal Knight for life. Someone asked to be given purpose and they were molded into a figure for national defense. I assume the magic of the wish would make him proficient at following orders and knowledgeable at keeping others safe. He's a body between invaders and Magnifico and now he has slavish loyalty because he's living his dream. I can't think of a greater danger than a sycophant who has been given even an iota of power.
>Yeah but now he has a loyal Knight for life.
Sincerely, did someone lose in this wish? Magnifico and the kingdom gained a loyal magic empowered defender, the dude gained purpose in life.
>Yeah but now he has a loyal Knight for life.
He's part of the coup against Magnifico. He's as loyal as the queen.
That would hold water if it wasn't for the fact that only the person making the wish loses knowledge of it.
In any realistic scenario, people would very quickly realize that not only did their friend/family member not get the wish fulfilled, but they also lost the memory of their own wish, and people would very quickly start asking questions about it.
So either they know it happens, and are okay with it, or the entire kingdom are idiots.
Why assume that their friends and families don't have their memories of the wish wiped, too?
At least in the book that is very much not the case.
Well yes, that's where the bad writing comes into play. But conceptually it's a pretty villainous power.
Didn't the movie details say he gets powers from the wishes. So maybe the system is like he needs those wishes to give him the power to grant wishes, but it comes at the cost of not remembering the wish. Maybe the wish was a simple solution to a problem, so when the wisher forgot about the wish he had to figure out more complicated ways to solve some problem. Meaning more wishes. More wishes more power to keep his position of wishgranter secure. Secure wishgranter position means unlimited celebrity status and adoration. Who cares if the more reliant the people will be on his wishes, the less lucid they'll be.
If that's true, its an incredibly complex moral quagmire with no clear correct resolution. Would number of wishes need to be denied and consumed to keep the power of wishes alive? What wishes should be prioritized to maintain the wellbeing of the kingdom at large? Is there a way to stop people from wishing for baseline success and happiness, particularly proportional success and happiness (ie: I want to be the best baker in the world!) without turning them into permanently depressed zombies? What external threats does the kingdom face where these wishes can be used as a resource for protection?
The only clear moral choice is to end wish granting entirely because you're trying to balance extremely ethereal concepts like motivation and meaning of individuals vs practicality vs personal bias and narcissism. I doubt that's what the MC sets out to do and I'm 100% sure she's never put in the position of the person who has to answer these questions herself.
>see family be sad
>wish for happiness
>denied and forgotten
>come home and see family be sad
repeat
>come home and see family sad
>dont care
>give something to someone
>HE STOLE IT
Stay made native amerifag
He doesn't steal anything
>Be magical King that can grant wishes
>Tell his people if you give him your wish he MAY grant it but until it is granted you will forget about the wish you gave him.
>In return regardless of if he grants your wish or not you are allowed to live in his domain under his protection for free
>He decides what wishes he grants based on if they will be good for the kingdom as a whole or if they'll cause harm.
>Grants about 14 wishes a year so about 1 wish a month
>This system also allows him to take dangerous wishes and remove those harmful wishes away from someone, and they'll forgot about the "Evil" wish they had wanted.
>Aside from this wish he takes from everyone who willingly gives it to him he takes nothing else.
I legit don't see how he's the bad guy. These people choose to give up on granting their own wishes themselves and turned to him as an easy fix. Not to mention there's probably a price to be paid to grant a wish.
I mean what's the alternative? Give back the wishes? Ok he gives them back but then those people have to leave his lands/protection
Can you imagine if every single person who wished for a relative to be brought back to life or to be the best at something remembering getting denied?
There'd be civil war in a day.
the trailers present this as a wish he grants
Happy families
How is he doing anything wrong? Just hold onto your dream if you don't believe it in it enough. I know the message is likely some kind of "don't give your dreams away" thing but man he's literally doing nothing wrong here. The added bonus is that if you forget your wish, if it was going to bring some form of evil or ill intent, then you'll never generate that thought again and nothing bad can come of you giving birth to a less-than-moral desire. It gets put on a shrike tree or something to die and you live your life until you get another stroke of genius.
>>In return regardless of if he grants your wish or not you are allowed to live in his domain under his protection for free
This part kinda fucks up the moral ambiguity of it.
He's doing something good even if he's being sort of controlling about a different thing.
especially if you remember this is supposed to be Andalusian Spain
that much melanin girl, that would not have been working out ok for you back then
kek look at this snowflake hillarytard seething
I'm conservative dude.
It feels like an attempt at a metaphor for the modern copyright system. Disney doesn't like laying in the bed they made
Which is contradicted by the story itself because Asha's grandpa has been waiting for his wish to be granted for years and acts like a pitiful sad sack every time it's not picked.
I fail to see why I should feel bad for an old dude who is too lazy to just git gud.
If his dream really mattered that much to him, and not just the superficial fame and fortune that would come with being a good artist, he should work for it then.
And if he's too lazy to work for it, why should he have a dream he's too lazy to even bother fulfilling himself.
Yes, Asha motivation is that her grandfher didn't win the lottery
>My grandpa's wish should be granted
>Why?
>Because he wants it to be!
>Desire isn't enough.
>Well it should be!
The above is retarded. I sincerely hope that isn't what they go with.
>W-well keeping wishes is wrong!
>Why?
>Because then people can't work to accomplish their wishes by themselves!
>Why didn't they do that before bringing the wish to me?
>Shut up!
Hope they don't go this route either.
Oh it's worse they go with a shitty Pop Science bullshit "We're all made of Star Stuff (Wishes) so we can make our dreams come true all along."
Wait why would he remember his wish. Why the fuck doesn't be just pick up an instrument. Fuck he's worthless
Good, people are stupid and don't deserve to have dreams. That's how communism happens.
Simple stories are frowned upon by modern critics, regardless of their actual value.
Simple stories are frowned by a lot of modern people regardless of politics. Doesn't have to be avante-garde but it needs to be complex enough that I can care for it.
There's also a difference between complexity and substance.
You can say Marvel is complex and I promise you that I can't care for it in the slightest. Demon Slayer is fairly simple, but I find it easy to be invested in.
I saw that tweet too
Why is this board 90% twitter reposts
Culture war obsessives come on here to post things they're too afraid to post on twitter.
then they aren't twitter folk
It always has been but It's gotten really bad lately.
It has not "always been", election tourist. Twitter didn't even fucking exist when this board was added, and it was years before anyone besides twitter users gave a fuck about twitter, and even longer before right-wing organizations and foreign governments realized posting random twitter bullshit on Cinemaphile was an effective way to radicalize young people. We had YEARS where twitter garbage was basically nonexistent on this board.
Don't be an asshole
There is basically no difference in userbase between twitter, reddit, Cinemaphile and other big monopoly websites anymore. Everything's centralized and the cultures all mix and anything you see on one site will 100% be on all the others. You see youtube zoomer memes get spammed here. I hate Cinemaphile so much yet I come here every single fucking day, kill me
>zoomer memes
Zoomers are like 26 now, it's gen A making all the 12 and what is this memes you hate.
Kinda funny that one of the wishes he grants is making some fat guy a knight. He’s a king. Dude doesn’t need magic to make him a knight, and now he has an unskilled fat guy on his defense force.
>and now he has an unskilled fat guy on his defense force.
Granting every wish doesn't work. We've seen it in Bruce Almighty and in Wonder Woman 1984.
Nuance was a mistake
He says only people who don't want to put in the effort to actually achieve their goals willingly visit him.Those people deserve nothing. Lazy people deserve to not get what they want.
>Blames people's loss of will and memory on them for coming to him
>Gets upset when people stop coming to him.
It's exactly what the type of scenario of some corporation saying free market is the best but then depends on the government when the competition by the free market actually threatens them.
The binary of good and evil in children’s media has been broken down, now conflict is just a differing perspective stemming from different lived experiences.
The problem is this is portrayed as binary, Magnifico is supposed to be 100% evil/wrong.
In a western democratic and free perspective, yeah. He's wrong. Everyone should be free to have a wish and fail miserably at attempting to pursue them
Maybe asian cultures would agree more with the king, like Japan, where the wellbeing of the collective is more important than the individual one
The problem is that it is basically lottery/casino
Supposedly, after years of democracy, population should be used to it and be highly educated and prepared so they don't vote dangerous or terrible ideas into power
That's how you would stop a second Hitler without cutting his freedom of speech.
People should be smart enough to reject hateful and dangerous ideologies, in theory
I meant the wish granting, reading the the story book made me think Asha was entitled brat.
"Highly educated" = "Only people who agree with me"
That's the selling point of progressivism: "We're the smart ones, if you disagree you're dumb!" It's an effective tool in shaming impressionable people into falling in line and then in preventing them from leaving because they don't want to side with the uneducated dummies they've come to view all other perspectives as.
Yeah I notice this insufferable arrogance a lot, they can't fathom that someone can disagree with them, without being stupid or evil
With highly educated I meant people taking seriously an election and not voting for "the funny one", "the popular one", "the handsome/cute one", "the loudest one", "the guy who promised everything and obviously will not deliver", "the one from my party because I don't like the other party" just because they think it's a popularity contest in their high school, instead of voting for the one that would be the best for the interest of them and their community
You know, getting involved in politics and really know what are the proposals of the candidates
>Reee I mean the people who are think like me and agree like me- I mean te highly educated who take it super serious like me!
>I want only informed people voting
>Also voting should be compulsory
Which is it Liberal man?
>the one that would be the best for the interest of them and their community
>he unironically believes that any politician has any citizen's best interest at heart
lmao you'll stop being 16 years old someday and you'll know better.
>Reminder that Hitler took the Weimar Republic out of the hyperinflation crisis the ~~*bankers*~~ put it in.
>population should be used to it
makes sense
>and be highly educated
?
what does education have to do with democracy? explain. you cannot just drop that unrelated point to the mix
>what does education have to do with democracy?
you make indoctrinate people to vote for 'correct' candidates
>you make indoctrinate people to vote for 'correct' candidates
uh. it makes sense. the State has a "monopoly" n modern education nowadays
You know how you keep dangerous people out of power? You make sure that the government doesn't have any power to allow dangerous people to do their will.
Right. Let corporations and big business have all the power.
Except the entire premise of the movie is a jumbled mess so no conclusion or analysis can be made
Magnifico does not steal anything, people give him their wishes willingly and he does not stop anyone from pursuing them on their own so why does Asha hate him again?
I thought it was implied in the trailer that people don't know this guy doesn't grant all wishes and erases their memories when he doesn't make them come true
It sounds like the guy is making false advertising, which is not the same as willingly giving your wish, and brainwashing them so people believe he is granting all wishes, so he can be praised as a wishing god or something
But we can't truly know until the movie is realized
I didn't know till know about the rest. They sell the movie that this guy just picks ans chooses who's wishes he grants and that's what makes him evil.
They're letting the animators (a bunch of mentally and emotionally stunted man/womenchildren) write the story, instead of hiring talented writers. Such as, oh, say, a novelist. Why not hire a NOVELIST to write the story for your depraved funko pop animators to be set to work drawing? They gave the reins to the slow kids of the class and these are the results.
democracy is such a scam
Cope China.
Is it really a liberal perspective only when even people who're less hard on Magnifico agrees that you shouldn't be dependent on the King if you don't want to lose your memory just for a lot to chance for a wish?
>Everyone should be free to have a wish and fail miserably at attempting to pursue them
The problem is that they ARE free to do so. They voluntarily give it up in the hope that someone else will grant it for them.
But they are in medieval Spain, making him right.
Every person in Hamas: we wish for Palestine to be free from the river to the sea
>Disney: wait not like that!
Letting everyone do what they want with no regulation isn't democratic.
>Disney heroine before: enslaved or cursed by otherworldly evils.
>Disney heroines now: my grandpa lost money in a casino.
>Magnifico is able to make wishes
>Doesn't wish for Asha to die from a heart attack and whipe everyone memories of her.
Is he lazy?
Man
You people really love fascism, huh?
No decisions to make, no agency, just a big strong daddy figure to tell you what to do and what to be.
That's not facism retard
Answer honestly. If not to this post, then to yourself.
Have you ever read a non-fiction book outside of a school assignment? The whole thing?
>Hitler and Mussolini lost.
So did Stalin.
Good.
Benevolent tyrant, his evil is both told and too abstract.
Looks like I struck a chord
Enjoy pining for a strongman to take away your pesky freedom
The problem is that the movie ends with another strong (wo)man in place.
>Watching the movie
The plot leaked a while ago, the story book was even story timed.
You struck a cord because you don't know what fascism is. You're not offending fascists, you're offending the non-retarded.
Dumbfuck Reddit tourist needs to get hit by the bus he came in on.
May I have an older brother figure instead?
Why not be the older brother figure instead of relying on one that believes brotherly love is transactional.
Twas an 1984 joke
I love when leftist think fascism is a right winged thing and then support it for their side.
just dont give him your wish bro
Did this movie come out? Why would you retards discuss the plot we don't know yet?
because the book that spoiled the entire plot already leaked months ago
Because the premise is more interesting than what the writers and director actually chose to do with the story. Cinemaphile has theorycrafted lots of different scenarios to flesh out the characters and dynamics of the plot. We do that as we wait for this shit to hurry up and not make any money or receive any positive word of mouth beyond shills. The film sounds like a dud but who knows? Elementals didn't "bomb" it just had a really slow theatrical run and ended up with what I would consider a profit but I don't know how box office intake works against advertising budgets.
Like, Elementals has a budget of $200 million and has brought in nearly $500 million through the box office. Raya had a budget of $100 million and raked in a box office of $130 million. This might flop too. Or it might have..."legs".
i forget the wish but would people around me forget it if i told them or wrote it down
Villains now: “I can’t grant every wish cause some people have dumb,unnecessary and dangerous wishes”
You skipped the part where he lies to the people so they keep coming giving him their wish and pretend he grant everyone's wish.
>and pretend he grant everyone's wish.
Does the movie ever do this?
Why does he look so effeminate and unthreatening?
What happens to the people who lose memory of their wish without it getting granted? Does he replace it with an innocuous wish, grant it, and they walk away thinking he granted their wish? Or do they just forget they even gave him one? Wouldn't people start wondering why they came to him in the first place if they can't remember wanting him to grant their wish?
>Or do they just forget they even gave him one?
One plot hole is that the ceremony is public.
>motherfuckers in here are actually convincing themselves that the story to a DISNEY MOVIE is "man won't grant rape wishes" in order to have something to complain about
Nigga, it's a Disney film, the wishes he's taking away aren't your debased aunt rape fantasies or whatever, are you retarded? He's taking away stuff like wanting to be a great violinist or a great artist or whatever, because it doesn't help him out in some way so he sees those dreams as useless.
Touch grass, holy shit.
It wouldn't be an issue if they just treated it more like an actual fairy tale where they don't try to have a conversation about the logic and both sides of a magical element.
Like, they have a conversation where the King and Asha talk about how there are bad wishes, too. Okay, now that's in the audiences heads: The concept that there ARE dangerous wishes being kept in bubbles in that ceiling. We can't ignore this being a possibility because the script writers decided to bring it up. Now it's a talking point when we discuss whether the King is right, wrong, or in the gray area of morality for his decisions.
They needed to make the magical element WAYYY simpler. Like, wishes should simply be vague "hopes and dreams". Wishes are just positive energy made by humans and the King is stealing it to give himself magical powers. The whole, "People come to a ceremony, ask for a wish that is put into a bubble, and then get amnesia!" shit is just way too convoluted to work for magical and spiritual concepts.
TLDR: Don't address shit in a script if you don't want the audience to address it either.
Anon, the plot is explicitly that he doesn't grant or give back innocuous wishes that just aren't beneficial to him in any way he sees. It doesn't really matter that there are a few actual bad wishes; it doesn't justify hoarding all the completely harmless ones, which we know he's doing because that is the stated premise.
The bad wishes line is just meant to be his personal cope explanation.
But my point is that the other anon says people are dumb for even thinking that the population of Rosas would have rape wishes or whatever. But the script itself explicitly states that there IS such a thing as dangerous wishes, and Asha even tries to argue that they can be stopped.
If Disney did not want people to think that rape, murder, stealing, and other criminal wishes were a thing, they shouldn't have brought it up.
Honestly, even if 'dangerous wishes' are mentioned, I think we can be pretty certain that the degenerate sexual fantasies of Cinemaphileners are not what the film is talking about or will even come close to engaging with. You cannot possibly think that that the actual premise for the bad guy being a bad guy is that he prevents rape, rather than that he takes away harmless dreams that aren't useful to him.
Yeah the issue here is that people here are hearing "there are bad wishes" and think of people wishing their neighbor was dead or their sex slave or whatever, when what Disney is probably thinking of is stuff like people wishing they had ten billion gold ingots or a pet fire-breathing dragon. Though I'd still argue they should have been crystal clear about that to prevent these kinds of arguments to begin with.
That's the whole issue with the premise. If the conversation made it clear that, whatever, only good, unselfish wishes can be bubbled up and given to the king, that there were no bad wishes among them, Asha would have more of a point. Maybe there would be more consequences down the line to granting all of them, but on its face, Magnifico looks more selfish and opportunistic to take those away.
But because the writers are also tripped up on the logic of "but what if bad wishes existed" then they had to put those words in Asha's mouth and now the audience has free reign in imagining what those bad wishes are. Hell, Bruce Almighty is always brought up now with the non-malicious lottery ticket example. Wanting to win for yourself isn't bad, but when numerous people all want the same, they all end up with the short end of the stick.
>using zoomer insults
>ever
For someone claiming to be thicked skinned you sure are a pussy and fucking retarded. You should touch grass first by jumping off the largest building in your neighborhood.
just dont give the goverment your will to be a good musician expecting it to come true like magic
They could have given us a masterpiece, but they took all the wrong decisions.
>Cool shapeshifting wishing star guy
>No we need to make it a goofy/cute easily turned into merchandise star thing.
I can feel the corporate hands in the decision making from here.
The star guy is kino. I miss him.
>no villain couple song number
FUCK YOU DISNEY
They make his wife "the good ruler" by making her a non character.
Disney's known to make the worst decisions.
okay so this is Neil Gaiman's stardust, but just not as good?
>young but charming Magnifico and what looks like it promises to be a love story between he and Asha
Lots of Peter Pan vibes in the first pic.
>Magnifico is an evil cunt and his wife is naturally in on it
This makes the most sense to be. It's retarded that his wife turns on a DIME because some peasant she's only spoken to one other time earlier in the film cries about not having her wish granted or some shit. There isn't some kind of fucking "oh, just the husband is dealing with this shit and the wife is totally oblivious to the monster he has become!" and it's a shitty fucking narrative premise anyway because it's BORING on top of being unrealistic. Epstein got two rounds in the back of his head and a suicide letter--do you think they just let Ghislane go on her merry fucking way as if she had nothing with keeping up the empire Epstein had cultivated? NO! Forcing the queen to have blinders on throughout this entire film and only taking action when the protagonist brings it to her attention as opposed to being "in" on it the entire time is fucking gay. Really flies in the face that this is a shitty movie for babies to not think critically about. It is expected, which makes it boring.
>Lots of Peter Pan vibes in the first pic.
The Peter pan is the proto wishing star, originally it was a shapeshifting twink
I think this is what I hate the most. When was the last time they made an evil couple that happily helped each other out? man I feel robbed.
Yzma and Kronk, I guess. But a married evil couple would have been something new. Idiots.
Nah then she'd been greedy about the wishes or some shit. Can't have a woman with negative traits. They already fucked that up with Raya.
How is everyone discussing this movie in such detail when it's not even out yet? Did a screener leak or something?
The plot and premise have been leaked. Some people are indeed making wild assumptions counter to the actual plot as described though.
Disney released a book with the whole story months ago. It was storytimed here.
They also released a book with all the good ideas they had and never used. A lot of people is mad about all that lost potential.
trailers nowadays describe the whole movie
>so african she has straight up cornrows
>supposed to be Spain Spanish
Yeah Europe should nuke America, this is a war crime.
Like I said before, despite being called a moor, she is obviously an african american
America is a global cancer. Please, Putin or Pooh-bear, please drop the nukes.
This is the kind of slop you get when people stop reading challenging literature. "Boo hoo I want my YA slop, brain off just masturbate to love triangles and yasss queen Katniss 80 lb girls using a warbow." They've never had one debate in their life they didn't cry their way out of. No wonder the Chinese are dominating academics, going against soft lazy American pea-brains raised on corn syrup and doritos. Disgraceful.
>t. underaged culture warrior
Live long kid
>Forgetting the most beautiful part of themselves.
Barely last a moment before trying to change the rules. Nice.
Imagine all the degenarate shit he has seen. No wonder he steals the memories of those wishes ever existing
One important thing is that wishes are temporary, and people can and have multiple greatest wishes.
>want to be a cook
>visit the king
>tells him your wish
>king steals your wish and memories of that wish
>nobody ever questions why pablo never talks about his dream anymore
tbh they deserve it
you talk about your dreams to other people?
Most people talk about the job they want to have.
maybe everyone forgets the wish
But Asha and her family are aware of the unfulfillment
It is the kind of stuff you do with you family and friends.
We are talking about Magnifico.
The star is the alternative to Magnifico.
We were talking about Magnifico's memory erasure.
Considering the story book, I am sure it was added to make him more villainous, but they ended up creating plot holes in the process.
So the shit only happens because Magnifico refuses to grant a monkey paw wish?
Basically, they seem to have added some stuff to make him more villainous.
Originally Asha was pissed that her grandfather didn't hit the gacha pity.
>Basically, they seem to have added some stuff to make him more villainous.
>they seem to have added
Dude, it was always there.
The people are aware in some leaked drafts, Asha decided to be Magnifico's apprentice because she heard that his servants and their families always get their wishes granted
>the end of the story book is something that Magnifico himself calls out in the trailer
heh
Totally not a villain...
Character is evil because.......... they look crazy in this single frame!!!
Not his fault. If you had to hear stupid wishes for decades you'd go insane too.
He's definitely evil, but part of the problem is that this movie's conflict is boring BECAUSE he's so evil. It would be interesting to see a battle between how to use wishes right or if to use them at all between two characters who are morally equal. The actual movie is gonna be about a bunch of good people in a boring kingdom fighting a very evil king. That's not interesting nor worthy of discussion, so people talk about the morality of magical wish-granting because that's more interesting.
I saw the recent Digimon movie and I thought the "villain" would end up being straight up evil cause he had moments like this, but he just ended up being a confused baby and there wasn't really a villain.
Even visual ques can't damn a character anymore.
Still would
This thread is full of retards who grew up thinking Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind made any sense. Fact of the matter is that it's horrible to have a dream that will never come true, Magnifico is doing a humanitarian service by removing people's dreams so they can live blissfully ignorant.
If people who forget their wish will still have the desire deep inside them, making them longing, wouldn't that just make them wish for that thing again?
People that write this shit have the most fucked up sensibilities. Not just in Disney but entertainment as a whole, they come from extremely sheltered and privileged places and have little to no experience with hardship or sadness. So the idea of someone taking a wish is pretty big for them. I imagine that a movie where the bad guy doesn’t let them have what they want for their birthday, or calls them names in high school is next.
>Have desire for X
>Give wish to Magnifico
>Either get it or lose that desire
>Lose another earthly desire and thus the suffering it causes
>One step closer to Nirvana
Thanks Magnifico
Western culture is so rotten they have a pants-shitting temper tantrum on the floor over removing impossible desires. Education being dumbed down is making dividends. 3 generations ago they were learning Latin and philosophy in high school. Now high school grads can't add fractions or write a complete sentence, even the white ones.
My interpretation of the plot from what I'd seen so far was that Magnifico is a half star person tasked with granting wishes for the people of the kingdom, but he was misusing his powers for personal gain and to maintain power. As a result he was being stripped of his powers, and rather than accept that he resorted to forbidden magic to defy the stars, which would be what kicks off the plot.
The way it's actually structured has REALLY strong vibes of "white man owes me" in a way that's offputting.
I used to think this was about keeping villains in the realm of likeability in case the stars align and you get another Loki situation.
But I'm honestly starting to think it's because people really like projecting their insecurities and personal frustrations onto villains (think of how Volemort has essentially become a political figure for many people over the years) and making villains seem more reasonable, and not outright evil, makes it easier for people to project real world grievances onto the villain, making the whole situation more relatable.
Think:
>"UGH, he's just like my dad who thinks he knows what's best for everyone!"
Chasing "relatability" is destroying all fiction.
This movie just seems like commie propaganda to me.
>guy has power to make everyone live comfortably
>but refuses because of some shallow strawman excuse
>hero needs to take them out to redistribute the wealth so everyone can just magically live happy because that's how life works.
Seriously the more I learn about the film the more the villain is right and the hero is just a seething commie upset they have to work.
>>but refuses because of some shallow strawman excuse
does he?
No point do we see the kingdom of rosas to be in squalor
In fact, the Queen admits to being *spoiled* by him
Yes, just see the introduction video.
kingdom looks dope
A+ work king magnifico, keep it up
Shitty stupid fucking clothes. What is this? The Hunchback of Norte Dame? These outfits suck dick.
look you had 21st century americans trying to design "spaniard" aesthetics, of course they gave everyone ponchos, it's not that complicated, californians are retards
Yes, they failed why Magnifico is evil.
It is one of those "he is right until he suddenly start eating babies".
Yep all of a sudden he became the Super Evil.
And that's what makes me inherently dislike Asha. If Magnifico was a fucking Bastard like an evil guy should be then her ideals would shine as the light in the dark the people around her have lost the ability to see. But as it stands much like
and
said , "relatable" evil and the poor, POOR writers who don't have the imagination to come up with something that doesn't mimic or mirror their everyday lives.
Reminds me of that Jim Carrey movie where he becomes God. He tries to grant everyones prayers only to realize it really wasn't a good idea.
When was the last time Disney had an actual villain in a movie?
I want to say frozen, but he was barely one.
Moana, but only because the writers snuck Tamatoa into the middle of the film instead of having him as the main antagonist
Twist Villain? Big Hero Six
General villain, Tangled.
Clear villain from the start, Princess and the Frog
Wishing is easy. At a certain point though you have to stop wishing and either take the chance to make it real and fail or just keep wishing and never try. Modern writers don't want that risk of failure so dreams have to stay dreams.
How big will be the box-office?
The decline of media literacy (and general literacy) has come home to roost. Pampered nepo babies are to blame. Suffering really does build character and the current cretins infesting western animation are soft upper middle class pamper-assed wimps gone soft in the brain.
The issue would be if the kingdom wasn't a prosperous wonder
I like his song a lot
This is the thanks I get is a bop
>Disney Villains now
It's just 1 villain, snowflake.
The only one they've had since the mid-2010s
MagnifiCUTE!
What can I say except you're welcome