It's a dumb piece of dialogue, in a battle renderes completely pointless by the ghost army, who are then rendered pointless because Mordor still has like a million troops. Definitely the weakest of the trilogy
the ghost army was best left unseen like it was in the books
I think the problem is that the ghosts like a re-usable nuke in the movies, but were they really? Maybe they were killable during battle, even if they had floating powers. Also, if the witch king survived he probably could use some insane magic to deal with them, so maybe they had to be unlocked first by eliminating other sources of magic
>In the book the Army of the Dead appears and scares away the Umbar pirates from their ships allowing Aragorn and reinforcements from southern Gondor to sail quickly to Minas Tirith and help win the battle. >In the movie they are a deus ex machina; sweeping away Sauron's entire army in about 45 seconds like some kind of video game.
what did Peter Jackson mean by this and the many other additions, subtractions, changes, dialogue spoken by different people, new characters, and new scenes?
>What did Peter Jackson mean by this
Probably that making Return Of The King 6+ hours long just wasn't practical so he sped things up with convenient ghosts
This. While there are some things to b***h about RoTK for, most notably Denathor and Faramir, the ghosts weren’t one of them.
To make it book accurate they’d have to establish the minor kingdoms of Gondor, introduce all the Dunedain and Elrond’s children, establish the Umbar as blockaders rather than just reinforcements, then, on top of showing the corsairs getting spooped and overrun, have the battle be an extra ten minutes long to account for Imrahil’s sally, Eomer going on a suicide charge and the reinforcements finally cutting Mordor off.
Merry stabbed the Witch King with a fancy dagger that fricked him up. Dundain blade? At least in the book he did. He stabbed him in the movie but they never mention what blade he uses.
member when this was just a pretty bad ass scene people cheered about in the theatre? that was before 20 years of blue haired hambeast wanna be writer dykes used the trope for everything over and over again
>trying to dunk on autists to feel good about himself when he doesn't know what he's talking about
oh dear, your life must be utterly shit
"...and not by the hand of man will he fall"
it's a prophecy about the witch king that he won't be killed by a male that the witch king, in his arrogance, takes to mean he literally can not be killed by a human
oh yeah that was it.
I remember being extremely annoyed at how dumb that sounds way back in school when we had to read Macbeth. Maybe when it was originally written in old English vocabulary half millennia ago it made more sense because caesarean somehow neglecting "being from a woman" sounds moronic
Anyone could technically kill the Witch king. It was destined that a woman would kill him, not that he couldn't be killed by anyone else. How do you zoomies not realize this? The Witch king is still a living mortal man (although his life span has been prolonged)
Cringiest line in the trilogy 100%. Would have been hated if it came out today. I also wanted to say series but I forgot that The Hobbit and Rings of Power exist
HOW TO BEAT: Witch-king Angmar >Be man >Nazgul says no man can kill me >Say let me see >Angmar lets you stab him >Identify as woman >He dies >Identify as man again
magic is all about semantics
This. All crazy buffs like immortality come with some stipulation which is the loophole to get around it. Like horcruxes, or Achilles heel.
Magic is israeli in nature. Of course it's gonna be based on the most specific of pilpul.... I mean semantics.
Should have invested in metamagic nazgul
It's a dumb piece of dialogue, in a battle renderes completely pointless by the ghost army, who are then rendered pointless because Mordor still has like a million troops. Definitely the weakest of the trilogy
the ghost army was best left unseen like it was in the books
I think the problem is that the ghosts like a re-usable nuke in the movies, but were they really? Maybe they were killable during battle, even if they had floating powers. Also, if the witch king survived he probably could use some insane magic to deal with them, so maybe they had to be unlocked first by eliminating other sources of magic
>In the book the Army of the Dead appears and scares away the Umbar pirates from their ships allowing Aragorn and reinforcements from southern Gondor to sail quickly to Minas Tirith and help win the battle.
>In the movie they are a deus ex machina; sweeping away Sauron's entire army in about 45 seconds like some kind of video game.
what did Peter Jackson mean by this and the many other additions, subtractions, changes, dialogue spoken by different people, new characters, and new scenes?
In retrospect you can see the problems that would plague the Hobbit starting to build in RotK.
>What did Peter Jackson mean by this
Probably that making Return Of The King 6+ hours long just wasn't practical so he sped things up with convenient ghosts
This. While there are some things to b***h about RoTK for, most notably Denathor and Faramir, the ghosts weren’t one of them.
To make it book accurate they’d have to establish the minor kingdoms of Gondor, introduce all the Dunedain and Elrond’s children, establish the Umbar as blockaders rather than just reinforcements, then, on top of showing the corsairs getting spooped and overrun, have the battle be an extra ten minutes long to account for Imrahil’s sally, Eomer going on a suicide charge and the reinforcements finally cutting Mordor off.
Now post the troony edit so I can leave the thread.
how did they get away with it bros? No way they would be able to do this scene today
why are you obsessed with trannies?
Merry stabbed the Witch King with a fancy dagger that fricked him up. Dundain blade? At least in the book he did. He stabbed him in the movie but they never mention what blade he uses.
Why didn't they just set him on fire again? It worked when aragorn did it, at least it bought days of time.
>At least in the book
So non-canon as far Cinemaphile is concerned. Go to Cinemaphile is you want to talk about the books
merry stabs him in the movie too, which was the real reason why eowyn could kill him
member when this was just a pretty bad ass scene people cheered about in the theatre? that was before 20 years of blue haired hambeast wanna be writer dykes used the trope for everything over and over again
TOLKIEN IS A HACK
much better, why didnt they do this so it would be accurate
He didn't say that
Jeez chud Sauron lost. Get over it
Merry was a hobbit though, not a man.
Hobbits were a subspecies of Men
Just get an Elf to kill him then.
technically it was a sword who killed him not the woman
The riddle of steel.
this is what it always meant. "i am no man" was just a little ironic humor, you autists.
>trying to dunk on autists to feel good about himself when he doesn't know what he's talking about
oh dear, your life must be utterly shit
"...and not by the hand of man will he fall"
it's a prophecy about the witch king that he won't be killed by a male that the witch king, in his arrogance, takes to mean he literally can not be killed by a human
>Well technically when I said no -ACK
t. autist
Have you not read or seen MacBeth?
Semantics are the bane of prophecy
no, everyone itt is a literal moron and do not read shakespeare
Yes the world of LotR is one where words have power over reality.
read the books homosexuals, it's a prophecy
>READ THOUSANDS OF PAGES TO GET THE NUANCE BEHIND THIS WOMAN PANDERING
And I thought capeshitters were pathetic
>the purpose of reading books is to better understand their movie adaptations
a glimpse into the mind of a manchild
Go watch the latest show of the MCU capeshitter. Don't want to miss the timeline
>angry pajeet misunderstands comment and makes nonsensical reply
lol
>I'll call him pajeet. That will redeem my favorite capeshit from 20 years ago
>i'll imply i'm not a pajeet, sirs, then they will not redeem
ok apu
I see we dun got ourselves a PECULIAR poo
>THOUSANDS OF PAGES
it's just 1500 mongoloid
>GO READ 1500 PAGES TO GET THE NUANCE OF THIS WOMAN PANDERING
>it's not thousands of pages, it's 1.5 thousand
Really anon?
in the books "man" meant mankind, humans
a hobbit killed him in the book
>Do nazigirls care about semetics?
>pandering to edgelord 12yos who want to be nazis
kwab
I'm partially israeli and seeing that made me partially hard. I think you're just gay
>israelite twerking for nazis
oh dear
cute
>no man can kill me
>ACTUALLY I'm a woman!
If my memory serves me right this was used in some other book/myth/legend
anyone?
lord of the rings?
I knew some gay was going to make that joke so I put the word "other" in that sentence.
Sorry you failed the internet today, try next thread
lord of the rings?
No man of a woman born can kill MacBeth, but MacDuff was from the womb untimely ripped
oh yeah that was it.
I remember being extremely annoyed at how dumb that sounds way back in school when we had to read Macbeth. Maybe when it was originally written in old English vocabulary half millennia ago it made more sense because caesarean somehow neglecting "being from a woman" sounds moronic
What
Said, MacDuff was delivered through cesarean.
Anyone could technically kill the Witch king. It was destined that a woman would kill him, not that he couldn't be killed by anyone else. How do you zoomies not realize this? The Witch king is still a living mortal man (although his life span has been prolonged)
no. his arrogance was his undoing. fpbp, magic is all about semantics.
It's a Shakespeare reference
Moner asscheeks
>Clearly mean race of man
>This shit happens
My friend who read the books was so pissed off at this in the theaters made me laugh
Eowyn laughs in the book and proclaims that she is a woman, so your friend is a moron
Women do.
>Hmm I have to name some bad people but I'm out of ideas
>Nazi Ghouls. Hmm too obvious let's contract these two together.
>Nazgul. Perfect.
>be the witch-king
>tell the race of men that they cannot kill me
>lmaoooo omg they actually believe it what a bunch of fkn n00bs
>I am no man
>Yea I know, you are not even a main character, this is bullshit
Cringiest line in the trilogy 100%. Would have been hated if it came out today. I also wanted to say series but I forgot that The Hobbit and Rings of Power exist
HOW TO BEAT: Witch-king Angmar
>Be man
>Nazgul says no man can kill me
>Say let me see
>Angmar lets you stab him
>Identify as woman
>He dies
>Identify as man again