Do you ever get in arguments about tv in real life?
How do you keep your cool while somebody's yelling at you?
If somebody can scream louder than you as you lose composure and demure to them, does it make their opinion more valid?
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I don't get into arguments because I'm neither searching for truth nor seeking validation. When I have an opinion it's usually correct, and if proven otherwise I'm more than happy to listen. I avoid antagonizing people by keeping controversial views private. Assuming you're polite and don't say stupid stuff, the only people that will yell at you are compensating losers and women. So, by the time it comes to yelling and screaming, I'm already in a position to disregard what they say.
Why don't you care about the truth? Surely even if it is pointless to try and convince people of the truth you would still want to know the actual truth about things you care about, for yourself.
that's not what I said. I'm not "searching" for truth when I talk to other people because I don't expect them to have it. I'm not asking a serious question most of the time. If you need to discuss the politics of the handmaid's tale with your LTR, maybe try coming to a conclusion yourself first, as it's a sensitive topic that's related to your /misc/ exposure.
>I avoid antagonizing people by keeping controversial views private
Lmao. Pussy b***h little girl
You do it too, I'm just man enough to admit it. KWAB
>I don't watch tv
it's that easy
Handmaids Tale is The Turner Diaries for women
1) don't be wrong
2) don't loose your cool
3) let the other person finish talking
4) "Let me explain why you're wrong"
It helps if you aren't a republican peasant. You people don't know shit about movies.
Dilate.
> Let me explain why your wrong.
And this is why trannies get axe wounds. You spend all your time trying to disprove your opponents you never stop to think about what you yourself is doing.
You don't need to disprove others. You only need to prove yourself. There can be two different right answers to the same question, you need to explain why yours is better.
the FBI made that image
you can't prove a negative, but you can spew enough shit that
oh frick i just suddenly started believing in god
The problem is, the handmaids tale is political shlock. It's an extremely offensive portrayal of fake male tyranny, but saying so goes against liberal beliefs. That makes it harder to create context for your opinion, which then seems to come from nowhere. If you don't have the "netflix is trash" and "I don't like blatant misandry or anti-white racism" conversations separately, there's no foundation to build on.
So you think its bad because of YOUR politics.
>anti-white racism
Fricking lol. You people and your victim complex.
Discursive racism and sexism are extremely damaging, this isn't up for discussion. Bye.
But I'll bet you can't say "black lives matter" without your head exploding.
If I don't say it, what does it matter? You don't have a victim complex do you?
Told ya.
Not the point of my post, I've said it plenty of times. That's why I can be intolerant of woke racism without being a hypocrite.
Go ahead and say it then.
black lives matter. Now let's hear you say all lives . . . no, let's hear you say white lives matter. Shouldn't be a problem, in fact I'm not sure what you're getting at.
They do. White lives matter. Republicans aren't white though.
See, if you get racist with me I put a stop to it. Doesn't take more than a little logical consistency. Of course, it's not like I lord it over my gf all the time, but she understands why I wouldn't like certain content.
don't even engage with these dudes. they're literally brain crippled from propaganda. they're incapable of believing in anything.
nta but bottom line is people who engage in violent criminal activity are more likely to encounter law enforcement and suffer consequences for their actions, if you feel a reflexive need to absolve this behaviour based on someone’s race maybe you should question who exactly the racist is
I don't know why but you seem sensible enough to try this new argument I worked up with.
Question: Do you agree black crime is a problem and how should it be fixed?
>Do you agree black crime is a problem
In the sense that it is being exacerbated by political manipulation, sure
>how should it be fixed
I don’t have a singular solution but I can tell you that perhaps feeding children a steady diet of political propaganda mixed with media that unambiguously glorifies criminal activity is not part of a solution to lowering black crime rates
nta but it isn't a problem because problems can be named and solved. The black crime problem is like the women driver problem, no solution can be contemplated without disgrace. You can only take measures to keep yourself safe.
>Do you agree black crime is a problem
I certainly don't think the black murder rate represents the best of black people.
>how should it be fixed?
blacks are ridiculously materialistic. They need a higher purpose.
>blacks are ridiculously materialistic. They need a higher purpose.
So you don't have a solution?
A higher purpose is my solution. I'm not talking about christianity, that's more like background radiation at this point. I'm talking about a black epic. Something that connects the black man to past and future, giving them a tiny sliver of the peace that whites feel.
Whites got their epics from spending thousands of years pursuing the advancement of civilization. I don't know how to get blacks started on that when even in their own countries that they can do anything they want in, they do nothing
I'm not waiting for them to do it themselves. If they wanted the same things whites do, we wouldn't be having this conversations.
“sensible” anon here just wanted to also add that until we are able to openly discuss the issue without misguided knee jerk reactions dominating the conversation, there can be no progress towards a solution
Eh, this isnt working as well as I hoped.
If you don't want black people committing as much crime you have to make them richer and give them positive roll models to grow up with.
Putting black people in movies and creating programs to promote upward economic mobility decreases black crime.
Republicans love "personal responsability" They think black people should just stop being poor lol. But that's not a pragmatic solution.
If you think black crime is a problem then you should support solutions for it, not just complain about it on a series of tubes.
how do we "give" them more positive role models?
He’s obviously saying we need to discipline these Black folk
I think he's saying we should decriminalize weed, release felons earlier, and maybe start sum handouts for men who raise their kids.
Why is it other peoples' responsibility to pacify them with offerings rather than their responsibility to show others they can carry their weight?
It's not, and while that anon has a good point, it reeks of white savior complex. You don't need to "give blacks a role model" or "make them richer". You give them space and opportunities, then don't stomp them when they appear. You can say that exact same thing about the poor. You don't need to give them a mansion l, dust your hands and say "done!". You allow them space for education, and when John opens his mom and pop store to try and build some semblance of generational wealth, you don't rape him with taxes, interest, bank rates, red tape, etc etc etc, which is exactly what happens nowadays.
This also isn't something that can be changed in 1 or 2 or even 5 generations. It's a slow process that takes several decades for anyone to see any meaningful change.
because there's no weight to carry anymore. the economy is holographic and kept running by creative accounting and debt.
>just give them free stuff, maybe they won't kill us!
>and if they do kill us, give them more free stuff and tell them how bad we are and how good they are! Then I'm sure they'll stop!
This isn't a healthy relationship to build a society on.
MO' MONEY FO' DEM P'OG'AMS
>this isnt working as well as I hoped
translation: since you don’t fit the strawman I’ve created for you I’ll just go ahead and continue talking as if you did
Almost every other social group in the US has comparable socio-economic conditions and typically have some value system that allows for social mobility and self improvement.
Every generation that goes by, the "slavery" excuse becomes weaker and weaker.
At some point you have to just come to the conclusion that some people are incompatible with the rigors of modern society, which is in itself a miracle because it means you're dealing with people who lack the fundamental evolutionary aspect of humanity - that being adaptability. The only other comparable group is european gypsies/travelers who are now molded to a parasitic lifestyle where their entire existence is reliant on their hosts not getting angry enough to turn around and exterminate them.
Living in the US is just essentially a big game where the middle class, and those aspiring to be, are in a constant struggle to escape the blackholes of societal decay that are getting larger and larger every year. Asking them to throw their money, resources, and social and political owenership into a vortex is asking them to waste the resources they themselves need to escape. Latinos and Asians work hard to become meaningful members of society and their reward is to have an inferior social group drag them down, like crabs in a barrel.
If you think black people can't be fine upstanding citizens if they are born into good circumstances then I don't know what to do for you. Hopefully you'll get to know some someday instead of just buying what /misc/ is selling.
They can be, but what % of them? And the definition of "bad circumstances" is subjective. They might complain about not being able to afford $600 shoes, but when the government pays for their food, healthcare, housing, and education, are they really in such bad conditions? The people that made the country started with nothing. Do blacks today have it worse than the settlers on the frontier?
Yes.
Because settlers on the frontier were there exactly because they wanted to get out from under an overbearing system.
Black folk otoh have nowhere to run to.
We gave them many cities and even a whole country of their own in West Africa. They frick it up every time.
Just as many as white people.
Get the /misc/ out of your head. Black people who grow up middle class with both parents are never gang-bangers. Most of them are giant anime fans.
You can cut it however you like. The better off a black kid is growing up, the less likely he is to become a /misc/ meme. If you give black parents money, and better sex ed, and promote black fatherhood in popular media then the black crime rate would go down.
How many grow up middle class and why? They're the few that can handle a decent job, affirmative action or not. It doesn't represent the vast majority.
It's like pointing at Oprah and going "see, they'd all be rich if we let them"
Look pal, I live and work with them in the real world. You just know what /misc/ has told you over and over again. Why don't we take MY word for what the vast majority is.
I do too, everyone does. Not only is my experience different, the stats bare out what I'm saying. The averages between groups are cleanly distinguished in virtually every parameter. /misc/ has nothing to do with it, it's just the reality of the world we live in
Bologna, you live in a flyover state a couple miles from the freeway. I live in New Orleans.
And if you find statistics that tell you that criminality isn't related to income then you are looking at a wack-a-doodle website.
If you live in New Orleans, the rape capital of the US (caused by lack of money?) you know first-hand how dysfunctional and corrupt it is, nevermind the stats proving my point. Do you remember during Katrina when black people were shooting at relief workers and robbing ambulances? Money has nothing to do with it, those people are poor BECAUSE they're psychos. They aren't going to be successful no matter what you do for them
Yup, loads of black people who grew up poor and are still poor and have poor kids.
There's also loads of black people who had good upbringings and they make this city great.
The frick are you on about.
I agree with you but you don't see that some people can just be dumber and crazier than others, and dumb and crazy people are unlikely to become successful, weakthy professionals. It's not their upbringing, it's them. When the government pays for their food and shelter, and they decide to use their free time to rape women and murder people over "disrespect," lack of money didn't cause that, that attitude causes a lack of money.
A smart black guy will rise up even if he starts out poor, as I've seen happen (even moreso with asians), but they aren't all geniuses. The percent capable of success may just be lower than other groups fundamentally. You have to work with that.
I interact with several different classes of black folk as well, and the upper-middle class ones are more or less white people. Anything below that, and there's a distinct sense of opposing the white american world order. . . and who can blame them? If all blacks could be brought up to upper-middle class income, there would be change, but as things stand there's a cultural as well as an economic barrier to prosperity.
>If all blacks could be brought up to upper-middle class income, there would be change
*Bam* So the solution is policies that help that happen. Maybe it doesn't happen all at once, maybe it doesn't work for 100% of black people but it would work better than nothing.
It would be much cheaper to let them murder one another indiscriminately. Moreover, it's not fair to people who don't hate living in this country.
Oh yeah? Cus doing nothing (your recommendation) hasn't worked in the last 100 years.
A rising tide lifts all ships if we make 10% of our population richer than it will make our entire economy stronger. Not to mention all those areas will pull more property taxes because the houses will be worth more.
And don't give me that bullshit about ""people who don't hate living in this country". Republicans hate America more than fricking ISIS.
You have no idea what you're talking about. paying millions per black person might successfully convince them to like this country, but it's not something that will or could ever happen. Black people need a higher purpose, they hate themselves as well as America. They're basically the troony race, small wonder they have the highest rate of LGBT.
Gee, I guess it is hopeless. Those damn trannies.
affecting superiority again? You're such a midwit. Why would giving people a purpose be hopeless?
People give themselves purpose. If they feel like they can succeed and follow their dreams and shit they will have purpose for days.
Such a weak-ass bad faith argument.
>Huuurr promoting upward economic mobility should wait until black people stop having the existential crisis I say they have.
America is one of the most prosperous countries on earth. Wages are some of the highest. Yet, there's poverty and people of all races living check to check. That isn't a problem for anyone except black people, who developed a particular ennui and resistance to the american way. Althought we understand why that happened, no other race is going to pay your lower and middle classes to stop being hateful. It's just not appropriate, nor is it guaranteed to work. Thinking you can command it is some real barbarian horde nonsense, the kind that could gather itself up and go right back across the sea.
>Cus doing nothing (your recommendation) hasn't worked in the last 100 years.
It did for every other group that ever came to the US
The problem is so far in order to move towards that, we've had to lower standards to and force companies to accept them at those lower standards. I don't want a doctor who had a 1.9 GPA and was hired because they were obligated to increase representation.
Tbh america is a deeply classist society, they just will scream and shout and even claim it’s about race to avoid noticing something so antithetical to the meme of freedom.
And yes a lot of black people are born into the lower class.
Billionaires really have done a number on you with that “Black person scare” thing eh?
every other group that has been in similar socioeconomic conditions had common culture, heritage, traditions, etc. reasons and motivations to unify and work together.
Black person culture is hardcore individualist consumerism, tempered by a long history of being exploited, by either whitey or other Black folk. the more bullshit that is shoveled at them, the less inclined they are to join a society where people act like being exploited is a good thing. where eating shit is growing up. where a million people work their entire lives for nothing but the promise of more work, then when have nothing left to give, retire and die. the only solace being not having to watch your kids fight over who gets to sell your shit.
Well, yes, but there’s also the fact that they aren’t smarter than a rhino, hippo, or elephant.
>Putting black people in movies…decreases black crime
name one (1) movie
The day the clown cried.
Blade.
THIS is the type of protagonist we need.
>mixed heritage proud black man
>doesn't need much, only his tools
>kills israelites all night and sleeps all day
>men trust him, black women obey him
This isn't rocket science. A proper sequel where Blade appears as a 40 year old dad with kids, then another when he's old would do wonders. Sitcoms and 80s movies did a lot of work building up black humanity, it's time to pick up where they left off. The violence of the blade franchise is beside the point, it's about having someone to emulate. Maybe blackbro is right and we can literally give them role models through TV.
>But that's not a pragmatic solution.
literally all you have to do in America to succeed is not be a fat frick and don't do drugs. If you frick up that bad you weren't going to make it anywhere else.
Generational wealth is real.
Perfect solution fallacy. I picked up a homeless white guy the other day and gave him a ride. He said he tried to join the marines but he failed the ASVAB. Turns out the dude is fricking illiterate. Shit turns out that way sometimes, That dude will never have his life together. But if he had a better childhood maybe he could have joined the marines like he wanted and had a 5/10 life. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
>Generational wealth is real.
irrelevant. literally all you have to do to succeed is not be fat and dont do drugs.
Don't call my post a fallacy and then respond with an anecdote. Again, people are not equally capable. You wouldn't have become Elon Musk if you just "had the right upbringing."
A wordly person like you should know that people are different. They aren't all good at the same things.
You're not getting it.
Poor families=50% frick-ups
Rich families=10% frick ups.
Just because 10% will still be frick ups doesn't mean you should just do nothing.
We've been instituting programs to give black people all their basic needs and to make them a priority in college and job acceptance. We do more for them than anyone else but there's not a great return on the investment.
Or maybe black people can just stop breaking the law.
Star holding your breath.
Can't say that lives of criminals matter. If people of criminal want to stop getting shot at by the police, maybe they should being the primary cause of police homicide.
I'll bet you piss in a toilet that has water in it
>he doesn’t drink his piss water to confuse his debate opponents
>You people and your victim complex.
Irony. Oof, my dude.
>you people
What the frick you mean “you people”!?
>Fricking lol. You people and your victim complex.
Seriously?
You never noticed how republicans constantly feel under attack? War on Christmas and all that sort of shit? Every movie is trying to genocide you. What the frick do you call that?
Noticing
>Black people getting shot by cops a lot is less real than the war on Christmas
You are literally an NPC.
It is. The reason people make a big fuss out of individual cases (and hide as much information about them as they can) is because statistically it's more rare than a plane crash. It's like taking a story about a man struck by lightning and raising a hysteria over the epidemic of lightning related deaths.
Every time a black person gets shot by police in the states in the last several years, the public perception of it just does not match up with the facts. You think there are roving gangs of marauding police, chasing after innocent black men, willing to gun them down in full view of the public, knowing full well the type of shitstorm they’re going to face after the fact? or maybe it’s possible these individuals are engaged in criminal activity, bolstered by people like you who excuse their every action as a regrettable but blameless consequence of the system, which is more likely?
Christianity and Christmas in public are things that give us a lot of joy. I'ma need you to stop policing white exuberance.
Handmaidens Tale is many things but he’s right it’s also high falutin cuckquean erotica
So it’s irresponsible because it’s a setting where males are tyrants, huh? I imagine you haven’t seen it either because the majority of men in the setting were against the government and had to be killed and exiled for them to take power
So you’re openly saying you have to get someone to agree with your politics in order to get them to think handmaidens tale is bad
if you want to explain your views, it would help for them to treat your politics as equal to their own.
>I haven't seen it but I disliked the trailer
You've automatically won. And by won, you've ended the conversation before it becomes heated.
all you gotta do is say "big baby gonna cry?" and start making baby sounds and cry sounds and you basically win every time
i always just dress up like a girl and try to kiss them. i hate doing it but it works
I like the 1991 movie
Atwood is a shitty JCO
Sociopath here. The secret is to always think you're better and smarter than everyone else. If people lose their cool you win. You made them be the first to abandon their composure and respond with an emotional outburst. Always think awful things about everyone so that you're constantly working on snarky material you can just calmly whip out like "here's one I prepared earlier." Also never have an opinion on something unless you have a convincing followup. You will get caught off guard when people ask you to elaborate or justify it.
>Do you ever get in arguments about tv in real life?
Not really, no.I don't care enough to argue with people. I just state my opinion and what it's based on. It's really not important enough to get mad about.
>How do you keep your cool while somebody's yelling at you?
Stare at them until they're done. I know they're not going to physically attack me so none of the noise they make matters.
>If somebody can scream louder than you as you lose composure and demure to them, does it make their opinion more valid?
No.
I was concerned that the “raycist” argument from twatter had bled through to real life but everyone I’ve mentioned Rings of Power to IRL agrees it’s going to be a shitshow.
it's easy to dismiss handmaid's tale as feminist trash
it's harder to explain why you refuse to watch capeshit without sounding elitist and contrarian, even though it is objectively shovelware shit for brainlets
>it is objectively shovelware shit for brainlets
you sound like a moron when you communicate only in memes.
its easy to say you lost interest in marvel because at some point the movies stopped being about larger than life characters and, instead, mouthpieces for modern politics with superpowers.
>you sound like a moron when you communicate only in memes.
obviously i wouldn't talk like that in real life
>its easy to say you lost interest in marvel because
except i never had any interest in it
seen maybe 10 capeshit movies in my life and most were the older ones like the keaton or clooney era batmans when it still had some sense of novelty
and i didn't think they were good then either
>he doesn't like larger than life characters
so is the autism to blame?
Yeah yeah, and you never watched an action flick because they don’t have any brainpower required either.
no, i like action movies
capeshit has effectively taken over the action movie space, except it's a "family friendly" bastardization of the action genre with more juvenile themes and less emotional gravitas, because all the characters are quip spewing demi-gods and the stakes are and scenarios so fantastical as to not warrant any real grittiness
>yipikiyay, motherfrickers
>I’ll b back
>etc
The joke density may be higher but the fundamental “no actual human could do this” is the same.
That said it looks like the producers are strangling the golden goose because they don’t understand why it worked.
>uses die hard as an example
that scenario is grounded in reality
people can actually conceptualize a nightmare scenario where they are stuck in a hostage situation and have to fight to survive, even if they're not a cop like willis
the events go beyond what would normally happen but the setting itself is relatable
people can not relate to being bitten by a spider and flinging themselves around city skylines
it's the imaginative fantasy of a 10 year old boy
>I can play with guns all day, save all the hostages, kill 50 bad guys, and live to tell the tale
At least capeshitters are honest about it being a pipe dream.
>the events go beyond what would normally happen but the setting itself is relatable
>why was Iron Man the most popular character again
iron man 1 is one of the few capeshit i have seen, because a billionaire making a high tech suit at least has same basis in reality
batman as well since he's just a guy with gadgets
are you kidding? Handmaid's tale and feminism in general actually have some basis. No serious person watches capeshit.
though we never talk about how that basis is the iranian revolution, where an egalitarian monarch who wanted the country to be like the US, and was working towards that goal, was overthrown and replaced with an islamic theocracy.
I dont see why you would need to get into an argument about entertainment. Its like arguing about which is the best colour or which is better out of icecream or pizza. Just say you didnt like the movie and give your honest reason why and leave it at that. However, if you go around being inflamatory, calling things you don't like 'garbage', expect to come agasint resistance and you better have concrete evidence to back up your assertion.
I start saying a sentence and it's a completely valid, self-contained argument.
Then I don't get immediate feedback so I just start rambling Grampa Simpson style, ruins any point I might have had.
I only go loud if they do. If they won't acknowledge something I say I'll just repeat it louder and louder until they do.
A lot of people can't separate "big boy" topics from acceptable pop culture discussion. If you want to be on here with all the hard truths, naughty words and contrary opinions, exercise a little self control in your own life. The woman should do that as well, but you can't criticize her without having restraint yourself.
Yeah I was watching Scream 2 with my friend. We got to the part where Randy says "Sequels by definition alone was inferior films" which made me pause the movie and think if this was true. For a solid 3 minutes I thought about it until I said "Actually, Toy Story 3 exists" before unpausing the movie. Then they paused the movie out of anger which caused a shouting match. That went on for about 10 minutes until we both agreed Star Wars Episode 3 breaks the rule.
*alone are inferior films
evaluate if the person is worth your time.
if no, just leave while they are mid-sentence (pretend you're picking up a call if you want to be respectful, just leave if you don't).
if yes, reply.
>smile
>chuckle
>ignore
simple as.
>Shlock
Decriminalize drugs, expand mental health, increase the minimum wage, rent control, maternal leave, keep abortions(it’s eugenics, think about it). Those are the big ones off the top of my head
>Do you ever get in arguments about tv in real life?
yeah but I never let it get far. If it's abundantly clear the conversation comes to a fundamental difference in taste (which it almost always is) I just say "whatever bro" and leave it at that.
>How do you keep your cool while somebody's yelling at you?
I just don't stoop to their level. See above for the correct response.
>If somebody can scream louder than you as you lose composure and demure to them, does it make their opinion more valid?
anyone whose screaming at you is not worth arguing with. tell them to frick off.
Ghostbusters was good (I don't personally enjoy any of them) because it was a high-concept film with an original and captivating premise.
Female Ghostbusters is good because it copies Ghostbusters.
George Orwell is great because he used fiction to show us a creatively inspired future where nationalistic forces are accelerated to a dystopian end of history.
Margaret Atwood is great because she copied George Orwell.
Laugh at them when they start yelling and call them big babies with poopy diapers
No one has ever yelled at me about anything regarding television or film, i dont know anyone that passionate.
Same here. Most people look bewildered at me when I start going full film geek on them.
>thread you make gets replies
>it's two boring bastards giving each other handy Js
Another finger on the monkey's paw curls