I appreciate the different take on this character. I still love the angelic blue fairy of the original Disney version, but I wonder why so many Pinocchio movies were released this year.
I like the theory that Disney specifically shit out their's to try and steal Del Toro's shine.
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Because Del Toro likes his fae to be fricking weird
Disney are notorious for doing this kind of shit, why are you surprised
Its coincidence I imagine. Usually stuff like this goes into development at entirely different times and then sometimes release near each other for any number of reasons.
Its coincidence I imagine. Usually stuff like this goes into development at entirely different times and then sometimes release near each other for any number of reasons.
I don't think it's coincidence in the same idea that Bigfoot/Yeti movies came out at the same time. And a bunch of dragon stuff before that, even if dragons are already popular.
if you where an astute petersonian like moi ( french for me ) you would recompense the coming event of the swallowing of the whale ( wail(ing) ) which is precursed by these movies aligning
Casting a black persona as the blue fairy wasn't a problem. But could they at least get the costume and makeup department to make them look like a fairie? Give her some tatoos, some inhuman or angelic characteristics. Something.
I mean they kind of did by making her extremely ethereal to the point where it looked like she was made of blue sparks instead of being more physical as well as the multiple wings.
I'm shocked at the amount of the story people accept as original solely comes from the Disney version.
The fairy with turquoise hair was more akin to a love interest that encourages Pinnochio to be a responsible person by suddenly having a growth spurt and giving him the knowledge that although puppets are unchangeable he can become a real boy and grow up too
I rather dislike how the disney version displaced the original take, because the original is much more interesting.
Fun to see more stuff use a less Disney-esque Blue Fairy lately.
Pinochio is basically a being of pure id, that lears the hard way what happens when you aren't smart, or honest. the only reason why he survives is because he is a puppet which begs the question of why becoming real is the objective if being a puppet is much better.
I seem to remember this was the end message of Kikaider.
the hero rebot finally gains "True" human mentality and emotion, but the narration asks if Pinnochio, having finally become human, was actually happy.
He was still perishable as a puppet getting hung was an actual death sentencefor him, but he got healed by magic. Later the fairy witht the turquoise hair tells him he will die as a puppet but wouldn't change like a real boy does into an adult or elder, like how the fairy did as well.
This. I almost get the feel the design was for shock value, as they knew how jarring her being bald would be with what people would be expecting the blue fairy to look like.
>Casting a black persona as the blue fairy wasn't a problem.
And Im sure casting a white person as a well known black character from black folklore woulnt be a problem either
"Long ago in a distant western land there was a prince. He was beloved by many in his kingdom, but soon drew the ire of a band of brigands. They nearly killed the prince, and the Queen, fearing for her son's safety, sent him away to stay in her brother's kingdom."
"Though the prince begged his mother to allow him to stay, she would not relent. Allowing him only enough time to pack a small trunk of his belongings and the harp he played, she laid a kiss upon the prince's brow and bid him farewell."
"The prince flew upon the back of a large bird to the distant land of his relatives, and upon arriving found his new home quite discerning. Those who lived in this kingdom acted quite differently than the prince, and he soon found himself to be an outcast."
"However as luck would have it a carriage driver appeared suddenly for the prince as he played a tune upon his harp, the driver beckoning the prince to board so that he may take him to his new home."
"The prince thought the carriage driver strange but boarded anyways, soon arriving at the large castle of his Uncle. The carriage driver drove off, leaving the prince to look upon the new kingdom he had arrived in, and prepare to meet his distant uncle."
So, this anthro spider man went to the God of the skies and asked him for a sheep to eat, telling him "Yo, I'll kidnap a women for you to forcibly marry and possibly rape for a sheep". The God of the sky was totally cool with this and gave him a sheep to.
But the Spider was really lazy and went back to his village and just married all the women himself and started fricking them all every night instead.
A hunter working for the God of the skies came by and said "WTF?" and went back to the God of the skies. So the God of the skies sent the hunter back and he abducted all of the Anasi's wive's except one who was sick with a shit ton of STDs.
So then Anasi's wife told him to bathe her and it would wash away all her STDs, so Anasi did it, but saved her magical STD bath water that contained super AIDs and a bunch of other shit.
Because he'd washed all the disesase out of her, she became really hot, and he was happy having her to frick instead.
But then the hunter came back, saw that Anasi's sick wife was actually hot, and went back and took the wife too.
This pissed off Anasi, so he made a drum that he hid the magical AIDs bath water inside of, and began beat boxing with the drum on a corner while dancing and rapping super awesome. He rapped SO WELL that the God of the sky ordered he be brought before him and do a performance for him.
But when Anasi was brought to the God of the sky, he said he'd have to have all of his old wives act as backup dancers to do a music video for the Sky god. His last wife knew something was up and didn't want to dance, but the God of the sky ordered him anyways.
But then, in the middle of the performance, Anasi pulled the bottle of super AIDS bath water out and threw it on all the wives, including his last super hot one who didn't really deserve any of this shit, and gave them literally every single disease known to man before running away laughing at the prank he'd played.
So a single woman had all the deceases and the spider just spread them evenly in the other women? that sounds like a metaphor for Communism made by an american.
fairies have no race anon. The fair folk are a number of different supernatural beings and can look like whatever the frick they want, from goblinoid looking murder leprechauns to enchanting beautiful step fairies.
I frickin' hated the look, maybe give her flaming cgi hair and glowing eyes and some sparkles for her arms that can be told apart from her dress and she would of been perfect but holy shit the 'human' bits just set me off.' the REAL original i honestly gave a pass because.. well its the original, whats there to improve on due to when it was made?
I felt like Pinocchio was just kind of a feel-bad story with little to no triumph or likeable characters. It's not particularly adventurous either all things considered.
I've always been kind of surprised at how big Pinocchio got. So I am assuming most people like the story, but I don't personally know anyone who does.
It's not really a classic fairy tale.
I lump Carlo Collodi in with Hans Christian Anderson in the "19th century children's literature" category, when the only requirement from writing children's stories was a firm hatred of children.
Notably Collodi and Anderson never married or had children themselves. Anderson was probably a gay
Andersen is a mixed bag, where I think a number of his stories are fairly original, but others are also clearly drawing from older folkloric elements, if not totally pre existing stories with a little extra window dressing. Like the concept of Thumbelina, for example, definitely predates him. And the Little Mermaid, even, is a fairly basic fairy creature/human romance when subjected to scrutiny.
Collodi’s Pinocchio though, seems a little more unique, and a little less like a fairy tale and more like a satirical morality play. Lots more dark humor and general weirdness. I’d actually compare it more to Baum’s Oz stories or to Carrol’s Alice in Wonderland, where a lot of that shit you don’t know where the frick the author is coming up with it.
Lewis Carrol famously/notoriously interacted with children a lot and L. Frank Baum I didn't know either, just looked it up had kids and grandkids of his own. Wonderland and Oz feel a lot more like nonsense stories for children made up on the fly without a real "lesson".
Collodi was definitely more into the morality tale thing. "Don't waste your youth and get an education or else you will be condemned to manual labor " is about as blunt as you can get. He was a big Italian Nationalist too, before there was a nation called Italy
They're clearly aiming to make this a more grounded since Honest John is just a dude in this.
Though if the synopsis is to be believed then I think this is really not showing most the movie since Pinnocchio is supposed to have a whole angle where the army tries to figure out how to make more of him.
I will be honest anon, i dont give a frick if it isn't "faithful" to the fairy tale or shit like that, i just want a good story with decent looking art. I dont really feel like obsessing over some minor details like some mongoloid "UGH ACKTUALLY SNOWWHITE IS SUPPOSED TO TORTURE AND EAT HER STEP MOTHA, DAT HOW IT BE IN THE ORIGINAL"
I knew Del Toro could be counted on to do some kind of actual creepy Fey instead of some chick with butterfly wings, but the chimera sphynx creature is still a little bit of a surprise. Still good, tho.
I get the impression that they might be trying to avoid having as much talking animals or magic after the Blue Fairy brings Pinocchio to life in this one. Even Jiminy’s sapience I think might be an accident brought about by making Pinocchio alive, going by that clip where Jiminy looks like he gets a shock while sitting on Pinocchio’s nose, and everything is glowing blue.
Disney's new Pinocchio failed miserably because it took out all the lessons he was supposed to have learnt and missed the point of the original completely. He knew right and wrong from the start so Jiminny was redundant. He did go to school only to get kicked for no reason and literally went with Honest John because that was the only other path. He was abducted instead of willingly going to pleasure land where he was reluctant to do any if the things the others were doing (which in this version weren't really all that bad to begin with).
If Del toro can avoid all that then I'm all for it. Though I do see in the trailer there does seem to be a bit where they're using Pinocchio's long nose for seemingly a way to get out of something so that's somewhat head tilting.
She's not really a sphinx, she's made up of different animals and has multiple eyes like an angel, like a crazy cross between a chimera and a cherubim. I think it's just like another anon said, Del Toro likes fae to look wild so it could just be that, but more could be revealed in the movie that could tell us about what she is
I appreciate the different take on this character. I still love the angelic blue fairy of the original Disney version, but I wonder why so many Pinocchio movies were released this year.
I like the theory that Disney specifically shit out their's to try and steal Del Toro's shine.
Because Del Toro likes his fae to be fricking weird
>Because Del Toro likes his fae to be fricking weird
Imagine what he would do with the Maleficent concept
Disney are notorious for doing this kind of shit, why are you surprised
There is also that other pinocchio film where he talks like an effeminate old man.
Made to cash-in on both of them.
Because the industry is creatively bankrupt
Its coincidence I imagine. Usually stuff like this goes into development at entirely different times and then sometimes release near each other for any number of reasons.
same reason a ton of Jungle Books movies came out at the same time
I don't think it's coincidence in the same idea that Bigfoot/Yeti movies came out at the same time. And a bunch of dragon stuff before that, even if dragons are already popular.
let's not forget pinocchio dark souls
if you where an astute petersonian like moi ( french for me ) you would recompense the coming event of the swallowing of the whale ( wail(ing) ) which is precursed by these movies aligning
> I wonder why so many Pinocchio movies were released this year.
The best Pinocchio movie continues to be Tree of Palme.
Why is it a sphinx?
I'd frick her cat pussy.
Wait it’s out now?
Select theaters in November, out on Netflix Dec 9th
it's like they caught on that I try to flirt with my sleep paralysis demons. Not my fault they always seem to be female coded.
Uhh hello based department? Yeah we got your guy here.
Where and when the frick is this being release din theaters? Unbelievable what a closely guarded secret this is.
It’s only a limited run at theaters, it’s being released on Netflix in December 9th
>It’s only a limited run at theaters
And it's impossible to find out when and where
its 100% better than the horrific design from the live action one.
For the love of GOD, why the frick is she bald? that's not an endearing hair style. whatever hairstyle she wants, but not fricking bald
Because it is all about destroying the concept of beauty.
never ascribe to malice that which is more easily explained by incompetence
See
They went out of their way to make her unattractive and then dismissed all criticism as "racist". It is intentional, because "controversy is good".
Casting a black persona as the blue fairy wasn't a problem. But could they at least get the costume and makeup department to make them look like a fairie? Give her some tatoos, some inhuman or angelic characteristics. Something.
I mean they kind of did by making her extremely ethereal to the point where it looked like she was made of blue sparks instead of being more physical as well as the multiple wings.
I'm shocked at the amount of the story people accept as original solely comes from the Disney version.
The fairy with turquoise hair was more akin to a love interest that encourages Pinnochio to be a responsible person by suddenly having a growth spurt and giving him the knowledge that although puppets are unchangeable he can become a real boy and grow up too
I rather dislike how the disney version displaced the original take, because the original is much more interesting.
Fun to see more stuff use a less Disney-esque Blue Fairy lately.
Pinochio is basically a being of pure id, that lears the hard way what happens when you aren't smart, or honest. the only reason why he survives is because he is a puppet which begs the question of why becoming real is the objective if being a puppet is much better.
I seem to remember this was the end message of Kikaider.
the hero rebot finally gains "True" human mentality and emotion, but the narration asks if Pinnochio, having finally become human, was actually happy.
He was still perishable as a puppet getting hung was an actual death sentencefor him, but he got healed by magic. Later the fairy witht the turquoise hair tells him he will die as a puppet but wouldn't change like a real boy does into an adult or elder, like how the fairy did as well.
Ooh any lewds of her? She's cute!
I hate you
The problem was choosing a bald ugly woman over hundreds of attractive black women out there.
This. I almost get the feel the design was for shock value, as they knew how jarring her being bald would be with what people would be expecting the blue fairy to look like.
>Give her some tatoos, some inhuman or angelic characteristics. Something.
Funny how you say tattoos, but my mind immediately went to a fricking wig.
>Casting a black persona as the blue fairy wasn't a problem.
And Im sure casting a white person as a well known black character from black folklore woulnt be a problem either
I actually dont know any black folklore. Tell one
Well. There's that one Prince that went on a quest to Marry the Sun. They had kids.
You are a fricking shit storyteller, anon. I hope you don't have kids
What a chad.
"Long ago in a distant western land there was a prince. He was beloved by many in his kingdom, but soon drew the ire of a band of brigands. They nearly killed the prince, and the Queen, fearing for her son's safety, sent him away to stay in her brother's kingdom."
"Though the prince begged his mother to allow him to stay, she would not relent. Allowing him only enough time to pack a small trunk of his belongings and the harp he played, she laid a kiss upon the prince's brow and bid him farewell."
"The prince flew upon the back of a large bird to the distant land of his relatives, and upon arriving found his new home quite discerning. Those who lived in this kingdom acted quite differently than the prince, and he soon found himself to be an outcast."
"However as luck would have it a carriage driver appeared suddenly for the prince as he played a tune upon his harp, the driver beckoning the prince to board so that he may take him to his new home."
"The prince thought the carriage driver strange but boarded anyways, soon arriving at the large castle of his Uncle. The carriage driver drove off, leaving the prince to look upon the new kingdom he had arrived in, and prepare to meet his distant uncle."
You had me hook line and sinker.
So, this anthro spider man went to the God of the skies and asked him for a sheep to eat, telling him "Yo, I'll kidnap a women for you to forcibly marry and possibly rape for a sheep". The God of the sky was totally cool with this and gave him a sheep to.
But the Spider was really lazy and went back to his village and just married all the women himself and started fricking them all every night instead.
A hunter working for the God of the skies came by and said "WTF?" and went back to the God of the skies. So the God of the skies sent the hunter back and he abducted all of the Anasi's wive's except one who was sick with a shit ton of STDs.
So then Anasi's wife told him to bathe her and it would wash away all her STDs, so Anasi did it, but saved her magical STD bath water that contained super AIDs and a bunch of other shit.
Because he'd washed all the disesase out of her, she became really hot, and he was happy having her to frick instead.
But then the hunter came back, saw that Anasi's sick wife was actually hot, and went back and took the wife too.
This pissed off Anasi, so he made a drum that he hid the magical AIDs bath water inside of, and began beat boxing with the drum on a corner while dancing and rapping super awesome. He rapped SO WELL that the God of the sky ordered he be brought before him and do a performance for him.
But when Anasi was brought to the God of the sky, he said he'd have to have all of his old wives act as backup dancers to do a music video for the Sky god. His last wife knew something was up and didn't want to dance, but the God of the sky ordered him anyways.
But then, in the middle of the performance, Anasi pulled the bottle of super AIDS bath water out and threw it on all the wives, including his last super hot one who didn't really deserve any of this shit, and gave them literally every single disease known to man before running away laughing at the prank he'd played.
And that, my friends, is how diseases came to be.
So a single woman had all the deceases and the spider just spread them evenly in the other women? that sounds like a metaphor for Communism made by an american.
>he doesn't know my boy Anansi
Madman put gumbo in his hat
>Italians
>White
fairies have no race anon. The fair folk are a number of different supernatural beings and can look like whatever the frick they want, from goblinoid looking murder leprechauns to enchanting beautiful step fairies.
Thats just glamor, they have actual physical forms.
I frickin' hated the look, maybe give her flaming cgi hair and glowing eyes and some sparkles for her arms that can be told apart from her dress and she would of been perfect but holy shit the 'human' bits just set me off.' the REAL original i honestly gave a pass because.. well its the original, whats there to improve on due to when it was made?
Ffs, you know you fricked up when Netflix makes a better looking black fairy than you
the frick were they thinking with that scary creature design
it looks great but goddamn that's the blandest most generic trailer I've ever seen
Yeah though I was waiting for the Spanish Fascist angle to come into play
Wow, the new AI Artificial Intelegence movie looks sick!
frick that movie
Im ready for some soulful kino
do you have your tickets yet, Cinemaphile?
My closest regal is an hour away so no.
I felt like Pinocchio was just kind of a feel-bad story with little to no triumph or likeable characters. It's not particularly adventurous either all things considered.
I've always been kind of surprised at how big Pinocchio got. So I am assuming most people like the story, but I don't personally know anyone who does.
It's not really a classic fairy tale.
I lump Carlo Collodi in with Hans Christian Anderson in the "19th century children's literature" category, when the only requirement from writing children's stories was a firm hatred of children.
Notably Collodi and Anderson never married or had children themselves. Anderson was probably a gay
Andersen is a mixed bag, where I think a number of his stories are fairly original, but others are also clearly drawing from older folkloric elements, if not totally pre existing stories with a little extra window dressing. Like the concept of Thumbelina, for example, definitely predates him. And the Little Mermaid, even, is a fairly basic fairy creature/human romance when subjected to scrutiny.
Collodi’s Pinocchio though, seems a little more unique, and a little less like a fairy tale and more like a satirical morality play. Lots more dark humor and general weirdness. I’d actually compare it more to Baum’s Oz stories or to Carrol’s Alice in Wonderland, where a lot of that shit you don’t know where the frick the author is coming up with it.
Lewis Carrol famously/notoriously interacted with children a lot and L. Frank Baum I didn't know either, just looked it up had kids and grandkids of his own. Wonderland and Oz feel a lot more like nonsense stories for children made up on the fly without a real "lesson".
Collodi was definitely more into the morality tale thing. "Don't waste your youth and get an education or else you will be condemned to manual labor " is about as blunt as you can get. He was a big Italian Nationalist too, before there was a nation called Italy
Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm were also big into German Unification, come to think of it
Baum had a motivation of wanting to start a distinctively American Fairy Tale tradition too.
His version of Santa Claus was fricking weird
I forgot the blue fairy was a thing in Pinnochi9 and not just from AI the robot kid movie.
she makes me think of the mana guardian from torchlight.
Noaga kotowaru
They're clearly aiming to make this a more grounded since Honest John is just a dude in this.
Though if the synopsis is to be believed then I think this is really not showing most the movie since Pinnocchio is supposed to have a whole angle where the army tries to figure out how to make more of him.
I will be honest anon, i dont give a frick if it isn't "faithful" to the fairy tale or shit like that, i just want a good story with decent looking art. I dont really feel like obsessing over some minor details like some mongoloid "UGH ACKTUALLY SNOWWHITE IS SUPPOSED TO TORTURE AND EAT HER STEP MOTHA, DAT HOW IT BE IN THE ORIGINAL"
hello Cinemaphile, how you doing...
Wait, wasn't he a lion man?
Why would i want to watch the same plot points i already saw in countless adaptations?
Im interested on this adaptation to see something NEW, some fresh takes on the characters, not to make a Youtube comparison video
I knew Del Toro could be counted on to do some kind of actual creepy Fey instead of some chick with butterfly wings, but the chimera sphynx creature is still a little bit of a surprise. Still good, tho.
Women aren’t really people and therefore cannot own property [in 18th century France]
Its like a Sphyx, cool.
>Sexy
>Basically a re-colored Greek Sphinx
Okey.
Are its horns full of eyeballs?
And her vegana is full of centipedes.
I think that'd be pretty unlikely
Yeah, that’s a lot of work in stopmotion.
waifu
yeah that's hot
So is the whole pleasure island and donkey stuff being skipped over in this version?
I get the impression that they might be trying to avoid having as much talking animals or magic after the Blue Fairy brings Pinocchio to life in this one. Even Jiminy’s sapience I think might be an accident brought about by making Pinocchio alive, going by that clip where Jiminy looks like he gets a shock while sitting on Pinocchio’s nose, and everything is glowing blue.
>"I'm a REAL boy!"
>Runs around naked
How do you think this movie will compare to the "true story" of Pinocchio?
>a true story
???
that's not a fairy, that's a sphinx
Disney's new Pinocchio failed miserably because it took out all the lessons he was supposed to have learnt and missed the point of the original completely. He knew right and wrong from the start so Jiminny was redundant. He did go to school only to get kicked for no reason and literally went with Honest John because that was the only other path. He was abducted instead of willingly going to pleasure land where he was reluctant to do any if the things the others were doing (which in this version weren't really all that bad to begin with).
If Del toro can avoid all that then I'm all for it. Though I do see in the trailer there does seem to be a bit where they're using Pinocchio's long nose for seemingly a way to get out of something so that's somewhat head tilting.
What is the logic behind making her a sphinx or whatever? Not that I'm complaining.
Make her more spooky and ethereal
She's not really a sphinx, she's made up of different animals and has multiple eyes like an angel, like a crazy cross between a chimera and a cherubim. I think it's just like another anon said, Del Toro likes fae to look wild so it could just be that, but more could be revealed in the movie that could tell us about what she is
A wooden boy speaks to a fairy and is eaten by a whale. What logic do you want
He spoke to your dad & got his dick sucked by your mom? What?