Do you plan to buy the Tim Sheridan Green Lantern book?
Tim Sheridan says we need to be good allies and support his book so he can defeat the comicsgate chuds and hate youtubers bashing the queer romance in his book.
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Can't both him and comicsgate just please both lose?
I hate them both
I hate them both so fricking much
>Can't both him and comicsgate just please both lose?
It's funny because recently there's been infighting between Eric July and Dick Masterson/etc and EVS is sort of on the latter's side while Kiwi Farms is on the former's side just because they hate everyone on the latter side
Sheridan picked the absolute wrong time to bring up CG and reminded everyone why CG was a thing in the first place, if he didn't do that cringe video, everyone on CG's side would've been focused on the in-fighting, but now they all remembered why CG was a thing in the first place
>Dick Masterson
why is he involved at all?
This culture war has been nothing more than a complete joke on both polar opposite sides of the political spectrum.
Comicsgate has precisely nothing to do with this. They basically did lose. EVS is the only one still talking about mainstream comics.
The people tearing Sheridan apart online aren’t CG it’s everyone else who’s sick of this shit.
I'm heterosexual so I won't be buying this.
Lol did he really say that? I don’t buy garbage
Yeah
https://twitter.com/npz1978/status/1715367587381498071
When you think things can’t get anymore embarrassing.
>its just that they don't like that there's a queer hero in the upper ranks of the dcu
I may be wrong but aren't there already existing gay characters that don't get this kind of backlash? I don't see these types being mad at Question II or Batwoman..
Correct, but those characters were not popular enough on their own so they had to co-opt a more popular character with greater name recognition.
>I don't see these types being mad at Question II or Batwoman..
DC got the message when readers didn't buy it.
Clearly not since those Alan Scott books in the OP are coming out.
>Clearly not since those Alan Scott books in the OP are coming out.
New administration who has yet to realize it.
They'll flatline like Supergay and other sales.
He's one of the only JSAers with any name recognition beyond nerds like us, he was gonna get a book to tie in to the JSA stuff going on one way or another
To be fair I wouldn't expect any Question book to sell Vic or Renee.
I probably would have read a renee question book following 52 but as far as I know they did frick all with the character.
interestingly, V1 The Question also had some preachy moments. there were some 'evil rich men' that were ridiculously racist or selfish.
interesting that the preachy shit back then (dennis o'neal writing, of course) was not as preachy as the preachy shit now. there are different tiers to this political signalling thing and when comics enter that territory nowadays it's a higher tier.
although this Question issue later has this racist cop give his life to save vic. so that ends up becoming 'the question' of the issue - can a racist be a hero?
so it at least adds some complexity at the end. that complexity is now allowed today, racists have to be the villains with no redeeming values.
alot of this n-liberal signalling is not just adding woke elements, but eliminating any complexity whatsoever. but i digress.
Yeah. I appreciate that kind of complexity.
I demand that you prove you're not making stuff up. I've been paying attention to comics fights for over a decade now, and you're the first lunatic who's got it in for Jim Lee being some kind of deranged "turn them gay forever" SJW. Extraordinary claim, and I'm only asking for one source.
Also, Tim Sheridan is not a good writer, so you can take your (You)s and shove em up where the sun don't shine.
Batwoman was interesting to start when it was pulpy Lesbian occult books. But they didn't focus on that and really after the whole Sister arc they didn't know what to do with Kate. Montoya was fricked up by failed attempts at synergy.
Because they're women. Back in the day women were often made lesbians in male-oriented fiction as a form of fanservice, girl on girl action was considered to be really hot, and in these cases both women were always feminine and attractive in a conventional way. This has obviously changed, these days female characters are usually made lesbians as a political statement, one or both of them are very butch and not attractive by conventional male tastes, and the whole thing is usually played from a feminist angle.
Kate and Montoya had their heyday over a decade ago when this transition was in its early stages and the old perception was still somewhat in place, so a lot of readers still welcomed them.
If this is the followup to the preview already it's SOP time.
If you tried to make midnighter and apollo straight, this place would dump on it.
Look at his track record. You think he's going to get people hyped for his book on good characters? Plot? Interesting scenarios? Creativity? It's literally his best play.
what is his track record? I don't even know who this is
I had forgotten who he was until I looked his stuff up
he co-wrote Flashpoint Beyond,
he wrote Teen Titans Academy and Future State: Teen Titans and Future State: Shazam
he wrote for the Tomorrowverse animated films:
>Superman: Man of Tomorrow
>Batman: The Long Halloween part 1 and 2
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Tim_Sheridan/Writer
Mainly because they are new characters rather than existing ones that got retconned into being gay
Question II was an existing character, Renee Montoya
Yes and I’m pretty sure she was revealed gay not long after her introduction
He does know making orders before FOC is more important right?
>Fat white guy in thick glasses, with a beard and his mouth wide open sitting in front of a bunch of 80s action figures
Seriously, what is this? Why is there some kind of clones of a fat bearded nerd in glasses making the exact. Same. Face. While in a room full of old toys every last fricking time? Who cloned him and why in all frick would anyone do that?
That Nostalgia Critic image really ties everything together. At first i was like, that doesn't even look like soi he is doing that dead inside face on purpose, but the fact that he is put along a collage of soi makes it seem like he is self aware and in horror of his own existence.
Weirdly this is the look and uniform of people you meet that absolutely 100% WILL BE the angriest, most judgmental, stereotype using, button pushing butthole that only ever pisses people off and drives them away you will ever meet.
The fat balding bearded guy in glasses epitomizes the whole using stereotypes to judge the frick out of someone and insult them on the first glance...that they seem to really hate the evil rich sporty guys and pretend they do in their imaginations.
it is similar biological parameters that makes them want to send certain signals
these same biological parameters give them feminine appearances and feminine body language
(also these parameters can make people trans)
there is a reason this isn't happening in certain other countries which are not flooded with modern chemicals
>read my book not because it will be good but because that way we can shove it in the face of some losers who make me feel bad but have no impact on the industry whatsoever
What a pathetic homosexual, so glad I already hated him.
A lot of people are missing one thing, this is done for personal gain and not for the company, title, or character at all. Adding minority or LGBT stuff really helps promote the person that added it in a fricking huge way, in a job that depends on social media likes to be noticed for the next job.
When comic writing is a gig based job, and media gig jobs are entirely reputation based, and those are often found and discovered on social media, it turned into a game of trying to be the biggest, strongest panderer to the Twitter camp humanly imaginable. Because it fricking works to add in as much LGBT shit as possible to a book. They will be showered with praise, probably win an award or two, get articles written about them, they get to be a media darling for a few weeks for their amazing contribution and how wonderful that is.
Who the hell cares of the book tanked, and never sold. That just means the comic reading audience were all bigots. The book contribution and the awards won look fricking amazing on a resume, and when people looking to hire a new writer/artist/etc on Twitter they see this guy with a huge following, tons of awards under their belt, tons of articles written about how amazing they are, they get hired in an instant. They also don't care if the last book never sold, this guy is a celebrity and might draw in readers based on their name alone.
Animation industry is in the same boat. Every level position is advertised and hired through social media way more than normal means of hiring someone. So the loudest panderer that was an ally flavor of the week gets a much better chance at being hired.
It is an agenda, but an agenda to promote oneself over the thing they worked on and medium they are in. and it has worked amazingly for about 8ish years now.
I'm pretty sure the real reason is even more cynical than that; it's signaling the friend/enemy distinction. Sabotaging your own projects for the sake of signaling complete loyalty to leftist ideology.
It's really not that political, it's about getting really great animation/art gigs over twitter. Some studios will hire someone with almost zero skills or no work history because they have a big following and a few awards n their name. Just to show that studio is an equal opportunity place that has this famous person in their building.
Nobody is getting comic gigs over resumes, they're getting included into the incestuous comic industry clusterfrick because someone vouches that they're mindlessly loyal marxists.
Yeah, that's basically what I said. This is how they are doing it, twitter popularity and friends of friends who like their politics. No resumes ever come into the picture.
Just look at Mags The Man In a Dress Vissaggio, Snyder is clearly using her to stave off the recent narrative that he panders to chuds and CG types.
I think that homosexual burned some bridges with his little tantrum about DC not letting him turn Conner Kent trans.
I’d honestly have traded that for Jon being aged up and made gay.
This is really common too, this kind of shit kept happening over at Netflix too. LGBT writer/director wanted to add something just outright insane, suits told them no, they lost their shit on twitter and scream about their bosses until fired. Then scream some more about being marginalized and hated by bigots. What is with lgbt creators and their emotional stability of a middle schooler?
Who’s the Netflix example?
Isn't that the current writer of Hawkgirl?
Nah that’s jahdzia. Another man in a dress.
What is Snyder doing with Mags? Mags already tried to get Snyder semi-cancelled, saying that Scott "calls up and makes you do emotional labor".
...you just described how people land work at Disney TVA. It's actually kind of frustrating how many people will land incredibly comfy spots on series based on how well a Climate Justice Now or Trans Rights poster performed on Twitter/X that had the staff thinking this was some amazing hot new artist that would draw in viewership. Or the hiring director was a terminally online social media addict, since scanning for new talent is their job, they tend to fall into this a little too much and do start hiring based on how much of a following someone has or how many times they have been mentioned by some media sites for their activism.
jesus even I have more twitter followers than him
>reading any modern GL
Why would one do this?
>Tim Sheridan Green Lantern book
The non-Alan Scott stuff that Jeremy Adams is writing is good.
>please buy my book it has an old character retconned into having gay sex
woah... so this is the power of comic book marketing...
This homosexual admit queer pandering not popular and kill characters mainstream appeal.
>kill characters mainstream appeal.
DC went from hating Damian Wayne to the point of cancelling an Arkham game staring him too becoming the main replacing Robin of Tim Drake after they made him Tim Drake. Superman son will probably get replaced by a new Superman kid.
>Do you plan to buy the Tim Sheridan Green Lantern book?
No, but it's not because of Sheridan's pathetic ragebaiting. It's becccause I simply don't have any interest in any kind of a JSA book.
No, but to be fair I just pirate everything anyway.
I probably won't even read this one, though. That will show him.
As long as Jade guest stars and makes out with the new Ruby character
i'm one of the few people on this board not assblasted about alan being turned gay, but there is no way in hell i am reading a book by fricking tim sheridan.
Frick yourself homosexual
>nooooo how can you not read a book made by a hack who constantly proves he can't make a good book to save his life
I miss Alan being the chad that tagged the golden age Harley and Ivy
Alan does not look happy in this illustration, at all. I wonder what he's thinking about?
Clearly he's thinking about how much he would rather have worms living in his anus.
In Alan's defense Harlequin was a total fricking freak by Golden Age standards
I wonder what he's thinking here
Speaking of, where does this gay shit leave her, Jade and Obsidian?
Not sure about her but Jade and Obsidian are still around.
Then what about Jade and Todd? Is Alan actually gay or bisexual? If he is gay why did he marry a woman ? And why did he treat Todd like shit?
>why did he marry a woman ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beard_(companion)
For example, Office Clemmons married one for a time to hide the fact that he was gay and marrying was even something Mr. Rogers suggested him to do
Not trying to demonize him, in fact Clemmons has zero hard feelings about it and understood Rogers' concerns that if he was openly gay it'd get the show cancelled because of the scandal (that and Rogers never showed any hatred upon finding out Clemmons was gay)
It was just the type of thing that happened at the time
>And why did he treat Todd like shit?
Internalized homophobia, gay people hate who they are so much they lash out at people who are also gay
Think of it like Uncle Ruckus for homosexuals
Its basically where the whole "Homophobic priests are closeted gays in denial"
That and the whole molestation scandals
See also: The odd amount of people who complain about e-girl on the internet being busted for CP
She's dead but Alan Scott had a short story telling his kids he was gay the whole time
He doesn't say shit like "I never truly loved her" or "This b***h meant nothing to me", just that he tried to work out heterosexual marriages like many gay guys of the time
How much chemistry did he actually have with her anyways? Not being sarcastic, genuinely asking
I fricking hate comic books.
What the frick would it take to make DC actually use Obsidian?
Isn’t it canon that the train accident happened because Alan was buttfricking the conductor when it happened?
I make it a point to never desecrate one of my floppies. Not one. Even if I hate them. I have mint condition Tom king Batman issues I’d love to burn but I can’t.
But when I bought worlds finest and it had the preview for this with the two gays kissing (I refuse to refer to one of the gays as Alan that’s not Alan) I cut the shit right out and ripped the pages to pieces so not even the week old tuna salad would have to see it and threw them away.
Frick this homosexual and every writer like him pissing actual paying customers off just to then block everyone and sell less than the drop dead moronic CG gays he seemed to happy to bait until they bit.
I would never buy anything from DC because they're anti-white, and I am white.
Is Tim Sheridan even gay?
homosexualry is a behavior, and this is at least as gay as sticking your penis into a man's butthole.
I mean the anti gay Alan people are so annoying I kinda want to buy the first issue even though I don’t really care
Do it homosexual. Waste your money on a comic you have no interest in just to stick it to le ebil internet meanies and then consider the fact that you’re doing exactly what the morons who support ISOM are doing. That’ll teach the chuds!
He won't even remember when it comes out.
Oh no spending 4$, how will I survive
And how exactly is that 4 dollars going to support the comic at all? FOC was weeks ago moron. The point is you’re buying something you don’t care about for the most moronic reason in the world.
No because the moron did it after final order cutoff, this is what happens when they hire people who don’t understand the industry.
>I-It’s only 4 dollars this totally means I’m nothing like those insufferable culture warriors
Way to stick it to them! That’ll teach them
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This is obviously a cynical attempt to play into the culture war to gain attraction to his book. Regardless of where you guys stand politically, does this seem like a good strategy that will boost comic sales?
No.
>does this seem like a good strategy that will boost comic sales?
no, it seems like a desperate attempt to get any attention on his book. the three jsa minis that are coming out had little hype around them, but the alan scott one especially has no interest.
Pandering and being a big fish in a small pond is a perfectly legit strategy. The problem for Tim Sheridan specifically is two-fold.
1. The left is the mainstream, so it's full of fish already. Not only that, it's full of fish that are more exotic than he is. He's a gay white man in a market populated by transgender, transracial, genderfluid, disabled sex workers. He might as well be straight.
2. Not all audiences are created the same. The extreme left elements he's pandering to don't seem to have money, don't enjoy spending money, and may not even believe in money.
I mean being bad at writing is also a big problem for him I'd say
Sure, and this is where the identity politics people kind of shot themselves in the foot. They brought in so many of their own kind, they're not a novelty anymore. Now they actually have to be good to differentiate themselves from their peers.
Specifically, I'd say he's a worse writer than gabby riviera, and not as interesting or creative.
I hope not....it'll only encourage more people to do the same....
>shitty retcon
>shitty concept
>shitty writer
No, I will be skipping this one until they make the right choice and stop forcing this gay meme around Alan
...how is it that people are still b***hing about comicsgate?
You could ask the same for people that are still complaining about the comic industry as a whole.
Comics haven't improved, so it's natural the b***hing has continied.
I mean we're literally in a thread about trying to sell comic books with the sales pitch that it's full of homosexualry.
Only the lowest of the low tiers still b***h about it on an active basis and not realize CG is its own pool of moronation that's best left ignored
Sheridan has NOTHING
Why do comic writers think people read superhero comics for the gay romance?
People tend to read them for romance already. I mean, come on. Batman and Catwoman, Superman and Lois, Spider-Man and Mary Jane ring a bell?
the difference is that there's a bigger market for batman ploughing catwoman than two gay dudes swapping poop
Then why complain about it if you and everybody else is in the consensus of not buying nor reading it to begin with? Also, don't be so crude. You act like Batman and Catwoman are any more sanitized in the bedroom.
Because it's pathetic marketing and pathetic optics by a dying company and a bad writer whose work no one wants to read of a character bent to fit an agenda. A perfect representation of the kind of parasitical hacks at DC and Marvel today.
They've got pathetic sales and a total of 3 good books—Superman, Shazam and Adam's GL—and this is just one of many bad decisions and bad writers infesting that shithole of a company.
I complain because it's pandering to the point of bigotry. It's an insult to me as a gay man to try to use this as an excuse for his shoddy work. It's disgusting and on the level of pol.
Seriously, why is it gay writers cannot write anything but gay sex shit? Just...nothing else. It has to be self insert, personal interest rom com gay shit no matter what it is they are writing every single time.
...do they really think that every other straight writer also only ever writes about sex and relationship drama and absolutely nothing else ever no matter what ever?
As long as the other guy is white I guess is fine
That's not fine, he should be topping a homeless youth of color
I would pardon that black guy if I was in charge.
Blacks should be given monetary compensation for killing urban leftists under any pretense.
I mean, he is. But why would it be such a deal breaker if he wasn't?
Here we go again.
>“This is a very preliminary investigation of the physiology of sexual prejudice,” Blair said. “The work needs to be replicated with a larger sample and with more indicators of physiological reactivity as well as additional indicators to help decipher what the physiological responses mean. For example, it is difficult to determine whether an elevated salivary alpha-amylase level indicates stress, fear, or anger.”
This headline keeps being thrown around despite people not bothering to read the actual study and how it's far from a proper indicator due to the scale and results from this investigation. That has yet to be replicated on a larger scale, by the way.
gays are gross, actually
Gone talking to a wall, I see.
walls are less likely to have anal parasites, therefore make for better conversation than homosexuals
But they are way more likely to have mold within them. So I wouldn't say it's any better, that is if you don't mind it building up in your lungs.
>this level of cope
>cope
Using the information provided from the study conducted.
>hundreds of men uniformly find gays disgusting
>"well we need to make sure it's hundreds of thousands before we jump to conclusions!!"
copius maximus
Yes, lets just disregard the scientific method when it doesn't appeal to ones prejudices.
With that level of special pleading, you really don't have any justification to claim science is on your side anon.
Was I pleading or do you not understand sarcasm?
LOL. Alright. I don't know if you are just unfamiliar with the phrase, or if I'm being trolled by someone pretending to be moronic. In any event you, and the dude who first posted the study really belong in pol with that kind of off topic garbage.
> the dude who first posted the study
You mean the one who just posted the title of the article?
I can't speak for every straight guy, but I can tell you that my reaction to seeing two men kissing is similar to seeing maggots. That doesn't mean I hate maggots though, I just don't like looking at them, and I wouldn't read a comic book about them.
They’re just not interested in straight men buying their books, they’ve already destroyed their customer base in the last 20 years so it only makes sense to ruin these characters in perpetuity for anyone else who used to like them
The faster DC dies, the better. Public Domain isn't preferable, but its better than the horseshit that's coming out nowadays. The conservatives and the liberals don't deserve these characters.
what conservatives?
Reminder that Alan attempting to clumsily relate to his estranged gay son was a really charming character dynamic we'll never get back. Really the worst part of the gaywashing.
Dude, this page has more charm than all of Tim Sheridan's career as a writer. Bring back straight Alan, he was greater than what were getting.
Todd should have such complicated, conflicting feelings about Alan coming out, and he just doesn't. It sucks.
They've deliberately avoided doing anything even slightly messy or human with Alan being gay and I hate it.
>Todd should have such complicated, conflicting feelings about Alan coming out, and he just doesn't.
That does sound somewhat interesting considering their estrangement prior. Wasn't Alan himself ignorant to Todd's sexuality? If so, I'd think that would fuel something within him after this revelation. That his own father was gay all along but wasn't okay with it at first.
Todd learns that not only was his real dad not there to help him with his terrible upbringing, but even as Green Lantern Alan didn't help Todd the way he could have. What would it have meant to him as an abused, closeted kid if one of the greatest superheroes ever was openly gay? Then meeting that guy and learning he's his real dad. It would have completely changed their relationship.
You can't have Obsidian or Alan so much as express regret over what could have been?
Todd was also gaywashed though, he was straight in the Infinity Inc days, then that horrific JLA run just before Morrison's gayed him up. But nobody cared because it's just Todd.
Even though Todd's story was meant to be an important lesson about not judging people or making assumptions about them, and how if a guy isn't stereotypically masculine you shouldn't just assume they're gay, it's been very effectively memoryholed and people just seem to think he was always gay. Or that if the question "is this guy a gay?" is ever raised, the answer must be "yes", and the retcon is a "correction" to the original story. There's a few other characters in a similar situation, like Iceman and Nico from Runaways, where a later writer went back and made them gay after the idea had already been shot down.
Isn’t it true that Alan Scott was created by an openly catholic writer? Because this whole things smells of a petty attack towards a dead man none of us know
It wouldn't be an intentional one in this case. The real reason is that there was that Green Lantern TV show that would focus on three Lanterns from different decades, and was gonna use a gay Alan Scott whose adventures would be in the 1940s, and making the mainline Alan gay was a preemptive attempt at synergy. (New 52 E2 Alan was a "modern" Alan Scott rather than a 1940s Alan).
The irony is that with Zaslav and Gunn, that project was scrapped in favor of a show that starred Hal Jordan and John Stewart, so this retcon now has no real purpose
>The people who grew up reading the Alan Scott comics, or read a lot of them, don't like forced retcons that contradict the character and character's history
>the younger audience are indifferent because there's a lot more LGBTQ characters to choose from or they're reading manga which itself sometimes has stories about LGBTQ characters
>The Comicsgate and Comicsgate-adjacent just see it as another reason to keep pushing back
>The movie/TV crowd won't be picking up because interest in DC movie/TV stuff is at a low and usually don't pick up comics in the first place
I mean who is this really for?
That's not what happened.
Alan Scott being made gay in the main DCU was entirely ordered by Jim Lee.
Jim Lee never fricking forgave fans and retailers for rejecting the New 52 and for whatever reason, Jim fixated on the backlash from fans and retailers (but especially retailers) over New 52 Alan Scott being made gay purely as a response to Jim Lee ERASING Alan's gay son from existence/Jim basically banning Obsidian from existence due to Jim being in lockstep with Dan Didio wanting to get rid of super hero kids and legacy characters, as the hill he would die on as far as claiming that so long as he held power at DC, Alan Scott would forever be a gay to "own the chuds" who rejected the New 52 and Jim's demand for Superman/Wonder Woman as a couple to such a degree that DiDio had to backpeddle hard with Rebirth and restoring the post-Crisis status quo for a lot of charcters.
That is hilarious, anon. You got ANY proof to back that up?
It fricking happened. Most notably at a retail conference where shop owners met with big whig's from DC and Marvel, where the retailers chewed the Big Two out on the their bullshit anti-life woke shit and crap like the New 52 that was causing shops to lose customers and start gojng out of business with Alan Scott turning gay being brought up
Jim Lee went full ape shit accusing all the retailers and their customers of being Nazi chuds for daring to clap back against gay Alan Scott and New 52 and point blank said Alan would remain gay so long as he was in charge of DC and "anyone who didn't like it could frick off and not buy comics ever again" in terms of Lee committibg professional suicide by telling the customers of DC that he would sooner drive the company and comic retailers out of business than course correct away from woke bullshit
And why has no one ever actually reported on this?
Because that guy you're responding to is making up fanfic again
It sounds like someone mistook Tom Taylor or the Marvel dude for Jim Lee.
It was widely reported, to the point that Lee going full c**tface on readers and retailers over the woke bullshit and the catastrophic damage New 52 did to the industry, even made Rich fricking Johnston have to report it and the fact that Jim Lee said the quiet part out loud that the woke mafia were willing to crash the industry with no fricking survivors and people like Jim were willing to help them do it, because he was THAT fricking pissy New 52 failed miserably to the extent that DiDio had to cave and restore as much pre-Flashpoint post-Crisis lore as possible complete with having the new 52 Superman/Lois Lane die a horrific death so that the post-Crisis Lois and Clark could waltz back into the picture after being stuck in a Brainiac death trap for four and a half years.
Look we all know you're bullshitting again so just take your fanfic and go home
Honestly if you demand to be spoon fed and don’t even remember the Dennis Barger fights I really don’t know why you’re here.
Tim Sheridan - aka (You) - should blow his brains out
One link. Just one link, anon.
They did a pretty good backup series call The Question: Pipeline, but after that, she's just gotten one shots in Annuals or out of universe nonsense like Other History of the DC Universe or supporting appearances. Even in Black Label, they've made more Vic Sage stories than Renee ones.
All of this shit was started by that really really fricking awful Earth-2 reboot shit from about a decade ago when Didio decided to cancel the successful Johns JSA book, that had spinoffs due to popularity and remake the whole team into a minority soup. And someone had to be the gay one.
And the Earth 2 reboot happened because someone suggested that instead of doing a story where the JSA was around in the 40s to present day, why not do a reboot of the JSA in the modern day
Then they realized wait, this gets rid of Obsidian
And then decided okay we'll make E2 Alan gay to make up for that
And then someone decided to use that idea for the TV show
It's still a really stupid decision to cancel a successful JSA and JSA All Stars, and reboot it into something 100% different. You do not retool everything from the ground up when a book is selling.
While I mostly agree and mostly do shit on Didio as well it’s overstated how much he WANTED to do any of this. WB installed Diane Nelson to be their iron fist and she demanded extreme changes during the post flashpoint era. They then brought Lee in as publisher to basically threaten Didio with a replacement and to add a yes man, and surprise surprise the yes man is still there.
Didio has a lot of blame at his feet but you need to stop letting Diane Nelson and Jim Lee off. As well as Michael uslan who, due to owning the Batman movie rights, dictates in some ways what DC is willing to do with the character especially in movie release years where of course companies love to do synergized efforts.
I honestly believe WB infected the internet blaming Didio for everything to avoid being blamed themselves.
>I honestly believe WB infected the internet blaming Didio for everything to avoid being blamed themselves.
I believe it. Didio does deserve a lot of blame, but people gloss over a lot of other people involved.
I would argue Nelson above all deserves the most
too many fricking Green Lanterns
Honestly, yes.
>A homosexual romance story
Can't wait not to read this
God no, the book looks like shit and Sheridan is a shitty writer and that’s even before them forcing the whole Alan being gay thing that no one likes
Despite what I'm about to type, I'm fine with characters having whatever sexuality the writers want. BUT, having an AU version of a character with a different sexuality is all well and good but forcing the extremely well established character to adopt that AU sexuality just because of the popularity of that take on the character is fricking awful.Just write that version of the character, a younger Alan from Earth 2 moves to prime and he's gay, cue him having to explain that to himself and oh wow he even has a gay son on this earth who can bond with him isn't that neat. It's insane. If a fricking trans AU Batman become popular on twitter/tumblr/tiktok that doesn't mean Bruce in the prime universe should secretly be closeted trans, it just means you hit a good market and can now produce comics with that character. Diversity being forcefully added to per-established characters is the laziest shit and I don't get how people who ARE actually being represented by that are just okay with it. I'd rather have someone new that truly is created to represent my group, whatever that may be, then someone going "Hey, didya know that Iron-man is actually an X/Y/Z just like you? Money now please, make sure to buy the pride cover variants."
I'm sick of homosexuals.
What would mainstream comics be like if maladjusted degenerates didn't use them as a vehicle for their daddy issues?
They’d be poorly written but less offensive. Maybe even a few well written ones here and there.
When they get turned gay, do not pay.
Honest question is there a single gay character in superhero comics that anybody likes? I swear I hear nothing but complaints.
Midnighter is okay, but he would be better if he wasn't a gay.
Good grief.
People hate montoya for stealing the question monicker but not for being a lesbian. Batwoman’s only good run is about being a lesbian. Midnighter and Apollo are pretty beloved.
When you change someone like Tim, Bobby, Jon, and Alan it’s going to piss people off. And even then I’d point out that it makes the least sense for Alan because people experiment into the 20s and 30s all the time these days. Jon’s sexuality is reviled because it was used as a spiteful shield to stop the “deage jon” complaints (which still pour out every time DC posts about him or Damian).
It really comes down to if it’s genuine or not. Most of the time it isn’t.
People accept Constantine being half homo, people accept (mostly) ivy and Harley - the hate for Harley is similar to the kamala and Carol hate and more based on their outsized company push.
They don’t accept gays pushing “queer coding” as a thing to then bastardize characters into being gay.
With Harley and Ivy the problem is it being used as justification for turning them into antiheroes who the actual heroes work with and tolerate, like you can't be evil and gay. There's a similar situation at Marvel with them trying to push Mystique and Destiny as their big lesbian couple, and memoryhole all of Mystique's relationships with men. They're objectively evil, but they still want us to like them and sympathize with them because lesbians.
Also, a significant number of people who cared about Harley only ever cared about her as the Joker's sidekick/love interest, and this is an attempt to permanently move her away from that role.
I’d agree with most of this but I don’t think it’s the sexuality itself that’s the problem but more,cas you said, it being used as a shield from criticism of other discrepancies.
It’s how I feel about Taylor turning Jon gay. Notice Bendis tried shipping him with Saturn girl, to his credit despite being the one who undoubtedly ruined the character he at least didn’t use a sexuality change as a defense mechanism. Taylor used it immediately to ensure he could call anyone demanding Jon be made a kid again would be called homophobe.
Happily many Jon fans still persist and Taylor, largely, has failed. Even if Jon is still a homosexual teen.
With Harley it's two problems, firstly she has to be promoted over everyone and everything. so she gets to beat up top level heroes she has no business fricking with, like the time she took on and defeated Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman at the same time in Heroes in Crisis. People get sick of the new popular character must be elevated to beating up everyone else status because popular.
Secondly it's the tired old, any girl character that reaches some level of mainstream appeal MUST become a lesbian now. Like Marceline and Bubblegum, Tracer, Velma, Korra, Spider-Woman, Batwoman, That new Green Lantern, coming soon Hawkgirl...it's not a new and novel thing any more when any time a female character gets a level of popularity they must be gay now.
Black Cat.
Since making him gay, have ANY Alan Scott stories been published that address how this in effect makes him an extremely shitty person that emotionally manipulated and knocked up Rose despite never returning her feelings for him?
Or how it makes him a giant jackass for all the years he spent at arms' length from and judging his son for being gay himself?
Has it been brought up even once? Anywhere? I am seriously asking.
>Green Lantern is gay
>his son is gay
They should have plenty to share at this point. Like lovers.
They already did, it’s now canon that Alan molested his son like most gay fathers
No, he came out to obsidian and jade and it was treated as a sitcom moment and then none of them ever interacted again. Because none of them ever interact because DC writers don’t care about the characters until Pride specials.
>Has it been brought up even once? Anywhere? I am seriously asking.
It has somewhat. He came out to his kids and they were glad to see him open up about it. Then in a DC Pride story “He’s the Light of My Life”. Alan tries to reconnect with Todd. Alan explains his struggles as a closeted gay man back in the day. And that Todd gave him the confidence to come out. At least that’s the gist of what I remember.
Nobody gave a frick about this guy until this interview. More power to him for garnering attention, I guess.
Nah he did this after being berated by everyone on Twitter, gay straight or bi. This was his way to cope hoping that calling them all bigots and CG he could make himself a martyr and after seeing how low his numbers on issue one are he’s hoping for a second print which these losers use as a win rather than an admission that shops didnt buy the first print.
>begging people to buy multiple copies of his book to prove there's demand
Sounds like he's proving there isn't demand.
I bought the first issues of the Wesley Dodds and Jay Garrick miniseries' and I really enjoyed both and I'll keep reading them. Won't be touching this one.
Tim Sheridan:
>Please buy all the variants of my gay comic to own the chuds!
Tim Seeley:
>Variant covers ruined the industry, not the gays!
Who's right? Which Tim is the superior Tim?
Seeley
I despise variant covers. I hate that the guy who runs my local shop buys like an even mixture of all the different covers so sometimes it's hard to find just a normal one. I've asked him to not pull variant covers for me, and if he ever forgets and gives me one of those DC card stock covers I don't pay the extra dollar.
Seeley, palmiotti, ottley and all of the spineless little c**ts shilling these distractions are just trying to open a forum to get Twitter clout.
Everybody damn well knows it’s woke shit killing the medium. They just don’t have the spine to admit it.
That being said Sheridan and people like him should genuinely be blacklisted from the industry for how he’s openly attacked paying customers in favor of a mythological LGTB, direct-market-buying audience.
Seeley's a good dude, willing to listen to righties without antagonizing them. And he's right - there's no example of a big righty book doing super well in stores, and plenty of examples of woke crap doing well, despite lots of it failing (Barbie movie, anyone?) The mechanics of the business are broken and getting worse, and while the ideology is annoying, it's not as much of a problem as people claim for pure sales.
Hold up. What's the last big righty book in Cinemaphilemics land? It's easier to find openly transexuals than openly republicans.
Fables, maybe?
That ended like 8 years ago, and I don't think willingham could get hired by the big 2 now.
>That ended like 8 years ago,
It came back like a few years ago. And then internal problems at DC leading to conflicts with Willingham led to him making that announcement not long ago about putting Fables into the public domain
In any case, Willingham's probably the biggest conservative in the industry, and he's barely hanging on at Vertigo. Compare that to books, video games, anime, and even Hollywood. The big 2 doesn't have a big conservative call of duty/ Tom Clancy book. Considering how much of america is right wing, I don't think it's a lack of interest. I think they're just not trying.
Fables, Dixon keeps putting out new books with a bunch of different indie publishers, and stores COULD sell things like Black Hops or Kamen America. The non-toxic righty books are out there to sell. But none of them have more than about 3000 buyers.
>Black Hops
The beer?
The bunny comic by Tim Lim.
Oh yeah. Usa-GI. I remember thinking it was a bad ripoff of Cat Shit one.
Hardware by Milestone
Seeley gave us Cassie Hack and Em Cypress so he's alright in my book
You know, if DC was actually selling books and making money the normal way, they wouldn't feel a need to make books that strictly pander in some desperate want to find new readers somehow
Why does he fricking look like Phil Fish?
Because he’s constantly letting guys named Phil fish his ass with their poles.
Alan Scott: The Green Lantern #1 preview
I really wish they didn't include this softcore gay porn in other books.
Frick it. I'm done defending DC. I've been their last man standing, die hardest die hard fan shooting myself in the foot and dying on their fricking hill for 12 years now. I should have got out when they nu52'd me, but I didn't. I should have got out when they let Tom King cuck Batman at the altar, but I didn't. I should have got out when they made Wally West a serial killer and turned Superman's son and Tim Drake gay, but I didn't.
But I'm fricking done. They did it. They figured out how to drive their last living fan way. Fricking kudos, DC, I guess.
Frick this company. I hope they fricking die.
I honestly don't see what makes this any more inappropriate than the usual in-bed scenes we get in cape comics
thats because it isn't
Why is always the same when they turn a character gay or introduce a new gay character? They stop being characters and the only thing that matters is how much wiener they suck and remind the reader every other page how big homosexuals they are.
Say what you want of Lobdell but he actually tried with Bunker and he wasn't defined for being gay
Because "being gay" is all the character they are meant to have. They are mouthpieces for a political ideology, not the means by which a story is told.
The people who actually want comics like this just want an endless parade of coming out stories, once they get one, they just move on to demanding another character comes out. Except for the fujo shippers, they don't care about what's next, and the character's entire personality is replaced with "being gay".
"Johnny Ladd" is a reference to Alan Scott's original, proposed name of "Alan Ladd," which was meant to evoke feelings of "Alladin," another hero blessed with the power of a magical ring. Unfortunately, there was already a real Hollywood actor name Alan Ladd out there at the time, and so the reference was abandoned.
Interesting.
I liked Sandman and the Golden Age Flash comic
but I think I'll pass on this one
Every fricking DC comic this month has ended with a page of Alan taking it up the butt from his gay lover. Every fricking one. I am so fricking demoralized. I've had a sweet picture of GA GL on my wall for about 10 years now and I'm seriously thinking of taking it down. Have been for a while. It's all so fricking tiresome.
>Every fricking DC comic this month has ended with a page of Alan taking it up the butt from his gay lover.
Sure it's been showing this preview but nothing of what you described has been shown, calm down. You can still like Green Lantern, just don't acknowledge this story much like everyone else here is.
I dunno ano this page
has been in every DC comic and it heavily implies that Alan is the bottom
That's still quite the difference between that and what they described.
Maybe, but it's absolutely 100 percent full speed ahead worksafe tom of finland.
We'll see once this series comes along then, won't we? I doubt Alan Scott will be donning a leather jacket and assless chaps anytime soon.
It's already in the fricking preview.
It's literally a romance book.
You sound like a homosexual
And his shits all moronic
Thanks for responding. Trashing my art now. Gonna replace it with somethiing less gay, like maybe a signed photo The Village People or something.
Post pic
So much for that. You could've got a quick five bucks out of that.
It's DC Comics. I would've had to either sketch bat ears onto him or pay someone at least ten bucks to take it and you fricking know it.
You'd be surprised but you've made your bed.
He should probably buy 10 more amirite!? have a nice day Tim
Pathetic.
i't's not about the money. It's about sending a message.
It really was uncalled for.
kek Honestly I'll gladly buy the comic if it means that more people here trash stuff they paid money for as a "protest"
Show extra copies or GTFO.
Not that anon but it's not out, we'll have to wait & see.
>I'll waste my money to make other people waste their money
The only winner is Tim.
I'm winning too seeing you losers wreck your own shit
The empty platitudes of a would be agitator.
>I’ll gladly support corporate America as long as they say the most damaging thing possible
Modern leftism everybody
Show it to that Sheridan homosexual on Twatter.
What do you think will happen? Sheridan wouldn't care less about that.
Why not sell it? At least get some money out of it.
"Calm down son, it's just a drawing."
No. Frick you;.
Your Alan died right before Flashpoint anyway. This Alan is a retcon, but that’s okay.
Jade is the successor to Alan. Stop worrying about him and sumo for his hot daughter waifu.
I think I said above I legit cut that shit out of my copy of worlds finest.
I just don't think Tim Sheridan has what it takes to address the political ramification of Alan Scott staying in the closet till 2023.
ALAN SCOTT: THE GREEN LANTERN #4
Main cover by David Talaski
Variant cover by Nick Robles
ALAN SCOTT: THE GREEN LANTERN #3
Variant cover by Amy Reeder
The puffy shirt. Being left handed. Being a blonde from Gotham.
C’mon anons. We been knew he was fruity.
I totally forgot about Aquaman's dyke daughter
Um, okay
I think the sad part is that nobody is going to take Alan seriously anymore. The other is that Sheridan is still trying to conjure up CG as if the industry isn't already in the toilet.
>I think the sad part is that nobody is going to take Alan seriously anymore.
Well yeah. Gays being superheroes is like straights being pedos. It can happen but it just never looks right.
Can't wait till comic creators start blaming lower sales on nazis or some shit.
>Do you plan to buy the Tim Sheridan Green Lantern book?
Wasn't going to pirate it / still not going to pirate it.
This dude is such a worthless homosexual but lol at rippagay acting like he isn’t exactly the same
>Tim trying to shill an awful capeshit book with a forced gay relationship nobody wanted
>Tim trying to drum up support by trying to persuade buyers into thinking Comicsgate is some credible threat to comics when they are currently eating each other just like the lefty grifters.
American comics are such a joke.
Somehow everyone I actually follow doesn't pull this shit