Any writer of real worth wouldn't be dissuaded by this. They'd move on and find another job, because they can.
The fact of the matter is that most of these people are student council types who have coasted on following all the right rules and procedures to get where they are. I sincerely doubt most of them have actually really struggled to wind up on whatever bullshit Netflix or streaming lite app they've been taking a paycheck in from.
These are not real creatives. They are employees. Creatives make the world, and will always find a place, because they can build it themselves.
If you can't do that, don't go into a creative field.
It's not that simple, you're talking of an era long past.
Writers nowdays are little more than drones on demand with little imput on the show they're writing and no career avenues.
I think this is a fair point, and those rooms should be abolished, or at least not used so liberally.
There's also something in there, however, that Martin himself said---he had written a bunch of stuff, for like a decade, before becoming a television writer.
How many of these current writers are actually working on their own projects, actively? Or have written a substantial body of work before they get a job on a show? I know that they're "new," but even a new writer should have a good body of work to demonstrate. It doesn't even have to be official or published---it just has to be good. At this point, there's almost no excuse to not be at least self-published. Regardless of the connotation, even that at least shows that you enjoy the craft.
Maybe getting rid of the mini-rooms will narrow this bottleneck and introduce quality control again, however minimal it may be. It's just exhausting seeing such uncreative types get to major levels in what is ultimately an industry centered around storytelling. I know that's the sort of irony of Hollywood, but it doesn't mean that it can't change just a little.
This
Also, they have had literally more than 10 years to get ahead of the streaming situation and ask for changes. Every employer wants to and does pay their employees the least amount of money they can. What makes writers any different from any other worker? Additionally, sometimes the world changes and moves on. For example, railroad workers are not paid or treated the same they were in early part of the 20th century. I think the streaming situation is a similar shift in the entertainment industry. The argument that they are "not paid a living wage" weakens their argument. "Living wage" is way too nebulous of a thing to use as any kind of bargaining point
I am neutral.
Writers aren't all bad and the big wigs meaning pro-writers and producers kept their job and have just gonna be even more influence now.
They are still pro poz..
Corpos and directors are uber pro poz.
Fledging writers are gonna be obliterated, regardless of poz.
I support the strike. I don't support the companies giving into the demands. Let these companies lose trillions in profits and let all these people get fired and go homeless and die.
Dude if I went to a restaurant where the staff treated me like shit, openingly mocked me and gave me garbage food, I would totally celebrate them going out of business and in fact have done so
Exactly, we are the consumers, we owe them nothing it's the other way around. If you Produce an inferior product that people don't want you don't get to attack people for not wanting something. It's why these people are always authoritarians politically, they think their better than everyone else and should be able to just tell their "lessers" what they should and shouldn't like.
Hollywood has thousands of scripts that they bought and threw into a vault. This strike can lsst forever, doesn't matter now because zoomers and gen alpha don't care for scripted TV shows.
AI can't have bias because it doesn't think. When you ask the AI *what song do you like or thingk is better*, it will give you a nonsense answer based off data it trawled, It has never listened to a real song, it's not giving you real opinions. Yeah I hate hollywood writer's too, hope they get fricked. But you AI tards are always good for a laugh. Like we all know AI can't hear, it can't see, it can't think. But you guys care about it's opinions. it can't listen to music, it literally cannot hear, but it will still give you a confident response, which music it likes better. Piss off, you tech bros and your dude bro toys are just as bad as the woke hollywood writers. The sad part is you people areincapable of creativity because of brainfog or having no minds eye so you dfon't even see a future where you yourself is the one telling stories or creating art.
>Hehe your jobs in retail, warehouses, factories and manual labour are all gonna be done by robots soon Goy hehehe I’m gonna write a black mirror epi-
>chat Gpt?….writing scripts…No Nooooooo we must end the Ai now somebody think of us writers it’s not gonna be inclusive stop stop it
>CHAT GPT: Whats the deal with Trannies
Is right but it's not a good thing, all the cushy indoor fun jobs will be outsourced to AI while humans are left to do the toil cuck bad jobs that are underpaid and dangerous. The sad part is you brainwashed tards think it's a good thing because your mind is so stacked full of partisan bullshit.
>heh libtards btfo no more humans will have well paid writing creative jobs, they have to toil cuck at a construction job like me!!!!!
Also adding to my post, hollywood writers are little more than stooges for the production company, you think those production companies are going to be using your "anti-woke and based chatgpt scripts" instead of automating their pozz up to 10? lmao.,.... Ai is a tool that can be used in anyway. You're delusional if you think woke hollywood and blackrock aren't pushing wokeness and as soon as those liberal writers are gone you guys are getting "Black person killer 9000" written by chatgpt in the theatres fricking lmao delusional.
>you wrote a computer program that does the job of creative people but you have no creativity
always love this anti-STEM cope because your understanding of creativity is limited to coloring with crayons and stringing pretty words/instruments together
>scripts often get changed and lines improvised after they're written >writers go on strike right when this tech comes out and forces the producers to rely on it >even if the dialogue isn't that good they just need someone to go "no say it like this" during filming >you only need one writer to go over an ai written script and correct a few things instead of hiring 15 people who all suck
Why the hell would they go on strike now of all times
>Why the hell would they go on strike now of all times
It's because the union bosses play golf on the same grass as studio owners.
It's a way to get rid of people without payouts.
People don't realize this, but if studios are short on money, it also means less money for union bosses. Get rid of useless trash, help save costs, keep your profits.
>heh, we're changing up your beloved franchise and there's nothing you can do about it you stupid incels >NOOOOOOOOOOO PLEASE DON'T FIRE ME WHY WON'T YOU GIVE ME SOME SYMPATHY YOU STUPID INCELS
Cowboy Bebop was always trash and the only people who liked it were morons who watched dubs and only had 3 shows total to choose from.
It barely has a plot, it's just lolrandom for 23 episodes then decides to force something at the very end.
It does have some great music.
The movie traced a Bruce Lee fight scene, and it's not even the only anime to trace that exact scene.
Their demands are completely the opposite of what anyone would want. MORE writers per show? Frick right off. Royalties that no other jobs get? No, nobody supports this. Frick every manner of preventing people's right to copy. Preventing technology that allows people to create their own stories? Again, nobody could possibly support this.
when you genuinely feel threatened at the thought of being replaced by AI you probably shouldn't be doing what you call your job in the first place.
Frick all of them.
Contracts haven't been updated and are still based off the outdated system that heavly lean into ticket sales and home release numbers. I know most ppl here have a negative IQ but this is the main issue. Its the same reason actors have been suing studios lately.
I would support the writers if it was people like Tarantino, Mamet, Sorkin and they were fighting against forced diversity and the huge absess of superhero films and remakes. But instead it's people like Adam Ruins Everything wanting to juice more money for doing pisspoor jobs or in most cases nothing at all.
This exactly. Tarantino isn't even WGA. These are mediocre hacks using commie tactics to squeeze more money out of their propaganda slop assembly line.
Yes. I want it have the worst possible outcome for both sides, though.
Fippy Bippy
Any writer of real worth wouldn't be dissuaded by this. They'd move on and find another job, because they can.
The fact of the matter is that most of these people are student council types who have coasted on following all the right rules and procedures to get where they are. I sincerely doubt most of them have actually really struggled to wind up on whatever bullshit Netflix or streaming lite app they've been taking a paycheck in from.
These are not real creatives. They are employees. Creatives make the world, and will always find a place, because they can build it themselves.
If you can't do that, don't go into a creative field.
It's not that simple, you're talking of an era long past.
Writers nowdays are little more than drones on demand with little imput on the show they're writing and no career avenues.
https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2023/05/08/writers-on-set/
which is why everything is shit these days
I think this is a fair point, and those rooms should be abolished, or at least not used so liberally.
There's also something in there, however, that Martin himself said---he had written a bunch of stuff, for like a decade, before becoming a television writer.
How many of these current writers are actually working on their own projects, actively? Or have written a substantial body of work before they get a job on a show? I know that they're "new," but even a new writer should have a good body of work to demonstrate. It doesn't even have to be official or published---it just has to be good. At this point, there's almost no excuse to not be at least self-published. Regardless of the connotation, even that at least shows that you enjoy the craft.
Maybe getting rid of the mini-rooms will narrow this bottleneck and introduce quality control again, however minimal it may be. It's just exhausting seeing such uncreative types get to major levels in what is ultimately an industry centered around storytelling. I know that's the sort of irony of Hollywood, but it doesn't mean that it can't change just a little.
This
Also, they have had literally more than 10 years to get ahead of the streaming situation and ask for changes. Every employer wants to and does pay their employees the least amount of money they can. What makes writers any different from any other worker? Additionally, sometimes the world changes and moves on. For example, railroad workers are not paid or treated the same they were in early part of the 20th century. I think the streaming situation is a similar shift in the entertainment industry. The argument that they are "not paid a living wage" weakens their argument. "Living wage" is way too nebulous of a thing to use as any kind of bargaining point
>revolutionary leftism
I am neutral.
Writers aren't all bad and the big wigs meaning pro-writers and producers kept their job and have just gonna be even more influence now.
They are still pro poz..
Corpos and directors are uber pro poz.
Fledging writers are gonna be obliterated, regardless of poz.
I support the strike. I don't support the companies giving into the demands. Let these companies lose trillions in profits and let all these people get fired and go homeless and die.
It seems like the world has mostly forgotten about these guys.
Writers suck, but I hate the Hollyisraelite more.
It's literally israelite studios versus israelite writers, moron. There are no 'good guys' in any of this.
>Verification not required.
I literally don't care if Hollywood ends. Let it sink under the weight of its current mediocrity.
Yes, I support the hack writers doing the civilised world a favour by going on strike forever. lol
Yes. I support those woke activists being in the streets striking instead of getting a job
I really hate how many layers deep we are in the simulacra that a professional writer was inspired by a youtuber
she seems like a sweet and soft spoken person, liberalism is a brain disease.
without politics, 100 years ago, im sure she would be a lovely person
Dude if I went to a restaurant where the staff treated me like shit, openingly mocked me and gave me garbage food, I would totally celebrate them going out of business and in fact have done so
Exactly, we are the consumers, we owe them nothing it's the other way around. If you Produce an inferior product that people don't want you don't get to attack people for not wanting something. It's why these people are always authoritarians politically, they think their better than everyone else and should be able to just tell their "lessers" what they should and shouldn't like.
If you have an agent, you're not an oppressed worker
I support the current crop of writers losing their jobs and the studios losing lot of money.
https://www.takimag.com/article/writers-gulled/
they'll just print more. no one cares anymore.
Hollywood has thousands of scripts that they bought and threw into a vault. This strike can lsst forever, doesn't matter now because zoomers and gen alpha don't care for scripted TV shows.
>eco-anarchism
She don't like plants?
>Hehe your jobs in retail, warehouses, factories and manual labour are all gonna be done by robots soon Goy hehehe I’m gonna write a black mirror epi-
>chat Gpt?….writing scripts…No Nooooooo we must end the Ai now somebody think of us writers it’s not gonna be inclusive stop stop it
>CHAT GPT: Whats the deal with Trannies
This, Ai has an unironic unbiased view on the world and that scares them to a great degree
AI can't have bias because it doesn't think. When you ask the AI *what song do you like or thingk is better*, it will give you a nonsense answer based off data it trawled, It has never listened to a real song, it's not giving you real opinions. Yeah I hate hollywood writer's too, hope they get fricked. But you AI tards are always good for a laugh. Like we all know AI can't hear, it can't see, it can't think. But you guys care about it's opinions. it can't listen to music, it literally cannot hear, but it will still give you a confident response, which music it likes better. Piss off, you tech bros and your dude bro toys are just as bad as the woke hollywood writers. The sad part is you people areincapable of creativity because of brainfog or having no minds eye so you dfon't even see a future where you yourself is the one telling stories or creating art.
Is right but it's not a good thing, all the cushy indoor fun jobs will be outsourced to AI while humans are left to do the toil cuck bad jobs that are underpaid and dangerous. The sad part is you brainwashed tards think it's a good thing because your mind is so stacked full of partisan bullshit.
>heh libtards btfo no more humans will have well paid writing creative jobs, they have to toil cuck at a construction job like me!!!!!
crab in the bucket.
Also adding to my post, hollywood writers are little more than stooges for the production company, you think those production companies are going to be using your "anti-woke and based chatgpt scripts" instead of automating their pozz up to 10? lmao.,.... Ai is a tool that can be used in anyway. You're delusional if you think woke hollywood and blackrock aren't pushing wokeness and as soon as those liberal writers are gone you guys are getting "Black person killer 9000" written by chatgpt in the theatres fricking lmao delusional.
>you wrote a computer program that does the job of creative people but you have no creativity
always love this anti-STEM cope because your understanding of creativity is limited to coloring with crayons and stringing pretty words/instruments together
>all the cushy indoor fun jobs will be outsourced to AI
Good, I want you to burn in a sun.
Civilization is fundamentally unsustainable, moron. The only thing to enjoy on the way down is morons getting owned.
It's amazing how opinionated some people are over things they have no understanding of.
Good morning sir
I hope they all drown in floods from the melting snow dumps
This b***h hasn't written anything since Cowboy Bebop and has nothing to do with the writer's strike; To strike you need a job to strike from.
I support a drone strike on writers if that counts.
>scripts often get changed and lines improvised after they're written
>writers go on strike right when this tech comes out and forces the producers to rely on it
>even if the dialogue isn't that good they just need someone to go "no say it like this" during filming
>you only need one writer to go over an ai written script and correct a few things instead of hiring 15 people who all suck
Why the hell would they go on strike now of all times
>Why the hell would they go on strike now of all times
It's because the union bosses play golf on the same grass as studio owners.
It's a way to get rid of people without payouts.
People don't realize this, but if studios are short on money, it also means less money for union bosses. Get rid of useless trash, help save costs, keep your profits.
Unions and worker strikes are inherently fascist so we need to give them full support.
>heh, we're changing up your beloved franchise and there's nothing you can do about it you stupid incels
>NOOOOOOOOOOO PLEASE DON'T FIRE ME WHY WON'T YOU GIVE ME SOME SYMPATHY YOU STUPID INCELS
Is she one who wrote the scene where not-Fay extends her hand to a tree hole covered in cum?
Tell me why I should care? TV shows are trash nowadays.
Haven't the writers been on strike for like 20 years? Why else would we have nothing but garbage and reboots?
Cowboy Bebop was always trash and the only people who liked it were morons who watched dubs and only had 3 shows total to choose from.
It barely has a plot, it's just lolrandom for 23 episodes then decides to force something at the very end.
It does have some great music.
The movie traced a Bruce Lee fight scene, and it's not even the only anime to trace that exact scene.
I'm trans btw
I still can't believe they looked at Gren and said "yeah he's a trans icon" I hate trannies and their enablers so much it's fricking unreal
for me, IF you do a better job than large language model, you should get equal pay (nearly free)
Yes, I hope the strike never ends or at the very least until Hollywood has multiple scripts written bt ChatGPT to replace them.
Their demands are completely the opposite of what anyone would want. MORE writers per show? Frick right off. Royalties that no other jobs get? No, nobody supports this. Frick every manner of preventing people's right to copy. Preventing technology that allows people to create their own stories? Again, nobody could possibly support this.
Current Hollywood is so creatively bankrupt they should fire 90% of people and start over again
when you genuinely feel threatened at the thought of being replaced by AI you probably shouldn't be doing what you call your job in the first place.
Frick all of them.
Contracts haven't been updated and are still based off the outdated system that heavly lean into ticket sales and home release numbers. I know most ppl here have a negative IQ but this is the main issue. Its the same reason actors have been suing studios lately.
hope it never ends God bless
I would support the writers if it was people like Tarantino, Mamet, Sorkin and they were fighting against forced diversity and the huge absess of superhero films and remakes. But instead it's people like Adam Ruins Everything wanting to juice more money for doing pisspoor jobs or in most cases nothing at all.
This exactly. Tarantino isn't even WGA. These are mediocre hacks using commie tactics to squeeze more money out of their propaganda slop assembly line.