do you think it's fair for VA to voice character that match their ethnicity or skin color exclusively? isn't it racist considering you are basically oppressing minorities as they might have the perfect voice for a character but you are denying them that chance because race
Turns out the sword had TWO edges lol.
The sword was only ever meant to cut in a way that got black actors more work. Asians were never considered.
Honestly there were SOME people going "only black VAs for black characters" but even then that was a minority. Black VAs voicing nonblack characters was far more common than the other way around, you only got the latter when the black character was thoroughly background and they went "frick it, someone in the studio already can do it."
This whole nonsense is 99.99% because of Apu. It really is that simple. Nobody gave a frick about this until Hari Kondabolu went around going "a white guy doing an imitation of an Indian man is racist." He ruined this for the entire VA industry.
and then Adi Shankar put the final nail in the coffin ruining every project he gets involved with his gayness
The Simpsons ep with Marge as a censor remains hugely relevant. Yes one person can make a difference! By ruining things for everyone.
and then when it involves something she cares now she backs out
Poopjeets not thanking their lucky stars anyone wants to put one of them in a show in the first place.
nah Raza Jaffrey eating good
stop spamming this parasite, you can make your point with that picture you autistic butthole
without'
>Whatever you do, don't post a picture of the thing you're talking about
Damn, those are some easily rustled jimmies.
Seeing that fricker's face is infuriating tho
he created captain laserhawk
where rayman is a corporate puppet who turns into dylan kebold and sam fischer is a cripple
>Nobody gave a frick about this until Hari Kondabolu went around going "a white guy doing an imitation of an Indian man is racist." He ruined this for the entire VA industry.
Nobody even gave a frick about that outside journos, you watch Max G's video on how stupid the documentary is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F68l9FozxJ8 and you see proudly liberal people like saberspark in the comments agree with him.
Really, it was the [unnamed event] riots of 2020 that made pretty much every major company paranoid as shit about even the slightest backlash. That was the thing that caused the major media companies to recast black characters.
When this documentary dropped, The simpsons just made a snide comment about how stupid the controversy was and dropped Apu entirely. When [unnamed event] happened, FOX went nuclear and recast every single black cartoon character on the show. They pulled a frickin' Golden Girls episode cause they were wearing mud masks and were worried that people would mistake it for blackface, THAT'S how paranoid companies were (and still are).
>Really, it was the [unnamed event] riots of 2020 that made pretty much every major company paranoid as shit about even the slightest backlash. That was the thing that caused the major media companies to recast black characters.
Not him but I assume that were it not for Hari Kondabloobloo's comments, companies wouldn't have recast black characters.
>black guy dies
>black people demand police reform
>black people demand police reform so hard they level several cities
>all that came out of it was black cartoon characters are recast and they take the mascot off of some syrup bottles
its really something how fricking stupid that whole situation was in hindsight
What's even dumber was when it turned out the black guy in question died of an overdose and an innocent man went to jail for premeditated murder, non premeditated murder, and manslaughter all at once.
to be fair, he handled the situation fricking horribly. Like it's the kind of shit you'd see a rookie officer do instead of a guy who's had years of experience dealing with junkies yet he and the other officers had no idea how to handle it and acting like morons
I have family who are officers and even they made fun of him and said at most he should've been fired for negligence
>it turned out [my headcanon]
sure
maybe you should write to the DA about it since that would be grounds for immediate quashing of the verdict
>hurr no exceptions are allowed in normal english statements even though you specifically listed an exception yourself
your concession is accepted and you will get no further replies on the grounds that you're a stupid autistic homosexual
>Floyd's SPO2 levels were 98 upon death
>The level of Fetynal in Floyd's system was 4 times to lethal dose
>Floyd's trachea and muscle neck fibers showed no visible damage upon autopsy
>Floyd only lost consciousness on his way to the hospital in an ambulance
>Floyd was incoherent and obviously under the influence of drugs
>Floyd was communicating the entirety of his pinning proving he had complete airflow to his lungs
>One of the Jury Members was a literal member of BLM
Thanks for telling me you didn't watch the trial without telling me you didn't watch the trial.
No one's stopping you taking this obviously exonerating evidence you've discovered to the authorities. Why don't you go do that insteaad of screeching about it in a comics and cartoons thread.
Hari's nonsense was what created the whole "VAs need to be the right race" meme. When the megacorps were looking for ways to wave "WE'RE NOT RACIST!" flags they followed his suggestion because it was an easy way to act like they were "listening." It was widely mocked across to political spectrum for being blatant corpo nonsense, trying to look good by doing something nobody was really asking for.
>It was widely mocked across to political spectrum for being blatant corpo nonsense
That's not true, lefties agree with him.
If you think lefty-twitter was applauding "We re-cast Carl on The Simpsons" you've spent too much time on Cinemaphile. That's not to say there was NOBODY saying "yasss, we win," there's always a loon, but there were no significant campaigns beforehand aside from that Apu nonsense. People had other priorities, megacorps just wanted backpats for doing easy shit.
Nah, it was the peaceful protests. That's when you started getting true insanity like a israeli woman dropping out of Big Mouth because she voiced a half-black israeli girl for a fully black, non-israeli actress. Don't ask me how that works out better for representation.
Brian George could take over as Apu. He's at least part Indian and has done similar voices before. The only problem would be since he doesn't live in the US they probably couldn't get a hold of him very often and would need to read lines over the phone.
> that got black actors more work
I fricking hate clown world so much. People will bend over most untalented dindus for their company and will be picky over the rest.
>People will bend over most untalented dindus for their company and will be picky over the rest.
I just wish I knew where all these do-nothing, high-money jobs are listed. I'd say I'm a black guy of at least white-average work ethic, but damned if I can't find some 200k/yr HR "Recruiting" gig for big tech or something. I'm just stuck codemonkeying (pun only slightly intended)
Did I ask?
>He didn't ask
See, that's white-low work ethic right there.
As hominem
>chimping out
Like clockwork
>Projecting
Like clockwork.
it's called LinkedIn Black person
Stealing code from GitHub isn’t work Jamal.
>I'd say I'm a black guy
first mistake. those jobs only go to women.
This.
the glass ceiling is real, or it was a few years back anyway, but what those old white men at the top see when they look down is nothing but women. If you're not a woman, and you're not already at the top, you're never getting anywhere in business, medicine, academia, any office work...
pretty sure there are non-profits out there willing to help. just do your own research
The real money is claiming to be a troony
They aren’t. It’s all nepotism and friend of a friend bullshit. That’s why you seem the same voice actor in 300 different roles and average Jo voice guy can barely get a single one and in most cases it’s some background character or extra in a single scene.
>People will bend over most untalented dindus
I'm glad we agree that failing upward is common for white people (who are the biggest dindus in history).
Shalom
it mostly feels like it's gotten kevin michael richardson and phil lamarr more work
The former, maybe, but Phil Lamar has as much work if not more than Tom Kenny. The dude is an industry power house already. If anything, this change can only reduce his opportunities, but he'll still have more than he can handle because he's Phil fricking Lamar.
The problem has always been that white actors get all the white roles and a bunch of the minority roles too.
Phil has always been an exception and has long predated the push to preference minorities for minority roles.
News to me that Darth Vader and Kratos have always been played by white men.
>The sword was only ever meant to cut in a way that got black actors more work
ironically they didn't get more work lol
This is a bait post, but I implore you to look up the definition of underrepresented and marginalization. I know you know what they mean, but just to hammer it in some more until you stop breathing out shit.
>This is a bait post
Not him but it's not necessarily a bait post.
>underrepresented and marginalization
Good VA's get jobs bad ones don't.
>This is a bait post
>Anon says, throwing out the fishing line to get a few more (you)'s for the day
So Chinamen should always be passed over for White actors, since there are fewer Whites than Chinamen. Gotcha.
>fewer Whites
Where? We're talking about burgerland, anon.
There are three billion Asians on earth from a multitude of countries that have thriving film industries, both live action and animated. Why should I give a frick about an uppity minority in my country, that is traditionally lord SUCCESSFUL in my country, that has openly sided against the majority every time it came to discussing race. Asians aren’t marginalized by whites nearly as much as they are by other Asians. Reap what you sow bro
>Asians aren’t marginalized by whites nearly as much as they are by other Asians.
Anon I want you to look up what marginalized means. Actually look it up, don't say you did because I'll know.
>Reap what you sow bro
I haven't done shit.
Huh so that's what it means
>We don't hate the principal of racism, what we want is a blood libel until everyone has faced equal amounts of racism
I misused blood libel here that's not what I thought it meant
>underrepresented and marginalization
especially when it comes to making their own shit.
Real, like what's with cartoon pilots created by marginalized people not getting picked up? I guess there's Amphibia and that's pure kino. The Owl House, maybe but the creator is a white woman which isn't uncommon
im sure prozd was one of many who were all for matching VA with character's ethnicity
Watch the libs shit their pants about this and remain fine with the inverse
I don't think it matters but if we're going to have it apply to one race then you need to have it apply to everyone.
Anime is where this gets stupid. Non-japanese characters are a minority. Even dark skinned characters are usually japanese and if they aren't they're usually indians. There black and white foreigners in anime, but most are a minority.
It's gonna be hard to genetically engineer VAs for the isekai catgirls
It was a stupid thing to enforce in the first place and now it's just going to mean less work for all the precious minorities anyways, if they do actually enforce it both ways, which they won't, because double standards are the only standards they have.
they are always playing double standards. no one complained Kratos beung voiced by a black man but Carl from the Simpsons had to be replaced with a VA with matching skin color
I thought this said Krabs at first and I was thinking "holy shit Mr. Krabs was voiced by a black man this entire time???"
we wuz krabs and shit
Surprised to see them enforce it both ways.
it isn't. If leftists thought with consistant clear principles beyond mindless emotions like envy, and those who'd rather be apolitical stuck to principals instead of letting slippery slope prove it'self not a falict, everything would be fine. but we dont live in that world
From what I have seen he seemed more neutral on the whole thing than most.
neutrality is tantamount to being complicit. if he had picked the right side, then maybe things would've turned out differently and he'd be getting more work. by staying silent, he's now pigeonholed into only ever voicing asians.
>If only he mindlessly agreed with me, I would have virtue signaled on a Mongolian forum
God forbid an incel be forced to consider all sides of an arguement
>being a melodramatic homosexual over someone not picking your side
b***h you'd still be thinking that if they picked the side that wasn't yours
whoever wrote that quote was just butthurt they couldn't win an argument
>>If only he mindlessly agreed with me,
towing the line with all the other morons who think we needed Affirmative Action in the voice acting industry requires mindless agreement. if he had used his brain, he would've seen the writing on the wall.
>hurrrr you have to agree with my racist tantrum
meds
Fair is fair.
I’m happy they replaced the Dr. Hubert and Carl, quite fitting.
The whole "voice actor's ethnicity must match with this fictional character's" thing was always going to be a superficial token gesture that avoids the underlying issue at best. It's in the same category of shallow corporate pr distractions as cutting out "problematic" material in response to work environment complaints.
It's also fricking moronic, voice acting has the unique ability to let people voice whatever they want since it's a fricking cartoon
Well whatever. If only whites can play whites these frickers reaped what they sowed by taking the magic out of voice acting and cartoons and making something that once transcended race into pidgeon holes.
>voice acting has the unique ability to let people voice whatever they want since it's a fricking cartoon
Yes, in theory, but you can also just end up doing racist caricatures when you have a white guy pretend he knows how to do a specific accent.
It's a cartoon, it is a caricature by definition. Samurai Jack's VA is black but no one cares cause he's good at what he does
That just sounds like an issue with casting, writing and voice direction. People go to stereotypes because they're quick and easy, if an accent is important to a character either spend the time to make sure whoever you're getting can do it right regardless of their origin or just do what countless other productions have done and accept that you aren't going to get the accent and don't try. Things were different in the past when there wasn't as much focus on this stuff, but these days stereotypes and racist caricatures are ultimately just a product of half-assing your voice work.
Limiting it to only people of the same race as the character feels needlessly restrictive.
>Yeah, I voice act
>I play anime voice #957,803
>and uh
>I can sort of do a guy imitating an old lady
CONSTRUCTION SITE
NOW
>yeah im the guy who does the anime voice, never heard of me? no, not that guy, im the other anime voice guy
he was pretty good in Blackberry
Read it as Brickleberry.
How about... showrunners include more diverse characters or even casting-neutral characters like what live action TV does
Or better yet, make your own shit. Stop relying on others to make something you want. Forcing their hand is just going to make things worse.
>Or better yet, make your own shit.
that's literally what showrunners do if they're not making adaptations
Not even. Al lithely want are fricking handouts.
well no, because then they'll complain the skin is not brown enough
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting
Cinemaphile is just Cinemaphile 2.0, it just needs to tenfold the amount of gay furry porn threads to be on par with Cinemaphile
westoid having a race crisis every trucking week, it serves well for their crimes agaisn't nature
So if we ever get anything new with Samurai Jack again, they'll replace Phil Lamarr, right? I mean. Fair is fair, right?
he literally said it's about whose ancestors have had the hardest time. Asians will never catch up to black people, we never even enslaved them. Hard railroad work, unfair discrimination (mainly based on their businesses being so good we couldn't compete), and that one brief foray into internment camps, that's it.
I forget the quote, there's something about... we've turned this into a race to the bottom to be the biggest victims
Chinese railroad workers were murdered in droves, and we lynched Mexicans in that same state for existing while keeping them wage slaves in the fields. The reason that's all see as nbd is because those people don't complain as much. You see fresh of the boat folks in California owning a business and sending their kids to college with no work visa when the black people that migrated to this state from the south in the 40s still can't get it together
Voice acting should be done by anyone who is good at voice acting regardless of race or gender or whatever other identity politics bullshit. Look at Megan Fox in the mortal kombat game that just played out. Complete and utter trash it should have been played by a voice actor not a movie actress. All this SJW shit is stupid and gatekeepy for no reason.
>gatekeepy for no reason
>t. sweet summer child
There's reasons for this dood...stop being blind.
>Minority being told they're not allowed to voice a white character
Yeah that didn't happen, and if it had it'd be fricking hilarious.
I assume this happened very recently
in other words if only asian people can voice asian people, we sure as FRICK aren't going to waste the, like, .4% of actors on any non-asian roles.
There is absolutely a less than zero percent chance that an Asian person was told they could not read for roles because they are white characters. They'd just let the fricker read for whatever than cast them as the ching chong because that's what they wanted them for but there's no way they would admit outright to only wanting to let them read for the Asian character. Look at literally any voice acting casting call that's been released in the last few years, 100% of them list specific ethnicity requirements for any non-white character and "any race/ethnicity" if the character is white. Every single one.
This did not happen, the Twitter gay is lying. End of story.
Life is a question of what-ifs. Typecasting has been a thing since the microphone.
Actually was a little disappointed to learn that Kiff was Japanese or something. I have no idea why, but she kills it so much as that orange squirrel that it was almost a letdown to see it was a human.
That stupid story is a roundabout way of saying the VA talent matters much more than your moronic Black person honky chink soft racism about even bringing it up in the first place. Just give me this funny squirrel, we'll worry about the rest hopefully never.
huh?
I saw Kiff Chatterly at a grocery store in Tabletwon yesterday. I told her how cool it was to meet her in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother her and ask him for photos or anything. She said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but she kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? SQUIRREL ATTACK?” and closing her hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard her chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw her trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen free samples in her hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Ma'am, you need to pay for those first.” At first she kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the how many nuts it cost, she kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
He's saying that vocal range and ability should be the metric for voice acting rather than what kind of mutt you are. Or should we get lizards to voice act dragons?
> Or should we get lizards to voice act dragons?
ironically yes, but only if it is a komodo dragon
no reasonable person has ever cared. this is the exact kind of no -problem that gets solved by incompetent middle management types who shouldn’t be in charge of anything
It's malicious compliance with what was originally a push to get producers to stop casting literally only white people ever even for Mildly Offensive Racial Stereotype That Could Benefit From Someone With The Actual Accent. It was meant to open doors to POC actors, limiting them is the exact opposite of the intent (but the predictable form of backlash since Hollywood types hate having their bigotry exposed).
Nah, if you're going to try and say only X people can voice X race then you stand by that. That's not malicious compliance that's just being philisophically consistent(And also moronic but a bit less moronic than "well ashkkully we really just want less white people teehee")
The problem is using the language of equality to get your foot in the door when what you're really looking for it equity. You can't really expect everyone to be implicitly keyed into your underlying motive.
There's no way anyone is ignorant of the motive here. I'm just flabbergasted that they actually applied the dubious standard to white characters.
And there is merit to the original idea. The Drawn Together creators didn't want to cast a guy doing a stereotypical flamboyant gay voice for their stereotypical gay character-- they wanted an actual gay man who genuinely spoke very flamboyantly. And the character's comedic delivery was ten times funnier and better for it. When the actor delivers funny lines, he only has to focus on the comedic timing rather than focusing on doing an accent first and comedic performance second.
Characters like Bugs Bunny, Stewie Griffin, Kahn Souphanousinphone or Apu benefit from having really talented voice actors so they still have great comedic timing even while doing an accent. Lots of other casting choices? Not so much. Raimundo from Xiaolin Showdown? Tom Kenny does a pretty good job, but I can absolutely see a way better casting with an actual Brazilian actor with an accent. Same thing with Raj in Camp Lazlo. Vamrbe from Mighty Magiswords, frankly, sounds fricking awful and it would've been better if they just casted a British woman instead of casting an American to do a bland accent.
It's similar to how the Hey Arnold cast is so memorable because they're voiced by actual children. That doesn't mean all kid roles should only go to kids, cartoons like Gravity Falls prove you don't need to do that to bring the characters to life. But it CAN definitely push your character to another level if you're struggling to get the most out of them.
This guy gets it.
You misunderstand. The goal wasn't, "Everyone should be voiced by someone of their same race." It was, "Stop defaulting to white people to play people of color." There's always wiggle room, but the entertainment industry has a history of some pretty indefensible casting decisions that generally had black workers getting fricked over. These days, it's most often Asians, and the aim is to get them up in arms and forgetting that the free-for-all that we came from, where producers didn't have to check their biases, is the one that generated Breakfast at Tiffany's and Shaolin Showdown.
>That's not malicious compliance that's just being philisophically (sic) consistent
The two aren't mutually exclusive and are both at play here. (Though the consistent notion is, "Throw Asians under the bus to turn them against policy that primarily white people are butthurt about.")
Frick off.
Oy vey!
>The goal wasn't, "Everyone should be voiced by someone of their same race." It was, "Stop defaulting to white people to play people of color."
I feel like you're rewriting history. What you said might have been the unspoken subtext of voice acting casting, but the statement was not "Stop casting white people" originally, it was :"Black people should play black roles, latinx should play latinx", etc.
Also, the entertainment industry has a nepotism problem which merely manifests as a race problem. You don't hear people rallying to make sure Nolan North gets every role in exisfence
Oh so you meant every role EXCEPT for white characters... Oh so that's what you meant... I gotcha... My bad...
Yeah no frick off. Either read the lines or get out of here, Asian Character Actor. This is what you wanted.
Wait does this mean a show with no black people in it can't hire blacks? Based.
YAY more lackadaisy drama
Alyson Court weighs in with her opinion as Prozd deletes his post.
>scroll down her tl
>it's all libshit indistinguishable from what ProzD believes.
Fricking dogbrains, all of them.
>How to lure in /misc/tards: the thread
rent free
>only /misc/ likes to laugh at vas
You're putting /misc/ over when you post like this you blithering idiot.
Don't deny there is a /misc/ infestation here. I hate this over-correcting "give black people stuff for free" bullshit as much as anyone, but these frickers are plain as day.
Just so you know, I frequent other boards and this is the most leftist one I know. I thought Cinemaphilemblr was a meme at first but people really say shit that would get you flamed anywhere else. I'm sure /soc/ and /lgbt/ and whatever have it worse. But compared to /tg/ or Cinemaphile or of course fricking Cinemaphile this board is quite left, probably because actual right-wingers don't watch cartoons anymore since the industry hates their guts.
It's actually quite alright by comparison
>leftist
>right-winger
The only direction that I, as much as every troll this board albeit the entire internet where you smartasses also reside with your plebbit-tier vocabulary, am truly keen on following is down under. That is where my body goes as much as every being will eventually go. Politics never has and never will immortalize for shit. The idea though will still linger just as much as me taking a major dump on you and your posse's belief that politics is building block of life. Case in point:
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I've visited /lgbt/ a few times and it absolutely has the opposite problem of the rest of the site.
Most boards here are just right-wing echo chambers with /misc/ being ground zero. Cinemaphile is the least of the evils where at least the even split prevents it from becoming an echo chamber of one side.
>Cinemaphile is the least of the evils where at least the even split prevents it from becoming an echo chamber of one side.
Kinda surprising, considering Cinemaphile might be the biggest victim of globohomosexual wokery so far.
>but these frickers are plain as day.
You're jumping at shadows you schizo. Stop using "/pol/" to mean "people who are politically right of center" please
>/misc/ infestation
This is one of the most lefty boards here, its not "/co/mblr" as people like to think but its still pretty lefty, the frick are you on about
This board still has constant whining about anyone who isn’t a straight cis white male
Which is merely a reaction to every cartoon doing the opposite
>but its still pretty lefty
Cinemaphile used to be a lot more "lefty" than you think. Still edgy but not nearly as right wing as it has been this past past decade. Source: I've been here since 2009
Why is it bad to talk about industry influencers and their influence on the medium because they just so happen to be political too? I'll never understand this
They want to you to stay silent and consoom the propaganda.
Fricking this. I tune those posts out when I realise they just want you to shut up and consume. They can be as /misc/ as you want but you as a watcher can only consume.
Pretty sure Keith David and Phil LaMarr voiced a couple of white dudes once.
No idea who this gay is though.
Lamarr made it clear he doesn't think it applies to him and he can voice what he wants.
Honestly, ProZD deleting the thread was cowardly, and he doubled down on the cowardice by blocking random people who QT'd him, even if they agreed with him.
We wouldn’t have Uncle Phil as Shredder or Samurai Jack if they went by that.
Wendee Lee temporarily lost the role of Yoruichi in Bleach two weeks ago because the character's presumed to be black and she isn't. They replaced her with a black actress. Enough fans complained that they reversed the decision. There were more voice actors crying on Twitter over her single-episode replacement getting ditched than the woman who had been playing the character since 2006. Her temporary replacement already had multiple non-black roles characters in the show.
You reap what you sow.
What bothers me is black actors get to voice non-black characters like Samurai Jack and the maid from Central Park but not the other way round.
Aladdin and Kuzco are still voiced by white guys in Once Upon a Studio.
The whole idea behind it being something you should do is that it helps get minorities casted more often when otherwise they might casually cast white actors or whatever that they're more comfortable with. From that perspective I can understand it.
From an acting perspective it's a stupid idea. Voices aren't racial. Honestly, even blackface is chiefly a taboo because of social contexts surrounding historical racism. Ideally anyone should be able to act as anyone if it works.
Diversity hires is a mistake and everything should be by merit or skill level. Good Voice actors come from all ethnic backgrounds and people shouldn’t just hire someone who’s Asian to play an Asian (example) if they are trash when there’s a white guy who could do better
>everything should be by merit or skill level
Agreed, but thats not how people work. Diveristy hires isn't the right solution, but the problem it exists to combat isn't fake or meaningless. There have been multiple studies, decades apart, where they submitted a bunch of resumes to different jobs that were literally identical in everything but the name. "white' names would get a call back at absurdly higher rates than identical resumes with what were perceived as 'ethnic' names, be it chinese or african or indian. Just having a name that implied you were not white was enough to mean you didn't get the interview, while the John Smiths and Richard Banks sounding resumes would get the calls instead.
Diversity hires are necessary but the way you view them is wrong.
Diversity hires are to give a group with no representation something to look up for and a way to expand their influence plus it makes sure people as a whole will not see a job as something for a race or group only, even if there wans't race bias they would be still necessary because they were not created to stop them, the only way to stop this kind of bias is through both showing those studies to the public and through groups such as unions.
Oh you mean those studies with sample sizes of like 100 people each that sociologists love to use to "prove" systemic racism?
God I fricking love extrapolating large cultural trends from the actions of a small group of people, especially when they're predicated on such solid foundations such as "these names sound ethnic".
I dont even think that the conclusions are necessarily untrue, but God I fricking hate people using these extremely biased studies as proof of whatever they want.
>God I fricking love extrapolating large cultural trends from the actions of a small group of people
That's like half of Cinemaphile with their "Do Americans Really?" meme that prevalent across most of these boards.
>Ideally anyone should be able to act as anyone if it works.
Yeah but in reality people are more often than not controlled by their biases or at the very least they’re not conscious about them so you need structures in place to actually ensure you aren’t just discriminating because you can’t be open minded about casting decisions.
Like how Pat Morito almost always got cast specifically as a wise Japanese guy. But then you see him just play a random sheriff in a horror movie and he’s great in it and it opens your eyes about how you were very blind to the fact people easily get pigeonholed to play a specific kind of stereotype/stock character. And sure, if you’re okay with that and get steady work that way, whatever. But when it comes to minorities it way too often means denying them even the opportunity to get better parts and instead offering only minor and narrowly defined stereotype roles no matter their skill and popularity with audiences.
While that is a good example you give anon I would chalk that up less to race specifically and more "he was the most memorable character in one of the most famous movies ever made and others want to capitalize on that", a common case with a lot of typecasting racial or not. Though I think the racial element does play into it slightly
Type casting is an issue of marketing algorithms and people's love of the familiar more than racism. It's why so many comedic actors fail to do dramas and vice versa
I'm in the indie scene and will be casting voice actors soon. I do not care if the voice actor matches the race of the characters but I know half of the people who follow me will throw a fit. It's going to be awful. It's not even the first time it's happened.
Oh look, it's the thing I keep saying never mattered still mattering for no good reason.
I keep telling them. I keep fricking telling them your race doesn't matter. Even fricking stage plays don't care about your race when it comes to acting roles. Utterly moronic.
Thissssssssss
I remember thinking how stupid it was that Hamilton was being played by a black guy but then it hit me…. Who cares?? All this sjw shit is ruining everything
Frick 'em all. Why care? It's not like anything good is going to be made again. Just shows that should have been cancelled ages ago, awful reboots, and garbage with awful art and ironic humor
>Why care? It's not like anything good is going to be made again.
You're right about that latter part, but it's important to care because the more normal this idea of hiring incompetents because they tick boxes on a list is, the more it'll show up elsewhere in life in ways that have negative impact on you and others.
What if they need characters like Aladdin back in Kingdom Hearts IV? Are they going to recast them?
>only people of a certain race are allowed, if you're the wrong color we don't want you
Amerimutts are fricking dumb as hell. The funny thing is that they will never go back to "normal"
Rent free.
He is an American voice actor and the dubbing company is American.
I'm sure your euroshitter industry is doing so much better
If you don’t have a problem with this or any black person playing a real life historical figure who was white you cannot be upset at white voice actors playing POC
It's so stupid. In homogenous countries all characters are voiced by the same race. For example, my country.
I don't watch much western media so this is all moronic to me.
Could not imagine why the race of the VA would matter at all so long as they have the voice you want for a specific character.
See
It just takes one whingy nobody to turn something into a pseudo-issue, and then when our megacorp overlords need to pretend they're Socially Conscious, they're flip through their pseudo-issue rolodex and go "aha, here's something we can appease people with!" (and it will appease nobody except maybe that moron that started the mess)
Those leftoid morons kicked and screamed when someone voiced a character that was a different race from the actor.
You get what you fricking deserve. I hope the strike lasts forever and Hollywood rots.
>do you think it's fair for VA to voice character that match their ethnicity or skin color exclusively?
Yes because it'll put so many anime VAs out of jobs.
So being Korean means you can voice any "Asian"? How specific are we getting here? Can a white guy voice a half white character?
Can an African-American voice an Ancient Egyptian character?
Bull fricking shit.
Trying to voice a white character? Get to the break'n barn, boy.
>be amerimutt
>forces woke trash and commie bullshit like CRT on everything to be "free"
>gets severe commie restrictions/regulations/rules nobody can subvert anymore
lol
>do you think it's fair for VA to voice character that match their ethnicity or skin color exclusively?
no, because you can't sound like a race. At some point, you just end up stereotyping.
Hey remember when they got a literal who Asian Youtuber to voice a character whose entire backstory revolves around being a black man raised by rednecks?
I mean the argument for it reasons that more people that are minorities should be hired to play many roles, especially the roles with a ethnic characters then a white person doing a silly accent. And if they're good then the voice diversity would be decent change then the 5 mainstream same woman or guy.
Isn't this what they wanted? They get mad these days if blacks try and voice non-black characters. They all wanted to voice specifically to represent their race or culture and this is what they got.
>Lefties when white people can't voice characters of color
Yes, frick whitey! More jobs for minorities!
>Lefties when minorities can't voice white characters
Nooooo, it's just a voice, why are you upset!
That's what you get for b***hing about white people voicing colored characters, you real-life bobblehead.
Imagine getting mad over what race voices a fricking moving drawing. Like for fricks sake use that energy to do something useful. Like picking up trash on the highway. Its a cartoon. If I wanna voice an Eskimo Mexican then I will. Its a fricking cartoon who gives a shit what the race of a voice actor is. Hire the person best for the job. Tired of this race shit.
No one would be arguing about this social project shit if we just dropped the emotional and justice message and just aknowledged that investing on black people to be more productive is good for everybody in the US including whites.
Like how 2 billion blacks will be unable to buy Microsoft, Apple and Google products, exporting technology is currently half of the west revenue and only increasing so investing on Africa to be able to work and pay for those companies is good for the west, no shame, no guilt no pressure just pragmatism and shared interest. We don't live in a natural resource based economy anymore, slavery and stealing oil is no longer the most productive way to make money, selling technology and services is.
Frick eskimos in particular, I guess. Even gypsies are probably easier to get.
When's the last time we had a snoweater on a show anyways?
Probably a joke in Fairly Odd Parents or something?
>Oh no! All that time saying Apu was racist now means I'm only going to be type casted as my ethnicity! This isn't fair!
Make your own beds and you don't get refunds for them you fricking signallers.
When did he say that?
Don't try to deflect homosexual. this is what happened. The second people cried about that shit and the industry listened this was going to happen.
I love whenever this topic comes up, a bunch of people arguing in bad faith try to make a point about black people voicing non-black characters and they can only ever name Samurai Jack as an example.
>arguing in bad faith
I'm not. I have a speech impediment and I love the idea of voice acting, the fact that some chubby fat guy can sound like a chad or some scrawny girl can sound like an ara ara MILF.
So what if I only list Phil Lamarr? He's relevant to the discussion and demonstrates a wide range, like his surfer bro voice
There's nothing wrong with it as a rule of thumb. It's straightforward and helps coloured actors get jobs. But you don't HAVE to, and even if you want that as the norm for your work as a creator, it shouldn't be a hard and fast rule without exceptions and execs inisting on it with quotas is bullshit. It's got to be flexible to allow creativity, and it's about how it's implemented. I mean it's alright demanding only black VAs play black characters, but you have to get the right person for the job and you might get a white or asian person who just fits. And also, there's no point in enacting this to 'give POCs a fair shot', then giving all the roles to Mr Lamarr or Keith David.
Or making a shit show that stymies their career like Rings of Power or, oh God, The Watch
>there’s nothing wrong with racially stereotyping voices
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that is absolutely not what I said.
I skipped over the moronic attempts to justify it.
It basically is. You keep trying to say it’s perfectly normal and a “rule of thumb” when it’s not. No one is buying your bullshit.
>Like 50% of Cree Summers' filmography
Phil is the one who gets brought up the most because he's the guy who's been extremely vocal about his hypocrisy online regarding the matter. He's also one of the most recognizable and widely used voice actors of all time b***hing about a lack of opportunities
>why do people always use the most blatant and easy to find examples of this nonsense that is causing the majority of problems currently
Gee I wonder..
https://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/Zeno-Robinson/
I'm picking on this guy in particular because he's a straight up racist. He was on Twitter saying the Ghost in the Shell live-action movie was trash because Scarett Johansson isn't Asian and therefore gave an inauthentic portrayal. Meanwhile, he celebrates blackwashing white roles in live-action projects and has no problem voicing transparently Asian and white characters himself.
The amount of people basically saying
>ISN’T THIS WHAT THEY WANTED???
is moronic. Like is it that hard to realize that maybe not everyone in hollywood agreed with the whole “POC should only voice POC” movement? Or is it just easier to group everyone up just to make a smug “libtards reap what they sow xD” post?
Anon, let's not pretend that this isn't what they wanted.
They assumed the sword only cut one direction, they wanted a leg up over white VAs in the job hunting process by saying that whites can't voice non-white characters, let's not mince words, just call it what it is.
The anon you’re talking to advocates for that shit. He isn’t interested in being proven wrong, he just wants to muddy the water and act like it isn’t happening.
He’s going to next ask you for 10+ sources proving it then dismiss them all because they weren’t 100% verbatim to the claim.
except i don’t, you cum guzzling moron. seriously, how fricking dumb are you that you have to assume that just because i’m trying to give the benefit of the doubt. shit, if
is right than i’ll gladly be upset at VAs doing this shit for their own personal gain.
Because the last two times this thread was posted the deniers started out saying the same dumb shit you did so I’m not convinced you aren’t those same people trying a new tactic for denial
>“I’ll gladly be upset”
>proceeds to remain “neutral”
No we get it
The loudest homosexuals are the ones agreeing with it and those who don't are shouted down. That creates the illusion that most people wanted this to happen, and that's why things like these are amplified because it gets them to shut up.
The problem is that silence is compliance when it comes to this stuff, especially when dealing with people who are part of these industries that have been extremely political.
If these actors had piped up and told the small minority to shut up with their idiotic politics, maybe the field wouldn't be such a huge mess or at least they'd have redeeming qualities when the mess finally comes too much to handle.
Instead they didn't say a word and now the politics they watched unfolding are biting them in the ass, and they finally have to take a stand against it.
But if they personally weren't affected they still wouldn't say a fricking thing, because there's also the possibility of personal gain for all of the non whites, so they do have a real incentive not to say anything in the first place.
Silence is compliance has often been thrown around by the other side and even non political normies and I have grown to agree with them.
If you didn't speak against the woke then you deserve what you're getting.
Especially if you're a "poc", because at least you could have dished out critique while still being relatively safe.
>The problem is that silence is compliance but if you speak against it we cancel and blacklist you
there was no winning. im glad this is happeninc, it's the only way they learn because it affects THEM only
>The problem is that silence is compliance
>Time to flip a coin on whether you're an ignored tiny contributor or a jailed radical accessory, better hope your side wins, bro.
Right from the start it's been pretty fricking clear for everyone, that the radical progressive politics will eventually bite you in the ass by excluding you from the field, because you're not the flavor of the month minority.
Not saying anything you're just playing a waiting game and as we're seeing it's not exactly a long game, because it's increasingly unsustainable towards the tail end of things.
Also you've got to keep in mind that these politics weren't so powerful in the beginning, that you'd be cancelled on the spot for saying a wrong thing. That is a fairly recent thing considering the big picture.
Yet even in that relatively safe environment these guys were quiet. Especially the minorities, because those politics had the faint potential to benefit them by giving them power over whites by placing them higher on the social totem pole.
Now these guys are finally seeing the world they were warned about and they're starting to complain about it as it's coming for them.
>cancelled for saying the wrong thing
>the whole world
>but just the leftists
nope, that's just Americans generally. all of you. the rest of us aren't like that anywhere near as much.
>it’s definitely not happening in Europe
I see it on the news all the time. You guys aren’t hiding shit
>is it that hard to realize that maybe not everyone in hollywood agreed with the whole “POC should only voice POC” movement?
Yes, because not a single person of note made the effort to stand against it.
In that lefty industry I’d you speak up you end up blacklisted. They don’t want to be the next Tim Allen, Roseanne or Kevin Sorbo
Sorry bro, silence makes you complicit.
Either speak up or deal with the consequences of being a coward.
Oh I agree. I’m just saying the industry has them scared into complying via shutting up and staying silent.
Prozd was in the English dub of Kingdom's third season. That batch of episodes replaced every single pre-existing voice for the characters, with the voice director saying it was important to her to have Asian actors in those roles. She got what she wanted, because there were only a handful of non-Asian actors in a show with a huge cast. Feel free to find a post from him criticizing that.
And even if there was such a post, his views back when Ali got cancelled and removed were all for stopping white Poole from voicing minorities and he would only now be b***hing about it since it’s now biting him in the ass
I have no idea who you're referring to. Is it some indie animation shit or gacha game garbage? I remember some minor white VA being forced into apologizing for playing an Arab character in some shitty mobile game.
I’m talking about the guy on op’s post, pay attention
I have no idea who Ali and Poole are.
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The latter
>Like is it that hard to realize that maybe not everyone in hollywood agreed with the whole “POC should only voice POC” movement?
It was a dumb movement because now you end up excluding diversity characters because we have to hire another union payed actor for every token we want to include. The issue wasn't even needing a true-to-life element of performances, its that the voice over world is largely a bunch of white folks and a handful of black people, so there's this narrative that the whole casting process isn't inclusive enough.
And now you've got the white people circling the wagons. First its "Asian Chin should really be voiced by an Asian", then its "Hey, why can't every white guy be voiced by an Asian?", so the white people have done the sensible thing and said "If we're voicing stuff by skin color, white people have to voice white people."
I mean personally I'm on the side of diversity and the idea that the cast of a production should be roughly in line with the diversity of the tokens being put on display/used for easy gags, even if the voices don't match the races of the characters, but the backlash should be obvious when you realize its a bunch of minorities trying to take some white people's jerbs.
Even if it's not what they wanted, it's what the fricking got, do you argue against that? And they were warned this would happen.
I wonder how granular we should get with voice actors and the characters that they represent.
Is getting an Korean-American to voice a Korean character bad? There are plenty of voice actors from Korea that could get.
What about regions? India is a big place, is getting a north-indian to play a character from south india wrong?
This stuff becomes a mess if you think about it too much.
These companies don't give a shit about any of that, Sega hired a fricking Korean to play a Japanese guy in their EN dub of the new Yakuza game, and the guy they hired is some shitty Youtuber who regurgitates reddit posts and can't act for shit.
Audiobooks in which a single narrator voices people of every gender, race, and level of gayness should be outlawed
I think it's a good rule of thumb to aim for because there are many, MANY underemployed coloured voice actors out there so it opens the door for them, and it just makes sense from a practical point of view as it's more straightforward.
But it shouldn't be a hard and fast rule that a creator asks for AND CERTAINLY not quota bullshit thought up by the executives. You can strongly emphasis a preference for it in your work as a creator, but you should be willing to make exceptions even then. Flexibility is important for creativity.
Lol no that bots how anything works. They are unemployed because they either don’t fit the tile or because the industry’s already existing nepotism blocks them out. It has absolutely nothing to do with race and everything to do with the scumbags in charge running shit this way
You sure? I mean if you ask me it's possible that sometimes, nepotists will want more control over hiring, and people who want control over hiring might have other motives too, like racism. Or at least only going with the people they know, and if they're white, and only know white actors, well, there it is... sort of.
I mean look at OP's example. There's a POC being denied a role for the sake of diversity rules, in your traditional sort of racism. Reverse racism can be done too.
The flipside to this, mind you, is that ethnicity quotas could be used to enforce nepotism, either a black producer only hiring black people he knows over a white unknown for a role, and saying 'but we have to fill the quota!', or racists denying POCs a good role as above.
>there’s people getting what th et demanded when they started wanting to segregate rules.
Are you dumb?
gonna have to elaborate what you mean there, buddy
No I don’t have to do anything
Oh, well, okay, firstly, forgive me for having an opinion lmao.
Secondly, you make yourself look like an impatient little tart who doesn't want an adult conversation and fears that he might be wrong.
Thirdly, it's very simple - there's nothing wrong with it if it's treated as a rule of thumb, and implemented with exceptions kept in mind, by the director, because creative freedom is important. Instead of quotas or edicts handed down by the executives, because those are inflexible and stifle creative freedom.
But they shouldn't HAVE to. It's got to be done intelligently and willingly, not out of compulsion or it probably won't work.
That’s a lot of words to try and justify stereotyping minorities into minority only roles and crying about me calling it out
Most white people would slit their own throat than be called racist.
Not anymore. It’s so fricking overused at literally any criticism the word has completely lost its power except when directed at redditors
Anon we've been over this: meritocracy will always trump affirmative action.
Where's the line anyway? Most animated Asians are Japanese so will other Asian's be banned from voicing them eventually? Will we need Nordic VA's to voice giga Chad's? Will Hollywood ban Brits from playing American's?
Let’s get very particular with it. Only New Yorkers voice New Yorkers, only heroes can vice heroes.
And only c**ts can voice australians
Right on
I can tell you right now, without accents, black people are the only race where you can tell who it is just by listening to their voice. Naturally born Chinese, Mexcians, Indians, Europeans, etc, all sound the same. But blacks? The only ones I can spot out.
You would never know Phil Lamarr was black.
Unless it's J from Murder Drones.
What the frick? I had no idea J's VA was black. She sounds like the whitest corporate b***h ever, impressive on the VA's part I guess.
The mythical black note, ladies and gentlemen
Voice acting is a talent, it's acting with your voice. It's not being yourself with your normal voice and taking that normal voice to every charachter you voice after that
Was Kingdom any better for only casting asian VAs?
It's insane because Samurai Jack specifically isn't a story of a Japanese man that deserves to be represented as a Japanese man it's a parody of Japanese movies as seen in America redubbed by American voice actors. You lose the entire sense of Hollywood black and white film dubs if you replace that with culturally authentic people
If that's the case wouldnt someone with an american accent be a better choice?
It's just a power grab it's what they always do
>Demand that black characters be voiced by black people
>Demand that half of all characters are black
>Because of physical limitations and industry incest all the voice actors hired are militant activists
>Over half of all voice actors are activists
>Use power to gatekeep people you don't like from getting jobs
>Use power to push for control of writing and art
Have you read their literacy? Physical goods and power are the only things that matter in the world and getting them at any cost is always justified
They are all horrible people
At least corpos will stop once money stops rolling, giving these people power means they will ensure that they get money and their 1000 friends who got hired to do nothing also get money and no extra profits exist and the company barely keeps itself afloat with government grants
That you think corpos will ever be satisfied speaks to your delusion more than anything, the only thing that will stop an evil corporation is a group of 4-6 friends from different backgrounds and nonetheless violence
I 100% bet this guy would complain if he saw a white guy voice an Asian character though.
GOOD! It was frickin stupid to push this shit. I'm glad it's gonna backfire hard.
Why do whitoids couldn't get their disgusting, grubby fingers off Asian entertainment because no one wants to associate with them? It's just sad and embarrassing.
So good at math so bad at Englisj
So good at shooting up school.
So bad at english.
old joke is old
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Japan loves selling it to us, deal with it
Just make it even across the board. For every white person who has to step down from voicing a minority, a minority voicing a cracker should step down too.
No, it is idiotic and you know it. Those people have forgotten what an actor is. An actor is someone who pretends to be something he isn’t. That is his JOB.
>do you think it's fair for VA to voice character that match their ethnicity or skin color exclusively?
No.
If it wasn't racist to exclude white VAs for their lack of skin color coordination with the characters, it isn't racist now to skin color coordinate VAs with appropriate character.
>shitskin whining ruins something for everyone else
Many such cases
They don't want to say it out loud, but what they mean is "whites should just not be employed and all jobs should go to nonwhites like myself"
Depends. There is a lack of roles for certain groups like native americans and pacific islanders that's exacerbated by studies casting actors of other ethnicities for characters that are in these groups. See the controversy over the new Wonka movie not casting a dwarf as the Oompa Loompa. On the flip side, some actors are just better for the roles. It's a complex issue. I think Phil LaMarr was great as Jack. Would an asian actor be just as good? Maybe. Maybe not. Just depends.
>See the controversy over the new Wonka movie not casting a dwarf as the Oompa Loompa.
I love how people care about that but not Disney getting rid of 7 dwarf acting roles by changing Snow White to be about her and 7 random homosexuals.
They don't?
i didnt even know about that but now i'm mad
>"Wendee Lee is so evil for fighting to keep her role, she should have just let the tanned japanese character to be recast for a BIPOC in need."
>"Erm, what the deuce? Why do I have to voice asians?"
These are the same people that were against White people playing minorities so frick then.
You have a link to him saying that?
? Wendee Lee is having some kind of psychotic passive aggressive episode on twitter AFTER getting her old job.
see
He's just like everyone else in the industry, he deserves to get fricked in the bed he helped make.
>? Wendee Lee is having some kind of psychotic passive aggressive episode on twitter AFTER getting her old job.
She's mad so many people came out to throw pity parties over her single episode replacement getting shitcanned when none of them did the same for her. Part of that is her own fault for staying silent when news on the recast happened. The other part is that most of the VAs who fellated her replacement were younger woke types anyway. Wendee was never part of that clique and they weren't going to support a white woman voicing a non-white character.
You have to stay silent about recasts because complaining about recasting is one of the fastest ways for any actor to get blacklisted.
any guesses to which [Prominent Cartoon] it was?
>I think eleva-ACCCK
PONY ALERT
PONY ALERT
PONY ALERT
>WHY THIS CARTOON GOT NO MUSHMOUTH EAR-RAPING BLACK VOICES
>THIS LITERALLY GENOCIDE BRUH