he'll only show up in some big special again if at all because RTD hired such a huge star. or he'll change his appearance again and be played by a different actor.
> Do they just pretend they know what the reference is
There's a lot of Doctor Who related online influencers who do this. They'll be out in full force in the next 24 hours pretending they've seen Pyramids of Mars
>Can't wait for the "WHO IS SUTEKH?" video from someone who just watched Pyramids of Mars an hour ago and read a quick wiki article
Thanks for spoiling the next episode of the Official Doctor Who Podcast, jerk.
>too bad the Trickster never showed up this season
...yet.
Mrs flood is likely one of the gods name-checked by Sutekh, because she knew exactly what was up. Could be the Trickster because "why not?" or could be Incensor who is the mother of Doubt and Dread. As Mrs Flood seems to like to antagonise people ( "get that police c**ting police box off my pavement", "your mum's over there you don't need to phone her, frickface", "we'd all like a cup of tea, don't mean you're bastarding getting one, Yolande!" ) Incensor would be best bet though. Incensor has two children, Doubt and Dread and it's possible Ruby could in fact be Doubt, which could leave Dread to show up next episode when that is revealed. As it's not been officially revealed who Awkwafina is playing it's possible this could be her or perhaps Dread is Morris, who was sounding like he was full of dread when he was going on about things being hot and cold.
How does nostalgia bait work for Dr. Who when the majority of people who still watch it started in 2005 and have severe mental difficulties? Do they just pretend they know what the reference is
nostalgia doesn't work in that case anon, i dont have nostalgia for an episode i saw last year in a classic who binge watch while taking pauses for jerking off to pregnant porn
>How does nostalgia bait work for Dr. Who when the majority of people who still watch it started in 2005 and have severe mental difficulties? Do they just pretend they know what the reference is
Yep. They google it mid-episode and pretend they always knew what it was.
None of those are part of the Pantheon except possibly Mrs Flood. The Pantheon has only been able to enter reality as a whole because of the folklore-based trickery the Doctor and Donna used in Wild Blue Yonder. They're also literal gods with domains and dominion over concepts. Slitheen, the Master, River Song, etc. just have never been anything like that.
Sutekh wasn't part of the Pantheon before and now he is. The Osirans were their own race on Phaester Osiris. Seems like the Pantheons takes applications from sufficiently powerful beings, as well.
>homie, if you are over 25 and still fooled by RTD, I'm surprised you aren't typing with one finger.
Who said I was fooled? I was banking on Sutekh returning for most of the season and the title of the finale "Empire of Death" sealed the deal for me. I still enjoyed the episode, even if it was all set-up and misdirection.
>if they're fun now. >if
Toymaker was fun, Sutekh so far has done nuthin' wrong.
Well that's all part of the "Myths are real" spin. The whole salt thing might have literally altered time in a way that now a lot of powerful beings run on belief and were turned into gods.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Making Sutekh a god is a lot more interesting than just making like the master and slitheens and river song gods. That would just be doing the timeless child bullshit again but turning it up to 11.
Yes, it might escape you, but even an episode the twist of which someone with the knowledge of 60 years of TV show and 30 of audiobooks can unravel early on can still be fun.
Big Finish runs on that whole shebang. You KNOW the Doctor can't die and you also know which villain will appear and you know they will be defeated. The episodes are still fun because they write strong character moments and witty comebacks.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>they write strong character moments and witty comebacks. >RTD2
If you're genuinely entertained by this series, and consider it in any way to be Doctor Who, then nothing I say will ever get through to you, and you'd have a more edifying experience printing out this comment, rolling the paper into a cone, and sticking it up your bum.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>>they write strong character moments and witty comebacks.
I was talking about Big Finish, but do carry on... >If you're genuinely entertained by this series, and consider it in any way to be Doctor Who, then nothing I say will ever get through to you, and you'd have a more edifying experience printing out this comment, rolling the paper into a cone, and sticking it up your bum.
I guess you haven't watched the series between 2005 and 2010. It feels very similar in tone.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>I was talking about Big Finish, but do carry on...
what's your favourite BF story?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>I was talking about Big Finish, but do carry on...
what's your favourite BF story?
>he's still googling "best big finish doctor who stories"
1 week ago
Anonymous
Not that anon, but Loups-Garoux is underrated as hell and probably the best werewolf story that Doctor Who has ever done.
1 week ago
Anonymous
If he says Zagreus or Scherzo it'll be funny as shit
Incorrect.
The Pantheon can enter time at any point when they manefest, see Maestro for an example of that, furthermore Mrs Flood is known to Ruby's family for at least as long as they have been living in London.
It has been shown as well that a member of the Pantheon might be unaware that they are anything but human, and completely undetectable as non human by all of UNITs tests, which are presumably state of the art, look at how Susan Triad had no idea she was Sutekh just that she had some weird dreams. A catapulted has no idea it's a butterfly as they said in the episode.
Obviously something happens to Rogue/Jack to change him into the face of His when his is already in aging and immortal, that could be his full awakening as a god.
River probably knows but doesn't tell the Doctor yet, because spoilers.
Blon Fel-Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen would become a God after staring into the heart of the TARDIS then being regressed to egg form.
Which brings up another God, not mentioned yet: The Bad Wolf.
There is no way in he'll that Rose 1.0 was not a God when she became the Bad Wolf, seriously look at what she could do. But where did she get that power from? The TARDIS. Where did Jack get his power from? The TARDIS (via the Bad Wolf). Where did Blon Fel-Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen get her second chance and presumed God powers to go along with it from? The TARDIS. What has Sutekh's spirit form attached itself to? The TARDIS.
Seeing a pattern here aren't we? Clearly the TARDIS itself is a God and perhaps more powerful than Sutekh. Remember Rose 1.0 herself as Bad Wolf saying "I bring life..." Could the TARDIS be the God of life that can oppose Sutekh's God of death.
But Maestro only manifested "once" the stuff happened at the edge of the universe, same with the Toymaker. >look at how Susan Triad had no idea she was Sutekh just that she had some weird dreams.
Susan Triad herself wasn't Sutekh though, the bat.. dog.. thing is. She's some sort of pawn or servant of Sutekh for him to speak through. >Obviously something happens to Rogue/Jack to change him into the face of His when his is already in aging and immortal, that could be his full awakening as a god.
Won't happen because of the allegations, it would be pretty much suicide for them to bring back Jack now. >Seeing a pattern here aren't we?
Yes, you want to make the show into a boring as frick mess where every other character is literally a god and the doctor is canonically space jebus flying through time jacking off on bad guys.
>She's some sort of pawn or servant of Sutekh for him to speak through.
but why is she random people throughout time? just a woman in a canteen that barely interacts with 15/Ruby. what's the point of this whole plan
1 week ago
Anonymous
Because she seems to be connected to the Tardis in some way. She's probably the consciousness of it (as we've seen before). Sutekh was using the Tardis and was latched onto it ("and he whispered to the vessel..."). She is the consciousness of the Tardis itself. When it came time for Sutekh to break through she then became that as Sutekh corrupted her (that is, the tardis).
1 week ago
Anonymous
right, fine, I get that. but still doesn't explain why she's some random girl's mum, and some random hiker, and some random canteen woman lmao
1 week ago
Anonymous
Because Sutekh has been shitting on the timeline for like years or some shit. Who knows. RTD is a hack and likes it up the arse.
1 week ago
Anonymous
wasn't it just sutekh baiting the doctor to investigate who she was, and then try and convince him that she was his granddaughter so he could trap the doctor?
1 week ago
Anonymous
okay yeah that makes sense
ish.
but he's wrapped around the TARDIS. he's a literal god. can't he just force the TARDIS to land in UNIT as they're watching a Triad broadcast and cut to the chase?
I'm fricking bothered by the amount of exposition this episode needed to tie everything up, but I guess that happens when you have so few episodes. I feel like his old mystery boxes were slightly more winks to the audience and then it all got pulled together in one big reveal. This entire episode was the lead up to the reveal and it was really annoying that pretty much every fricking line was something the fans notice being paid off and it just came off as feeling poorly written. I am super fricking curious how Susan is still going to tie into this and who Ruby's mom is, because we're definitely going to get that. Same for Mrs. Flood.
>when you have so few episodes
it's because none of the elements are actually developed or set up, they only exist in their bubbles of adhoc exposition to justify the payoff they want. they'll realize oh wait we didn't explain x so let's do that.
As someone who was on board with the Sutekh rumors from day one, I appreciated the bait and switch because I had no fricking idea they would actually do it considering how much time the episode spends fricking about giving us exposition. I'm super curious how they're going to tweak his lore since he never really was "the god of gods," but they could just be hyperbolic boasting from Sutekh. I do find it interesting that he literally did wait and there is a payoff from the 4th Doctor era with this one. I mean, he spent potentially thousands of years in a different universe just waiting to come back. I wouldn't be surprised if the ongoing headcanon is that he wouldn't have come through if he didn't run into the Toymaker
>who is sutekh >i haven't watched anything before david tennant
Literally an egyptian god of death, an osirian.
The osirians are super-advanced aliens who are also egyptian gods. Kinda like in Stargate.
>He's still just a powerful alien. Nothing the Toymaker should be afraid of.
In BFA they've made Billis an entity that destroyed the Guardians and Osirians when they grew too big as it keeps the universe and time in balance.
And the Master was scared shitless of him/it.
It's boring
I started watching again when they brought David Tennant back
I only watched this season hoping he would make an appearance
Not going to watch anymore
über-op alien god of death with ill-defined powerset. Got banished outside time in "Pyramids of Mars" in 1975. Only has shown up, severely hampered, twice in Big Finish, because if he bodily re-enters the universe, it's basically over. He seems to have returned with his body and spirit separated in this episode. His selling point is his voice actor, Gabriel Woolf, who is back for this finale as well.
He is the chessmaster. He will continue to make Dr Who poison to Hollywood like the Amblin era did with McGann. Saving dr Who and giving us hours of Big Finish
Bet it's really lame shit like merchandise, dvds, maybe a ticket to some event. Almost certain that it's not millions of dollars in BBC marketing money, they wouldn't have that much to play with.
That's why fricking with audience goodwill has been an error. Family favourites market themselves.
I was going through classic serials when they dropped on iPlayer last year and skipped Pyramids of Mars because it has a ridiculously boring first episode.
>OK Ncuti, you've just found out that an ancient evil has returned, so what are you gonna do? >I was thinking ill just stand there with my mouth open for 2 minutes >....right
>Really Doctor, you really thought it'd be your granddaughter? You haven't spoken to her in years. It was I, Sutekh catfishing you across all of time and space! And to make matters worse, I've been squatting on your Tardis for nearly a year now!
>Fine Doctor, but let it be known. It was I who raised Lindy Pepper-Bean. It was I, who sent her to the colony of space racists. Why Doctor? Because I knew you would show up there and I wanted to watch from my throne, -your- Tardis as you got rejected for being black and unable to save those people.
it’s over. i’m a massive rtd fan and i can see it. this format is exhausted. there’s nothing left in this. the heights we all clung to before now we’re really. the. genuine heights. that was it. i enjoyed it all, but it’s over. let go
>"Honey you might be the God of Death, but I'm the God of Time" >15 presses a button and reverses all of Sutekhs evil magic and the dead people start coming back to life
I could honestly see that happening, the Black & White Guardians seem right up RTD's alley and would fit right in with the gods and magic slant he's going for. would be a good excuse for a Turlough cameo
Guys GUYS GUYS THE SENSORITES JUST FRICKING TOOK SUSAN, IT'S OVER, SHE'S GOING TO BE STUFFED WITH BSC AND NEVER BE THE SAME. THEY ALREADY BORED OUT THE TARDIS, HOW CAN SUSAN HOPE TO WITHSTAND IT?
This was fun. But why call this a refresh of the series and throw in so many callbacks ? If I was new I’d be so lost and on top of that you can’t watch old who anywhere but the uk. So while the reveal was a great climax, without context or context to create by revisiting old tales. It’s pretty much a nothing burger. Even tennant fans would be lost in this fan wankery. If rtd was smart he should’ve just used the beast seeing as it’s a famous 10th doctor story and would close out a long mystery of who the doctor met. Just seems like wasted potential . Plus all the hell references and Christian allegories. Was it too much to go back and dig up your own villains instead of dragging out other villains that were much more cloister to what you were trying to portray
That's the issue, back in 2005 all of the lore had to be slowly explained because the BBC was afraid of the show being too nerdy. Now Disney demands RTD to >Reintroduce Doctor Who basics >Forcefully recreate the Superwholock tumblr fandom golden age by making the show 200% gay >Bang and scream LOOK WE GOT 40 YEARS OF DOCCY WHO ON DISNEY+ WE GOT EGYPTIAN GODS WE GOT ADRIC WE GOT SPACE CLOWNS GO CONSOOM to make sure they make a return on the investment they made to put it all on streaming
All in an 8 episodes series with reduced airtime
episode was uninteresting until the last 10 minutes, then we all got blueballed. time to wait a week to see what the frick happens, also im tired of this 8 episode shit and they feel so short.
They probably have an amazingly honed sense for sniffing out high functioning weirdoes who want to clumsily Dark Triad their eay into the pants of the top 10% of females there.
>"Sutekh honey, your dog-face butt forgot one thing..." >The Doctor presses a button sending Sutekh through a cgi portal >"...I'm the real badest b***h"
>Sutekh darling, do I look like Brendan Fraser to you? >Take your dusty, scroll reading, sarcophagus snoozing ASS back to space because your Pyramid scheme is over!!!
*eats cornstarch*
*farts jizz*
*jives*
*tosses caber*
I said in another thread that part 1 of RTD finales are usually pretty good before shitting the bed in part 2.
I would like to publicly apologise for being so wrong.
I cannot fathom how anyone can actually sit down and watch whole episodes of this shit. Anyone still watching after how bad 13 shit the bed has some kind of mental disorder.
>"If it's not Susan, then the general audience aren't gonna have a clue what's going on" >Blank faced during the "Sue Tech" reveal >"Yep the Internet was right" >"Umm that was a pretty good episode. All set up though"
Oh boy lads I can't wait for the next episode to be just the worst dogshit you could even imagine as they laugh in our faces over the fact that this godforsaken show will never just fricking pull the plug
She probably just moved in after completing her spinobifida research. Would you want to stick around with a toxic boss like Kate who thinks you're faking your clear and obvious disability just to get a combat wheelchair.
This show kind of makes me want to violently shit myself.
Kind of like when gators try to out-macho a rocket taking off, whenever I see this show's current state I end up wanting to blast out my ass until I prolapse just to compete with how awful it is.
as dumb and gay as RTD's Master was, the whole "villain disguises itself as human" thing had an obvious purpose, with Simm becoming prime minister to enact a wider plan
what was the point in sukesh disguising itself as a tech CEO? was it ever explained what the plan was there?
>it's a "RTD writes a script 5 years ago and doesn't realise his moronic parody is already outdated and besides the wider non-UK audience wouldn't have gotten the reference anyway" episode
To be fair the vast majority of people don't religiously watch this show. They start with one doctor, watch for how many years, then forget about the show and move on with their life. To most people that twist isn't obviously recycled for the millionth time.
>the vast majority of people don't religiously watch this show
Given the viewing figures, the majority of people watching it (in the UK at least) are presumably longtime fans.
>Repeated motif throughout series >Characters barely acknowledge it until the finale >Mofit is revealed to be loosely connected to a returning villain (usually in a cliffhanger)
I'm so bored of RTDs style of season arcs. I'd argue it only worked twice (Bad Wolf and YANA). At least Moff actually had characters interact with his season arcs and when had them change over time (eg Rory getting deleted by the cracks)
We'll never know for sure but you just know RTD got the idea for this whole thing in 2022 or something when he read the name Susan Twist on a casting call list for mrs. Flood
I figure they probably had some more scenes planned where they spot susan twist in the background of other adventures, but due to the limited number of episodes and runtime, it was cut (much like basically any moment that could've allowed an episode to breathe in this series)
because reddit trannies have only seen clips on youtube and can't accept that classic who is mostly iredeemable slop except for a couple of stand-out episodes
>Why is he talked up by boomers as some amazing formiddable villain?
Nobody talked about Sutekh before the theory that the character might be brought back for this season, and even now the only people talking about it are the only people who still watch this show: redditor hype-reflectors with no self-respect and nothing going for them but attachments they grew during 2008-2016.
No it was legit. Classic fans love Pyramids of Mars.
>kind of like using the Rani now. >now
The Rani, Sutekh and Omega were always rumored to return at the same time.
>Literally on a lower level than fricking jago and litefoot. >Literally on a lower level than the best, most tightly written spin-off they ever did, boo bloody hoo
Now, if you had said Lady Christina, then you might have had uttered scathing criticism, but this is actually praise.
Trying way too hard. Not interested in some 22 year old from r/gallifrey trying to tell me how groundbreaking Pyramids of Mars was.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Could you be any more wrong.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>I'm not interested in >could you be any more wrong
even your boilerplate sardonic responses don't make sense at this point.
1 week ago
Anonymous
It might be because I never said anything containing the words "I'm not interested in". You're speaking to a minimum of two people at this point.
Also >boilerplate
What, you want me to come up with wholly original expressions of how you're boring me? Obviously I'm not going to dox myself and I have little way to prove I am not the things you say, you'll just have to take it as read that I'm a tad bit older and also not subscribed to r/gallifrey.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>It might be because I never said anything containing the words "I'm not interested in"
well, generally when talking to people, you respond to things THEY say, so it doesn't matter that YOU didn't say those words. I did. >What, you want me to come up with wholly original expressions of how you're boring me?
Not really. You could just stop posting. Nobody would care. >dox myself
little bit out of left field >you'll just have to take it as read that I'm a tad bit older
homie, if you are over 25 and still fooled by RTD, I'm surprised you aren't typing with one finger.
>Literally on a lower level than fricking jago and litefoot. >Literally on a lower level than the best, most tightly written spin-off they ever did, boo bloody hoo
Now, if you had said Lady Christina, then you might have had uttered scathing criticism, but this is actually praise.
The chances of getting Omega back are getting slim though, given both of his voice actors passed and, yet again, the menace the characters held was mostly down to the excellent performances their voice actors turned in,
>RTDs husband dies irl >Creates biregeneration so there's copies of every Doctor out there and there's no finality to the versions >Adds a wheelchair ramp to the Tardis (and makes Davros not a wheelchair user) because his husband had to use a wheelchair as he got ill >15 meets Ruby in a nightclub the same way that RTD met his husband >Makes the Doctor have a gay (male) romance >Makes the big bad of his first season back, Sutekh, the personification of DEATH (which they will no doubt defeat and reverse the effects of in the next episode)
Russell mate, please go to therapy
>people making onion faces over this
lmao even the Gods of Ragnarok were more memorable, not that any of the people cheering for this has actually seen the classic.
also: >not a single mention of the fact there is another Doctor chilling nearby in the same time period the episode is set
Peak writing.
Unfortunately the episode was a good setup, and I loved how blatantly Classic Who the ending cliffhanger was. You are all pathetic sad jaded losers who need to go to therapy
>Series 1 Daleks >Series 2 Cybermen and Daleks >Series 3 Master >Series 4 Daleks and Davros >Specials Time Lords and Master >Series 5 Fricked up Time >Series 6 Fricked up Time and The Silence >Series 7 The Great Intelligence >Series 8 Missy and Cybermen >Series 9 Time Lords and The Doctor going pussy mad >Series 10 Missy/Master and the Cybermen >Series 11 Tooth guy >Series 12 Timeless Child info dump and The Master (and sort of the Cybermen) >Series 13 Crystal headed couple (and sort of the flux and Time or whatever) >Series 14 Sutekh
Kinda miss the Dalek as finale villains tbh
Making The Doctor, the God of Time, would be worse than The Timeless Child stuff. Making him a God instead of a slightly below-average Time Lord is so gay but fits RTDs obsession with making The Doctor into Space Jesus
Making The Doctor, the God of Time, would be worse than The Timeless Child stuff. Making him a God instead of a slightly below-average Time Lord is so gay but fits RTDs obsession with making The Doctor into Space Jesus
In the old books (it's been years since I've read them so I might be wrong) Deaht and Time were Eternals that had champions.
The Doctor was the champion of Time and the Master was the champion of Death.
That might make the Doctor too special but at least it's not the same as the Doctor actually being a God himself.
I'M reminded of 'The Beast' from the impossible planet/the satan pit and it worked out so much better to not actually bring back Sutekh but create a spiritual successor instead.
It also helps that they bought back Gabriel Wolf to voice the best as well.
Toymaker, Sutekth. Who else like that is there for RTD to bring back? Guardians? Omega? If Moffat had already not done so I wouldn't be surprised if RTD2 played the Great Intelligence card.
I also enjoy that RTD is bringing back villains the TV series hasn't touched in half a century, even though it throws their appearances outside of it since then for a loop. I'll survive that, too, if they're fun now.
I do not get the reasoning behind bringing Sutekh back, or at least the way they have. Unless you are familiar with Pyramids of Mars then this is a meaningless return; it is not as if they layed the foundation for his return for the audience lacking familiarity. It is a move that does not bring back the audience they have lost that only know NuWho. No doubt a bunch of hack 'journalists' and shills on Twitter are pretending they know who Sutekh actually is and how this is brilliant.
it is? I think I missed that bit.
I thought it was introduced in the books but the new series wanted to make it clear there's no afterlife, especially in Torchwood.
We've suspected here that after his husbands death RTD wants to lean a little towards spirituality.
RTD says that Doctor Who had always had a large gay following but I'm starting to think he meant mostly 80s Who.
When it was really over the top & Campy and sort of shit.
Why is UNIT employing literal kids as part of their top team?
The Prime Minister can't walk into UNIT but a 15 year old troony or 13 year old midge, sure!
doctor arrives and is convinced mystery woman is actually his granddaughter because her name is susan and she runs a company which is the anagram of tardis
there's a dwarf on a segway and donna's transgender daughter returns. ruby cries a lot.
>doctor arrives and is convinced mystery woman is actually his granddaughter because her name is susan and she runs a company which is the anagram of tardis
red herrings for now?
So the one who waits is Sutekh, who chilled out attached to the TARDIS for months... for some reason. Susan Twist is one of his minions, who appears all over the place... for some reason. For his grand reveal and return, his elaborate plan includes a tech company ??? and some random lady called Susan, as the trap. He also hired a graphic design person for his logo/branding? (Someone tell RTD how anagrams work. "It was the wrong anagram." SUE TECH =/= SUTEKH)
Feels like RTD started with "lol Sutekh... Sue... could have a tech company..." and worked from there but it's all so random. I have many questions, the main one being, oh who cares?
>episode opens straight into the plot, zero build up >lenny rush is fricking irritating > Mrs Flood is hiding away. 15 says regeneration can be used to hide away. She knows Sutekh is coming >Mel felt bland >at least we didn't get WALK LIKE AN EGYPTIAN >RTD trying to recapture his Yana reveal but none of it makes sense, but go with it cos Murray Gold blasted louder than ever >where is 14? Just sitting this one out? >good of them to make S1 a season for newbies and then make a reveal about someone from 49 years ago
I wish we'd got walk like an egyptian, at least I'd remember that
instead I don't remember anything before the speech, and even then I only remember the speech because I was comparing it to the one from series 2
This episode basically confirms that the widely held headcanon that 14 eventually regenerates into 15 is a load of crap.
15 asks Rose how he is, even though he should have memories of all these events
>This episode basically confirms that the widely held headcanon that 14 eventually regenerates into 15 is a load of crap. >15 asks Rose how he is, even though he should have memories of all these events
Salt at the end of the universe.
The first black Doctor isn't actually the Doctor but a clone of the original (i.e. real/white) Doctor, like a worm cut in half becoming two worms.
For a man who decided to reboot the entire show for new audiences, he sure does like to lean on shit that hasn't been relevant in 40 years. I guess he thinks that kids will assume they're his creations, or something.
OMG IS THAT A RETURNING MONSTER FROM 1975
I'M LITERALLY SO HYPE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS BEFORE I WAS BORN AND HAD NO LASTING CULTURAL IMPACT UNLIKE THE DALEKS AND IS A LITERAL WHO
I'M GOING TO GO ON THE WIKI AND LOOK UP SUTEKH RIGHT NOW AND LARP AS A CLASSIC WHO FAN GET HYPE GET HYPE GET HYPE GET HYPE AND CONSOOM
PYRAMIDS OF MARS GUY
OH MY BRIDGERTON GUYS
IT CURED ME OF MY DEPRESSION
SUTEKH GAVE ME CHILLS OMG
MAJOR 4TH DOCTOR VIBES GUYS
HE HAS SUCH MAVITAS GUYS HAHA
SUTEKH IS JUST LIKE MY EVERYTHING I STAN HIM SINCE I WAS A KID HIDING BEHIND THE SOFA FIRST WATCHING THE PYRAMIDS OF MARS >19/She/They
direction on the church on ruby road fricked up so bad that when explaining the arc hints on unleashed they have to show filming footage side by side with the actual clip so we can tell what the advert even is
2004, RTD said how it was difficult to come up with titles that don't spoil the plot, because of how much Dr Who fans love to pick at every minute word and extrapolate the story from that
20 years later, we decided that Sutekh is involved because the word SAND came up
Why do people pretend Jodie was the worst Doctor when Patrick Troughton existed?
2 > 13 > 6
>worst b8
Troughton is probably the most archetypal Doctor
you're probably the most archetypal Dcotor, homosexual
They were planning to bring Troughton back like Tennant to save the show when Colin Baker was sacked.
Colin Baker was based as frick, but I can see why he triggered snowflakes.
DR WOKE IN THE LGBTARDIS
Did anyone else notice that when Susan is transforming they played the same music that they used when professor YANA discovered the watch?
I think it's a double bait and that Susan is actually Susan.
Either this or she really is just some random old woman and why he chose her will never be explained
I didn't hear it.
If you go back you'll hear it.
I'm betting on miss flood being Susan, though that doesn't really explain why she was being all ominous around cherry.
>Toymaker
>Maestro
>Trickster
All conceptual gods meant to personify a singular aspect and gimmick, with a conceptual pantheon built up as the season threat
>out of fricking nowhere motherfricking Sutekh shows up
He deserves better than to be nostalgia bait
It feels like a God of War game.
Too bad the Trickster never showed up this season though maybe it would have if they had more episodes.
Sutekh named dropped the Trickster so I'm counting him
Other gods were namedropped as well and we never met them. RTD is just staking his claim to the rogue's gallery for the coming seasons.
he'll only show up in some big special again if at all because RTD hired such a huge star. or he'll change his appearance again and be played by a different actor.
The (Susan) twist at the end of next weeks episode is that this isn't actually Sutekh, it's The Trickster all along!
> Do they just pretend they know what the reference is
There's a lot of Doctor Who related online influencers who do this. They'll be out in full force in the next 24 hours pretending they've seen Pyramids of Mars
RTD made Jonathan Groff watch An Uneathly Child and he thought it was gay.
Can't wait for the "WHO IS SUTEKH?" video from someone who just watched Pyramids of Mars an hour ago and read a quick wiki article
>Can't wait for the "WHO IS SUTEKH?" video from someone who just watched Pyramids of Mars an hour ago and read a quick wiki article
Thanks for spoiling the next episode of the Official Doctor Who Podcast, jerk.
optimistic to imply any of those people would bother watching an episode of Doctor Who
They definitely watch the new episodes.
>too bad the Trickster never showed up this season
...yet.
Mrs flood is likely one of the gods name-checked by Sutekh, because she knew exactly what was up. Could be the Trickster because "why not?" or could be Incensor who is the mother of Doubt and Dread. As Mrs Flood seems to like to antagonise people ( "get that police c**ting police box off my pavement", "your mum's over there you don't need to phone her, frickface", "we'd all like a cup of tea, don't mean you're bastarding getting one, Yolande!" ) Incensor would be best bet though. Incensor has two children, Doubt and Dread and it's possible Ruby could in fact be Doubt, which could leave Dread to show up next episode when that is revealed. As it's not been officially revealed who Awkwafina is playing it's possible this could be her or perhaps Dread is Morris, who was sounding like he was full of dread when he was going on about things being hot and cold.
bold of you to assume I could understand what Morris was saying
Subtitles exist for a reason, and that's lispy Segway dwarfs and Scottish people.
His concept is death.
When is Jamie coming back?
Would have been a better twist if it was the Beast, released when the Doctor fricked with the Salt with the other Gods
How does nostalgia bait work for Dr. Who when the majority of people who still watch it started in 2005 and have severe mental difficulties? Do they just pretend they know what the reference is
You know that you can go back and watch stuff that aired before you were born, right?
nostalgia doesn't work in that case anon, i dont have nostalgia for an episode i saw last year in a classic who binge watch while taking pauses for jerking off to pregnant porn
Probably because you only saw it last year.
can't imagine wanking to pyramids of mars
The robot mummys had big breasts
>How does nostalgia bait work for Dr. Who when the majority of people who still watch it started in 2005 and have severe mental difficulties? Do they just pretend they know what the reference is
Yep. They google it mid-episode and pretend they always knew what it was.
Sutekh isn't even a cosmic entity.
He declared war on life, and apparently had a fair chance at winning before he was imprisoned. Sounds cosmic enough.
YOU aren't even a cosmic entity, homosexual
Mysterious homies of name dropping intent
RTD is turning Doctor Who into a worse Sandman
The Reprobate sounds like such a b***h
Inb4 they're a metaphor for the fandom.
Played by ____ Judy ___.
We have met all of these before, some of which before their God powers have truly manifested, I'll fill in the gaps:
>Reprobate (God of spite)
Mrs Flood
>Threefold deity of Malice and Mischief and Misery
Rogue and Jack and The Face of Boe
>Skin
Blon Fel-Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen
>Shame
The Master
>Secrets
River Song
>Incensor
The Meep
>Doubt and Dread
The things the Doctor and Donna met in Wild Blue Yonder
None of those are part of the Pantheon except possibly Mrs Flood. The Pantheon has only been able to enter reality as a whole because of the folklore-based trickery the Doctor and Donna used in Wild Blue Yonder. They're also literal gods with domains and dominion over concepts. Slitheen, the Master, River Song, etc. just have never been anything like that.
Sutekh wasn't part of the Pantheon before and now he is. The Osirans were their own race on Phaester Osiris. Seems like the Pantheons takes applications from sufficiently powerful beings, as well.
>homie, if you are over 25 and still fooled by RTD, I'm surprised you aren't typing with one finger.
Who said I was fooled? I was banking on Sutekh returning for most of the season and the title of the finale "Empire of Death" sealed the deal for me. I still enjoyed the episode, even if it was all set-up and misdirection.
Toymaker was fun, Sutekh so far has done nuthin' wrong.
If they start making just.. every other character a god that'd just suck ass.
Well that's all part of the "Myths are real" spin. The whole salt thing might have literally altered time in a way that now a lot of powerful beings run on belief and were turned into gods.
Making Sutekh a god is a lot more interesting than just making like the master and slitheens and river song gods. That would just be doing the timeless child bullshit again but turning it up to 11.
>Who said I was fooled?
>goes on to describe RTD2 as "fun"
Yes, it might escape you, but even an episode the twist of which someone with the knowledge of 60 years of TV show and 30 of audiobooks can unravel early on can still be fun.
Big Finish runs on that whole shebang. You KNOW the Doctor can't die and you also know which villain will appear and you know they will be defeated. The episodes are still fun because they write strong character moments and witty comebacks.
>they write strong character moments and witty comebacks.
>RTD2
If you're genuinely entertained by this series, and consider it in any way to be Doctor Who, then nothing I say will ever get through to you, and you'd have a more edifying experience printing out this comment, rolling the paper into a cone, and sticking it up your bum.
>>they write strong character moments and witty comebacks.
I was talking about Big Finish, but do carry on...
>If you're genuinely entertained by this series, and consider it in any way to be Doctor Who, then nothing I say will ever get through to you, and you'd have a more edifying experience printing out this comment, rolling the paper into a cone, and sticking it up your bum.
I guess you haven't watched the series between 2005 and 2010. It feels very similar in tone.
>I was talking about Big Finish, but do carry on...
what's your favourite BF story?
>he's still googling "best big finish doctor who stories"
Not that anon, but Loups-Garoux is underrated as hell and probably the best werewolf story that Doctor Who has ever done.
If he says Zagreus or Scherzo it'll be funny as shit
Zagreus is the last time Doctor Who was pure fun
Here's that word again.
Incorrect.
The Pantheon can enter time at any point when they manefest, see Maestro for an example of that, furthermore Mrs Flood is known to Ruby's family for at least as long as they have been living in London.
It has been shown as well that a member of the Pantheon might be unaware that they are anything but human, and completely undetectable as non human by all of UNITs tests, which are presumably state of the art, look at how Susan Triad had no idea she was Sutekh just that she had some weird dreams. A catapulted has no idea it's a butterfly as they said in the episode.
Obviously something happens to Rogue/Jack to change him into the face of His when his is already in aging and immortal, that could be his full awakening as a god.
River probably knows but doesn't tell the Doctor yet, because spoilers.
Blon Fel-Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen would become a God after staring into the heart of the TARDIS then being regressed to egg form.
Which brings up another God, not mentioned yet: The Bad Wolf.
There is no way in he'll that Rose 1.0 was not a God when she became the Bad Wolf, seriously look at what she could do. But where did she get that power from? The TARDIS. Where did Jack get his power from? The TARDIS (via the Bad Wolf). Where did Blon Fel-Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen get her second chance and presumed God powers to go along with it from? The TARDIS. What has Sutekh's spirit form attached itself to? The TARDIS.
Seeing a pattern here aren't we? Clearly the TARDIS itself is a God and perhaps more powerful than Sutekh. Remember Rose 1.0 herself as Bad Wolf saying "I bring life..." Could the TARDIS be the God of life that can oppose Sutekh's God of death.
But Maestro only manifested "once" the stuff happened at the edge of the universe, same with the Toymaker.
>look at how Susan Triad had no idea she was Sutekh just that she had some weird dreams.
Susan Triad herself wasn't Sutekh though, the bat.. dog.. thing is. She's some sort of pawn or servant of Sutekh for him to speak through.
>Obviously something happens to Rogue/Jack to change him into the face of His when his is already in aging and immortal, that could be his full awakening as a god.
Won't happen because of the allegations, it would be pretty much suicide for them to bring back Jack now.
>Seeing a pattern here aren't we?
Yes, you want to make the show into a boring as frick mess where every other character is literally a god and the doctor is canonically space jebus flying through time jacking off on bad guys.
>She's some sort of pawn or servant of Sutekh for him to speak through.
but why is she random people throughout time? just a woman in a canteen that barely interacts with 15/Ruby. what's the point of this whole plan
Because she seems to be connected to the Tardis in some way. She's probably the consciousness of it (as we've seen before). Sutekh was using the Tardis and was latched onto it ("and he whispered to the vessel..."). She is the consciousness of the Tardis itself. When it came time for Sutekh to break through she then became that as Sutekh corrupted her (that is, the tardis).
right, fine, I get that. but still doesn't explain why she's some random girl's mum, and some random hiker, and some random canteen woman lmao
Because Sutekh has been shitting on the timeline for like years or some shit. Who knows. RTD is a hack and likes it up the arse.
wasn't it just sutekh baiting the doctor to investigate who she was, and then try and convince him that she was his granddaughter so he could trap the doctor?
okay yeah that makes sense
ish.
but he's wrapped around the TARDIS. he's a literal god. can't he just force the TARDIS to land in UNIT as they're watching a Triad broadcast and cut to the chase?
Execution aside, I'll give RTD credit for trying to create an epic scale to the finale. That's been missing since 11.
Series 8 and Series 10 had epic scales.
if you say so, Legend had the proper feel to it
Series 8 revealed the female Master and Series 10 revealed the Simm Master.
Didn't we already do the 'woke doctor who' thing like 6 years ago when woman doctor happened?
It happened when the companion was a black lesbian
It was the beginning of the end indeed.
I'm fricking bothered by the amount of exposition this episode needed to tie everything up, but I guess that happens when you have so few episodes. I feel like his old mystery boxes were slightly more winks to the audience and then it all got pulled together in one big reveal. This entire episode was the lead up to the reveal and it was really annoying that pretty much every fricking line was something the fans notice being paid off and it just came off as feeling poorly written. I am super fricking curious how Susan is still going to tie into this and who Ruby's mom is, because we're definitely going to get that. Same for Mrs. Flood.
>when you have so few episodes
it's because none of the elements are actually developed or set up, they only exist in their bubbles of adhoc exposition to justify the payoff they want. they'll realize oh wait we didn't explain x so let's do that.
oh frick off Sutekh we want CAROLE ANN FORD
We already got her back for the 5 (actually 4) Doctors.
that was decades ago and the other Doctors barely even talked to her! The Doctor has not fulfilled his promise to come back.
As someone who was on board with the Sutekh rumors from day one, I appreciated the bait and switch because I had no fricking idea they would actually do it considering how much time the episode spends fricking about giving us exposition. I'm super curious how they're going to tweak his lore since he never really was "the god of gods," but they could just be hyperbolic boasting from Sutekh. I do find it interesting that he literally did wait and there is a payoff from the 4th Doctor era with this one. I mean, he spent potentially thousands of years in a different universe just waiting to come back. I wouldn't be surprised if the ongoing headcanon is that he wouldn't have come through if he didn't run into the Toymaker
who is sutekh
i haven't watched anything before david tennant
RTDtoddler
basically the god of Incels
Alien with godlike powers, wants to kill everyone and everything to give them the peace and tranquility of deallth
thanos?
I'm not up to date on my capeshit but didn't he only want to kill half the people so there were more resources for everyone else?
>who is sutekh
>i haven't watched anything before david tennant
Literally an egyptian god of death, an osirian.
The osirians are super-advanced aliens who are also egyptian gods. Kinda like in Stargate.
He's still just a powerful alien. Nothing the Toymaker should be afraid of.
>He's still just a powerful alien. Nothing the Toymaker should be afraid of.
In BFA they've made Billis an entity that destroyed the Guardians and Osirians when they grew too big as it keeps the universe and time in balance.
And the Master was scared shitless of him/it.
GOOLD?
Not even Eccleston?
It's boring
I started watching again when they brought David Tennant back
I only watched this season hoping he would make an appearance
Not going to watch anymore
15 > 14
über-op alien god of death with ill-defined powerset. Got banished outside time in "Pyramids of Mars" in 1975. Only has shown up, severely hampered, twice in Big Finish, because if he bodily re-enters the universe, it's basically over. He seems to have returned with his body and spirit separated in this episode. His selling point is his voice actor, Gabriel Woolf, who is back for this finale as well.
They're gonna drag Mrs Flood thing into season 2 btw
Susan bros, we won.
>Susan bros, we won.
Won't that
actually disparage Susan thing...? And why not Ford?
We haven't won until CAROLE ANN FORD returns and not just for a flashback regeneration.
Meanwhile Seth in Stargate is just a charismatic goa'uld with a hippie host running a sex cult.
>tfw you will never run your own sex cult
wasn't one of the stargate actresses involved with nxivm
We want furgay viewers now
>Rtd gets Hollywood $
>tanks Dr Who so the Americans can't ruin it
How can one man be so based
oh my god.... i see now.....
He is the chessmaster. He will continue to make Dr Who poison to Hollywood like the Amblin era did with McGann. Saving dr Who and giving us hours of Big Finish
Beep the Meep was b***hing about his Boss getting the Doctor.
Did Anubis hire the fricking Beep?
* Seth
so he's straight up admitting he's a shill then
What do you get for shilling.
Bet it's really lame shit like merchandise, dvds, maybe a ticket to some event. Almost certain that it's not millions of dollars in BBC marketing money, they wouldn't have that much to play with.
That's why fricking with audience goodwill has been an error. Family favourites market themselves.
They NEED to cancel the show again. Or at least ban RTD from ever working on it again.
Too bad RTD is writing a 3rd series.
Disney might not pick it up
What would RTD do about it then?
Please say sike
A 3rd series that hasn't even been commissioned.
I was going through classic serials when they dropped on iPlayer last year and skipped Pyramids of Mars because it has a ridiculously boring first episode.
It's a fun one
a lot of stories of that era do
What's the issue, it's got plenty going on
honestly always thought it was overrated, there's way better serials around that time imo. never got why people consider it such a classic
Oh yea? name 5
Best new character of the series is Ruby's mum. Not the mystery birth mum, but the black lady
I remember when the christmas special trailer dropped and someone here mistook her voice for Ncuti's.
I prefer Ruby's Mum's Mum.
Also the black lady.
>OK Ncuti, you've just found out that an ancient evil has returned, so what are you gonna do?
>I was thinking ill just stand there with my mouth open for 2 minutes
>....right
At least he's not crying.
:O
he doesn't even know who Stuekh is so of course he can't emote
His favourite villain is the Beast.
RTD is a graduate of English literature from Oxford University.
>Really Doctor, you really thought it'd be your granddaughter? You haven't spoken to her in years. It was I, Sutekh catfishing you across all of time and space! And to make matters worse, I've been squatting on your Tardis for nearly a year now!
put your helmet back on, you ugly motherfricker
>Fine Doctor, but let it be known. It was I who raised Lindy Pepper-Bean. It was I, who sent her to the colony of space racists. Why Doctor? Because I knew you would show up there and I wanted to watch from my throne, -your- Tardis as you got rejected for being black and unable to save those people.
Actually yeah, that's a point.
If Susan Twist's only biological relation is Lindy.
Did Sutekh set up up the events of Dot and Bubble?
Sutekh's most evil moment is engineering a racism
Should we expect the vore slugs return in Empire of Death?
LOL Sutekh watched the black Cleopatra documentary and did this because he thought he was next
Shut the frick up
has he been pissing and shitting on the TARDIS?
it’s over. i’m a massive rtd fan and i can see it. this format is exhausted. there’s nothing left in this. the heights we all clung to before now we’re really. the. genuine heights. that was it. i enjoyed it all, but it’s over. let go
>"Honey you might be the God of Death, but I'm the God of Time"
>15 presses a button and reverses all of Sutekhs evil magic and the dead people start coming back to life
Wake me up when they bring back Vislor Turlough
I could honestly see that happening, the Black & White Guardians seem right up RTD's alley and would fit right in with the gods and magic slant he's going for. would be a good excuse for a Turlough cameo
This time Turlogh actually goes through with it and kills the Doctor. Would be kino
He was such a chud
Really good episode, only have minor nitpicks. This series would've been so much better if there was a better lead up to Sutekh and god related stuff.
Millie has nice feet.
Guys GUYS GUYS THE SENSORITES JUST FRICKING TOOK SUSAN, IT'S OVER, SHE'S GOING TO BE STUFFED WITH BSC AND NEVER BE THE SAME. THEY ALREADY BORED OUT THE TARDIS, HOW CAN SUSAN HOPE TO WITHSTAND IT?
>"This is Season ONE of All-New Disney Doctor Who!"
>proceeds to bring back a 50yo one-off villain
Genuinely, what the FRICK is RTD thinking?
>my names schschschcsh im 13 schshcshcshcsh shccshcshhschcschshcs
what did he mean by this?
young sheldon
A gay black Doctor, a mocha troony and a midget with a bow-tie. This is truly the apex of DEI.
Jason wants a piece of THAT.
The way it bounds towards the tardis was freaky.
This was fun. But why call this a refresh of the series and throw in so many callbacks ? If I was new I’d be so lost and on top of that you can’t watch old who anywhere but the uk. So while the reveal was a great climax, without context or context to create by revisiting old tales. It’s pretty much a nothing burger. Even tennant fans would be lost in this fan wankery. If rtd was smart he should’ve just used the beast seeing as it’s a famous 10th doctor story and would close out a long mystery of who the doctor met. Just seems like wasted potential . Plus all the hell references and Christian allegories. Was it too much to go back and dig up your own villains instead of dragging out other villains that were much more cloister to what you were trying to portray
That's the issue, back in 2005 all of the lore had to be slowly explained because the BBC was afraid of the show being too nerdy. Now Disney demands RTD to
>Reintroduce Doctor Who basics
>Forcefully recreate the Superwholock tumblr fandom golden age by making the show 200% gay
>Bang and scream LOOK WE GOT 40 YEARS OF DOCCY WHO ON DISNEY+ WE GOT EGYPTIAN GODS WE GOT ADRIC WE GOT SPACE CLOWNS GO CONSOOM to make sure they make a return on the investment they made to put it all on streaming
All in an 8 episodes series with reduced airtime
episode was uninteresting until the last 10 minutes, then we all got blueballed. time to wait a week to see what the frick happens, also im tired of this 8 episode shit and they feel so short.
I've been saying they should bring back Suetek ever since I saw him in that "Scariest Doctor Who villains" youtube video
This episode was not worthy of being the second to last episode.
>Character telling Rose/Jason how beautiful (s)HE is
Still doing this huh?
This is an ugly show written by ugly people for ugly people. Why do you expect anything different?
Lies
This is a show for Chad and Stacy
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>glasgow doctor who society
imagine the smell
It would be blue cheese sauce level
Specially on some of the more autismo troony units
But nerds love wailimg on lesser nerds
Did you know I had sex
How do I join a group like that? I mog like 70% of the people in that video and I need a confidence boost.
They probably have an amazingly honed sense for sniffing out high functioning weirdoes who want to clumsily Dark Triad their eay into the pants of the top 10% of females there.
And he's still trying to pass as a FIFTEEN year old
>"Sutekh honey, your dog-face butt forgot one thing..."
>The Doctor presses a button sending Sutekh through a cgi portal
>"...I'm the real badest b***h"
>Sutekh darling, do I look like Brendan Fraser to you?
>Take your dusty, scroll reading, sarcophagus snoozing ASS back to space because your Pyramid scheme is over!!!
*eats cornstarch*
*farts jizz*
*jives*
*tosses caber*
Calling it now, the doctor finding his gay fling is going to be the overarching plot to the next season.
I said in another thread that part 1 of RTD finales are usually pretty good before shitting the bed in part 2.
I would like to publicly apologise for being so wrong.
PART 1 SHIT WITH GOOD ENDING
PART 2 GOOD WITH SHIT ENDING
I cannot fathom how anyone can actually sit down and watch whole episodes of this shit. Anyone still watching after how bad 13 shit the bed has some kind of mental disorder.
Honestly I was just enjoying the milf eye candy lmao.
I need Jodie pussy so bad
>RTD is now begging people to sniff his farts
>"If it's not Susan, then the general audience aren't gonna have a clue what's going on"
>Blank faced during the "Sue Tech" reveal
>"Yep the Internet was right"
>"Umm that was a pretty good episode. All set up though"
I wonder how many cinema tickets the midnight screening will sell now?
>Harriet Arbinger is... HARBINGER
Moffat-tier writing (derogatory)
Oh boy lads I can't wait for the next episode to be just the worst dogshit you could even imagine as they laugh in our faces over the fact that this godforsaken show will never just fricking pull the plug
so what the frick happened to her? She's not even acknowledged in unleashed and RTD says that they had a space for a new scientific advisor
She fell into a dumb waiter
She probably just moved in after completing her spinobifida research. Would you want to stick around with a toxic boss like Kate who thinks you're faking your clear and obvious disability just to get a combat wheelchair.
This show kind of makes me want to violently shit myself.
Kind of like when gators try to out-macho a rocket taking off, whenever I see this show's current state I end up wanting to blast out my ass until I prolapse just to compete with how awful it is.
>see midge within the first 10 seconds
>close window
>OH MY SAGAN, IS THAT LE SURKESH (OR SUKECH, IDK I JUST GOOGLED IT), A ONE-TIME CHARACTER FROM A 1970s SERIAL THAT NOBODY HAS WATCHED!?!!
sutekh deez nuts
>an entire episode of exposition
felt like a chinball episode
as dumb and gay as RTD's Master was, the whole "villain disguises itself as human" thing had an obvious purpose, with Simm becoming prime minister to enact a wider plan
what was the point in sukesh disguising itself as a tech CEO? was it ever explained what the plan was there?
they didn't even tell us what triad technology was
Did people guess the YANA anagram from the second it appeared in an episode synopsis, like they did with "Sue Tech"?
I don't think so. That was much more obscure.
>anagram
acronym
>it's a "RTD writes a script 5 years ago and doesn't realise his moronic parody is already outdated and besides the wider non-UK audience wouldn't have gotten the reference anyway" episode
>it's ANOTHER tom riddle/i am lord voldemort reveal
holy shit change the record you fricking hack
To be fair the vast majority of people don't religiously watch this show. They start with one doctor, watch for how many years, then forget about the show and move on with their life. To most people that twist isn't obviously recycled for the millionth time.
>the vast majority of people don't religiously watch this show
Given the viewing figures, the majority of people watching it (in the UK at least) are presumably longtime fans.
>Repeated motif throughout series
>Characters barely acknowledge it until the finale
>Mofit is revealed to be loosely connected to a returning villain (usually in a cliffhanger)
I'm so bored of RTDs style of season arcs. I'd argue it only worked twice (Bad Wolf and YANA). At least Moff actually had characters interact with his season arcs and when had them change over time (eg Rory getting deleted by the cracks)
pure comfykino
Comfy = you were a child when it came out
I miss when the bbc would release those in the us. At some point they kind of stopped though for some reason.
Guys, what if the twist is part 2 is so good at recontextualising the entire season that every episode retroactively becomes a 10/10?
it wont be
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the next doctor should be a shota boy doctor with blond hair and blue eyes and he will have two handsome teenboy companions a latino and an asian
We'll never know for sure but you just know RTD got the idea for this whole thing in 2022 or something when he read the name Susan Twist on a casting call list for mrs. Flood
>what did they cut?
One of RTD's free holidays
I figure they probably had some more scenes planned where they spot susan twist in the background of other adventures, but due to the limited number of episodes and runtime, it was cut (much like basically any moment that could've allowed an episode to breathe in this series)
Just watched Pyramid of Mars for the first time:
>Sutekh breaks free in the final minute
>Doesn't even get to escape ancient Egypt
>Trapped in time tunnel forever
>The end
>Its his only appearance
Why is he talked up by boomers as some amazing formiddable villain?
because reddit trannies have only seen clips on youtube and can't accept that classic who is mostly iredeemable slop except for a couple of stand-out episodes
>a couple of stand-out episodes
Which ones?
third-wave egyptomania inspired by feelings of inadequacy to the french during britain's 'sick man of europe' arc
>Why is he talked up by boomers as some amazing formiddable villain?
Nobody talked about Sutekh before the theory that the character might be brought back for this season, and even now the only people talking about it are the only people who still watch this show: redditor hype-reflectors with no self-respect and nothing going for them but attachments they grew during 2008-2016.
You kinda weren't active in the fandom away from the TV series, were you?
Yeesh. Not part of the main range? Not even part of a popular line like unbound or brought back for the war doctor stuff or the time war?
Bernice Summerfield. kek. Literally on a lower level than fricking jago and litefoot. get out of here.
Omega was a tongue in cheek meme, as was Sutekh. Nobody really cared. kind of like using the Rani now.
You also managed to forget that Bernice Summerfield became the Unbound range afterwards.
(And Sutekh came back for a two-parter in the Fourth Doctor Adventures afterwards as well)
Trying way too hard. Not interested in some 22 year old from r/gallifrey trying to tell me how groundbreaking Pyramids of Mars was.
Could you be any more wrong.
>I'm not interested in
>could you be any more wrong
even your boilerplate sardonic responses don't make sense at this point.
It might be because I never said anything containing the words "I'm not interested in". You're speaking to a minimum of two people at this point.
Also
>boilerplate
What, you want me to come up with wholly original expressions of how you're boring me? Obviously I'm not going to dox myself and I have little way to prove I am not the things you say, you'll just have to take it as read that I'm a tad bit older and also not subscribed to r/gallifrey.
>It might be because I never said anything containing the words "I'm not interested in"
well, generally when talking to people, you respond to things THEY say, so it doesn't matter that YOU didn't say those words. I did.
>What, you want me to come up with wholly original expressions of how you're boring me?
Not really. You could just stop posting. Nobody would care.
>dox myself
little bit out of left field
>you'll just have to take it as read that I'm a tad bit older
homie, if you are over 25 and still fooled by RTD, I'm surprised you aren't typing with one finger.
No it was legit. Classic fans love Pyramids of Mars.
>kind of like using the Rani now.
>now
The Rani, Sutekh and Omega were always rumored to return at the same time.
moronic revisionism. Every twist was Omega, the Rani, and the Valeyard. Nobody mentioned Sutekh, because Sutekh was dead.
>Literally on a lower level than fricking jago and litefoot.
>Literally on a lower level than the best, most tightly written spin-off they ever did, boo bloody hoo
Now, if you had said Lady Christina, then you might have had uttered scathing criticism, but this is actually praise.
>unbound
>popular
Old school doctor who forums pre its trannification were always theorising about which character this year could be Sutekh or Omega returning.
The chances of getting Omega back are getting slim though, given both of his voice actors passed and, yet again, the menace the characters held was mostly down to the excellent performances their voice actors turned in,
So Sutekh and the Beast are the same character now.
>RTDs husband dies irl
>Creates biregeneration so there's copies of every Doctor out there and there's no finality to the versions
>Adds a wheelchair ramp to the Tardis (and makes Davros not a wheelchair user) because his husband had to use a wheelchair as he got ill
>15 meets Ruby in a nightclub the same way that RTD met his husband
>Makes the Doctor have a gay (male) romance
>Makes the big bad of his first season back, Sutekh, the personification of DEATH (which they will no doubt defeat and reverse the effects of in the next episode)
Russell mate, please go to therapy
how much you wanna bet Ncuti gets to yell EVERYBODY LIVES next episode as some sort of RTD trauma dump?
>find episodes online on video sharing sites
>they all have non sequitor names to bypass getting dmca'd
Lmao
>people making onion faces over this
lmao even the Gods of Ragnarok were more memorable, not that any of the people cheering for this has actually seen the classic.
also:
>not a single mention of the fact there is another Doctor chilling nearby in the same time period the episode is set
Peak writing.
How many normies were sat there confused as frick at who the dog guy was?
Anyone still watching knows.
My sister text me and asked me if he was something to do with Davros.
Unfortunately the episode was a good setup, and I loved how blatantly Classic Who the ending cliffhanger was. You are all pathetic sad jaded losers who need to go to therapy
Amazing how Moffat's run has aged so much better than RTD's despite being universally hated when it aired
>Series 1 Daleks
>Series 2 Cybermen and Daleks
>Series 3 Master
>Series 4 Daleks and Davros
>Specials Time Lords and Master
>Series 5 Fricked up Time
>Series 6 Fricked up Time and The Silence
>Series 7 The Great Intelligence
>Series 8 Missy and Cybermen
>Series 9 Time Lords and The Doctor going pussy mad
>Series 10 Missy/Master and the Cybermen
>Series 11 Tooth guy
>Series 12 Timeless Child info dump and The Master (and sort of the Cybermen)
>Series 13 Crystal headed couple (and sort of the flux and Time or whatever)
>Series 14 Sutekh
Kinda miss the Dalek as finale villains tbh
series 7 was more like literally everything because the 50th and the time of the doctor are still sort of 7 adjacent but it ends up with the daleks
I don't.
So that God of Death thing was true?...That means The Doctor will be revealed as the God of Time then.
Making The Doctor, the God of Time, would be worse than The Timeless Child stuff. Making him a God instead of a slightly below-average Time Lord is so gay but fits RTDs obsession with making The Doctor into Space Jesus
In the old books (it's been years since I've read them so I might be wrong) Deaht and Time were Eternals that had champions.
The Doctor was the champion of Time and the Master was the champion of Death.
That might make the Doctor too special but at least it's not the same as the Doctor actually being a God himself.
I'M reminded of 'The Beast' from the impossible planet/the satan pit and it worked out so much better to not actually bring back Sutekh but create a spiritual successor instead.
It also helps that they bought back Gabriel Wolf to voice the best as well.
Toymaker, Sutekth. Who else like that is there for RTD to bring back? Guardians? Omega? If Moffat had already not done so I wouldn't be surprised if RTD2 played the Great Intelligence card.
I also enjoy that RTD is bringing back villains the TV series hasn't touched in half a century, even though it throws their appearances outside of it since then for a loop. I'll survive that, too, if they're fun now.
>if they're fun now.
>if
Omega is the obvious one
The Doctor is the Timeless Child who technically created the Time Lords.
The Doctor will be revealed as The God of Time.
Maybe bring back Omega, as they created the Time Lord culture. Now we know from The Doctor
That would be great!
Is there a webm of Sutekh to save me from watching the episode?
Here, have the ending.
Will RTD kill the troon and the midge?
Sutekh's redesign is absolutely god awful. Looks like a giant cybernetic bat with a dogs head.
SAD!
I can only see a donkey
an Ass or Donkey is the animal that usually associated with sutekh.
so that's lore accurate.
Would've looked better if he was wearing the mask.
Wheres beforehand it looked like a horse with clipped dog's ears...
>cybernetic
I was thinking he's a Cyberman when I saw OP pic.
I thought it was kinda cool..
In the preview at the end of Unleashed he looks like an armadillo
I haven't watched since the christmas special
how pandering is the show now? There were a lot of eye rolling moments in the 3 specials
>how pandering is the show now?
>Sutekh? Sorry I'd love to help but I've got a pottery class in 20 mins
>Shooty Gyattwa: I can't do this alone...
I dreamt my name was "Tennant". Weird shit.
>the Tardis is guarded by a giant dog and we can't use it anymore? If only there was another nearby
I do not get the reasoning behind bringing Sutekh back, or at least the way they have. Unless you are familiar with Pyramids of Mars then this is a meaningless return; it is not as if they layed the foundation for his return for the audience lacking familiarity. It is a move that does not bring back the audience they have lost that only know NuWho. No doubt a bunch of hack 'journalists' and shills on Twitter are pretending they know who Sutekh actually is and how this is brilliant.
Can't stop laughing every time that little kid comes wheeling in on that fricking segway.
Hope they put him on a tricycle next week.
let's play a game
why does no one mention that hell is canonically real in dr who now
it is? I think I missed that bit.
I thought it was introduced in the books but the new series wanted to make it clear there's no afterlife, especially in Torchwood.
We've suspected here that after his husbands death RTD wants to lean a little towards spirituality.
When the UNIT guy disappears in the new episode he explicitly says that he's in hell and that (presumably Sutekh) has seen inside his soul.
do the elder (lovecraftian) creatures count as the same type of gods?
beings like Animus, Fenric etc.
Where's The Master played by disabled comedian Rosie Jones?
RTD says that Doctor Who had always had a large gay following but I'm starting to think he meant mostly 80s Who.
When it was really over the top & Campy and sort of shit.
Omega return when?
The Rani return when?
Why is UNIT employing literal kids as part of their top team?
The Prime Minister can't walk into UNIT but a 15 year old troony or 13 year old midge, sure!
qrd in last episode
"It was....the wrong.....anagram!"
SUE TECH is not a fricking anagram. It's a pun. Can someone check Rusty's scripts?
doctor arrives and is convinced mystery woman is actually his granddaughter because her name is susan and she runs a company which is the anagram of tardis
there's a dwarf on a segway and donna's transgender daughter returns. ruby cries a lot.
sutekh is revealed as the big bad
>doctor arrives and is convinced mystery woman is actually his granddaughter because her name is susan and she runs a company which is the anagram of tardis
red herrings for now?
>Sutekh - "Your parents will use the name Jason when they bury you"
Jesus Christ Russell, that was a bit far
So the one who waits is Sutekh, who chilled out attached to the TARDIS for months... for some reason. Susan Twist is one of his minions, who appears all over the place... for some reason. For his grand reveal and return, his elaborate plan includes a tech company ??? and some random lady called Susan, as the trap. He also hired a graphic design person for his logo/branding? (Someone tell RTD how anagrams work. "It was the wrong anagram." SUE TECH =/= SUTEKH)
Feels like RTD started with "lol Sutekh... Sue... could have a tech company..." and worked from there but it's all so random. I have many questions, the main one being, oh who cares?
>episode opens straight into the plot, zero build up
>lenny rush is fricking irritating
> Mrs Flood is hiding away. 15 says regeneration can be used to hide away. She knows Sutekh is coming
>Mel felt bland
>at least we didn't get WALK LIKE AN EGYPTIAN
>RTD trying to recapture his Yana reveal but none of it makes sense, but go with it cos Murray Gold blasted louder than ever
>where is 14? Just sitting this one out?
>good of them to make S1 a season for newbies and then make a reveal about someone from 49 years ago
I wish we'd got walk like an egyptian, at least I'd remember that
instead I don't remember anything before the speech, and even then I only remember the speech because I was comparing it to the one from series 2
>walk like an egyptian
maybe next week
This episode basically confirms that the widely held headcanon that 14 eventually regenerates into 15 is a load of crap.
15 asks Rose how he is, even though he should have memories of all these events
>This episode basically confirms that the widely held headcanon that 14 eventually regenerates into 15 is a load of crap.
>15 asks Rose how he is, even though he should have memories of all these events
Salt at the end of the universe.
The first black Doctor isn't actually the Doctor but a clone of the original (i.e. real/white) Doctor, like a worm cut in half becoming two worms.
>at least we didn't get WALK LIKE AN EGYPTIAN
That's a negative, though.
For a man who decided to reboot the entire show for new audiences, he sure does like to lean on shit that hasn't been relevant in 40 years. I guess he thinks that kids will assume they're his creations, or something.
>doctor sees the same woman everywhere
>well I guess I should go to UNIT to help me track her down!
Why didn't he do this with Clara
https://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/the-legend-of-ruby-sunday-review
OMG IS THAT A RETURNING MONSTER FROM 1975
I'M LITERALLY SO HYPE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS BEFORE I WAS BORN AND HAD NO LASTING CULTURAL IMPACT UNLIKE THE DALEKS AND IS A LITERAL WHO
I'M GOING TO GO ON THE WIKI AND LOOK UP SUTEKH RIGHT NOW AND LARP AS A CLASSIC WHO FAN GET HYPE GET HYPE GET HYPE GET HYPE AND CONSOOM
PYRAMIDS OF MARS GUY
OH MY BRIDGERTON GUYS
IT CURED ME OF MY DEPRESSION
SUTEKH GAVE ME CHILLS OMG
MAJOR 4TH DOCTOR VIBES GUYS
HE HAS SUCH MAVITAS GUYS HAHA
SUTEKH IS JUST LIKE MY EVERYTHING I STAN HIM SINCE I WAS A KID HIDING BEHIND THE SOFA FIRST WATCHING THE PYRAMIDS OF MARS
>19/She/They
direction on the church on ruby road fricked up so bad that when explaining the arc hints on unleashed they have to show filming footage side by side with the actual clip so we can tell what the advert even is
god i wish that christmas shopping was me
2004, RTD said how it was difficult to come up with titles that don't spoil the plot, because of how much Dr Who fans love to pick at every minute word and extrapolate the story from that
20 years later, we decided that Sutekh is involved because the word SAND came up
REGENERATE
REGENERATE
REGENERATE
REGENERATE