>doctor friends was a perfect angel who never did anything wrong
>evil weirdo wench came into his life and ruined everything
>"we knew she was bad from the start cause she was a loner weirdo"
this documentary actually reveals how horrible people are towards anyone who doesn't fit in with their established group, we literally never hear her side of the story, she's just demonized throughout, there's no concern to understand her reasonings or mental state cause "frick that weirdo who killed my friend"
femcel chud stacy you would receive a more sympathic response at crystal cafe
Been here since 07 or 08. Even I never thought we'd get this bad. Defending the person that murdered her child.
i'm not defending her actions i'm speaking against the characterization she is given in this documentary which is so overwhelmingly bias we are just made to see he as weird and evil, nothing else, i hate all true crime that does this tbh, even the butthole of the story has their own story
wow a child murderer is an butthole?
This can't be, she must have just been portrayed badly
She was wizrd and evil, proved it with action too
surface level understanding
We can't know her story, because she killed herself and her kid
Her motivations do not matter. Because of what she did. Of course it's bias, it never pretends to be anything else
You aren't intelligent for realizing it's bias.
Its not a genuine criticism to say a post death documentary made by a victims friend is bias
"Star wars is actually sci fantasy" wow
the documentary didn't care to understand her though which is my main issue with it, i understand the bias and the hurt of the director and his friends but it just annoys me that the framing of these people is just evil and weird, in actions yes that is true but what is the reason for them, they don't care to know so we must not also i guess
Turns out, the movie isn't about her reasoning. Its about the governments inaction.
Truly pathetic to simp over a know psycho baby killer
You need to talk to even one real woman.
playing devils advocate isn't simping, good or bad everyone has a story and i get tired of how reductive people can be when talking about true crime
There is nothing reductive about calling a baby killer a baby killer
It isn't the film makers job to cover every base
If you want to make a sympathetic movie about her struggle make it.
Stomping your feet because her victims best friend didnt do the same, is 100% simping
"Why did blackfish only show how evil SeaWorld was for abducting orca infants, why didnt they show SeaWorlds motives"
Everyone has a story, yours should end with you killing yourself
lol, i'm not making that movie, i just want to see this same story told through much less bias eyes, same with other true crime stories, offensive to the intelligence of the viewer to just say "this person, the person who did the bad thing, yeah they are evil and always were, nothing more to them, i am a good person for letting you know this"
you arent nearly as intelligent as you think you are.
probably not, i am intelligent enough to recognise when a documentary isn't telling me enough though and comes off too bias and manipulative, i understand why, but i don't have to condone it
what exactly do you want to know about a woman who killed her own offspring? what is it you could hear that redeems her actions? what exactly would you, personally, gain by hearing the same old babble about her terrible childhood and psychological illness?
and more importantly, what would the average viewer, the one this documentary, a consumerist product crafted to generate profit, is made for to enjoy, would want to know about such a woman other than what he already knows?
>what exactly do you want to know about a woman who killed her own offspring?
why she did it? what lead to her thinking that was the best case senario? why she killed the guy to begin with? what lead her to being so ok with killing someone she once loved? about her early life may have contributed to this? did she have anyone else in her life besides the husband and her friends? etc
>what is it you could hear that redeems her actions?
nothing redeems her actions, an explanation for why she did them is always welcome though
>what exactly would you, personally, gain by hearing the same old babble about her terrible childhood and psychological illness?
i see it as insightful, not something to dismiss as babble
>and more importantly, what would the average viewer, the one this documentary, a consumerist product crafted to generate profit, is made for to enjoy, would want to know about such a woman other than what he already knows?
no average veiwer is enjoying this documentary for starters and it definitely was not made for profiting off of initially according to the director, the average person might not care to understand the reasoning for why people do bad things but there are people in the audience who will want to hear a broad perspective and the director of this documentary certainly wasen't the right person to provide one cause he can't let himself be objective
How are we supposed to get any of that information related to her motives
SHES DEAD
Not once has anyone outside of you requested a broad perspective
Anyone else has a brain and understands that isn't the purpose of documentary
Deconstructing for the sake of deconstructing is beyond moronic
>How are we supposed to get any of that information related to her motives SHES DEAD
no shit, so me much just draw the conclusion that "she's evil and was weird" open and shut case i guess
>Not once has anyone outside of you requested a broad perspective
yeah, cause it's easier to dismiss people as evil monsters, much less comfy to think of the human behind the monstrous actions
>as a psychological layman, wont get anything out of some psychiatrist rambling about what exact winding in her brain was wired wrong
course i would, so would many people, that might make the conversations around true crime more nuanced than "well this person was evil and a monster" "yes, yes she was, nicely done guess, we really shut the book on that one"
>so i dont really get what exactly you expect this guy to create about a person he a) loathes and b) cant even get any more information about since shes dead and gone
i expect him to try and calm his bias or get someone else to do the documentary if he can't be objective enough
Yes we can draw the conclusion based on her actions. Killing your child is evil and weird. Actions are very clear
Its literally is an open and shut case
She was an evil human. Not a monster. A real person. Just like her victims
Again this is blantant simping for a dead woman
Do you simp for Dahmer? What other murderers do you demand to see a psyche evaluation for
i'm not simping for her, we all understand what she did was evil, i just want a boarder understanding of her as a person than what we were given in the documentary
even the dahmer series cared to do that while still showing him as evil
>i expect him to try and calm his bias or get someone else to do the documentary if he can't be objective enough
As already stated, a dozen times, this documentary isn't educational or about being objective
You are beyond moronic if you can't see the difference between normal documentary procedure and this movie
Is isn't a new piece. Its a personal account from a person directly involved
yes, i understand what which is why i'm saying it is a flawed documentary
dude wtf, again, she was mentally ill and there isnt a single professional way to determine what exactly was wrong with her since she is dead right now. i dont know about your super powers but a subpar filmmaker isnt able to examine the minds of dead people or force her shrinks (if she even had any) to have a chat about her.
i will repeat it for you pighead because after 33 posts, you still wont get it: yes she WAS evil, but there isnt a single way to determine WHY she was evil, because you cant ask her anymore.
NO SHIT
one way to try an understand her is to maybe talk to more people who knew her than just your friends friends who obviously loathe everything about her, simpler to just say "evil person who was evil, that's that"
you clearly have no experience in real life matters. how do you think this works, do you think people happily line up to talk about their besty the child killer on camera? no, no normal person wants to be associated with a person like this, because admitting you befriended, even trusted, a person like that hurts your own reputation as well. and even if you would find some sensationalist butthole who is willing to talk about her, this would just be some layman hearsay bullshit, and you would be in the same place right now, b***hing about how this film wasnt professional enough.
main point is it's a flawed documentary that doesn't care to explore a side it probably should making its bias seem obnoxious, it is possible to show an understanding of people without condoning their terrible actions
>it is possible to show an understanding of people without condoning their terrible actions
how exactly would it be possible in this specific case?
>mentally ill
>evil
buzzwords that really mean nothing. There was a reality that existed in her head that made her think that was the best course of action. OP is trying to understand that. Yes, we know it's bad and we know it was probably some kind of mental illness but that's our perspective. Her perspective was different and I think it shows a huge amount of empathy to try to understand past the surface level of "Oh it's because of this or that label"
moral relativism is also mental illness, anon. killing children is wrong, regardless what the voices in your head tell you. you will understand when you leave philosopy 101 and experience the real world
> killing children is wrong,
Yes but I'm not sure why you think that means there's an easy explanation for it. life is way more complicated than X happened because Y.
It could be totally unrelated to her relationships and she just snapped. The only way to prevent things like this happening more is to understand it.
you know ockhams razor? there is no reason to believe she was any more than a vile b***h whos grudge wouldnt even stop her from harming her own, defenseless flesh and blood. not everything in the world needs to be flogged to death, except if you want to appear like some contrarian ivory tower boaster
again, like the other anon already said, this documentary is more about the shortcomings of canadian legal framework and less about the murderer.
the woman was clearly mentally ill, had abandonment issues and a possessive mentality. you, as a psychological layman, wont get anything out of some psychiatrist rambling about what exact winding in her brain was wired wrong. besides, medical confidentiality is a thing even after ones death, so its not like her doctors are free to talk about her with anyone who comes by with a camera. so i dont really get what exactly you expect this guy to create about a person he a) loathes and b) cant even get any more information about since shes dead and gone
I can't fathom the kind of person that thinks it's an insult to their intelligence, that a documentary made by a victims best friend, for the sole purpose of informing people of the tragedy he experienced, doesn't show the murders side.
This isn't planet earth. Its not an educational documentary. It has to responsibility to show her side.
Its barely even a true crime documentary.
I can't imagine being filtered by a movie that's entire premise is just "it's sad that kid died"
It has no responsibility*
the purpose wasn't to humanize her and you can't reasonably expect the friends of the victims to attempt to do that, the point was to point out how terribly the state failed to protect the child. stop repeating your whining about the lack of humanization of the perpetrator in this instance, this is a terrible example for you to do that, i agree with you that its gay for other analysis's of criminal situations which often create a fiction when its marketing it self as something that attempts to shed objective light, but this was never what this documentary was marketing it self as.
You're playing devil's advocate.
I agree, I think it's wrong to portray people are nothing but evil monsters. We all do shitty things we have our own reasons for.
Extreme example but one that's literally close to home for me, and I'm autistic: adam lanza. I think it's highly probably in his own mind he thought he was saving those kids from a lifetime of torment like he had or saw others go through. While objectively that's not a good reason, it is a reason that makes sense. And the only way to prevent more of that kind of thing happening is to make sense of it. Not demonize the people that do it, do we not see how well that doesn't work by now? I lost count after sandy hook.
Should still be punished but we should be studying these people.
excuse me but how have you been here since then without noticing the chris watts threads?
you've been here for less than a day
Maybe she should've made her own doc?
YWNBAW
Hey dipshit, you shouldn't be self inserting as the murderer. She wasn't a loner like you. She had a husband.
Not having friends doesn't make it okay for her to kill her own kid
You should have a nice day
No one will miss you
nothing makes her actions ok, the was this documentary didn't care at all to be charitable to her is understandable, i just get annoyed by it cause it suggests she was never welcome in their lives anyway, they seemed to hate her from day one, that might just be their resentment of her showing through after the fact but it hurts the documentary
It only hurts the documentary if you're an autist who cant sympathize with human emotion
Any suggestions about how welcome she was, is made after the murders.
They have every right to be resentful
It isn't an educational documentary, nothing about it is supposed to be unbiased
the big 'reveal' where the screen goes red and scary music plays is the most dishonest piece of filmmaking i have ever seen and the director should be ashamed of himself
I agree with you OP, but this movie isn't a good example for what you're saying because it was done by people directly involved in the story so you can expect it to give a wider view on the story.
Questions of morality aside (she's evil), this is a dogshit documentary. Laughably bad
Won't someone PLEASE think of the child murderers?!
OP simping
have a nice day and take your homosexual family out with you, Black person transgender scum.
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