does anyone else feel like modern shows are pretty much always very strongly modern?

does anyone else feel like modern shows are pretty much always very strongly modern? as in, they rarely don't have aspects like technology or fashion reminiscent of the 21st century, and specifically the 20-teens and onward
>but they're modern, so of course they'd have modern aspects!
not necessarily, you can write a show without those things but i hardly ever see it be done, and especially when the show is set in a magical world, that world almost always has very direct analogs to our own modern technology and culture and aesthetics
why is this? why does it seem like nobody can, or wants to, write a world that doesn't have massive and glaring modern aspects?

also what are some post-2010 cartoons you feel are exceptions

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Amphibia made jokes about this, like the episode about the food critic and the message board. The gag was it wasn’t the internet it was a literal board in the town he put his review on.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean... Saying "haha it'd be weird if we did this" and still doing it anyway is kind of a cop out, but at least you could argue it's just similar in language and the joke is a meta one since only we modern folk would hear "message board" and think of the web although I wonder if kids today would, considering that's from before their era at least it's not as glaring and egregious as the pic in OP

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's nothing egregious about TOH's setting, it's meant to be a modern day fantasy society parallel to and with access to Earth, it had its own middle ages which were more primitive but it developed in lockstep partly due to having Earth tech appear there through various means.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And that's boring
          Finding an excuse for something doesn't make it good

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not an excuse, that's the setting they chose, you're free to find it an uninspiring setting or what have you but it's not an invalid setting to explore because you doing like it, it's not like it's based on existing property that it's butchering

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Let me rephrase
              It's boring, finding a reason/explanation/cause/whatever for something doesn't make it good

              >you're free to find it
              I will find it as I please, I find it to suck doodoo

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Let me rephrase, they didn't find an excuse, that's the idea they aimed for from the start, you not liking it doesn't make it bad or boring

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Having a reason that sucks makes it suck

                >you not liking it doesn't make it bad or boring
                I find it bad and boring and i don't like it cause it's bad and boring

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They want to make children and teens relate to the world they are watching. Think of it this way, a lot of cartoons are about the friendships the hero creates with people around them. You want the people watching to relate to that camaraderie, so you put modern aspects in the cartoon as a way to make a strong analogue to current world, and imply that "you too can have friends this good!"
    I don't see a problem with it. More adult stuff doesn't hesitate to go far away because the aim is different.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's moronic.... kids can plenty relate to something if the characters aren't constantly taking selfies and dabbing
      it's probably moreso the adults making these shows being morons who don't understand how children think and being unable to relate to something unless it's current

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don't see the world as it is anon. I have family members who got children recently. This is the world they live in. Tablets and smartphones are everywhere, and kids use these screens recently. They make tiktoks at a very young age. This is how the world is.
        They did this with our cartoons too. Just that you didn't notice it because it was your time being captured, so it seemed normal to you. Take an honest look at cartoons from the past and you'll see it too.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          how come this was never like this, tho? how come most 90s kids could relate to and enjoy media without hip slang or current tech of their era, and so did 80s and 70s kids... hell even during the early 2000s i remember watching stuff that wasn't modern, spongebob didn't have characters pulling out the most tech or using words like RAWR XD or AWESOMESAUCE, and every kid i knew still liked old toons or media set in fantasy worlds that had absolutely nothing modern in them.
          is this just a new thing, then? are 2010s and onwards kids fundamentally mentally different? or is it just that tablets and smartphones take up such a large portion of their lives that they can't imagine living without them.
          maybe that's it, maybe we could relate to media without that stuff because it was IN our lives, not ALL of our lives, whereas now kids practically live and breathe smart tech, so living without it is like living without a head.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think something changed in our world that definitely reflects in our current media, especially cartoons.
            I think you're severely underestimating the amount of tech in older cartoons, although yes it's much less front-and-center, that I'll concede to you.
            I think a fundamental difference is that I think that cartoons have accepted that for better and worse, tech is now a central part of our world. Before, the tech in cartoons was considered an outlier or a magical solution to a problem at hand, if not completely feared. Iron Giant is all about the fear of tech and the machine, for example.
            Nowadays, people have accepted the tech, and they realize it's a big part of children's and teen's lives. Our world changes and how people communicate definitely has changed with tech. People don't interact like they used to. Take a good look at how children and teens use tech nowadays and how it's just not the same, especially when social media is involved.

            >They did this with our cartoons too. Just that you didn't notice it because it was your time being captured
            I hate this constant "it happened in the past too you just didn't notice" gaslight. No, it really wasn't nearly this common 15-20 years ago.

            I have countless examples of tech being very prominent in cartoons, yet feeling normal. What you hate isn't that writers put modern tech and slang inside of cartoons. What you hate is the tech itself. That's the message I'm trying to get to you.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Oh please, you just want to convince me what I think and see isn't real so you can normalize this nonsense.
              Also
              >I have countless examples
              Doesn't matter, fact being presented is that we see it more now, or rather, it takes up a larger percentage of most cartoons as time went on.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not trying to normalize anything. I don't like it either. The first step of changing things is realizing the current state of the world. This is the state of the world as your children will know it. Children and teens of today only live with tech, and their avatars and their numbers on social media might as well be more important than their flesh. This is the reality we both live in, my friend. As a result, most cartoons reflect this reality.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Awesome thread anons!

                >As a result, most cartoons reflect this reality.
                Interesting point. In a sense, we can treat cartoons as a lens that lets us peer into the worlds of the younger generations-- perhaps even use it as a tool to rationalize (to an extent, of course) the ever-changing world around us *with* them in some regards. Very fascinating.

                >Take an honest look at cartoons from the past and you'll see it too.
                I can think of plenty cartoons from my childhood that opt'd to have their own style instead of just going, "Gameboys! Chatrooms! Beepers! DVDs and VHS!".

                Kids Next Door did a great job making all the tech part of the style. Avatar feels very "fantasy meets old world". Even something like Courage the Cowardly Dog who has a computer makes it a character; Courage isn't just going on an AOL parody and typing in an IRC chatroom for answers. He doesn't launch "Internet X-Plorer" or is looking stuff up on "Foogle", he just types into a green void. I don't think they ever had an episode making fun of internet companies and their frustrating customer service or anything like that; The Computer might as well be a talking encyclopedia.

                It's not that people are bothered by a character merely using the internet or holding a phone; it's when it's so clearly THAT product. Spongebob holding a grey rectangle is stupid, but seashells which is already a cute reference to "sending messages in seashells" is fun. I mean, frick The Owl House is already ripping off Harry Potter and even they still do smarter things like talking in the fireplace or letters via owls.

                I'm beginning to conjecture that cartoons meant to enhance the lives of the viewer has more analogs to real life-- like some sort of rope the younger viewers can latch onto and use to gain footing in the real world. Cartoons meant to tell a story or accomplish something simple like make the viewer laugh tend to be easier for all audiences to resonate with, even when they are decades old. Take star wars and spongebob for example-- decades old. Great for all audiences. You can argue there are hybrids, but the point still stands.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The big change you're not seeing is that modern tech was always there in cartoons about MODERN WORLDS.
              If something is set in 1995 in the inner city, it's gonna have 1995 tech and culture. If something is set in 2022 in the inner city, it's gonna have 2022 tech and culture. Naturally.
              What changed is that most media set in worlds that AREN'T like that, DIDN'T have that sort of tech or culture. Look at the OP image- Luz, a girl from out modern world who has modern behaviors and a smartphones, goes to a coool magical land based on ancient wiccan practices and aesthetics oooooh how different and exotic, I bet they'll have- Oh.... They have modern behaviors and smartphones.

              Old shows didn't do it as often, if something was set in an old, magical or fantastical world, characters didn't usually behave like they did in our world. If something was set partially in such a world, then only the characters from the modern part of that world behaves in such a way, whereas characters from the magical fantasy part behaved accordingly.

              Take for example Xiaolin Showdown, the show takes place in the modern world but the temple is still old and ancient, so dispite there being some tech, particularly Kim bringing in her own modern tech, the temple doesn't run on wi-fi and Master Fung doesn't get all hip n hollah-atchu with da kidz, mang.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's an interesting observation, and I think it just has to do, as I said, with the fact that maybe the writers don't see it as "just tech". They see it as an inevitable part of life. So it doesn't seem as egregious to just put it there.

                the OP post brought up "modern shows having modern aspects" because it's about cartoons not being able to escape their time
                i wasn't necessarily implying that 90's shows didn't have 90's aspects, i was asking why this needs to happen in general
                it's not
                >why do *only* modern shows do this?
                it's moreso
                >why do shows that are made in X only capable of having stuff relating to X?
                in this instance the example was modernism because that's the most common phenomena, don't go being pedantic about it

                You're trying to oversimplify the discussion. You're asking an interesting question only to run with simplified answers. The answer to your question always lies within our own world.
                You talk about escapism. What does "escapism" mean in a world where escape is at your fingertips, anyway? Think about this for a second. This fundamentally changes what media is about. Our escapism was the worlds created before us by people paid to do so and our imagination. What do you do when the internet does that job whenever you want? How do these cartoons change? This is the real question you should ask yourself at the end of the day.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You're trying to oversimplify the discussion
                i'm explaining to you exactly what my

                https://i.imgur.com/jYwtLvd.png

                does anyone else feel like modern shows are pretty much always very strongly modern? as in, they rarely don't have aspects like technology or fashion reminiscent of the 21st century, and specifically the 20-teens and onward
                >but they're modern, so of course they'd have modern aspects!
                not necessarily, you can write a show without those things but i hardly ever see it be done, and especially when the show is set in a magical world, that world almost always has very direct analogs to our own modern technology and culture and aesthetics
                why is this? why does it seem like nobody can, or wants to, write a world that doesn't have massive and glaring modern aspects?

                also what are some post-2010 cartoons you feel are exceptions

                question in the OP was, because i see that you people are running with a misunderstanding

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm expanding the discussion beyond your incredibly narrow question. You don't seem interested in any other answer than your own anyway, from reading your replies. The world is complex.

                >What does "escapism" mean in a world where escape is at your fingertips
                >What do you do when the internet does that job whenever you want?
                Is
                Is that how you think? Dear God, anon, nevermind kids, is (You)r brain ok? Maybe you're actually the outlier here and your expirience isn't as normal or natural as you think it is

                This is a real question. Back then, to escape the real world, you had to gather the perfect place to do so. In this case, it was going home in front of a TV and watch your favorite cartoon on a sunday morning. You don't have that requirement anymore, the only condition to escape is a smartphone and some 4/5G connection. This changes the world in a very significant way. Sorry that you see normal discussion about our world as a sign of brain damage.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What does "escapism" mean in a world where escape is at your fingertips
                >What do you do when the internet does that job whenever you want?
                Is
                Is that how you think? Dear God, anon, nevermind kids, is (You)r brain ok? Maybe you're actually the outlier here and your expirience isn't as normal or natural as you think it is

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'd argue that amity is a mean girl and this type of passive aggressive phone buttholery is what teen girls similar to Luz might have to put up with, and thus relatable to them.
                but amity fricks luz later so that probably wasn't intended as a message on how to respond to bullies.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did you read the post you're replying to?

                But also yeah let's be perfectly real here, shows like these aren't even made for kids, they're an ego project for the creator and her friends, kids are a secondary audience, given the crumbs of enjoying this if they can muster it
                That's the thing isn't it? You can argue all you want that this is done for kids, but it's not
                If cartoon history thought us anything, it's that behind every "kids are dumb they need shit dumbed down for them!" argument, is a group of very, veeeeery dumb adults, dumber than the kids, who assume that because they're morons themselves, all kids must in turn be downright braindead by nature
                This is done for the adults

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oftentimes "going to a fantasy world" is just a metaphor for expanding your worldview beyond your home life, common in coming of age stories. It makes sense that modern versions of this trope would include fantasy versions of modern amenities.

                I think it doesn't make as much sense if the story isn't about that, but isekai is just an annoying genre already.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Only the stupid and uncreative believe every instance of fantasy and things in stories that don't actually exist in real life and require them to imagine scenarios that aren't real, are actually metaphors for simple everyday things they are capable of perceiving
                It points to a simple, lacking mind, the inability to conceptualize theoretical and unreal scenarios, a comfort of sorts

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the inability to conceptualize theoretical and unreal scenarios
                this is why we have all these stories that are just direct analogs to real world stuff to begin with, uncreative writers
                these are likely people who would've legitimately no joke struggled with the breakfast dilemma

                i say 'would've' because every sub-80 IQ ape has already heard the meme and memorized the answer in their head so the test kinda became worthless now

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >are 2010s and onwards kids fundamentally mentally different? or is it just that tablets and smartphones take up such a large portion of their lives that they can't imagine living without them.
            Not "or", both. Kids born after nining leven had their brains fried straight out the womb and it's only getting worse.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Probably because TV shows in the 90s were made by 30-40 somethings and TV shows today are made by 20-30 somethings

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              this sounds correct. i suspect a number of things led to this change, such as lower salaries and the death of the layout department.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Probably because TV shows in the 90s were made by 30-40 somethings and TV shows today are made by 20-30 somethings

                from my experience, you should always be concerned when the general age group of an industry changes so suddenly
                if it goes from being mainly young people to being mainly older people, it likely means the industry is dying, fresh blood is leaving and the ways of the craft are soon going to be gone or forgotten
                if it goes from being mainly older people to being mainly young people, it likely means the industry has stopped relying on learned talent and is now trying really hard to capture people as it can, or is grooming people into it from a young age, relying more on credentials than observed experience or skill

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                probably closer to the grooming. if you pay $bigdollar to go to calarts, you basically have to get a job in cartoon industry even if pay and work is shit. or you might as well have flushed that money.

                meanwhile, older people demand higher wages so they just replace them with the young people who'll work for peanuts because they want to be the next craig mcracken or whoever.

                Did you read the post you're replying to?

                But also yeah let's be perfectly real here, shows like these aren't even made for kids, they're an ego project for the creator and her friends, kids are a secondary audience, given the crumbs of enjoying this if they can muster it
                That's the thing isn't it? You can argue all you want that this is done for kids, but it's not
                If cartoon history thought us anything, it's that behind every "kids are dumb they need shit dumbed down for them!" argument, is a group of very, veeeeery dumb adults, dumber than the kids, who assume that because they're morons themselves, all kids must in turn be downright braindead by nature
                This is done for the adults

                sure i read it. they want amity to be the archetypical mean girl, but modern mean girls don't really bully face to face anymore. so they force instagram into the fantasy world.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What do you think of this? https://youtu.be/emQfEO8-c8c?si=Nfsn41EDWCgtbS8H

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Is this a new thing
            Anon I...
            What the frick are the TMNT bro ? It's always been a thing but it's not ALWAYS a thing

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They did this with our cartoons too. Just that you didn't notice it because it was your time being captured
          I hate this constant "it happened in the past too you just didn't notice" gaslight. No, it really wasn't nearly this common 15-20 years ago.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Take an honest look at cartoons from the past and you'll see it too.
          I can think of plenty cartoons from my childhood that opt'd to have their own style instead of just going, "Gameboys! Chatrooms! Beepers! DVDs and VHS!".

          Kids Next Door did a great job making all the tech part of the style. Avatar feels very "fantasy meets old world". Even something like Courage the Cowardly Dog who has a computer makes it a character; Courage isn't just going on an AOL parody and typing in an IRC chatroom for answers. He doesn't launch "Internet X-Plorer" or is looking stuff up on "Foogle", he just types into a green void. I don't think they ever had an episode making fun of internet companies and their frustrating customer service or anything like that; The Computer might as well be a talking encyclopedia.

          It's not that people are bothered by a character merely using the internet or holding a phone; it's when it's so clearly THAT product. Spongebob holding a grey rectangle is stupid, but seashells which is already a cute reference to "sending messages in seashells" is fun. I mean, frick The Owl House is already ripping off Harry Potter and even they still do smarter things like talking in the fireplace or letters via owls.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lol, you so clearly are forgetting so many cartoons who did that shit
            look at

            This isn’t the first thing brought up at all, the first thing brought up was an example of a show joking about this trope.
            [...]
            I didn’t even say you’re getting old as an insult, didn’t think you were that fragile but this isn’t anything new shows often are very much of there time like look back at old shows X-men evolution has very 2000’s with the spice girls episode, PepperAnne was very 90’s with the rollerblade and arcade lifestyle. Even recess had an episode about Pokémon cards during its first craze. Shows have always done this kinda thing.

            that anon captures what really happened, you can't take one random cartoon and take it as example. Look at the past as a whole and you'll realize the truth, that it's always been a thing, and that the thing you hate is *current thing*, not the practice.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nobody is saying it never happened but that it happens WAY more than it should in settings that don't fit.

              Of course Doug or Pepper Ann is going to be very rooted in the 90's. But does Amphibia need to be? Does The Owl House? Does Steven Universe need to? Even The Ghost and Molly McGee could go the entire show without making a reference to YouTube as "BooTube" and it would be fine. Beetlejuice had a TV and it felt like it's own, unique surreal TV that was part of the style of the show. It added more charm by doing that. Molly McGee could've done something like that but they choose not to.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You seem to be very precious about settings and their "integrity" without wondering if there's another reason.
                There's no such thing as "fitting" when it comes to creative stuff. A creator makes a world and that's it. There's no established canon, they're cartoons. They are the product of their times even if "current times" are not the focus. I think creators care more about the message being delivered, rather than the integrity of their world, for better and worse. And I think it's better that way, I generally dislike emphasis on muh world and its rules regardless of the medium.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You seem to be very precious about settings and their "integrity" without wondering if there's another reason.
                nta but you say that like it's a bad thing
                yeah we want shows to have a solid setting and theme and don't like it when the visuals and worldbuilding break it why are you bum bothered by this
                >There's no such thing as "fitting" when it comes to creative stuff
                uh huh...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >complete strawman and point i didn't make
                Uh huh...

                >You seem to be very precious about settings and their "integrity"
                >There's no such thing as "fitting" when it comes to creative stuff
                >I think creators care more about the message being delivered, rather than the integrity of their world (...) And I think it's better that way
                >I generally dislike emphasis on muh world and its rules regardless of the medium.
                i think we're learning a lot about this poster
                mainly that his opinions are fricking shit and should be disregarded

                Listen, I'm not the one arguing for ages about how fictional characters having a clone of instagram in a fictional world is totally le bad because... it is!
                You guys are not the first ones to complain about muh modernism in muh children's cartoons and you won't be the last.
                Truth is, we're not the target audience anymore, authors push stuff from the real world into cartoons and have done so because believe it or not, this shit speaks to kids and teenagers.
                You want stale media that adheres to your preconceived notion of what a world should look like. That's not how any of this works, and if it worked that way, we would be stuck with really boring shit today. Most stuff you like is born out of complete perversion of previous media and an attempt to redefine what certain things look like.

                [...]
                >Hates theming, hates artistic integrity, said in previous posts that he considers scrolling on his phone to be escapism and so he doesn't need or desire good media, thinks the message is more important than good writing
                Holy shit dude what is this? Is he an industry member/shill or just a failed expiriment?

                >yet another strawman
                You guys are pretty psychotic and need a breath of fresh air. You laser focus on completely irrelevant shit. The most important thing about any piece of media is the message you get out of it, because that's literally the only thing that will survive in your mind in the end.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >we're not the target audience.
                That doesn't mean we can't criticize lazy writing like not even bothering to create a fantasy world.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Truth is, we're not the target audience anymore
                aside from the fact that this is blatantly false because this thread never exclusively claimed to only be about children's cartoons, and many children's cartoons ARE made with an adult audience in mind
                even if it's true
                so why even go on Cinemaphile? why discuss cartoons? why air out your personal opinions in an environment made for adults by adults? why say anything at all if you're not the target audience? why recommend my friend sushi if i'm not japanese? why drink milk if i'm not a baby cow? why do anything? shit let's all just sit and only consume things we are permitted to consume, close down Cinemaphile and go home

                Well, some cartoons are made for us in mind. Plenty in fact. I'm just referring to like, Owl House since you guys posted about this in the thread and took that as main example.
                You can always criticize, but you always gotta keep in mind that this shit is made for an audience, and that ultimately, perhaps this audience only will get it. You can experiment for yourself, I had my dose of reality speaking to teenagers who grew up with certain shows and having very different takes than I about certain things I considered egregious. That's when you take a bit of perspective with this shit.

                >The most important thing about any piece of media is the message you get out of it, because that's literally the only thing that will survive in your mind in the end.
                this homie was made in a lab i swear

                Let's talk about cartoons in 50 years anon. We'll see what survives: the fact that Wolverine made a joke about making a convertible for Cyclops in one of the episodes of the original animated series, or the fact that x-men teaches you about very important lessons that will stick with you for your entire life if you're open to the message. I'll be waiting.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We'll see what survives, [one scene] or [the overall theme of the show]
                What a disingenuous prick
                What do you remember more from Courage the Cowardly Dog, the way the setting was dark and dreary with the house being plopped down in the middle of nowhere evoking a sense of dread and loneliness... Or that one scene in episode 24 when the girl in the big hat taught Courage a lesson about not being scared of the dark?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you agree with me that the theme is more important. That's all I wanted to hear.
                Soon you'll realize that having an episode based on a fake internet service in an alternate world is less important than whatever message of friendship Owl House contains. And it won't be from me you hear this, but from the kids that watched the show. You'll see for yourself.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"I don't agree, here's an example of why what you're saying is wrong-"
                >"So you do agree!"
                Don't they teach you reading comprehension in whatever school you went to where they groomed you into the industry, o' shill brother?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're the one that can't read really simple points that people are making ever since this thread went up kek
                Feel free to live in your bubble. Times are changing, so are cartoons, so are the youth. You know, when they used to say that "cartoons are for kids, not adults", I think what they truly meant is that the ideas, messages, scenes and what they use to drive the messages won't appeal to you anymore. At least that's how I understand it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean The Owl House is exactly what I'm talking about like how they have social media that operated exactly like earth's social media.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Truth is, we're not the target audience anymore
                aside from the fact that this is blatantly false because this thread never exclusively claimed to only be about children's cartoons, and many children's cartoons ARE made with an adult audience in mind
                even if it's true
                so why even go on Cinemaphile? why discuss cartoons? why air out your personal opinions in an environment made for adults by adults? why say anything at all if you're not the target audience? why recommend my friend sushi if i'm not japanese? why drink milk if i'm not a baby cow? why do anything? shit let's all just sit and only consume things we are permitted to consume, close down Cinemaphile and go home

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The most important thing about any piece of media is the message you get out of it, because that's literally the only thing that will survive in your mind in the end.
                this homie was made in a lab i swear

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You seem to be very precious about settings and their "integrity"
                >There's no such thing as "fitting" when it comes to creative stuff
                >I think creators care more about the message being delivered, rather than the integrity of their world (...) And I think it's better that way
                >I generally dislike emphasis on muh world and its rules regardless of the medium.
                i think we're learning a lot about this poster
                mainly that his opinions are fricking shit and should be disregarded

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You seem to be very precious about settings and their "integrity"
                >There's no such thing as "fitting" when it comes to creative stuff
                >I think creators care more about the message being delivered, rather than the integrity of their world (...) And I think it's better that way
                >I generally dislike emphasis on muh world and its rules regardless of the medium.
                i think we're learning a lot about this poster
                mainly that his opinions are fricking shit and should be disregarded

                >Hates theming, hates artistic integrity, said in previous posts that he considers scrolling on his phone to be escapism and so he doesn't need or desire good media, thinks the message is more important than good writing
                Holy shit dude what is this? Is he an industry member/shill or just a failed expiriment?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Probably both.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                agreed, it's weird they never go for anything wacky or thematic even if they really wanna add social media and stuff
                it's just "youtube with youtube's culture" "instagram with instagram's culture" they just put a different name on it

                also the owl house is a story about luz coming to another world and she is constantly portrayed as being an outsider, even in her own world, and even moreso not getting this new one
                i mean realistically we all know this is so that the self centered writers can portray her as the quorky retroactively-autistic teen girl she is, who's not a *true* outsider but rather just their own ego boost but that's besides the point lol
                why did this 'other world' need to feel so much like our own? imagine if luz was the only one with a smartphone, needing to find a way to generate energy to charge it and then having access to a buncha info or tools no one else has, and using it to her advantage
                or if phones and the culture of social media in this world was super different and she truly couldn't figure it out, like if you had to go to some magical well and shout insults at someone you hate, and then those insults manifested over their head, like a weird magical form of bullying
                that'd be so much more interesting than "they vaguepost about her on instagram and make duckfaces. but but b-but see it's different because it's not 'instagram' is 'pisstagram' or whatever" so boring

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                TGAMM is a SoL comedy set in the time it was released so of course it's setting is very rooted in the modern day and the things that exist in it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So was Beetlejuice at the time of it being made and they still put more emphasis on The Netherworld's surreal atmosphere instead of kids getting Tamagotchi pets.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know how to tell you this but TGAMM is not Beetlejuice

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They’re very different shows, I mean one is basically a musical.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And TOH isn't Harry Potter, but you can see where the influences are and where they should've taken MORE influence from in order to make it a better show instead of just generic "my first fantasy story ever" forgettable kiddie toon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why should they have taken inspiration from an unrelated cartoon adaptation of a movie? Are you stupid?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Anon is so autistic he doesn't understand how inspiration works

                Jesus Christ lmao

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's a great point, anon, this stuff didn't just exist less, when it did exist it was also used sparingly

            But I'd like to bring up something nobody in this thread brought up
            Smartphones are thematically lacking

            If you wanna show a character delivering information, you have them go to someone's house, write a letter, or pick up a house phone and speak into it
            With smartphones... They just look at a brick
            If you wanna show a character being stuck in their own little world, playing a game on a handheld or reading a book.
            With smartphones... They just look at a brick
            If you wanna show a character looking up something, they need to find a scroll or ask around
            With smartphones.. You get it, it's a brick
            It just looks visually lacking, as well as characters constantly needing to tell us what exactly they're doing on the phone instead of showing it
            The "this always happened so stop talking about it" excuse stops working over time because when something changes enough in quantity, it begins also changing in quality, too much comfort is bad, too much simplification is bad
            People who use the "this always happened" excuse act like we're talking about, idk, having 1 cent vs having 2 cents, which in reality is more like having 99 cents vs having a dollar
            Yes the difference seems the same, but the change (heh) in results is enormous

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The "this always happened so stop talking about it" excuse stops working over time because when something changes enough in quantity, it begins also changing in quality, too much comfort is bad, too much simplification is bad
              >People who use the "this always happened" excuse act like we're talking about, idk, having 1 cent vs having 2 cents, which in reality is more like having 99 cents vs having a dollar
              >Yes the difference seems the same, but the change (heh) in results is enormous
              words of wisdom
              as an anon in another thread said
              >last week the water in my basement was up to my ankles, now it's up to my knees, it's not that it isn't happening because it happened in the past to, it's just that now it's worse

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So over all you do t like cellphones in cartoons.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why does it feel like the only point of your presence in this thread is to got'cha people's posts? we're not your enemies you don't have to do this

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How so? He said he dosen’t like the look of a cellphone in a cartoon and that while yes there’s been small examples of the show not giving a fully immersed feel, it’s more common in modern day due to things like they stated the cellphone. I think you’re reading everything I post like I’m yelling angry and I’m not. Sorry if I’m coming off as much but it’s not my intent. Is it because I’m making my responses short and summed up instead of a wall of text like this?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              this is an interesting post to me, because i read a screenwriting book once. it suggested to not have scenes where protagonists look through microfilm or books on their own, but have your protagonist talk to other people to recieve exposition instead.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's... Very odd.... What was their reasoning? Because I can see it being good in rare cases, particularly if the visuals aren't very clear, but usually it just feels jarring to have everything be said out loud

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                basically that it's good for a scene to have tension. with another character the protagonist can banter to build character, be impatient, and maybe the other person has their own agenda. which you can't do with someone just reading something off a screen.

                obviously there are exceptions, it was just a suggestion if the scene wasn't working. (the HTTYD scene where he looks through the dragon book is amazing)

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Harry Potter and even they still do smarter things like talking in the fireplace or letters via owls

            Harry Potter is isolated of the world and the latest movie Part 1 you have this culture shock "yeah, they live in modern London, no in 1500s"

        • 4 weeks ago
          Awanama

          The big change you're not seeing is that modern tech was always there in cartoons about MODERN WORLDS.
          If something is set in 1995 in the inner city, it's gonna have 1995 tech and culture. If something is set in 2022 in the inner city, it's gonna have 2022 tech and culture. Naturally.
          What changed is that most media set in worlds that AREN'T like that, DIDN'T have that sort of tech or culture. Look at the OP image- Luz, a girl from out modern world who has modern behaviors and a smartphones, goes to a coool magical land based on ancient wiccan practices and aesthetics oooooh how different and exotic, I bet they'll have- Oh.... They have modern behaviors and smartphones.

          Old shows didn't do it as often, if something was set in an old, magical or fantastical world, characters didn't usually behave like they did in our world. If something was set partially in such a world, then only the characters from the modern part of that world behaves in such a way, whereas characters from the magical fantasy part behaved accordingly.

          Take for example Xiaolin Showdown, the show takes place in the modern world but the temple is still old and ancient, so dispite there being some tech, particularly Kim bringing in her own modern tech, the temple doesn't run on wi-fi and Master Fung doesn't get all hip n hollah-atchu with da kidz, mang.

          >This is the world they live in. Tablets and smartphones are everywhere, and kids use these screens recently. They make tiktoks at a very young age. This is how the world is.
          >They did this with our cartoons too. Just that you didn't notice it because it was your time being captured, so it seemed normal to you. Take an honest look at cartoons from the past and you'll see it too.
          >If something is set in 1995 in the inner city, it's gonna have 1995 tech and culture. If something is set in 2022 in the inner city, it's gonna have 2022 tech and culture. Naturally.
          /Thread
          We get it OP
          You hate smartphone
          You hate social media
          You hate new slangs
          You want cartoon forever set in 60s - 90s

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Frick off industry shill and read the posts you're responding to, mine expressed my issue with modern cartoons

            The big change you're not seeing is that modern tech was always there in cartoons about MODERN WORLDS.
            If something is set in 1995 in the inner city, it's gonna have 1995 tech and culture. If something is set in 2022 in the inner city, it's gonna have 2022 tech and culture. Naturally.
            What changed is that most media set in worlds that AREN'T like that, DIDN'T have that sort of tech or culture. Look at the OP image- Luz, a girl from out modern world who has modern behaviors and a smartphones, goes to a coool magical land based on ancient wiccan practices and aesthetics oooooh how different and exotic, I bet they'll have- Oh.... They have modern behaviors and smartphones.

            Old shows didn't do it as often, if something was set in an old, magical or fantastical world, characters didn't usually behave like they did in our world. If something was set partially in such a world, then only the characters from the modern part of that world behaves in such a way, whereas characters from the magical fantasy part behaved accordingly.

            Take for example Xiaolin Showdown, the show takes place in the modern world but the temple is still old and ancient, so dispite there being some tech, particularly Kim bringing in her own modern tech, the temple doesn't run on wi-fi and Master Fung doesn't get all hip n hollah-atchu with da kidz, mang.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's just bad parenting really.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that's a bad world and you should neither be proud in it nor accepting of it
          "that's how it is" is not a reason to not be concerned

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >that's moronic.... kids can plenty relate to something if the characters aren't constantly taking selfies and dabbing
        How do you know? You are not kid anymore

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          do you
          not recall being a kid?
          do you not interact with any kids in your day to day life?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kids shows feature things that kids like. Kids like taking selfies and dabbing and their phones now. This isn't really rocket science.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              When I was a kid I had no issue watching and enjoying things that were written decades and even centuries before I was born.
              Kids learn what they do and don't like based on what they're exposed to. If all they're ever exposed to is stuff made in the last 15 years, then of course their tastes are going to be strongly biased towards modern things. How are they ever going to know if they like stories about Lancelot saving fair maidens, or cowboys fighting indians if they're never introduced to those types of stories?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How are they ever going to know if they like stories about Lancelot saving fair maidens, or cowboys fighting indians if they're never introduced to those types of stories?
                exactly
                it's like when people say
                >why aren't there more cartoons for boys?
                >boys don't watch cartoons
                >well why don't they watch them?
                >there's not enough cartoons for boys
                >well why aren't there?
                >boys don't watch cartoo-
                etc etc etc ad infinitum

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don't see the world as it is anon. I have family members who got children recently. This is the world they live in. Tablets and smartphones are everywhere, and kids use these screens recently. They make tiktoks at a very young age. This is how the world is.
        They did this with our cartoons too. Just that you didn't notice it because it was your time being captured, so it seemed normal to you. Take an honest look at cartoons from the past and you'll see it too.

        modern cartoons are created by adults for adults audiences. Modem technology in cartoons is jarring for old people that grew up before it, Homer Simpson use a Apple Lisa of 1983, in 1995 and the newer episodes have Bart with a tablet.
        I see a trend of avoid the modern world in western animation (Amphibia, Owl House, Hazbin Hotel, Digital Circus), put a excuse for avoid smartphones in the characters

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think its always been a thing, especially if it is a show that wants a younger target audience.

        If you want more of what you're looking for you're better off looking for a show that is made for an older audience. Or maybe just a more serious scifi/fantasy setting that is more disconnected from modern world setup. Like Arcane or someshit.

        Do you have any reason to think kids relate plenty without reflections of their popculture? Or is it more of a "I want to believe it" more than at least belief backed by cartoon ratings for the teen or lower demographics

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Kids still love Naruto and Naruto didn't have any trendy tech shit in it. I think there's some tech every so often but it's pretty removed from everyday life.

          Now Boruto.. Boruto's aesthetic is disgustingly modern. One more reason to hate it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Naruto would still be made for a Teen demographic not as narrow as a kids show. But yeah any fantasy/scifi in their own world would help in lowering the popculture.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It requires imagination to furnish an imaginary world.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don't see the world as it is anon. I have family members who got children recently. This is the world they live in. Tablets and smartphones are everywhere, and kids use these screens recently. They make tiktoks at a very young age. This is how the world is.
        They did this with our cartoons too. Just that you didn't notice it because it was your time being captured, so it seemed normal to you. Take an honest look at cartoons from the past and you'll see it too.

        >that's moronic.... kids can plenty relate to something if the characters aren't constantly taking selfies and dabbing
        How do you know? You are not kid anymore

        Kids shows feature things that kids like. Kids like taking selfies and dabbing and their phones now. This isn't really rocket science.

        Hi, zoomer here, early twenties. I hated the whole ipad baby shit when I was a preteen and I hated social media shit. I loved older stuff more. I felt patronized and made fun of whenever a cartoon had a kid obsessing over selfies or whatever.
        I liked technology but it was more tasteful. I was into older shit and asked my parents for an original gameboy when I was like 10.
        Not all kids are the same, stop generalizing everyone.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the OP post brought up "modern shows having modern aspects" because it's about cartoons not being able to escape their time
    i wasn't necessarily implying that 90's shows didn't have 90's aspects, i was asking why this needs to happen in general
    it's not
    >why do *only* modern shows do this?
    it's moreso
    >why do shows that are made in X only capable of having stuff relating to X?
    in this instance the example was modernism because that's the most common phenomena, don't go being pedantic about it

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You guys are so petty and clearly just looking for an excuse to b***h.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The writers are hacks, there I solved your problem.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hacks who’ve never watched or read anything that wasn’t more than a decade old and/or twitter-approved

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Op simply asks ''Did you guys notice how (thing) happens? Why does it happen?''
    >Everyone is looking for what Op "really meant", mincing through his words to try and find a personal hangup of theirs that isn't there, or projecting their own hangups onto him
    Ain't that always the way

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Subversive societies feel the need to attack the person rather than the point in an attempt to discredit them and their argument.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cinemaphile has been a shithole recently, it feels like everyone has an ulterior motive and nobody wants to discuss cartoons
        everything has to do with your ''side'' or political orientation or whatever group you think you're a part of or whatever.. whenever they see a post they have to think "alright who's the enemy? which side is OP with? who is he 'attacking'?" it's the same reason you keep seeing these "X side won Y side lost!" threads on here, or the "You don't like my thing? You must like this other unrelated thing, because I perceive them to be of opposite 'sides'!" it's all sidegayging everything is a fricking psyop goddamn I hate it here

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Cinemaphile has been a shithole recently
          I swear a read at least one anon saying this every single year.
          Just accept that this place was never good and that it isn't a recent phenomenon.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            do we need to bring back the water analogy again?

            >the water is getting deeper
            >you said that yesterday!
            >it's even deeper today
            >you said that yesterday!
            >ok now the water is up to my neck
            >you said it was deep yesterday!
            >it's flooded in here
            >you said it was up to your neck yesterday, clearly it was always fully flooded!

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              no, homie. my point is that this place has been underwater since like 5 years ago!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >5 years ago isn't recent in the grand scheme of the board's existence
                Oh ok, so a newbie

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The amount of time one has to be here to stop being considered a "newbie" by some of you gays here is so fricking confusing. What? Are you one of those gays who unironically call anons "post2006-newhomosexuals"?
                I've been in Cinemaphile since 2014 and, at least from what I can recall, this place went to shit perhaps during 2019. There was already some water-leaks before, but we got to the bottom of the sea during 2020/2021. Now, I even have barnacles on my back.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The bar was usually like 2-3 years since approx 2012 from what I remember, and became squarely put at "not after 2016" after the 2016 tourism
                Also 2019 is an odd year, why 2019? 2016 had an influx or annoying election tourists who bacame edgy /misc/shitters, and 2020 had an even worse influx of mindbroken Covid tourists who ended up flooding the place with normalhomosexualry.
                2019 seems arbitrary and I don't recall it being a unique year.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Also 2019 is an odd year, why 2019?
                I've a shit memory. I can't remember exactly when. I'm pretty much just choosing a random year between 2018 and 2020, which is when I start getting more annoyed with some anons here.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >and became squarely put at "not after 2016" after the 2016 tourism
                this
                before 2016 we just had a vague amount of years before individuals lurked and learned to behave, but after 2016 we just don't want any newcomers because they nearly all universally seem to suck
                frick off we're full

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >2016 had an influx or annoying election tourists who bacame edgy /misc/shitters, and 2020 had an even worse influx of mindbroken Covid tourists who ended up flooding the place with normalhomosexualry.
                I'm detecting a pattern here.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You wanna see a board that got hit hard by COVID tourists go to a Cinemaphile humor thread

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm starting to think everyone who says "[Thing] was always bad" is actually the problem trying to disguise the problem existing

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Starting to think-
              Always has been, pal

              >"Shut up stupid human, your house was always crumbling and your floorboards were always chewed up."

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm starting to think everyone who says "[Thing] was always bad" is actually the problem trying to disguise the problem existing

                Before this place got filled with political proselytes, it was filled with pedos and annoying autists. Now we have the three of them. Cinemaphile was never particularly great. It's getting worse, but it wasn't as great as some of you gays remember it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I will take pedos and annoying autists literally in every situation and every day of the year over politic**ts and normalgays.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, me too. But they weren't good. And now we have the three of them. Although I'll tell you that I can barely stand pedos; can't discuss some movie/show that involves a child (eg. Coraline) without some anons acting like creeps in the threads.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Eh, idk if e-girl/shotagays are the problem so much as people who just can't keep it in their pants
                Coomers in general have this issue, post anything with a woman in it and it's instant caveman UNGA BUNGA MAH wiener GET HARD

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                current day Cinemaphile is only good for you if you're a braindead moron who knows exactly which ritualposting you wanna partake it
                just post a template and wait for people to respond with their own templates, like monkeys in a circle pressing buttons, if you're happy with that, you'll do alright
                if you actually want to communicate and discuss anything, tough luck

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Good point. The thing is that I last saw e-girlgays doing that shit, so it was what it came to mind.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Eh, idk if e-girl/shotagays are the problem so much as people who just can't keep it in their pants
                Coomers in general have this issue, post anything with a woman in it and it's instant caveman UNGA BUNGA MAH wiener GET HARD

                Tbf it does seem like certain people do it more, and oddly enough it's the people with the worst fetishes, like e-girl shota gays or footgays
                I'm sure some loser will try and gaslight us just like the industry shill itt, about how "we only notice it cause we don't like those fetishes" but it's true, the fetish guys do it way more often. Also very hyperspcific waifu people for some reason, especially ones who's waifu happens to be a little girl.

                Maybe it's because they've already forsaken shame and this is the only place they can freely do this.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Regular show hardly ever used cellphones.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't that because the cell phone technology in Regular Show is just those giant 80s brick phones?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they aren't 'modern'
    they are 'now'
    meaning they have jokes and reference pop culture so much, that in 5 years time, they will be grossly outdated and age like milk
    'now' shows lack the quality to truly become timeless
    a real modern show knows when to lay it back with the references and "hello fellow kids" messaging that middle age writers seem to have trouble inserting into the story since they somehow forget they aren't kids anymore
    you have to have balance so that decades down the line your show will be timeless and still enjoyable without being confused about muh social media and le memes of probably defunct companies and ancient references for a future audience

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly I think you’re just old. I see people nostalgiagayging for shows like Gumball adventure time and regular show. I didn’t care for the Owlhouse but there’s people who clearly loved the show and don’t shut up about it. I think most of these shows will be remembered and loved.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is no retort less helpful, less genuine and more obnoxious than "No you're just old."
        It's on the same level of "No you're just crazy" of gaslighting people into thinking their observations aren't there.
        We notice that something has changed and we ask why it has changed, you can argue the change isn't necessarily bad, but to insist it hasn't changed at all is just annoying.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you put it well
      it's odd how i can watch many cartoons from old eras, no matter if it was 10 years ago or 60 years ago, and yes they're dated, but they're also good
      now it just seems like the current stuff overtakes the need for quality writing, it's all just thing we recognize instead of being good

      Honestly I think you’re just old. I see people nostalgiagayging for shows like Gumball adventure time and regular show. I didn’t care for the Owlhouse but there’s people who clearly loved the show and don’t shut up about it. I think most of these shows will be remembered and loved.

      >Honestly I think you’re just old
      every time
      every time someone brings up a criticism of something the first response is "you're old and wrong shut up shut up"

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This isn’t the first thing brought up at all, the first thing brought up was an example of a show joking about this trope.

        There is no retort less helpful, less genuine and more obnoxious than "No you're just old."
        It's on the same level of "No you're just crazy" of gaslighting people into thinking their observations aren't there.
        We notice that something has changed and we ask why it has changed, you can argue the change isn't necessarily bad, but to insist it hasn't changed at all is just annoying.

        I didn’t even say you’re getting old as an insult, didn’t think you were that fragile but this isn’t anything new shows often are very much of there time like look back at old shows X-men evolution has very 2000’s with the spice girls episode, PepperAnne was very 90’s with the rollerblade and arcade lifestyle. Even recess had an episode about Pokémon cards during its first craze. Shows have always done this kinda thing.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fact of the matter is, when people are dumb an uncreative they just cant imagine a world that isn't their own
    Even if they write fantasy or something, they can basically only write their own downtown New York lifestyle except with some fantasy elements

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >they rarely don't have aspects like technology or fashion reminiscent of the 21st century
    So your mind is blown, because a show set in 21st century looks like it's set in 21st century, rather than, say, victorian era England?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did shows in the 90s have all this 90s technology SHOVED in your face all the time?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not working buddy

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This you?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You'd like South Park wouldn't you
          They do this "here, take this and use it as a meme in your next online argument" bit a lot recently

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're genuinely upset that times have changed. I cannot think of a more fitting image to encapsulate your argument than this.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gen Z here. I can confirm that I was able to relate to series without constant use of Internet or smartphone. Like a lot of my favorite shows were made before that stuff became prevalent or are fantasy series.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >A grown adult, asking other grown adults on a website for grown adults: Boy I sure wish more media did a thing that I enjoy, sad they don't anymore.
    >A different grown adult, on a website for grown adults, for some fricking reason: It's not for you go away! Stop criticizing my- er- I mean this cartoon!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You wish KIDS media did a thing that you, AN ADULT, enjoy more. Grow up.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        YOU'RE ON Cinemaphile

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, I'm on Cinemaphile. I watch shows for kids. I don't, however, bemoan the fact that these shows aren't tailored exclusively to me. I think you're missing the disconnect here.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            op here
            this thread isn't made for you, it's made for people who feel that cartoons would benefit from being different
            get out of here stop engaging with something that isn't for you

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's just a strange thing to complain about. Shows on the Disney Channel sometimes reference the modern day aspects of life that children engage with and you see this as some slight against the medium. It's bizarre especially since there's shows that DON'T do what you're complaining about that already exist.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i said get out of my thread

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No one is saying you can't HAVE this opinion, but to come to a public forum and be surprised when people disagree with your weird idea is sad. I am surprised though. You're telling me they don't have cartoons without cellphones in whatever third world, ESL backwater you come from?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                leave

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Based OP efficiently BTFOing the industry shill

                People like these shouldn't be argued with he already proved himself to be a mega homosexual he just needs to go

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rent free

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Buys a popsicle, something that's usually made for kids
        >Walks into the adult club for popsicle fans populated entirely by adults
        >"I know this is made for kids, but I wish at least some popsicles had a slightly less sweet flavor like I enjoy"
        >IT'S NOT FOR YOU YOU'RE AN ADULT YOU SHOULD BE DOING WHISKEY AND TAXES GO AWAY REEEEEEEEE
        >A guy screams from his seat in the popsicle club for adults, as an adult, eating a popsicle

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Yeah, they make popsicles for adults that have less sugar in them. You should check those out, instead of whining about popsicles for children.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Yeah, they make popsicles for adults that have less sugar in them. You should check those out, instead of whining about popsicles for children.

          I haven't been on Cinemaphile in months but I'm glad that this exchange is one of the first things I see when I come back. You guys are making my sides hurt.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    anon asked for shows that don't that shit.

    the dragon prince?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Legend of Korra

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How much samegayging is going on in this thread?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All the homosexualry possible

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You guys notice how little people were worried about samegayging back when IPs were visible? Even tho you could always samegay, IPs only revealed samegayging during the first 2-3 posts, and it was rarely an issue?
      It seems like the removal of IPs didn't cause more samegayging, it just made people more paranoid about it

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    holy shit you're fricking stupid

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >brain so cooked by nostalgia that you can't comprehend that most media is generally reflects the society and culture during which it was produced
    holy shit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that you can't comprehend
      you don't read posts you respond to, do you? you just see everything as an attack against you

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        stop being moronic, on purpose or otherwise

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i suppose so

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shrinking reference pools.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fricking this
      When you don't see much in your life, and can't imagine it, you create with what you know

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine what those little turds growing up on Skibbity Toilet are going to produce

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          don't make me imagine
          not only does it hurt me
          it's also oppressive to most cartoon creators who are physically unable to

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Amphibia was good, earth season aside, unless they snuck in frog smartphones while I wasn't paying attention.
            Matt Braly had actually experienced bicultralism growing up so he had a good sense of a "fish out of water" plot.
            Not that I'm saying that's the only way to widen your reference pool, however.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Life experiences ARE a way to acquire more reference, of course reference alone isn't mandatory and a creative enough person can imagine things they haven't seen, but reference ultimately is still one of the best ways to influence your creation for the better
              And here where the problem is- most modern cartoon creators have no reference, the reason why it feels like everything they write is just "the modern inner city world but with an X (fantasy, sci-fi, magic, mystery, whatever...) aesthetic" is because it's true, the modern inner city world is all they know.

              In a way even the ones who claim to have life experiences oftentimes don't. You ever notice how often the stories of multiculturalism and such are shown? Girl makes dumplings with her mom/grandma. Sometimes peppers in one or two foreign words. Wears a cultural dress once in her life. Uhhhh, did I mention dumplings? Yeah sure for some people that may be what they saw of their culture, but I still think being able to get more creative with what you know is a sign of a skilled creator, just cause you're Chinese and the only part of your culture you know is dumplings, just cause you never fought a dragon or explored ancient temples, doesn't mean you can't imagine it... right? But that aside, for a lot of these people, that isn't what they experienced, it's just what they're expected to write. They live through symbols.

              TLDR They don't even base their work off of reality, they base it off of other works based off of other works based off of other works based off of reality.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ITT:

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You posted that already

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh no, I posted a different, equally relevant Abe Simpson. These are two different scenes showing how out of touch he is. Kinda like you. That was the point, Anon.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wait, that WAS you? Kek I was making a joke
          Holy shit it really is all just one industry shill
          Didn't OP evict you to the shadow realm? Go back bro

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, I'm just here to make you mad.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          out
          shoo

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Millennials and women have no imagination and can only write what they have personally experienced. They are incapable of imagining a society that isn't like the one they grew up in.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your problem OP is that you find these modern references tacky now and you didn't back then even though it's always been happening constantly. I still remember the Hokeymon episode of Billy and Mandy. Also the computer in Courage the Cowardly dog was probably referring to the ancient computer interfaces the creator was familiar with when THEY were young so it still felt fresh and unique to you even though it was objectively an example of the same thing as Foogle or Penstagram. Maybe we're just getting older and realizing that references are cool when you don't recognize them and cringe when you do. I like all the Speed Racer and old anime references in Dexter's Lab even if I watch it today. When Steven Universe or whoever else does a Team Rocket reference from Pokemon, I just find it lame.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Reread the OP post instead of formulating a headcanon of what you think he said and responding to that, I beg of you

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Rape Amity.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's time for that part of the thread, huh

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Rape Amity

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >have you noticed that current year cartoons have current year stuff like PHONES?!?!
    moron
    and no, I'm not interested in a good faith argument with OP.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >have you ever noticed that way too many current year cartoons have current year stuff especially in places where it doesn't fit?
      that's what the thread is saying
      you're allowed to read a post several times if you can't comprehend it the first time

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        fantasy worlds should not stay frozen in time.. it's such a dumb proposition that it can only come from someone who goes phone bad. if there's a civilization, there's technology.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Op, not trying to be rude, but how old are you? just from post alone, I assume you're at least 40. What are doing wasting your time with us youngins when you have 30 years left to spend? Go outside. Check up with some some old friends. Touch grass. Enjoy the scenery. For frick sake live life to your fullest before it's too late, man. and for the record, who fricking cares if a kid cartoon has the fantasy version of smartphones? At least it's more creative than transplanting a phone and calling it a day.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kung Fu Wa rarely focused on social media

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Owl house is a shitty troony show created by a hack showrunner that flopped and got canceled

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Has a recent TV show actually used a IPhone in a cool way to the story? Like make a bad guy finding the protagonists due to it sending out constant signals or someone using it to take pictures or something.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember Legend Quest used one's voice-to-speech program to utter the command words to shut down a golem at one point.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Outside maybe app name parodies, I don't really think the inclusion of these technologies are that dated. Cell phones are pretty much a common form of life, like computers and the internet became in late 90s and early 00s cartoons. Even less dated forms of technology can come off more dated than these modern references. I remember an episode of Rocko's Modern Life where he got a credit card and used one of the old swipe machines that fell out of fashion in the 90s.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The simpson made a entire episode about a dude in 1920s creating The Itchy & Scratchy Show and the idea of Springfield's school with a movie projector of 1920. The entire plot is out of place in 1996.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That same season had Homer join the music festival that has Smashing Pumpkins, Bart shoplift a videogame, and a 3D animated short. Sounds pretty 'now'for the mid 90s.

        Plus, Simpsons is made for an older audience than OP's example of Owlhouse, so it wouldn't be surprising the show made for a broader audience had broader aspects to it.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Harriet the Spy does a decent job at not having modern aspects
    No cellphones in sight just breaching everyone privacy

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's set in the 60s you donut

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I know but it fits ops parameters

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Smartphones are nearly 20 years old.
    YouTube is almost 20 years old.
    Instagram is over a decade old.
    Vine (stand-in for the short form memetic video style of TikTok) came into existence a decade ago.
    As weird as it feels, a cartoon of the late 2010s/early 2020s referencing these things is no different from, or more "referencing popular new thing to relate to the kiddies," than a 90s cartoon referencing the world wide web, or The Flintstones (which is an early example of cartoons having anachronistic tech as a joke) having television sets.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Vine (stand-in for the short form memetic video style of TikTok) came into existence a decade ago.
      TikTok itself is nearly 8 years old too.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember every cartoon and movies referencing the 1970s with Elvis clothes and disco music in "20 years ago" flashbacks.
      Now Hollywood avoid any references to 2000s because fashions look similar to now but the changes to things like phones and social media are massive.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That reminds me that teens are wearing 2000s fashion now and then what? What's left to recycle?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That reminds me that teens are wearing 2000s fashion now and then what? What's left to recycle?

        I haven't drove by a school in a while but I would be surprised if I saw high amounts of bleached blonde hair or guys with spiked hair with frosted tips.

        Maybe could imagine 1 in 100 wearing stunna shades or a bucket hat.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its less the guys and more the women are aping 2000s fashion

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I can feel my bellycut shirts and low-rise demin stocks RISING

            I forget tho. Were slap braclets 90s or 00s? I wanna say 90s but its kinda buring together.
            For sure the "having dozens of accessories on your keychain" was a 00s thing.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The one thing that stood out to me about TOH's technology is that it's existence makes the Demon Realm residents' apparent confusion with regard to human tech a bit out of place. Granted, as the series went on they kinda dropped that, so maybe it's just a leftover from when they'd perhaps not intended to have as many parallels between the two realms.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kishimoto's in the same boat as you. Ha ha.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, yeah. They're a product of their time and the creators experience.
    If they have an old styled character they're mostly a joke

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have no idea what the OP is even arguing.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You got a problem with Modern people, OP senpai?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You got a problem with Modern people?
      >You got a problem with their Modern worlds?

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every single post on this board that requires even the tiniest bit of complex concept comprehension proves the board's average IQ sits firmly at room temp
    Reading some of these comments is mental pain

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