Does anyone have the page where Rick Remender makes fun of Jonathan Hickman's writing? I know it's from his Image works but I can't remember what issue. Funny stuff though and very accurate
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It was actually from one of the Marvel stuff
Uncanny Avengers Annual 1 IIRC
Holy shit why does Remender hate Hickman so much?
It's a tumblr blog (from a Wandagay no less) but I think this summarizes it best
https://scarletwitching.tumblr.com/post/183183664371/you-said-jonathan-hickmans-avengers-made-you-real
>review immediately starts talking about white men and comparing Skrulls to muslims to call Secret Invasion islamophobic
Mmm, yes, that is some Grade-A Tumblr right there.
Dude, "He Loves You" is pretty fricking obviously Skrull "Allahu Akbar"
Didn't they have a few books directly calling it a jihad when they could have said holy war?
Bendis openly said it was War on Terror inspired Anon
because Hickman aspires to be a tv writer in the early 2000s, endlessly churning out filmlook soft-soap serial with 3 minutes of SFX in a 60 minute cable or network slot (with ads) every week while progressing nowhere
it's pathetic, and not just because it's 20 years out of date
So does Remender though.
Rememnder has his issues, but he primarily wants to be a pulp storyteller thru the lens of heroes and sci-fi.
Anyone with a functioning brain hates him
Probably because Hickman is a terrible writer. He's Bendis for pseuds.
Remender is absolutely one of the whinier modern creations. If Hickman is Millar pretending to be Morrison, Remender is Bendis pretending to be Moore. I am convinced UXF was an outlier because the rest of his Marvel work never reached that level. Uncanny Avengers was at best a controversial, ambitious and flawed mess. I get why he's upset, because Hickman does consistently flub the landing through Deus ex machina and similar handwavy, need-to-wrap-up-in-ten-pages methods... but there's a reason Hickman outpaced Remender. Remender wants to be the character guy and Hickman wants to be the grand, ambitious worldbuilding guy. The only difference is Remender is middling at character work (for every character he nails, like Deadpool, there are at least two he butchers, like Havok and Rogue) and Hickman is genuinely solid at worldbuilding, for all he sucks at character work and pacing. Remender SHOULD be pivoting to being a newer, better Ennis because he's good at more edgy or covert stuff but he just can't portray himself as this character-first visionary when he consistently 1) underperforms 2) comes out with weird ideas he holds very strongly.
Like Alex being some kind of milquetoast centrist because Remender had a strong vision of what the Unity Squad should be and then writing characters to serve the story, and then Remender getting into twitter b***hfights with people who disliked the sharp turn. Rogue was off the entire time. Wanda went from remorseful and unsure to "I'm an Avenger and I'm done apologizing to mutants" which was A CHOICE. Havok and Jan had a kid and then they didn't and then we all forgot about her. Remender got FURIOUS when readers weren't vibing with his hardcore integrationist "actually mutants should keep their heads down" while half the X-line was all about why that approach failed.
His X-Men ideas were similarly half-baked and I'm glad he didn't put FantomeXavier front and center. Remender is just not that good, anons.
i ain't reading your manifesto jon
should've posted another broken flow chart instead
>mucho texto
Remender, Duggan and Spurrier are better than Hickman.
>Duggan
what are you smoking
>remender
Indeed
>Duggan
No.
>spurrier
Genuinely one of the very worst modern writers. id go so far as to say representative of everything wrong with current comics. He’s atrocious.
X-Men Legacy was x-kino
It was crap.
Spurrier is absolutely awful anon. This has nothing to do with taste this is objective fact.
Facts have to be backed up and all you have are empty words.
>n-noooooooo
I accept your concession troony
Maybe, but Way of X was awful.
Didn't really come into his own until Legion of X. Nightcrawlers was also good. Uncanny Spider-Man was flawed but not too bad.
Please gain some taste. Frick.
>Genuinely one of the very worst modern writers.
uwot? he singlehandedly reinvented Legion and pulled Blindfold off Oblivion. He was about to do something really nice with Nightcrawler but Inferno and the Krakoa hickman pivot killed his interest
>he singlehandedly reinvented Legion and pulled Blindfold off Oblivion
Do you not realize how meaningless this is?
Blindfold was in kyost and gungehim's run, she wasn't that obscure. And she debuted in whedon's book.
Nah. Remender maybe, but Duggan is average, and Spurrier sucks.
No, no, yes (but very hit and miss).
They're actually worse.
wrong
All four of them are mediocre at best.
Duggan has never written anything better than mediocre. Spurrier is flat out awful.
You’re right about remender though
>Hickman is genuinely solid at worldbuilding
Bruh.
I honestly feel bad for him when it comes to Uncanny Avengers. It seems to me like there was a lot of editorial interferance. Axis reads like it was made by someone else. And I'm not sure if Hickman being on the flagship book fricked him over too. His Cap from the same era is great, and his short stint on Uncanny after Secret Wars was cool too
Wait till you realize he had a whole Cap epic but had to shelve it to write 8 issues of Falcon Cap
you had me until you went into the race autismus, piss off.
Yeah idk that's a real stretch, not really seeing it
This just seems like it's shitting on stuff like Lost in general.
It's a broad brush, but Remender was absolutely fuming over Hickman just absolutely devastating all his plans with Time Runs Out/Secret Wars.
and he was right. secret wars was literally hickman throwing a shitfit at the universe reboot and attempted erasure of the F4 (remember perlmutter was in charge) and threatened to leave everything half done if they didn't just let do what he wanted AND star the F4 as a frick you. That's how F4 happened.
he did screw up with nightcrawler spiderman. i think he just gave up on getting editorial meddled out of his intended story in way of x / legion of x.
>actually remember is bad because
>its all about uncanny avengers
>only thing he mentions is call me alex
>rogue is fundamentally the same as x-men legacy vol. 1
>havok is still the broken dumbass trapped in heroics
figures kek. impressive that people get this mad, remender hit a nerve.
>while half the X-line was all about why that approach failed.
you are confusing krakoa with bendis' red revolution which was occasionally saying "frick the government we don't play nice" followed by cyclops was right (about nothing) but never did anything of note.
That said, he WAS and IS a moron over his constant twitter shitflinging.
X-men legacy was pretty bad.
Neither of these writers are good. is just cringe though it's always the one that's seething that resorts to that
This wasn’t just a shot at Hickman. Everyone forgot how big LOST was, that’s what mysteries leading to mysteries stuff is making fun of
They should have let Remender have X-Men instead of Hickman.
Yeah there, I said it. Remender may not have as big ideas but he follows through and finishes series satisfyingly. He doesn't just throw out mystery boxes and hope things work out in the end, and he also gives characters distinct voices. He would have made something that wasn't derailed halfway through and he wouldn't have just left the asylum to the inmates
He was approached to do both X-Men and Batman recently, he turned down both because he wanted to focus on his original stuff
He actually wanted to be main writer for X-Men after Bendis left but Hickman had already put in his pitch and Remender got passed over.
no he was going to do X-men but Marvel forced inhuman stuff. in which he didn't want to do so he quit
Hickman didn't do his pitch until 2018 at the earliest
Hickmam was the ¿Four? relaunch after Bendis.
His X-force was better than any Hickman stuff I've read.
I wish this guy wasn't a shit writer because of the premises and the artists he works with are really cool.
>a man in his 40s writing "Christianity is... LE BAD"
>somehow a voice that should be paid attention to
I don't care if you're the biggest Atheist on the planet, if you're making funnybooks about how Christians are heckin oppressive in 2024, then you're a certifiable moron.
Remender and Hickman are both violently vocal atheists.
>if you're making funnybooks about how Christians are heckin oppressive in 2024, then you're a certifiable moron.
Christians have absolutely no influence in the US anymore. The religious zealotry of the Republicans? I blame that on buddhism.
wat
>society is "christian"
>society does not hold christian values
>society does not help poor people
>society is pro war
>"christians" risk women's health by forcing doctors to ignore pregnancy complications that might kill the mother if they refuse to do an abortion
>snowflakes get books banned that have nothing to do with pedo shit
this whole time you were the certifiable morons
Are the Christians oppressing you in the room right now?
no, but they're definitely complaining that they are the ones that are oppressed, in a world where "god" is printed on their precious capitalist mammon money.
pretty sure when the catholic church gets to cover up pedo priests on a regular basis, that religions is protected by society
>oh, won't someone think of the christians!
>in a world where "god" is printed on their precious capitalist mammon money
Holy shit I can smell you from here you homosexual. Go take a shower and go outside.
get books banned that have nothing to do with pedo shit
Yeah, I know, they’re banning authors Dahl and Twain. Oh, whoops, you meant to make this a partisan thing.
*Yeah, I know, they’re banning authors like Dahl and Twain
You don't have children and dont know anything about pregnancies. Incel dolt
>Christianity
you saw "Glokor" and thought "Christianity"?
I have never seen a better visual depiction of leftism. A bunch of people are happy and normal and there’s some weird freak losing his mind about it.
Remender>Hickman
Yes, but neither of them are very good.
Remender's best work was uncanny x-force, hickman's was his FF. Remender either gets a character or doesn't while hickman works better with an open sandbox.
I vote for Rick.
Hox/Pox was a nice read but the regular run went nowhere before Inferno, fricking Duggan's first team had more meat to the bone.
>acclaimed three season
Don't make me laugh.
This is fundraising/gotv material. There is 0 chance any of these things will ever have enough congressional support to become law.
Keep living in denial.
meh