>NOOOOO YOU CANT TAKE ADDERALL IF YOU DONT HAVE ADD THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THE HECKIN NEURODIVERGENTS
https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/
America is truly fricked
my adderall story is long. however I'll say that for people who genuinely have ADHD and cannot focus on anything or calm down whatsoever, adderall is like xanax for them. I've had thousands of friends and acquaintances and I think I've maybe met 15 people ever that met that criteria. my oldest brother is one of them. unfortunately many people can just act like they can't focus or whatever (myself included, I just wanted speed) and get the shit prescribed no problem. either way it's really not detrimental to anyone unless you take upwards of 100mg a day for years and years. I miss it and would take it right now if I had them kek
As for someone who suspects oneself of having ADHD I was really heavily interested in this film. I have always been at least slightly behind other people in terms of how far my thought goes. It took me whole day to complete my homework and I was actually formally "diagnosed" with ADHD in 1st grade (i was 6 and it was around 2008-2011). I always wondered how people could so this stuff with ease and effectiveness. I was able to study but with higher amount of effort and was very disorganized... I am really interested in something that could "fix" me. Make me perform on the same level with others
Are you off of them yet? Just curious? Do you THINK you have an addiction and potentially incapable without them? Or do you think that those drugs had rather positive impact on your natural off-drug motivation, concentration and overall thought activity?
i literally tried for 10 years to function without them, before giving up and going back on them
now i finally have a drivers license and working on education
im 31 btw, i quit them when i was like a teen since i was concerned about not growing properly and i did not want to admit i had adhd so taking the pills seemed like defeat.
I had good results with modafinil, ok but less with racetams.
Modafinil got harder to come by, unfortunately.
Never tried Adderal or Ritalin. Living in a nanny state sucks.
However, even with modafinil there was no instant genius, it just allowed me to stay focused after work to push through coursework.
What other movies played around with that dumb concept of "you're only using a fraction of your brain power and unlocking it makes you superhuman"?
I remember another one with Scarlett Johansson and Morgan Freeman and a third one where I cannot recall any details at all beyond maybe it had Ryan Reynolds.
I fully acknowledge the fact that the "only 2% of the brain" hypothesis has been disproven, hoverer you are clearly moronic if you think that this movie and overall discussion around "enhancing your thought chemically" is all about this shit hypothesis...
The sooner you realize that humans cant meaningfully manipulate body chemistry like that, the better.
There is no "free" +100% performance. There's always a negative that comes with it, like increased cellular stress. For instance, adrenaline. It is absolutely incredible what it does to us, but it comes with a cost afterwards.
Nobodys talking about "permanently" changing your brain habits and not getting off of whatever shit you take... But just having a backup plan to climb out of shithole when you fall into it at some point of your life. OFC you shouldn't rely on it too much, that is understandable
You did huh? Why are people so stupid that they can't understand this:
"sooóoo we need a story about how the MC made a lot of money when he became smarter, lets think about how he could potentially have done so..."
And the best thing scriptwriters were able to come up with was "stock market". Its unlikely that the show promotes this, but well, lets admit, possible
Ok, junkie, I hate edgy teens like you just as much as I hate "le drugs bad" promoters. The world isnt all black&white, there are upsides and downsides
If you could take a pill that would make you twice as smart but it would cut your remaining lifespan in half, would you do it? I kinda feel like I would have to, just to know what being twice as smart is like... and also because it would mean that I could maybe accomplish more for myself and the rest of the world in 1 year than I otherwise could in maybe the rest of my entire life.
What if it's only a curse if you're smart but not smart enough, but if you're beyond a certain level of smartness it turns into a blessing? Not saying that's the case, but what if?
It’s not even about being smart it’s just how being smart coincides with neuroticism and unbearable traits. You don’t need to be smart to have these and if anything being a rational thinker can work in your favor because rational people take steps to make themselves happy
Why don't you take it anymore? What are the downsides?
t. have never tried Adderall
Just read the article I posted folks it’s literally the first reply
>NOOOOO YOU CANT TAKE ADDERALL IF YOU DONT HAVE ADD THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THE HECKIN NEURODIVERGENTS
https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/
America is truly fricked
in short, if taken as prescribed you’ll pretty much be fine. Obviously bad shit can happen but that’s any drug
Yeah, I mean I've had times in my life when for whatever reason I felt smarter than usual. To be permanently twice as smart... I mean frick, I'd have to try it, I feel like you could get 10 times more life out of X years that way. And just the things I would start to understand about the world that I can't now because I haven't made the connections... my thirst for knowledge demands it.
It's not just about being smart. It's also about energy and mood.
I am a reasonably smart guy, but I find it so hard to drag me to actually work on anything. If I want to do something, I can accomplish a lot in a short time, but I feel being 10x smarter would just make me more tired and I would get about the same amount done.
my adderall story is long. however I'll say that for people who genuinely have ADHD and cannot focus on anything or calm down whatsoever, adderall is like xanax for them. I've had thousands of friends and acquaintances and I think I've maybe met 15 people ever that met that criteria. my oldest brother is one of them. unfortunately many people can just act like they can't focus or whatever (myself included, I just wanted speed) and get the shit prescribed no problem. either way it's really not detrimental to anyone unless you take upwards of 100mg a day for years and years. I miss it and would take it right now if I had them kek
I don't take it because it's just speed for me. i had a script for 20mg adderall, 90 a month (the most they can prescribe) into my mid 20s. I would stay up for 2 nights in a row, I wouldn't eat anything, would get immeasurable amounts of work done, and could drink like 30 beers without feeling drunk. you have to realize though I have one of the most addiction drawn brains ever though, so if you took it, it could be different for you. I don't know many people who have ever not succumbed to the shit tho. adderall is literally called "amphetamine salts". go for it bro see how it works for you lol. might change you're life
>I would stay up for 2 nights in a row, I wouldn't eat anything, would get immeasurable amounts of work done, and could drink like 30 beers without feeling drunk.
What were the downsides of it? Like, you would have to force yourself to eat I guess? And it was probably wearing your health down even if you felt good while on it?
really weren't any downsides anon honestly. coming off caffeine is worse than coming off adderall. no, I didn't have to force myself to eat. you're literally not hungry ever on the shit so 2 days without food doesn't bother you at all. it didn't wear my health down at all... I just knew I couldn't keep going like I was forever. the human body needs food and it needs sleep. you will eventually fall asleep whether you want to or not, which has happened for me. no downsides if you take it responsibility
>I would stay up for 2 nights in a row, I wouldn't eat anything, would get immeasurable amounts of work done, and could drink like 30 beers without feeling drunk.
What were the downsides of it? Like, you would have to force yourself to eat I guess? And it was probably wearing your health down even if you felt good while on it?
you are supposed to take the lowest amount of it, comparing positives/negatives, not like go full goonmode each day
Probably the downsides of every stim, tiredness after it wears off, light sleep, anxiety, building tolerance and if you abuse it lack of sleep, psychosis and so on.
In practice the real performance enhancing benefit is going to come from augments rather than systemic drugs. There's too many complex interlocking systems in the human mind to just inject random bullshit into the system and expect benefits with no downsides.
i forget if the movie touches on this, but i would be scared that the pill would make me bored with simple things. like not being able to watch a movie, being able to deal with relationships because people would feel so dumb and things like that
Lie. That's literally all you have to do. Keep in mind doctors are trained at sniffing out drug seekers so don't be too obvious.
Don't check all the ADD boxes, try to be vague when describing your symptoms like you haven't just read up on them on Wikipedia.
Yeah, I'd say the ending should have been different. I'd have liked it a lot more if it did the time skip and he is super successful, but then we see a medical paper on his desk and he has a brain tumor, or something. As it is he just takes drugs and it makes his life 200% better. Fricking dumb message.
Pretty sure a large plot point was the drug basically fricked your brain up if you took it long term.
He only came out on top because he/ some biochem dude were able to fix it.
I think it's implied that using NZT made him smart enough to reformulate it so it had no bad effects. Or maybe he was so smart he was able to change his own biology, probably the former, though. Anyway, the end result was zero consequences. I wish that it wasn't.
what are some drugs or meds to spark creativity, inspiration and creative discipline?
i've never done any drugs but i'm a writer and i'd like to know what i can do when i'm on something
When I make music high, and then listen to it sober, sometimes I legitimately wonder how I came up with it. Weed allows the muse to take me over, sometimes.
People are different. Some writers use uppers, some downers and some psychedelics or a combination.
A low dose of adderal + LSD might work or you might end up writing 200 pages of incoherent nonsense.
>NOOOOO YOU CANT TAKE ADDERALL IF YOU DONT HAVE ADD THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THE HECKIN NEURODIVERGENTS
https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/12/28/adderall-risks-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/
America is truly fricked
cope. have fun taking your meth junkie. enjoy your hecking awesome energy while you still can before it frys your brain more then it already is
Read the article moron, that is unless you need drugs to get through it given your diminished attention span?
>slatestarcodex
>read
>not throw into the trash
Lol okay redditor
Are you memeing?
>upwards of 100mg a day
Thats insane.
no it isn't lol I know day traders that take 150mg to start their days
>no it isn't lol I know day traders that take 150mg to start their days
You think following day trader's habits is the key to good mental and physical health?
Sounds like a long, healthy life.
As for someone who suspects oneself of having ADHD I was really heavily interested in this film. I have always been at least slightly behind other people in terms of how far my thought goes. It took me whole day to complete my homework and I was actually formally "diagnosed" with ADHD in 1st grade (i was 6 and it was around 2008-2011). I always wondered how people could so this stuff with ease and effectiveness. I was able to study but with higher amount of effort and was very disorganized... I am really interested in something that could "fix" me. Make me perform on the same level with others
>As for someone who suspects oneself of having ADHD
take your meds morono
Fricking zoomers
sorry to break it to you, but i think youre just dumb, anon.
>see this movie and series
>get adhd meds
>fixed my life
i recommend
Are you off of them yet? Just curious? Do you THINK you have an addiction and potentially incapable without them? Or do you think that those drugs had rather positive impact on your natural off-drug motivation, concentration and overall thought activity?
i literally tried for 10 years to function without them, before giving up and going back on them
now i finally have a drivers license and working on education
im 31 btw, i quit them when i was like a teen since i was concerned about not growing properly and i did not want to admit i had adhd so taking the pills seemed like defeat.
Yes, fictional drugs.
In the same way that Star Wars promotes magic and insurrection.
moronic you are, my friend, for you not understand that these have their real counterpart
I had good results with modafinil, ok but less with racetams.
Modafinil got harder to come by, unfortunately.
Never tried Adderal or Ritalin. Living in a nanny state sucks.
However, even with modafinil there was no instant genius, it just allowed me to stay focused after work to push through coursework.
What other movies played around with that dumb concept of "you're only using a fraction of your brain power and unlocking it makes you superhuman"?
I remember another one with Scarlett Johansson and Morgan Freeman and a third one where I cannot recall any details at all beyond maybe it had Ryan Reynolds.
Lucy is the one with ScarJo, where she is forcefed smart drugs.
There is also a tv show Limitless with Jennifer Carpenter.
I fully acknowledge the fact that the "only 2% of the brain" hypothesis has been disproven, hoverer you are clearly moronic if you think that this movie and overall discussion around "enhancing your thought chemically" is all about this shit hypothesis...
The sooner you realize that humans cant meaningfully manipulate body chemistry like that, the better.
There is no "free" +100% performance. There's always a negative that comes with it, like increased cellular stress. For instance, adrenaline. It is absolutely incredible what it does to us, but it comes with a cost afterwards.
Nobodys talking about "permanently" changing your brain habits and not getting off of whatever shit you take... But just having a backup plan to climb out of shithole when you fall into it at some point of your life. OFC you shouldn't rely on it too much, that is understandable
>It is absolutely incredible what it does to us, but it comes with a cost afterwards.
OK Chev Chellios.
It promotes losing money on the stock market which I did.
You did huh? Why are people so stupid that they can't understand this:
"sooóoo we need a story about how the MC made a lot of money when he became smarter, lets think about how he could potentially have done so..."
And the best thing scriptwriters were able to come up with was "stock market". Its unlikely that the show promotes this, but well, lets admit, possible
I was making money but then I lost some and lost interest in it.
Maybe thats because you werent on NZT and simply not smart enough to operate on a level beyond most people who hang out there on a daily?
There is literally nothing wrong with drugs
Depends on the drugs. But mostly of course how you use them.
Ok, junkie, I hate edgy teens like you just as much as I hate "le drugs bad" promoters. The world isnt all black&white, there are upsides and downsides
If you could take a pill that would make you twice as smart but it would cut your remaining lifespan in half, would you do it? I kinda feel like I would have to, just to know what being twice as smart is like... and also because it would mean that I could maybe accomplish more for myself and the rest of the world in 1 year than I otherwise could in maybe the rest of my entire life.
Of course it would be best if there was a pill that made you twice as smart without any negative effects.
no, i have spent most my life trying to lower my iq on purpose, being smart is a fricking curse
What if it's only a curse if you're smart but not smart enough, but if you're beyond a certain level of smartness it turns into a blessing? Not saying that's the case, but what if?
It’s not even about being smart it’s just how being smart coincides with neuroticism and unbearable traits. You don’t need to be smart to have these and if anything being a rational thinker can work in your favor because rational people take steps to make themselves happy
Just read the article I posted folks it’s literally the first reply
in short, if taken as prescribed you’ll pretty much be fine. Obviously bad shit can happen but that’s any drug
me? definitely not
Based and this. Ofc I would if given an option. Let it be short but meaningful and satisfying over long and unfulfilling. I dont want to struggle
Yeah, I mean I've had times in my life when for whatever reason I felt smarter than usual. To be permanently twice as smart... I mean frick, I'd have to try it, I feel like you could get 10 times more life out of X years that way. And just the things I would start to understand about the world that I can't now because I haven't made the connections... my thirst for knowledge demands it.
It's not just about being smart. It's also about energy and mood.
I am a reasonably smart guy, but I find it so hard to drag me to actually work on anything. If I want to do something, I can accomplish a lot in a short time, but I feel being 10x smarter would just make me more tired and I would get about the same amount done.
Frick no that would give me like 2-3 years to live.
A lot of things in life take time, and being smarter wouldn't affect that. I'd take longevity.
my adderall story is long. however I'll say that for people who genuinely have ADHD and cannot focus on anything or calm down whatsoever, adderall is like xanax for them. I've had thousands of friends and acquaintances and I think I've maybe met 15 people ever that met that criteria. my oldest brother is one of them. unfortunately many people can just act like they can't focus or whatever (myself included, I just wanted speed) and get the shit prescribed no problem. either way it's really not detrimental to anyone unless you take upwards of 100mg a day for years and years. I miss it and would take it right now if I had them kek
Why don't you take it anymore? What are the downsides?
t. have never tried Adderall
I don't take it because it's just speed for me. i had a script for 20mg adderall, 90 a month (the most they can prescribe) into my mid 20s. I would stay up for 2 nights in a row, I wouldn't eat anything, would get immeasurable amounts of work done, and could drink like 30 beers without feeling drunk. you have to realize though I have one of the most addiction drawn brains ever though, so if you took it, it could be different for you. I don't know many people who have ever not succumbed to the shit tho. adderall is literally called "amphetamine salts". go for it bro see how it works for you lol. might change you're life
>I would stay up for 2 nights in a row, I wouldn't eat anything, would get immeasurable amounts of work done, and could drink like 30 beers without feeling drunk.
What were the downsides of it? Like, you would have to force yourself to eat I guess? And it was probably wearing your health down even if you felt good while on it?
really weren't any downsides anon honestly. coming off caffeine is worse than coming off adderall. no, I didn't have to force myself to eat. you're literally not hungry ever on the shit so 2 days without food doesn't bother you at all. it didn't wear my health down at all... I just knew I couldn't keep going like I was forever. the human body needs food and it needs sleep. you will eventually fall asleep whether you want to or not, which has happened for me. no downsides if you take it responsibility
you are supposed to take the lowest amount of it, comparing positives/negatives, not like go full goonmode each day
lowest amount possible while still getting positive results*
Probably the downsides of every stim, tiredness after it wears off, light sleep, anxiety, building tolerance and if you abuse it lack of sleep, psychosis and so on.
In practice the real performance enhancing benefit is going to come from augments rather than systemic drugs. There's too many complex interlocking systems in the human mind to just inject random bullshit into the system and expect benefits with no downsides.
Granted the withdraw effects are pretty bad.
i forget if the movie touches on this, but i would be scared that the pill would make me bored with simple things. like not being able to watch a movie, being able to deal with relationships because people would feel so dumb and things like that
Are any of you homosexuals gonna give us a guide on how to get prescribed adderall or what
There is literally a website you can just pay like $300 and get a script. I think it's called "Done."
https://www.donefirst.com/
Lie. That's literally all you have to do. Keep in mind doctors are trained at sniffing out drug seekers so don't be too obvious.
Don't check all the ADD boxes, try to be vague when describing your symptoms like you haven't just read up on them on Wikipedia.
Yeah, I'd say the ending should have been different. I'd have liked it a lot more if it did the time skip and he is super successful, but then we see a medical paper on his desk and he has a brain tumor, or something. As it is he just takes drugs and it makes his life 200% better. Fricking dumb message.
The show takes that route. NZT makes you crazy, but Bradley Cooper develops an antidote and they use that to control the main character in the show.
Pretty sure a large plot point was the drug basically fricked your brain up if you took it long term.
He only came out on top because he/ some biochem dude were able to fix it.
I think it's implied that using NZT made him smart enough to reformulate it so it had no bad effects. Or maybe he was so smart he was able to change his own biology, probably the former, though. Anyway, the end result was zero consequences. I wish that it wasn't.
yeah the movie turned into full blown capeshit by the end of it, very anticlimatic ending to say the least
what are some drugs or meds to spark creativity, inspiration and creative discipline?
i've never done any drugs but i'm a writer and i'd like to know what i can do when i'm on something
Nicotine and Caffine, in small doses.
Unironically they are some of the better nootropics out there, and have relatively tame side effects.
When I make music high, and then listen to it sober, sometimes I legitimately wonder how I came up with it. Weed allows the muse to take me over, sometimes.
People are different. Some writers use uppers, some downers and some psychedelics or a combination.
A low dose of adderal + LSD might work or you might end up writing 200 pages of incoherent nonsense.