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If so, why?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    well yeah. i liked the new trilogy and it's annoying when some other people pretend to not like it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why would I be upset at the fact that George made out like a bandit?

      How much did they spend outside those 4B though? Making movies/tv series/merchs is not free.

      I don't think anyone ever doubted it was going to be a sound monetary investment. The movies could be trash (and they are) and everyone knew they would make their money back off the name alone.

      revenue or profit?

      It does make me upset, more generally though just at how every business today is so obsessed with chasing infinite profits through mass appeal, giving higher profits but leaving every product with something for everyone to hate.

      >some lying sack of sour ass says something
      >its le facts

      Its all lies! Disney has never nor will ever turn a profit! Star Wars is dead!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      People don't pretend not to like it, they genuinely don't. If you say you don't understand why then you're either a troll or literally too stupid to argue with.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I dislike TLJ because it isn't 2h30m of Luke murdering people in a corridor

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody has ever said that you mongoloid. It's a strawman made up by idiots who can't articulate a point.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            TLJ is a complex character with Hammil giving the best performance of his career
            >noooooo Disney ruined my childhood
            Mandalorian Luke is an ugly CGI deus ex machina with zero development
            >OMG MY CHILDHOOD IS SAVED

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              More strawmen. If you had a real argument, you would make it.
              I accept your concession.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You're just proving the point of you being an idiot.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Here is the hot take.
          TLJ while a shit, moronic movie that breaks the universe. Is the best of the sequel movies. If only it was made by people who were not fricking moronic.

          >Hermit Luke
          Makes sense. The New republic is a failure, his new Order failed. Even the trying to kill Kylo could have been understandable. If only they took the fricking time to explain all that. Also he should not have died, Leia should of.

          >Let the past die, Kill it if you have to
          This speaks to my soul as an older fan of various IPs that I've watched be ruined over the decades. Terminator should of ended with 2. There should have been no more movies after the OT. There does not need to be new Star Trek shows. Let the franchises of the past remain there, where they can't be molested by modern companies.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            TLJ was a fricking mess of a film. It really has nothing redeemable.

            >Opens with Oscar Issac dabbing all over a Star Destroyer single handedly which sort of triviliazes the threat of the First Order and makes them into an incompetent Scooby Doo villain
            >Long boring meandering plot on the casino planet which has absolutely no point whatsoever. You could actually cut the every casino scene and the film loses nothing
            >Undoing Luke's entire character arc from the originals
            >Unceremoniously killing off Snoke with no replacement set up, ensuring that the third film would have no reason to exist
            >Hyperdrive ramming
            >Immediately after said hyperdrive ramming in which we are supposed to respect Holdo's sacrifice, Rose blocks Finn from doing the exact same thing, just leaving the audience confused.
            >Luke kills himself just to deliver a few Marvel quips at Kylo
            The only thing TLJ did was the Reylo romance. Those scenes are all really good.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >It really has nothing redeemable
              A few scenes looked cool...

              That's all I got.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              All of this is true, and some how it's STILL better than the other two.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                because the other two were just shameless ripoffs of their respective original trilogy equivalents, JJ Abrams is a hack. TLJ was at least trying to be different in some points before it just turns into ESB at the end, even though the ways it was different were purely about character assassination and Rian Johnson using Star Wars as a masturbatory aid to show everyone else how great he is

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Long boring meandering plot on the casino planet which has absolutely no point whatsoever. You could actually cut the every casino scene and the film loses nothing

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >What is your opinion on The Last Jedi?
                "The what? Im not a big fan of children's movies."

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Some of the cinematography was neat and systematically shitting on every single one of JJ's mystery boxes was based. The only thing I did properly like though was that Rey's parents were just nobodies. It was a nice departure from the norm.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How much did they spend outside those 4B though? Making movies/tv series/merchs is not free.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This was my first thought, yes you made 12 billion off it, but those movies, rides, franchising deals and toys that all flopped weren't free.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >How much did they spend outside those 4B though?
      oooh there it is lmao
      so they spend 4.05B to but star wars
      then they made
      3 sequels
      han solo
      rogue one
      some cartoons
      mandalorian
      ahsoka
      the shit at disney parks
      figures, comics, books, games
      all of that shit adds up to $12 billion, how much did they spend on making all this crap?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      revenue or profit?

      UHHH

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nice to see some sane people think like me

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      These headlines would be about profit if they'd made a number worth the risk of investing 2 Billion Dollars.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      [...]
      [...]
      [...]
      [...]
      >some lying sack of sour ass says something
      >its le facts

      Its all lies! Disney has never nor will ever turn a profit! Star Wars is dead!

      I find the bad math offensive as they didn't factor in what they spent producing and advertising the films

      Someone insert the "leave the billion dollar corporation alone!" meme

      12 billies on what? Actual profit? Revenue? Those are vastly different.
      Is it 12 billies after deducting expenditures on movies, series, marketing, Disney theme park rides etc etc?

      Lies, damn lies and statistics...
      I won't underestimate the purchasing power of buck-broken nerds though

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      UNREAL cope. You morons need help.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why would I be upset at the fact that George made out like a bandit?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget him demonizing whites while crying like a gay

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He donated most of it to charity

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think anyone ever doubted it was going to be a sound monetary investment. The movies could be trash (and they are) and everyone knew they would make their money back off the name alone.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    revenue or profit?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this
      I bet its revenue and headline is lying yet again

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This genius doesn't seem to understand the difference between revenue and profit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >so we made BILLIONS
      >yeah but didn't we also spend billions
      >sir I don't think you understand we made BILLIONS
      >I mean, in addition to the initial cash payout to Lucas all of these films had massive production costs and marketing budgets
      >heyshutup so anyway we made BILLIONS
      >and Disney Plus still operates at a loss so technically none of the shows we made for it could be called profitable...
      >look, I'm going to need you to get aaaaaall the way off my back about this profit vs. revenue thing
      >oh okay let me get offa that thing
      >so like I was saying, BILLIONS

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >revenue or profit?
      Anon you're going to get banned if you keep asking these questions in sponsored threads

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Finally, someone with sense.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No way they used over 12b in costs

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        several movies and tv shows a failed ride a failed hotel failed merch and a failed streaming service minus 4 billion for lucas

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the failed star wars hotel apparently cost over 1 billion to make.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, theaters don't show the movies for free. They will take a 30-50% cut from everything Disney "made" from the movies and that's not even counting the production or marketing budgets. Anyone who just looks at the box office numbers is a certified moron.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      OI VEY

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s nice knowing there are still some people on this site that are not moronic.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cool it with the antisemitism

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It does make me upset, more generally though just at how every business today is so obsessed with chasing infinite profits through mass appeal, giving higher profits but leaving every product with something for everyone to hate.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    imagine how much someone competent could have made in that time with that money

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >
    Does that number imply that movies and marketing are made for free? and that reputation doesn't matter to business?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Excellent points

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >less than they would have made putting the same money into stocks with 10% return
    yeah i'm sure they're really happy with that result

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Statistically, this is true for the vast majority of businesses. And yet if they all decided to stop producing anything and just stuck that money in total market index funds, the global economy would collapse.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >discussingfilm
    Stopped reading there.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I find the bad math offensive as they didn't factor in what they spent producing and advertising the films

    Someone insert the "leave the billion dollar corporation alone!" meme

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wtf bros! How did Disney make movies and tv shows without spending????

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    And DUNC 2 is barely projected to break even lel

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's at 400 million in 2 weeks, it's going to make money

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is that revenue or profit?

    Fricking moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      inflation

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if Disney made $12 billion why are they considering selling out to Apple or Tesla?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Apple
      Maybe. They do want to be a everything company.

      >Tesla/Musk
      The frick? Are you moronic or just terminally online? Why in the FRICK would Musk buy Disney? Does he autistic ass even seem like the type of person who likes/cares about the kind of shit Disney does? Why specifically Tesla, a fricking CAR company would want to jump into the media industry on top of their auto business?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        because Musk is a huge welfare queen and one of the few people that could theoretically buy it. but last i heard Disney was more interested in shedding some of its assets like ABC, not a full sale of the company. probably because finding someone who could buy the company is next to impossible, it's basically down to Apple to decide if they want to save Disney or not.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Something seems off with their math here. They are comparing total revenue to just the purchase price. Its ignoring production and marketing. I have no doubt Disney is in the green, but not by 3x.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    And yet Disney stock is down over the last 5 years, while S&P500 is up 83%. Do investors just not realize how well Disney is performing?

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the movies cost nothing to make/advertise

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >TFA budget: 447 million
    >TLJ: 300 million
    >TROS: 416 million
    >Solo: 275 million
    >Rogue One: 265 million
    So there's another billion and a half, not even counting the TV shows and whatnot

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Disney + shows, licensed merch, and the Theme Park.
      Oh and writing off a 1 billion dollar theme hotel for a massive tax break.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >implying writing off a billion dollar loss saves you the entire amount, or even close to it

        That’s not how that works

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lucas maintained merchandising right on the prequels and original trilogy. That's why the changed the names of the rebels and empire groups and used different ships and creatures.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Those budgets don't include marketing which, as a rule of thumb, add another 50-100% of the base budget. Theaters also get their cut of the action. Star Wars has made a profit, but it's not the full 12 billion the tweet is reporting. In the long run owning the IP and licensing it out to video game nad toy makers will be the real money maker. If anything the tv shows and movies are just advertisements for the real merchandise.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    even at the time people were perplexed at how cheap $4billion was

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They're so successful that they had to close down their half a billion dollar Star Wars hotel due to low attendence.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Now subtract all the money they spent on producing new Star Wars content and advertising it.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the only money Disney put into Star Wars was buying the franchise, everything else was free
    Amazing logic.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Does this fact get you defensive?
    No.
    Modern entertainment is shit because people's taste is shit, so no surprise there.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >the sky is green, does this make you defensive?
    >>no it's not
    >IF SO WHY

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Floppening has only just begun.

    Strap in folks, Hollywood is burning.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lets not forget about all the successful acting careers that franchise gave us in recent years. . . . . .

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Appealing to the lowest common denominator usually works, hence the current culture.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And one of the most successful movies of all time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it became 8 years after it premiered?

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >star wars
    who fricking cares

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Of course not, I'm glad that that megacorp made billions of dollars! This improves my life greatly

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >source: iger's anus
    Nah I just don't believe it, sorry!

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    LOL

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >less views than some random YouTuber who puts his camera on in his spare room
      Insane to think

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Samba only tracks viewers using their proprietary televisions.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Which is a way better sample than Nielsen (literally they made the numbers up based on social media interactions)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >numbers above 0
      >"""flop"""
      Is this the new chud cope?

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that Solo flopped says it all. A live action Star Wars film underperforming that badly would've been inconceivable less than a decade ago.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    12 billies on what? Actual profit? Revenue? Those are vastly different.
    Is it 12 billies after deducting expenditures on movies, series, marketing, Disney theme park rides etc etc?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      since they only compare that to what they bought it, like it cost nothing to produce the shit they did, you can bet it's 12 billions gross

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm assuming most is from merchandise piggybacking off the original trilogy.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    NOOOOOO KATHELYN KENNEDY WILL BE FIRED IN TWO WEEKS

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Disney has made $12 billion!*
    *does not include production and marketing costs

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lmao, they are still very deep in the hole.
    even the theme park has been nothing but a huge money pit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They were halfway to making their money back as long ago as Solo, without even considering merchandise sales?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Merch sales have plummeted since Disney took over. Walmart used to have an entire aisle dedicated to Star Wars, with cardboard ads all over the store. Now, its difficult to even find the Star Wars toys, and when you do, its still a bunch of unsold Rogue One and Solo shit that has literally been sitting on the shelf for 5+ years.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This is true, clearance aisle at walmart ALWAYS has a ton of star wars shit

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Sure but it's still the best selling toy brand of all time, even currently

          That graph is genuinely making me think that the 12 billion is a real figure

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >TFA release date: 2015
      >Solo release date: 2018
      Seems pretty good for 4 years of work.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        didn't change much between the two

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for sharing anon, it's pretty interesting

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wait do they count all the ticket sales? Because they only take 50% of that home.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So profitable that they cancelled like half a dozen planned films and switched to produce single season budget streaming shows.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >pretend

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Corporations existing is evil. Disney isn't any different.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    TFA:
    >Budget: 447 million
    >Box Office: 2.071 billion
    TLJ:
    >Budget: 300 million
    >Box Office: 1.334 billion
    ROS:
    >Budget: 416 million
    >Box Office: 1.077 billion
    Rogue One:
    >Budget: 265 million
    >Box Office: 1.058 billion
    Solo:
    >Budget: 330 million
    >Box Office: 393 million
    Total budget: 1.758 billion
    Total box office: 5.933 billion
    >half the box office for the kinoplex's cut
    >double the budget for advertising
    Total for production + advertising: $3.516 billion
    Total for what Disney got back: $2.9665 billion

    At least for the movie box offices, Disney had a slight loss despite TFA and TLJ doing really well. This also obviously doesn't include Disney+, merchandise, Disney World, etc

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      pretty sure this doesn't include marketing costs because solo was a flop

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Can you read homie he literally adds marketing cost in at the bottom

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Those budgets don't include marketing which, as a rule of thumb, add another 50-100% of the base budget. Theaters also get their cut of the action. Star Wars has made a profit, but it's not the full 12 billion the tweet is reporting. In the long run owning the IP and licensing it out to video game nad toy makers will be the real money maker. If anything the tv shows and movies are just advertisements for the real merchandise.

      Wait do they count all the ticket sales? Because they only take 50% of that home.

      Why does /r/tv still repeat this 50% myth? Disney gets 80% for their blockbusters because theaters are their b***h and take whatever terms they can get. A 20% cut on Star Wars is an order of magnitude more than a 50% cut on whatever arthouseslop they'd otherwise show.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah but still, only 80% of the box office need to be taken into account which is significantly less

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Anon you just made that up and it's pathetic. They take 60% on domestic and less than 40% foreign, in some markets way less than that. The Marvels was the biggest flop of all time btw

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        even if they kept 80%, they still only had a net revenue of 1.23 billion which is far below what they paid

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Disney gets 80% for their blockbusters
        Source: your ass

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Some seriously low grade trolling in this thread. But it still gets replies.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ok? So they bought the rights for 4 billies and the movies and shows materialized out of thin air?

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they're definitely still in the green regardless of how much their actual profit is after considering the budget, merchandising, marketing, theme park stuff, etc. I think Disney execs still are probably very disappointed with how things turned out which justifies why they're still trying to sell the franchise. They profited but they couldve profited way more if it wasnt for the shit direction their creative team took the series on. We're talking about the greediest people currently alive, they're probably fuming at how much more money they couldve made

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All Disney needed to say was that they want someone to plan 3 movies in one and not eyeball it like what we got

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It’s estimated that GTA V has made $8B. Get dunked on disney

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If I'd invested $4bn in an S&P500 tracker in 2012 I'd have $16bn today.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No. If they were competent they'd have made a lot more.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is this like the guy that went to vegas with $1000, gambles until he's down to $10 then wins $100 and says he "won"?

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not really. I mean I'd be surprised if they didn't make money. They have made like 5 movies and like 8 seasons across 4 shows all in like 10 years time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the shows make zero money beside some baby yid toys

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Let's see
    >in the movies they had a solid hit, a massive drop off that still broke even and a bunch of legit flops
    >galaxy's edge lost them over $1 billion, net
    >nothing in disney+ has made a single cent ever because disney+ is the single worst financial failure in the history of Hollywood, losing over one billion every quarter since launch
    >merch sales are in the shitter and every new character has its toys in the bargain bin in months
    Soooo how did they make those 12 billion again??

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >?
    Imagine hoe much they would have made if the movies were any good.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >john boyega space simian copypasta

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Does this fact get you defensive?
    >If so, why?
    They made their money back and then some
    Who tf cares, good for them
    Do ppl rly?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They didn't though
      >u defensive?
      Not really, they're just losing money is all

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/30/six-years-after-buying-lucasfilm-disney-has-recouped-its-investment.html
        stfu moron
        they made their money back in 2018
        its 2024
        Were u in a fricking coma

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The four Star Wars feature films Disney has released since 2015 have grossed more than $4.8 billion at the box office.
          >grossed
          Lmao they're losing money anon, I'm sorry. You shouldn't get invested in these things so much anyway, or at least pick a company that doesn't lose money with its franchises unlike frickin disney

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Then there’s also the money Disney makes on DVD, BluRay and digital sales, not to mention licensing agreements for the brand and sales of its own Star Wars apparel, toys and novelizations. Ahead of the release of “The Force Awakens” in 2015, Disney’s earnings got a boost from sales of Star Wars merchandise on Force Friday, a September event designed to excite fans of the franchise to purchase newly released goods.

            >Not to mention, Disney has two Star Wars Lands under construction at theme parks in California and Florida due to open next year. Between the box office receipts, merchandise sales and licensing agreements, Disney has more than made back it’s original investment, Dergarabedian said.

            What part of stfu moron did you not understand
            They have Star Wars theme parks
            Disney is printing money
            >DURUDUDURR IC COULD HAVE DMOAD MADE THA MOERE MONEY AT THE BITCOIN DURRRR
            Bob Iger is a billionaire
            You live with Moms
            It's time for your afternoon nap

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >They have Star Wars theme parks
              And how are they doing? There's really no point arguing back and forth trading examples of successes and failures without hard net numbers from disney.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >They have Star Wars theme parks
              LOL but now seriously calm down anon it's not my faut disney is losing money with star wars I'm not rian johnson don't take it out on me!

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Hahahahah Sòy Wars shills are fricking embarrassing

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > Sòy
                How did latinx come to lead the new gamer gate?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Okay try typing it without the accent then, big guy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                meant for

                > Sòy
                How did latinx come to lead the new gamer gate?

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Redditors don't know the difference between revenue and profit
    Lmao

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >earned ONLY 8B over 12 years
    >not covering expenses to build shitty crap (disneyworld addition and the shitty hotel and other crap)
    >not accounting operating expenses
    >not accounting budgets

    lol this is what basic b***h non-accountants think is impressive

    you could've made more ROI by investing that money in ETFs or stocks or doing a stock buyback

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If I'd invested $4bn in an S&P500 tracker in 2012 I'd have $16bn today.

      see

      Statistically, this is true for the vast majority of businesses. And yet if they all decided to stop producing anything and just stuck that money in total market index funds, the global economy would collapse.

      Vast majority of the S&P's gains are from a half dozen tech companies.

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Actually they've only made a little over 2x as much back.

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    If you actually believe that Disney isn’t in any financial trouble then the only one coping here is you.

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The key question has been asked multiple times already. Unless I see the numbers I don't believe it's been profitable.

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If it was actually profitable they'd have churned out movies like clockwork, just like they did with Marvel until it collapsed. Instead there hasn't been one in 5 years.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      uhh they just don't like to make this much profit it's too easy!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That was the plan, release Star Wars every year until you die, then Solo flopped and Disney realized they were making normies bored with Star Wars.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    defend these mothafricking nutz beeeotch

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    not really when you consider the quality of that material. Its garbage. The brand has been so diluted by inconsequential cartoons, cheap TV shows and a number of really bad movies, that it wouldn't even worth 1 billion if they tried to sell it today.

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Childhood is liking Star Wars
    Adulthood is realizing Dune was the superior IP

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Please never again refer to Dune as an "IP"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        But it is though

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      looks like snydershit greenscreen

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dune is a bloated ecology paper.

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >revenue
    OH NO NO NO
    Reminder that a significant portion of Star Wars revenue is generated from toy sales which have around a 10% profit margin for Disney

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ACKSHUALLY, a good portion of what georgie got was stock options so what he got amounts to more like 10 million

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      10 million.. my god

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't get how no one pumps the brakes on these projects.

      >Large interactive experience with paid actors and collaborative games
      >Marketed to Star Wars--the audience who are the poster childs of isolated autistic anti-socials.

      >Several thousand dollars for a few nights in a shitty tiny hotel room
      >When that money could literally rent you a lakeside cabin on a mountain, or get you into an all-inclusive luxury resort in the Maldives

      >Finally, making the whole thing Nu-Wars themed
      >When the only people who would actually be interested and able to pay for those are people in their late 30s and beyond who overwhelmingly prefer OT or PT.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        All of these points are so accurate.
        Whoever green lit this thing (it was dozens of people I'm sure) = massive moron(s).

        It's insane that these people are in 6 figure jobs with 401k's and benefits and I struggled to find work for years.

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rey looks like funhouse mirror Jessica Harper.

  70. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I literally do not give a shit. Yes, I came into the thread to say this and this only. I am actually blown away that people have the ability to hate Star Wars at all. I can't ever imagine having that emotion. I can't imagine giving a shit about it.

  71. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    More lies, as they don't cite the investment capital, ownly returns. A $12 billion dollar return on a $10 billion dollar investment is shit. Disney spent $4 billion dollars buying the rights to Star Wars, but have been absolutely bleeding Star Wars money in film, TV, merch, and their parks.

    I honestly don't believe they've even recouped the initial $4 billion they spent just to get the rights.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this, they lost more in the Disney parks and hotel scam, along with the losses in merch, hell maybe in the Disney plus shows.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The parks do fine, they aren't at peak but based on the attendance and increased prices for the parks as a whole not even specifically star wars it's a reasonable amount. I mean is it a shit deal obviously but watch videos by theme park guys even off-season the parks are pretty full. Sure no one is coming back but a 1 time.customer is good enough if you only care about profits being up before you sell your stock

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thats what i though initially
      I'm thinking a 9-11 mil investment and a 12 mil ROI if I'm being generous

  72. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's nonsense. It doesn't factor in any cost past the original purchase and just adds the total box office as one huge lump sum that Disney gets 100% of

  73. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If a company makes a profit, they brag about it. Its when they switch to other metrics that you know they flopped.

  74. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How much did they lose on that hotel?

  75. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Be honest, what was your first reaction when you saw this trailer?

  76. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Does this take into account what they've spent for everything (movie cost, merchandising costs, theme park costs, tv show costs, ad cost) as well? No? Well I don't give a shit then.

  77. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the force awakens is almost 10 years old

    which means people will now claim it was actually good like transformers

  78. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what?
    And how much did they spend to produce those earnings?
    Accounting 101

  79. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    "made" or "profited"?
    Gross is different than profit. I'm sure they've profited a shitload, but it may have been significantly less than 12 billies.

  80. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't make me defensive, but it does make extremely skeptical if they are including streaming numbers in that calculation.

  81. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's more than 4 billion. Half of the sale were in shares that have doubled in value since, so it's actually 6 billion. Then add the dividends they have to pay George every year, and it's up to 7 billion. Thats before you get to production and marketing costs. 10, 15, 20 billion?

  82. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Lazy, false number reporting that is easily debunked is just massive cope from the studio and media that relies on disposable, badly made pop culture.

  83. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if it's so good, why is it shitty?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Any hopes for the Disney era died when the Rey movie was announced along with Mando s3 and Ashoka flopping. The hate that Disney was trying to hide away since tlj was pointless in the end, even the fence sitters are getting tired of it.

  84. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why would I get defensive? I made money shorting their stocks, from they time they were at 180, down to 80 last year. Yes, they have had a recent resurgence, but still underperforming.

  85. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They didn't just buy Star Wars, they also bought Indiana Jones and Willow.
    So you need to deduct loses from those as well.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh yeah I forgot about Willow. That tanked so bad they wrote it off

  86. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they bought the franchise for 4 bil
    but then they invested even more on marketing and producing toys nobody bought

    they probably lost money on it tbh

  87. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So none of you know about something called opportunity cost huh. The problem was never that these movies made a profit, of course they did. It's that compared to what they COULDVE made, it was not that high.

  88. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Spend 4 billion on buying the franchise
    >Spend another 6 billion on advertisements and budgets
    >Look, we made 12 billion
    Fantastic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Disney's Slop Wars also killed Toys R Us.

  89. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A account that can't even do basic movie math whose main focus is on tv shows and movies. What a joke. They didn't make all those movies & tv shows for free and you can't say they are successful when they just closed down that Galactic Starcruiser. There's covering for failure and being really stupid when you do it.

  90. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No because Andor and Rogue One and the end of the Clone Wars were great and I don't care if the rest sucked because I didn't watch them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Rogue One wasn't great. Even if you ignore the really stupid parts (like star destroyers being less-than-useless and the annoying robot) it's still just okay. It could have been great.

  91. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Devalue shit with too many movies
    >Devalue shit with too many shows
    >Devalue shit with too much streaming crap
    >Kids don't buy your merch anymore
    >Your multimedia is shit
    >Video games are shit
    >Books and comics are awful
    >Still don't release unedited OT because of contracts
    >Constantly trying to turn SW into the MCU and failing only for Bob Iger to blame SW fatigue and not shit quality movies
    >Then retrying it AGAIN only with Jon Favreau who did Iron Man and even have an armoured main character
    >Ruined your hit show Mandalorian in three seasons by turning it into cartoon sequel and constant spin offs reducing the main character into nothing
    >Relying on a mixture of Filoni cartoon nostalgia and Heir to the Empire nostalgia for your new big team up

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >EA drove the SW licensing games into the ground.
      >Now Disney are upping the prices because it wants to price them out which lead to the cancellation of Mandalorian game.
      >All because Disney want to hand SW video game license to Epic Games for more monetised bullshit.
      >Couldn't even release a Battlefront remaster without it being broken (just happened recently).

      >Big multimedia crossover project the High Republic was completely awful.
      >Books, comics etc.
      >Hyperspace disasters, non binary Jedi, evil force plant creatures.
      >All written by the usual suspects.

      >Ten odd movie projects all in the garbage heap with no updates.
      >I couldn't even name them all.
      >As if Feige, D&D, Rian, Waiti or any of the others deserve to be near this shit.

      >Ahsoka show was so bland as shit 90% of what Cinemaphile talked about was how cute Shin Hati was.
      >Characters were boring and the acting wasn't good.
      >All to set up more Filoni-sms and bullshit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the Ahsoka show was Disney's Heir to the Empire, the thing in the 90's that determined star war's fate, aka there would be no prequels if the novels flopped. I predict there will be a reboot within a decade; Ashoka (an ongoing character for 15 years), can't carry the ip for 30-40 years like in the Lucas era.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the Ahsoka show was Disney's Heir to the Empire
          Literally mentioned it in the previous post:

          >Devalue shit with too many movies
          >Devalue shit with too many shows
          >Devalue shit with too much streaming crap
          >Kids don't buy your merch anymore
          >Your multimedia is shit
          >Video games are shit
          >Books and comics are awful
          >Still don't release unedited OT because of contracts
          >Constantly trying to turn SW into the MCU and failing only for Bob Iger to blame SW fatigue and not shit quality movies
          >Then retrying it AGAIN only with Jon Favreau who did Iron Man and even have an armoured main character
          >Ruined your hit show Mandalorian in three seasons by turning it into cartoon sequel and constant spin offs reducing the main character into nothing
          >Relying on a mixture of Filoni cartoon nostalgia and Heir to the Empire nostalgia for your new big team up

          >Relying on a mixture of Filoni cartoon nostalgia and Heir to the Empire nostalgia for your new big team up
          We now have a situation where the Mandoverse is building up for movies that will essentially be pre-sequels to try and actively bluff their way into making the context of the sequel trilogy look "good" all by relying on Heir to the Empire and Filoni shit. It is wild. I knew when Mandalorian mentioned cloning and other stuff it wanted to recontextualise the sequels.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think people really understand that the Ashoka was "the continuation" of the "story" after the Mandalorian and the Filioni hiatus. It's the first "major" story after the sequels and it flopped.

            >there would be no prequels if the novels flopped.
            Do what now? The EU novels were a niche audience. The prequel movies had a broad audience, the most important segment of which was children. The vast majority of movie-goers never read an EU book in their life.

            MMP like Shadows of the Empire and the novels is what kept star wars relevant, people were still buying the merch.

            Thing is, if high republic did well, they would've compared it with Shadows of the Empire.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I don't think people really understand that the Ashoka was "the continuation" of the "story" after the Mandalorian and the Filioni hiatus
              Mandalorian was their new MCU attempt. All the spin offs came from it. Bobba Fett series, Rangers of the New Republic (cancelled), Ahsoka cameoed in it. They literally nicknamed this shit Mandoverse. And Filoni has talked about all these shows building to crossovers for the eventual movie.

              Mainstream audiences won't necessarily get it. But idiots invested in cartoon nostalgia do.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >there would be no prequels if the novels flopped.
          Do what now? The EU novels were a niche audience. The prequel movies had a broad audience, the most important segment of which was children. The vast majority of movie-goers never read an EU book in their life.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The EU novels of the 90s actually sold really well and did in small part make Lucas want to return to the universe (other factors obviously happened too).

            I mean post-RotJ you got to a point of liquidating toys and retailers all moving on. Then in the 90s you had a huge boom thanks to the EU novels and then multimedia projects like Shadows of the Empire then the prequels.

  92. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Defensive? No. I don't like or dislike things based on how much money they do or don't make, or what anybody else thinks about it. I don't like the Disney Star Wars movies. I think people who do like them have astonishingly low standards. Disney could stack hundred dollar bills to the Moon and my opinion on this won't change.

  93. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit. The number of people in this thread who don't understand that "made $12 billion" is a statement that implies you're disclosing how much money you made after expenses is fricking staggering. I almost don't even know what to say. That's upper echelon moron shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Disney don't say that though, the source from Disney itself claims a '2.9x return on investment'. Discussingfilm, which is just a marketing shill account, seem to infer the numbers. The source is also impossible to read properly due to its low quality. The lack of real information or numbers also makes it hard to verify.

  94. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >box office translates 1:1 to profit
    Are these people just dumb or is this deliberate?

  95. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rian Johnson can suck my wiener

  96. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so all those movies and all the marketing were free?

  97. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It took 12 years to get there. If they had made some good stuff it would have taken half that time.
    Plus, what was the cost of the movies they produced?

  98. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't George take the $4 billion he got from Disney and immediately use it to buy a shit ton of Disney stock. He'd be one of the biggest (if not the biggest) shareholder and he'd be on the board.

    He'd then have control of Star Wars again + all of Disney.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The original deal was actually half cash half stock already, that's why GL actually got far more than 4 billion since the shares have doubled since and he gets paid yearly dividends which will be many millions or more.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just buy more stock and take over Disney entirely. Play the long con

  99. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your total theatre revenue is not gained solely by Disney. Like 50% is taken by the theatre themselves. Plus marketing and production of stuff means total amount is lower. Unless that is factored into this number, but I doubt it

  100. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes
    I hate Star Wars

  101. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not really, because that's 1$2 Billion gross.
    If they did absolutely nothing and made that return it's a solid investment. We all know they didn't do that though. They've spent billions on making and advertising movies on top of that $4B buy in.

    Without actually seeing the books it's hard to get a clear idea if they've actually turned a profit on it, the last time I entered one of these threads on here though, the first 3 movies hadn't even made a dent in the $4 Billion, given their expenditures. I can't imagine the more recent movies being anywhere near as successful.

    The real kicker as well is inflation. because you are comparing Today's total against Yesteryear's billions. Their purchase is $5.4 Billion in today's currency. Assuming accurately reported inflation (which there are many, many incentives to not accurately report)

  102. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Disney are claiming 2.9x roi, and don't give any actual numbers or figures other than that, then you can pretty much guarantee they are bullshitting the shareholders along with everyone else.

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