Dr Manhattan talks about walking on the surface of the sun.

Dr Manhattan talks about walking on the surface of the sun. In Paradise Lost, Satan walks upon the surface of the sun when he first invades creation

I find that interesting

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    you can't really walk on the surface of the sun because it's plasma. almost liquid like.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      As if any of what you wrote matters

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yes yes I know I have a physics degree, I'm talking about Dr. Manhattan being a potential homage to Satan in the book

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Moore is a stinky idiot, he calls the character comparable to the devil god, so artsy

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ackshually

      At a certain point the density of the plasma would become greater than the density of a human body. Assuming your matter is immune to the effects of heat, pressure, radiation, crushing gravity etc, you could "walk" (probably more like float) on the "surface" of the Sun.

      This point would be considerably deeper than the corona and photosphere, the parts of the sun people typically think of as "the surface."

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The corona sphere is from Red Alert m8

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >you can't just walk on liquid

      anon, let me tell you about this guy I know

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >christgay can't tell the difference between liquid and plasma and uses his ignorance as an opportunity to shill his slave-cult
        typical.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          impressive verbal katana slashing!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            just because I disbelieve Goytianity doesn't mean I'm a fedora-tipping atheist or larpagan

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              THIS DUDE IS A israelite

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                do you have a room temp IQ, my guy? i'm insulted.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Meds. Now.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You do know that me and the rest of the christgays will be able to look down and witness your eternal torment? Just wanted to mention that

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >DOOD, god's son who is also him will torment you for ETERNITY, no matter the severity of your crimes, if you don't have blind faith in a backwards sequence of events involving sin from before you were born, or if you happened to live before him or never heard of him
            >but DOOD, he totally loves you
            you really have no concept of eternity, if you think that that's a just outcome for anyone

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              God won't torture you. He'll just separate you. If you don't love him then thats fine but you won't be able to be in his presence. Imagine being alone with nothing but your thoughts for eternity in pitch blackness. The abyss as it's called. Thats hell.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Whatever helps you sleep at night and keeps you from being an unrestrained degenerate.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Bible God is not real, it's an obvious method of instilling some social order in a group of barbarian savages. It promotes virtues like charity and chastity and discourages vices like promiscuous sex and vice.
                Why ANYONE would think an actual, literal, capital-g God would give a frick about humans, I have no idea. The universe was created so maybe there is or was a Prime Mover. But the idea this entity who created so much in such a grand fashion, would care about a handful of fools on an unspectacular planet is one modest galaxy, defies belief. It's equally absurd to think he would reveal himself to us in the fashion he did.
                That's before we get to the obvious falsehoods of the Bible, like the New Testament being assembled CENTURIES after the events it claims to depict. For all we know Christianity as Christ preached it was nothing like what is in the bible.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Why ANYONE would think an actual, literal, capital-g God would give a frick about humans, I have no idea.
                Low IQ, fear, upbringing, lack of critical thinking, contrarianism, lack of purpose, a need for external boundaries/timeless source of human institutions

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The fact that you atheists get so upset over someone believing in something and having faith in something bigger than themselves is even more comical than the south park like Christians.

                You know why Christianity is nothing like the bible preaches it? Because the israelites/Lucifer have corrupted it. To seperate man from his creator. Mans corrupted it. Your right. God doesn't give a frick about you. I'm sure a being that can create vast universes and transcend time and space can know not to waste his energy on something that doesn't care about him.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                i'm not upset i'm just annoyed that reasonable people believe in an unreasonable thing.
                i'm not even mad that, perhaps, these people have experienced the divine, and the divine has withdrawn his presence from me indefinitely. they would be rage-provoking if i believed. but i do not.
                i'm just suspicious of believers. are they stupid or crazy, or do they know something i don't?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Well, they obviously know something you don't. You can be a Christian and not a Christian. You can be spiritual but not religious. I consider myself a Christian, but I do not go to church or worship some pedophile with a funny hat. I think the bible is a mix of literal and metaphorical stories and to understand it truly and its scope you have to look at things from a higher level of consciousness that most people are incapable of doing.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You were literally jerking your dick at the thought of "watching down and seeing torment" because someone dared to disagree with you and then you immediately backpedal with "i-it's not ackchyually torture" when faced with the realization that you're a fricking psychopath.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Not with that attitude

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >literally mentions almost liquid like
          >starts complaining about comparisons to liquid
          Is this the "enlightened wisdom" of the fedora? Lies, pedantry and poor attempts at deception?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Christ is King

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >>you can't just walk on liquid

        >literally mentions almost liquid like
        >starts complaining about comparisons to liquid
        Is this the "enlightened wisdom" of the fedora? Lies, pedantry and poor attempts at deception?

        you pretending MY post was a disingenuous non-sequitur falls apart when we all can literally read the prior posts.
        and nice try, I'm not an atheist. not everyone who disregards your dead israeli god on a stick is a fedora.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Everybody can and should read the posts and they will reveal the truth and shine a light on your fiendish lies, creature.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, only the virtuous initiates can see the truth, everyone else is base and bound for infinite punishment. But you--you are special and destined for greatness and bliss.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Time for your meds

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Just wait until nighttime.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Underrated

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      And yet Moisey walked on the surface of the water
      Is water solid to you you moron?

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    not really
    if you would do it too if you could

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No one cares about your israeli fantasy.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Paradise Lost is Bible fanfiction, it's not actual canon you spastic. It's basically like the Thor comics

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Except even church scholars reference it like it's Canon. I never understood how that's acceptable "scholarship". Much of that book has seeped into the public consciousness over the centuries.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          no they don't. if anything, Dante's Divine Comedy is more of what you are describing

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Except even church scholars reference it like it's Canon. I never understood how that's acceptable "scholarship". Much of that book has seeped into the public consciousness over the centuries.

        Paradise Lost is basically just the Book of Enoch, which although long removed is probably the best known book of the bible and is referenced throughout it. Literally everyone knows about the war in Heaven and the fall and that's the main source for it

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Take your meds

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Dr Manhatten is also a reference to the Manhatten Project, which produced the Atom Bombs which destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There are a lot of references in this series.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      kek

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The "Dr" part of course is a reference to the song "Help Me Dr Dick" as you see his dick.

        [...]
        Oh come on give me credit, none of you would ever have noticed that

        ???

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'm OP

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The "Dr" part of course is a reference to the song "Help Me Dr Dick" as you see his dick.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Ooh, Help Me Dr. Dick!

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Can I play the penis anymore?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The "Dr" part of course is a reference to the song "Help Me Dr Dick" as you see his dick.

      Oh come on give me credit, none of you would ever have noticed that

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Manhatten
      It's bizarre how Manhattan is misspelled much more often than Rorschach.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Interesting

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ohhhh, thanks anon, now I get it.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Also Dr is a reference to earning a PhD. Bet you didn't know that

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        no fricking way

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No way

      Does anybody over 25 actually find existensialism interesting?

      Moore and Milton are both hacks

      For me it’s Kierkegaard

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Does anybody over 25 actually find existensialism interesting?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      yes

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sometimes, not as much as I used to, thank God.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Moore and Milton are both hacks

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Uh oh. He might need to buy himself some diapers.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Probably a reference, but you're missing the point of that sequence in PL. Satan is passing through the incomprehensible firmament between divinity and creation, far beyond the step of any mortal. Even HE is tested and taken to the brink of oblivion. This portrayal conveys the power cosmic, which amplifies both character and backdrop. The goal with Manhattan is the same, to show that he's in a completely different armpit of reality.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'm still learning about it, it's a pretty neat book.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I've only read a couple pages, back in college. The analysis is mine, don't assume it's fact but I'm pretty sure it's correct.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It's one of the great works of english literature. If you don't tear up hearing Satan ruminate on how he made a mistake, he knows he made a mistake, and he wants to repent but he knows he cant because there's something wrong with him and he can't be satisfied and he doesn't know why then you are inhuman.

        "Be then his love accursed, since love or hate,
        To me alike, it deals eternal woe.
        Nay, cursed be thou; since against his thy will
        Chose freely what it now so justly rues.
        Me miserable! which way shall I fly
        Infinite wrath, and infinite despair?
        Which way I fly is Hell; myself am Hell;
        And, in the lowest deep, a lower deep
        Still threatening to devour me opens wide,
        To which the Hell I suffer seems a Heaven.
        O, then, at last relent: Is there no place
        Left for repentance, none for pardon left?
        None left but by submission; and that word
        Disdain forbids me, and my dread of shame
        Among the Spirits beneath, whom I seduced
        With other promises and other vaunts
        Than to submit, boasting I could subdue
        The Omnipotent. Ay me! they little know
        How dearly I abide that boast so vain,
        Under what torments inwardly I groan,
        While they adore me on the throne of Hell.
        With diadem and scepter high advanced,
        The lower still I fall, only supreme
        In misery: Such joy ambition finds.
        But say I could repent, and could obtain,
        By act of grace, my former state; how soon
        Would highth recall high thoughts, how soon unsay
        What feigned submission swore? Ease would recant
        Vows made in pain, as violent and void."

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Superior Moore Kino

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Oh yeah I read about the weird rights shit with that comic

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    he is the smurf god

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The character Rorschach's name is a reference to the Rorschach Ink Blot Test, which the character's mask resembles

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Dr Manhatten is also a reference to the Manhatten Project, which produced the Atom Bombs which destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There are a lot of references in this series.

      ...next you're gonna say Nite Owl is a reference to the nocturnal "Night" owl bird species which reflects the crime-fighting activities (taking place in darkness) of the caped hero(es). frick outta here, that's just too many coincidences.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Did you know that the character Ozymandias is a direct reference to the short poem by Percy Bysshe Shelley and how even the mightiest of plans are undone by chance and time?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          i call bullshit

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Smash Mouth talked about it, too. Do you think that makes Smash Mouth the devil?

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The Dr. Manhattan transformation scene in the movie surpasses the comic purely because of the score

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You can listen to the track while reading the chapter.

      Ye, that's kinda neat. I don't know if it was intentional, but both Alan Moore and Zack Sneeder are big on mythology so it could be an allusion. Also, isn't Satan the snek in the garden in Paradise Lost lore? How come he doesn't have to crawl around on his belly after God punishes the snek in this manner? This is something that has always bothered me in Christian circles that clearly designate the snek as Satan himself as well. I'm pretty sure in Genesis it's just meant to be a snek. Maybe he was influenced by Satan, that's fine, but if the snek is just Satan himself posing as a snek, then why would God punish all sneks?

      The snek in Watchmen is Manhattan's perception of time. His snek-like path in space is already laid out for him.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The guy who wrote watchmen was an insane schizophrenic satanist wizard so yeah. Good eye anon

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks, I remember showing my brother Watchmen when I was much younger, and he said the hydrogen atom symbol on his head is similar to some kind of Satanic third eye shit. I'm curious about more Satanic stuff in the comic

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I don't recommend it

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'm capable of reading about stuff without assimilating it

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Ozymandiaz basically performs a ritual of mass human sacrifice to ward of bad events in the future. Even if he isn't doing it for some diety, that's basically what he does.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >insane schizophrenic satanist wizard
      Based, but Alan Moore isn't a Satanist, moron.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Snyder literally can't read. He should be led out and shot for wasting hundreds of millions. If it were legal to put 10 year olds in charge of major Hollywood films, we wouldn't need Snyder anymore.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ye, that's kinda neat. I don't know if it was intentional, but both Alan Moore and Zack Sneeder are big on mythology so it could be an allusion. Also, isn't Satan the snek in the garden in Paradise Lost lore? How come he doesn't have to crawl around on his belly after God punishes the snek in this manner? This is something that has always bothered me in Christian circles that clearly designate the snek as Satan himself as well. I'm pretty sure in Genesis it's just meant to be a snek. Maybe he was influenced by Satan, that's fine, but if the snek is just Satan himself posing as a snek, then why would God punish all sneks?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      because it's a fairy tale dreamed up and perpetuated by neurotic desert sheepherders, that unfortunately seeped into european and global culture.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Cool Fedoratheist non-comment, bro.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not sure how muzzie lore handles this, but it's a topic of contention in both Christian and israeli circles. Obviously this point only applies to Christianity, but there is an argument to be made that Revelation is where people are getting this idea, because during the description of the War in Heaven, it says that Satan is thrown to Earth by the Archangel Michael, whereupon he becomes the serpent that has been deceiving mankind from the beginning. Personally I don't think this needs to be interpreted literally. Serpents being deceptive is just kind of a thing in most cultures, so it's unsurprising that this metaphor would be used. And it can still be used as a sort of allegory for the origin of evil. If fallen angels can influence human beings to do evil, there's no reason to think they couldn't also influence sentient, talking snakes.

      This is more in line with the Rabbinical israeli stance, although there is debate in Judaism overall. Just going from what I've heard from m israeli people I've met, it seems that modern pop Judaism has kind of just adopted the same stance as modern pop Christianity with regard to the idea of fallen angels, although that's not actually a israeli concept. It should be said that I'm specifically referring to the sort of half in half out secular israelites who don't really think about it all that hard. Actual scholars of the religion would have a big problem with this.

      My particular favorite interpretation comes from Kabbalah and describes the angel Samael (who is more or less Satan, but the israeli cosmological structure is a bit different and he is an angel in Grace whose job it is to tempt people) riding the snake like a camel. The visual is very funny to me.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >imaging taking ancient anime plotlines seriously

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You don't have to take it seriously to learn why people who do take it seriously think what they think.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Fair enough

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Redditando

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm just posting to say I enjoyed reading anon, frick that other guy. Not often do people consider so many different perspectives as deeply, and this shit fascinates me. I have only ever found a handful of people who are even capable of thinking this way, and I think they're all autists.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Who is Steve Jobs?

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    SO DON'T DELAY
    ACT NOW
    SUPPLIES ARE RUNNING OUT
    ALLOW IF YOU'RE STILL ALIVE
    SIX TO EIGHT YEARS TO ARRIVE
    AND IF YOU FOLLOW
    THERE MAY BE A TOMORROW
    BUT IF THE OFFER'S SHUNNED
    YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE WALKING ON THE SUN

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This is the best comic book movie adaptation ever.
    The birth of Doctor Manhattan sequence is kino of the highest order

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's the only part of the movie I liked.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >I felt fear for the last time.

        KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >didn't like the asiatics getting blown up and flamed to Ride of the Valkyries

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's the only part of the movie I liked.

      Philip Glass is king.
      Philip Glass is king.
      Philip Glass Philip Glass Philip Glass Philip Glass

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The best cornerback in the NFL is named L'Jarius. L'Jarius Sneed.

    I find that interesting.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Funny you should mention Paradise Lost, considering I started reading it for the first time recently. My glowie always makes threads about what I'm reading or watching.

    I've read the first two books so far. Pretty great stuff. Why the frick hasn't it ever even been attempted to be adapted to film or TV before? I can understand how some people would consider it unadaptable, but more abstract work has been adapted in the past.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Reading it moves one to examine their own faith and think about their relationship to God, and arguably more to Satan. The crux of this is the mastery of language Milton uses, and you can't reproduce that in film.

      Aside from that you would need fantastic performances by all actors involved, especially Satan, and it would be very, very expensive to film in a way that adheres to the glory and majesty described in the book.

      I mean later on Raphael describes the War in Heaven and at a point Satan and his legion fighting in the clouds literally unleash mass cannon fire to decimate a charge of angels whereupon Michael and charges out on a chariot and 1v1's Satan with such force that they begin creating and destroying new stars while destroying angels on both sides in their vicinity.

      Anime existed in the 1600's

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >you can't reproduce that in film.
        Yeah you could. It would be difficult, but "all things are possible"...

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bitchin' thread.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >I feel cringe for the last time

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Dr Manhattan is a man, Hitler is a man.

    I find that interesting

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Legendary Pictures was set up by WB to produce explicitly masonic films, a masonic film is one with an inverted hermeneutic. This always takes the form of the freemasonic myth of Lucifer and/or Azazel as heroes amongst humans opposed by Christ (who is always the villain). Batman films for example are always inverted hermeneutics, Batman Begins was the first film by Legendary.

    Reading the appendices of From Hell I can't believe that Alan Moore is a freemason and seems quite opposed to them, in revenge they turned his two most famous properties into explicitly masonic films. The other being V for Vendetta, the Wachowskis appearing to be either freemasons or the unwitting pawns of freemasons. Moore is an old arsehole but he seems to be one of the few people who genuinely can't be bought and doesn't want anything from the satanic structures that own everyone else so he is left alone to live his life. If he tried to make his way in their world he would have been killed or destroyed in some other way.

    The most straightforward inverted hermeneutic ever filmed is The Man Who Would be King which serves as a template for all others.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Doctor Manhat is blue and the sky is blue i thought that was a cool reference

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The entire movie is occulted.

    Nite Owl. Pyramid transnational. Moloch. Etc.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      also nukes (which are fake IRL)

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