DUNC

How much did they leave out of the movies?
I'm about to start the books.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They cut out a lot of things that are not extremely important to the plot, like the dinner scene or the traitor subplot. It's not very accurate, but very faithful to the spirit of the book - much more so than Lynch's movie.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know I will get flamed for this but could I get away with just starting at book 2?
      I normally wouldnt but I just finished the 2 new ones and have watched the miniseries (never saw the lynch one) and I'm eager to get to the next part of the story.
      I know, blasphemy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can, but you're missing out. First book is great. Messiah is difficult and depressing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean you could in theory but I would still recommend book one because of how much sovl the french hack cut out

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean you should still read the first one because it's the best one by far and the adaptations can't capture it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I know I will get flamed for this but could I get away with just starting at book 2?

        You technically could, because that book takes place after a 15 year timeskip that leaves the events of those years unexplained beyond some very broad strokes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lynch movie had better dialogue and the characters felt more like they did in the book

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        About 50% more or less.
        Villeneuve is a hack, Lynch did everything better with less time.

        wrong take

        watching Paul have a child with Chani then losing them would have made for some good character development, idk why Villeneuve left that part out.

        Probably would have added 10 more minutes to the movie that's already almost 3 hours long.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ok boomer

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Facts are facts, even if you dismess them with buzzwords

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It's not very accurate, but very faithful to the spirit of the book
      Shut the frick up.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >much more so than Lynch's movie
      They didn't even show the single most important faction in the universe in DUNC
      Where my Spacing Guild homies at?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    probably 25% of the book was left out
    quite a bit but the movies covered enough to form a coherent story

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They didn't call Paul "the boy-man"
    No mention of Baron's harem of boys that look like Paul
    No explanation of why they have no robots

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The stuff about Thufir thinking Jessica is the Harkonnen spy

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    About 50% more or less.
    Villeneuve is a hack, Lynch did everything better with less time.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    watching Paul have a child with Chani then losing them would have made for some good character development, idk why Villeneuve left that part out.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If Paul has a child with Chani, then Alia needs to be born as well.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I havent read the books but the second movie felt rushed. Hoping for a directors cut but not expecting to get it. People who have read the books know how much is missing.

    Seems like it adds to the motivations of the characters a lot more. Lynch's is better in many ways. I guess it's the directors choice what they leave in.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lol? if Dunc 2 was rushed than what does it make Dune 84?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it was rushed, the 2nd half of the book takes place over a several year period. but in the movie everything takes place in the matter of 2 weeks.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The fact many still consider Paul a hero and there are an overabundance of videos explaining why he is not, tells me how much DUNC duology failed to deliver the premise of 50 years old book.
    It's not rocket science.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most videos I've seen, even simple reactions, very quickly catch on to the fact that Paul "winning" at the end might not be good for the universe. The videos that you are referring to are made by fans of the book for other fans of the book who already know the story and seek validation.
      Lynch made a simple hero revenge story where Paul brings peace and justice to the universe at the end. This is a major betrayal of the book by Lynch's movie and pretty much completely invalidates other arguments about Dune 84 being more faithful to the book.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The first Dune is a hero revenge story.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How close was chani in the movies to the books?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bitchy and annoying in the movie
      book she is pretty much pauls concubine who knows her place

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Chani in the first book is a completely passive character. DV made her more defiant, a voice of reason if you will, in order for the audience to have anyone to relate to among characters who are all slowly becoming more and more unlikeable or straight up loathsome.

        Yeah I asked because if they didn't I would have seen a lot more ape outs over the passive chani having her white godlike bf annex her people and culture.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If they didn't change her*
          I figured it was just as possible she was a fiery native in the books too though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Chani in the first book is a completely passive character. DV made her more defiant, a voice of reason if you will, in order for the audience to have anyone to relate to among characters who are all slowly becoming more and more unlikeable or straight up loathsome.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The left out the most important word: Jihad.
    They used "crusade" and "holy war" instead.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jihad would have been 200x more kino

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lynch's Dune doesn't make any reference to any war at all. Paul just brings peace, justice and love to the universe because he's the good guy. Somehow, people never mention that with reference to Dune 84 but have a problem with DV version.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Lynch's Dune doesn't make any reference to any war at all.
        It does reference a war, though I don't remember if the 1984 theatre version shows it.

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        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          somehow this fan edit tells a better story than the DV version

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            True.

            goddamn filthy benchode bastards dune is rightful American clay

            How about this?

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            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah thats good thanks fren

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it's the same one with crappy ai upscaling I am pretty sure

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          goddamn filthy benchode bastards dune is rightful American clay

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            shit edit anyway dw man
            the part where the spacing guild introduce the houses and you cannot hear the cool reverbed voice over the booming music

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    did anyone else feel like the made Stilgar act like a cartoon character in the movie?

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Lynch's DuneLynch's Dune Lynch's Dune
    Holy frick, rent free, can't you defend your DV garbage without attacking a movie made in the 84?
    >hurr, L's Dune has bad special effects too, and rushed the story, why nobody complain about that mmmhhh?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >even Lynch doesn’t defend Lynch's dune
      Why are some turbo autist boomers so defensive of that B-grade film?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's flawed but good, meanwhile Villememe is unimaginative, can't make movies, cant' tell stories and his cast is cringe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sneed.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So I've gotten into messiah. Is the whole book written like a historical document? Because I honestly kind of like it.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >first part
    Nothing really crucial, just condensed the storyline.

    >second part
    Denis obviously didn't know how to integrate Alia into the movie, so there is no 2 year time skip in the movie
    during which Paul had a son, fricking up the character motivation behind Paul finally taking the leap and going through the spice agony.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there's no real motivation for him to drink the water at all in part 2, just his mother orchestrating everything and him being the begrudging messiah. that's kind of a problem with the entire movie, actually, he acts utterly against the prophecy and rising to power until he just doesn't, and you don't get a really sense of why he changed his mind.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        he drinks it cause he has visions of chani dying and then the Harkonnens start pounding them in the north, then he has a vision of Jamis basically telling him he needs to be able to have full sight to win. This does feel weaker than the pressure he faces in the book though

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I binged this last night and it was a complete piece of shit. Just because you theoretically can adapt 99% of the book accurately but with no budget, doesn't mean you actually should. It looks terrible, the acting is terrible, and it's somehow even more rushed than both Lynch and Villeneuve versions. It's basically just a compilation of conversations that don't near enough as much weight or quality as they should have, with everything in between those conversations either being excluded entirely or fast-forwarded due to budget constraints.

    Is Children of Dune any better whatsoever? I keep reading people say it's the better of the two, that James McAvoy is good, good music, etc but this one really left a sour taste in my mouth.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      filtered

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder if Herbert would've liked it. he liked the Lynch adaptation.
    >Though Herbert said the book's depth and symbolism seemed to intimidate many filmmakers, he was pleased with the film, saying that "They've got it. It begins as Dune does. And I hear my dialogue all the way through. There are some interpretations and liberties, but you're gonna come out knowing you've seen Dune."

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Genuinely, stop once you get to God Emperor of Dune. Even that one is a bit shit, but everything that follows (from Frank or his son) is awful. Honestly you could even stop at Messiah.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Dinner scene was pretty great, also they changed the scientist guy's (he was a dude in the books) death. Also a scene where the Fremen casually kill a bunch of Sards .

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pseudophilosophical considerations mostly. And it's a good thing.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A lot. First and foremost his sister, his daughter and everything involving Thufir's subplot. Shouldn't have cut that out. I can see why he cut Alia out, but he is a fricking pussy for it. French hack.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The bulterian jihad
    The whole traitor arc
    The Jamis fight and Paul crying over his dead body
    There is no division within the fremen about their beliefs
    The reunion between Thufir and Jessica
    Paul and Chani losing their first child in the war
    Alia being born, creepy and also killing the baron
    The ending with Jessica and Chani

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they did leave out why paul went no lube against the harkonnens in the dune part 2

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