> Dunc is the most accurate Dune Adat-ACK

> Thufir Hawat is non-factor in Dune 1 and non-existent in Dune 2
> In the Books, One of the Baron's best schemes was manipulating Thufir into thinking Jessica was the traitor
> Thufir plays a major role in devising distrust between, Feyd, the Baron, and The Emperor.
> Feyd facing a non-drugged up gladiator that almost kills him is Thufir's trolling even after being captured
> They included the incident in Dune 2 while not including the man who planned it because reasons.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Huh, so that's what the undrugged gladiator part was meant for.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the whole movie is devoid of anything interesting
    I don't get it how you can spend 2:40h and have ZERO intriguing scenes, characters, concepts, emotions, locations, costumes, dialogues

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > Muh Wide shots
      > Muh moody cinematopography

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe you feel this way because you saw it as a minimized camrip while browsing Cinemaphile?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is an unironic response I got from a friend when I said I wasn't impressed by the movie the way he was......

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I hope you ended him

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >implying the few people watching DUNC in theaters aren't looking at their phones the entire time
        Zoomers are homosexuals kek

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe you feel this way because you saw it as a minimized camrip while browsing Cinemaphile?

      I'm genuinely flabbergasted by people slobbering over this tripe.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Again, bait

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This.
      I still can't figure out how did they manage to make such a long movie where hardly anything happens.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      I'm genuinely flabbergasted by people slobbering over this tripe.

      This.
      I still can't figure out how did they manage to make such a long movie where hardly anything happens.

      Fun fact. Dune 1 and 2 combined have a longer runtime than the Dune syfy miniseries.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And sucked compared to it. Like holy shit how can a studio frick up an IP like this? Are we sure Disney didnt make nuDune?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And yet somehow the miniseries was able to stick to the core themes of the book and didn't outright vandalize it. Gonna rewatch it, actually.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It helps if you have your eyes open, anon.
      Kidding aside, I’m sorry there wasn’t anything to grip you man. I personally enjoyed several of the performances (Ferguson fricking killed it), the art direction, the score, etc. Plenty to keep me engaged. Plus as a lover of the first 4 books it’s really something to see all this fricking money and talent going towards Dune of all things. Given holkywood’s track record this should be utter trash like the hobbit or rings of powrer.
      The low points are about 75% of Zendaya’s acting and about 25% of Chalamets. She in particular really holds the movie back by just how often she’s on the screen doing a bad job.
      Pugh also sucks as usual, but is better at staying out of the way.
      Even Walken does a great job and he’s hardly in the movie.

      [...]
      I'm genuinely flabbergasted by people slobbering over this tripe.

      People like things. Sometimes those are things you dislike. What’s a movie you liked recently? Genuinely curious what sort of things you like.

      Huh, so that's what the undrugged gladiator part was meant for.

      Yep!

      Is it me or did zandaya look like a dude in this?
      Was picking up on the subtle gay messaging going on with the way their relationship was depicted and how “she” was just one of the guys.

      She looks terrible in this. And given she has a constipated scowl for over half the runtime she does look more like a dude than usual. Her face is all scrunched up.
      This is mostly bad treatment of the Chani character, Zendaya being a shit actress, and her just being mogged by a harem of prettier women. The film is full of gorgeous ladies like Ferguson, Seydoux, Taylor-Joy, etc. It really isn’t fair for her and Pugh to be around them while being so much less talented and attractive.
      I don’t think it’s a gay thing though. This movie went out of its way to kinda kill anything resembling gay subtext in the original work if anything.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >random Harkonnen goons look more imposing than Sardaukar.
        Ffs the Emperor's terror troops should have looked like this. They are described as terror troops in the book, meaning you have a license to make them overtly scary from a propaganda angle.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Dude the Harkonnen jobbers looked fricking great in Part 2, even down to the lasguns and flechette casters. The whole House just has an excellent aesthetic.
          Agree that the Sardaukar don’t quite ring right for me. Salusa Secundus was great, the blood rites were great, the throat singing was great, but the suits are just kinda…meh.
          The other thing that threw me is how they all just look like aggressively normal white dudes under their helmets. I’d rather we not see their faces at all, but if we do I’d rather they look terrifying. Like those dudes from MGSV. Pic related.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Salusa Secundus was great, the blood rites were great, the throat singing was great
            It's a direct contradiction of both plot and themes of the book.
            In book the sardaukar have gotten soft, just as addicted to the pursuit of silk, gold and status as everyone else. Only the fremen wield a living religion, and in this is their strenght.
            Movie rejects this in favour of the classical Hollywood liberal "religious fanaticism is what the bad guys do!" -logic

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The Sardakaur were still 5x the average House troop. And they were jacked. Not methheads.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And they got trashed by the fremen in every confrontation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, ambush tactics and gorilla warfare with zooted religious zealots can win vs superior forces. See:
                >every recent war the USA lost
                It's almost like Dune was a loose allegory to the ME and failure of multiple empires to tame the region (Afghanistan in particular)......

                There's no excuse for the shit casting and designs of nuDUNE. If your 250mil film is bested by a 30 yr old miniseries it's time to retire.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes, ambush tactics and gorilla warfare with zooted religious zealots can win vs superior forces. See:
                recent war the USA lost
                Pick up a book sometime anon. The US was never defeated in such a way. Ever.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This. They were all over 6 feet tall, had tons of muscle, and prominent veiny wieners. They were real hunks. The movies make them just normal white guys.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >"religious fanaticism is what the bad guys do!"

              This Black person really watched the movie and came out thinking the Fremen were portrayed as the bad guys. Embarrassing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The scene in question is from the first movie, where the fremen only fightback against colonialism while the sardaukar do the evil templar routine.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              But the Fremen, the biggest religious fanatics, win the war and easily defeat the faithless

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That is not featured in any way in the first movie.
                As for the second, they clearly wrote Chani as the self-insert character for the viewer, saying the things that the audience already agrees with (religious people are dumb, religion is a tool to control us, our just fight against the bad colonialism is being hijacked etc).

                Villeman does not engage with the themes or ideas of the book in an honest manner. That should be clear to see for all.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The question is, are they intending to make movies of Messiah/Children? It feels like the north-south fremen divide stuff was meant to work in the themes about the fallout of religious fanaticism and blind obedience to prophecy which are covered more extensively in subsequent books, but I wasn't expecting P2's ending to be left so open-ended so I don't really get what the long-term plan with the movies is intended to be.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Villenueve said he'd be done after Messiah

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Dude the Harkonnen jobbers looked fricking great in Part 2
            they looked like covid front line workers painted black, gtfo

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think Denis just likes forcing his vision on to other franchises. For example, he likes very simplistic brutalist architecture. He used in in Blade Runner 2049, and instead of reinventing himself for Dune, he instead put his Blade Runner style, into Dune. Or like BR2049 had one, pale, bald guy in black costume, and then Denis made every Harkonnen into a bald guy dressed in black. The ship designs from Blade Runner (for example the small flying things Jared Leto used to see) look basically like most ships in Dune. My point being, that if Denis adapts another famous Sci fi work, he will bend it to his idea of style. Let's for the sake of argument, say that he does a star wars movie. It will have very simple, brutalist architecture, blad villains dressed in black, Giger-esque ships, wide shots of someone walking to a place, and so on and so on. And yes, a director can have his own style, but his style is both boring, and he most likely won't feel the need to change his approach for any other film he makes.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I'm stunned nobody else realizes this. The dude has no imagination yet people are talking about this like it's the most creative looking movie in the world

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Dude the Harkonnen jobbers looked fricking great in Part 2, even down to the lasguns and flechette casters. The whole House just has an excellent aesthetic.
          Agree that the Sardaukar don’t quite ring right for me. Salusa Secundus was great, the blood rites were great, the throat singing was great, but the suits are just kinda…meh.
          The other thing that threw me is how they all just look like aggressively normal white dudes under their helmets. I’d rather we not see their faces at all, but if we do I’d rather they look terrifying. Like those dudes from MGSV. Pic related.

          I'm pretty sure in the books the Sardaukar were originally dressed/disguised to look like Harkonnens. I don't think it was revealed that they were Sardaukar until Duncan crossed blades with them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That’s 100% the case, but then DUNC should have done that.
            They’re dressed like Sardaukar in the movie, not Harkonnens.
            Basically my point is if you’re going to have sardaukar uniforms in the movie, make them intimidating as frick.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >make them intimidating as frick.
              What, you don't think poorly fitted Formula 1 racing suits worn by methhead hobos is intimidating?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I could not stop laughing when I saw this dude as a fearsome unstoppible Sardaukar.
                Clearly chosen to look like a weak racist white male.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sardaukar in the books were all fearsome 6ft+ ex cons that were the elite of the elite. Sardaukar in the movie:
                >a methhead from WV

                It's like they went out of their way to shit on the book.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And it's not just that one guy, they all look like that
                I'm pretty sure Penis and his casting guys probably thought "hmm sardaukar come from a prison planet, let's look at American prisoner mugshots, hmmm lots of blacks and hispanics here wtf but we cant make them black or hispanic that would be problematic, let's just make them look like the white prisoners (90% drug addicts and hobos) aahhh such genius"
                i really cant decide now which ones look more ridiculous, the marijuanakars or the pastry chefs from the miniseries

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                At least the miniseries Sards were built. The costume design was meh but you wouldn't want to fight one. Meanwhile, DUNC
                >elite forces of......junkies....

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I thought the look with the big stupid berets from the miniseries was actually kino, they just never looked cool when they were fighting. They had them die in the gayest way possible in Dunc also. Like way to completely undermine the whole struggle of the movie.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the movie is overloaded with moronic "creative choices" syncing it up with the current progressive liberal sensitivities, in fact there's not much left without it
                it's all just an excuse to peddle this shit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sardaukar in the books were all fearsome 6ft+ ex cons that were the elite of the elite. Sardaukar in the movie:
                >a methhead from WV

                It's like they went out of their way to shit on the book.

                And it's not just that one guy, they all look like that
                I'm pretty sure Penis and his casting guys probably thought "hmm sardaukar come from a prison planet, let's look at American prisoner mugshots, hmmm lots of blacks and hispanics here wtf but we cant make them black or hispanic that would be problematic, let's just make them look like the white prisoners (90% drug addicts and hobos) aahhh such genius"
                i really cant decide now which ones look more ridiculous, the marijuanakars or the pastry chefs from the miniseries

                At least the miniseries Sards were built. The costume design was meh but you wouldn't want to fight one. Meanwhile, DUNC
                >elite forces of......junkies....

                Sardaukar were a definite miss in the DUNC films. They’re not the terror beasts they should be.
                As another anon said the House Troops come across as more fearsome than they do. It’s one of my biggest personal pet peeves with the adaptation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Sardukar were kinda overhyped in the book too. They even mention in the appendix that the Sardukars own reputation had gone to their heads.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >overhyped in books
                homie what? They were only bested by spiced-up psycho fremen using ambush tactics. Every other House lived in abject fear of them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >SARDAUKAR: the soldier-fanatics of the Padishah Emperor. They were men from an environmental background of such ferocity that it killed six out of thirteen persons before the age of eleven. Their military training emphasized ruthlessness and a near-suicidal disregard for personal safety. They were taught from infancy to use cruelty as a standard weapon, weakening opponents with terror. At the apex of their sway over the affairs of the Universe, their swordsmanship was said to match that of the Ginaz tenth level and their cunning abilities at in-fighting were reputed to approach those of a Bene Gesserit adept. Any one of them was rated a match for any ten ordinary Landsraad military conscripts. By the time of Shaddam IV, while they were still formidable, their strength had been sapped by overconfidence, and the sustaining mystique of their warrior religion had been deeply undermined by cynicism.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >strength had been sapped by overconfidence
                Yeah that was metaphorical as they were curbstomping for centuries and still (rightly) feared in Dune. Even at half-strength that's 1:5 in their favor. Denis was a fricking moron and made it literal. His Sards look like junkies with shit designs.

                So anyways, took 200 million dollars and shat all over an IP. Ffs Herbert coulda sold out to Disney and made way more dosh. AND Paul's casting would fit bc Disney would make him gay.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Herbert coulda sold out to Disney
                Herbet wasn't in charge of the movies, he sold the novel rights to Richard P. Rubinstein.
                Only Paramount attempted to make a Dune film before WB grabbed it after their project was canned.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Herbert's wank about how harsh and cruel life = super soldiers is so cringe. How could a military that intentionally kills more than half of its own recruits and destroys the cohesion of the rest with Dedovshchina and infighting be any good. Wars are mostly attritional struggles won by ressources and logistics, even premodern wars with melee infantry. For smaller armies to win against larger ones they need high cohesion, quality equipment and training and so on, not suicidal fanaticism. It worked so great for Japan and ISIS, didn't it?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It worked so great for Japan and ISIS, didn't it?
                Japan and Isis didn't live in a world where genetics worked like thet do in DUNC.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >overhyped in books
                homie what? They were only bested by spiced-up psycho fremen using ambush tactics. Every other House lived in abject fear of them.

                Yeah I agree. The Sardaukar were high off their own farts but there was no question they deserved that reputation.
                If anything the Fremen are the ones who feel overhyped, simply because they punch so high above their weight class.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This. I was glad to see them get dabbed on by the Sardaukar in DUNC Pt 1 because in the books the Fremen just assrape constantly

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Chani should have been more like this. And loyal and supportive. Let Jamis be the scowling naysaying character.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Correct. Her loyalty and support are especially important when she serves as part of Paul’s counsel later on. It’s hard to consider her criticisms later in the Jihad valid when she’s already throwing tantrums like a two year old.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I rewatxhed Dunc1 last night, and found that I wasn't terribly bothered by Chani appearing as a guide in Paul's visions. I think it could have worked more broadly if Villeneuve committed to the bit, as the book describes futuresight as analogous to walking up and down cresting sand dunes; sometimes you're up high and can see far, sometimes your low and have a limited view. I think there was an opportunity there to have Paul within a vision desert looking in different directions and seeing different events play out simultaneously. With chani there as some kind of silent guide. Let it be trippy! Lean into the weirdness.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              But to reiterate. Chani must be pretty. For goodness sake, why would you make her a scowling liberal mongoloid???

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Problem is, ~~*they*~~ don't ever want to put a cute Arab actress as the love interest or main character.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I rewatxhed Dunc1 last night, and found that I wasn't terribly bothered by Chani appearing as a guide in Paul's visions. I think it could have worked more broadly if Villeneuve committed to the bit, as the book describes futuresight as analogous to walking up and down cresting sand dunes; sometimes you're up high and can see far, sometimes your low and have a limited view. I think there was an opportunity there to have Paul within a vision desert looking in different directions and seeing different events play out simultaneously. With chani there as some kind of silent guide. Let it be trippy! Lean into the weirdness.

          qt sihaya

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Given holkywood’s track record this should be utter trash like the hobbit or rings of powrer.

        Ahhh that explains it. You praise mediocre garbage because you've been beaten down by previous more incompetent garbage.
        You no longer can tell the difference between shit and shinola. You good npc. Consume mediocrity.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I just watched this Dunc review that perfect encapsulates what you just said

          ?si=CJqeUN0Jm6tqzaUH

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Stop shilling yourself on here. Buy an ad homosexual

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Accurate criticism of the first film, gives the much worse second film a pass. You got hyped. It’s trash
            Btw who is “Greg Furgusson”? I’ve heard of Gred Frasier.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Everyone who disagrees with me is a drooling consoomer
          Bad way to live, anon. I liked the movie on its own merits, and dislike things that I think are trash.
          It’s not citizen cane, but it is a solid Dune movie.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You reek of frustration, why are you seething this hard ?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >as a lover of the first 4 books
        You love the fourth book? lol why

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's truly a mystery, guess someone noticed how the big pile of nothing The Batman was brought a good amount of money and decided to try the same to see if there was something people liked about that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Zoomer core cinema.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Doubling down on the bait

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're baiting too hard

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't do what I did
      >reread the book and watched the sciFi Dune miniseries to get H Y P E
      >see movie on premier night
      >its an affront to the novel AND beauty itself
      Viilanuevo and the casting director should kill themselves. NPCs b fellating this trash too lool

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Part 1 was meh, but better than I thought it would be. Part 2 was genuinely bad.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        exactly
        anyone fellating this shit is disingenuous as it was much worse than the first one

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      sounds like we watched different movies, i was engaged through most of it besides some of the early desert scenes, surprisingly good knife fights too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Take roommate to see it
      >fat frick falls asleep
      >doesn't understand anything
      >have to explain it all to him
      many such cases

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm gonna tell him you called him that

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You described what Villeneuve does in all of his films.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I didn’t enjoy the movie overall but Giedi Prime was still hype

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      there was precisely one (1) good scene in this film and it was when Paul goes to the meeting in the South and absolutely moggs the entire Fremen population.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it was a nice contrast to the scene where they enter the sietch and they get swarmed by angry ooking chimps wanting to tear them apart

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Oh so it's just like part one.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's worse, I thought the 1st one was ok

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is it me or did zandaya look like a dude in this?
    Was picking up on the subtle gay messaging going on with the way their relationship was depicted and how “she” was just one of the guys.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      She looks like a girly teenage boy from Tijuana. Her features are very underdeveloped.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        low sexual dimorphism

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Black person.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Adat-

      no it's ur wishful thinking. im sorry anon but uruguay

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      She looks like a Filipino boy in everything at all times

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thufir who ?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thufir who, hawat, why, when, and where?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cinemaphile has been saying this DAILY since dunc dropped. Remove Thufir, 99% the political games + characterization are removed. Denis is only interested in Bene Gesserits + Paul being the powerbrokers. It's easy to say book purists are phDs watching a blockbuster for daycare kids, but he's not good enough to make it complex while fun for Zoomers.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hawat is non-factor in Dune 1 and non-existent in Dune 2
    Who cares? "Oh no this mentat supporting character has a reduced role in the film adaptation??? Frick Hollyjews conspiring to make me a virgin and *checks notes* condensing novels so they work in screen adaptations!!!"
    >>In the Books, One of the Baron's best schemes was manipulating Thufir into thinking Jessica was the traitor
    Too bloated and complex for film, also mostly nonverbal
    plays a major role in devising distrust between, Feyd, the Baron, and The Emperor.
    You NEED a character to sow distrust between ruthless nobles? It doesn't even make sense that the Harkonnens would trust Thufit in the slightest
    >>Feyd facing a non-drugged up gladiator that almost kills him is Thufir's trolling even after being captured
    Works fine as the Baron's idea
    >>They included the incident in Dune 2 while not including the man who planned it because reasons.
    Because it wouod be too dense and pointless in an already 3-hour movie

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > "nonverbal"
      Which is a great chance for Denis to try out that altar of "silent filmmaking" he worships. Alas he had too much on his plate, to meet the deadline and recoup the budget.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It wouldn't be silent? It would be nonstop monologuing from characters' thoughts

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      All you're convincing anyone of is that making this story into a movie in the first place was fricking stupid, happened purely for the sake of Deneeeeeeeee's ego, and that you're a massive wienersucking poofoid for defending it.

      If you can't effectively tell the whole story - not every last shred of minutiae, but the whole actual story with all its plots, subplots, and main players intact - in the runtime of a film, make a fricking TV series. But they already did that, it ran for *less* time than Deneeeeeeeeeeeeeee's shitty "visual feast", and still managed to tell more of the story than he could, so maybe the problem is just that Deneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee is a fricking hack and you're a shitty pseud for liking his garbage.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>>In the Books, One of the Baron's best schemes was manipulating Thufir into thinking Jessica was the traitor
      >Too bloated and complex for film, also mostly nonverbal
      And yet it was important through the story. Let me explain how Piter and Thufir influenced the plot and caused the downfall of the Padisha emperor.
      >Piter finds out a way to turn Yueh traitor (a move that Rabban rightfully questions)
      >Thufir is convinced that Jessica is a spy, and Gurney is brought in on the suspicion
      >Yueh does change his loyalties again, helping Leto kill Piter in the process
      >Piter's death caused Harkonnen's to take Thufir in, due to needing a mentat bad
      >Thufir set it up so Feyd and Baron think they are both trying to kill each other
      >To appease the situation, the Baron throws Rabban to the wolves as a fall guy, and sabotaging him
      >Rabban's failure causes the emperor to take notice too, and come down personally
      >Meanwhile Gurney believing that Jessica is a traitor, causes him to almost kill her
      >Paul takes the water of life, because he did not forsee such an event
      >The emperor and Paul have their confrontation, and Thufir let's himself die, instead of playing a role for the House Harkonnen and the Emperor
      >Paul wins
      Basically, the mad mentat and the loyal mentat, both play big roles in causing the Paul and Emperor meeting, and Paul taking the throne. All of that is reduced to
      >Piter being an exposition giver with zero character
      >Thufir disappearing with no explanation
      >Paul taking the water of life because Harkonnens used cannons against the Fremen
      >And Rabban being an actual cowardly idiot

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This is all cool shit power moves that would make for a nice show
        DUNCs are hollow shells of bare bones story with no meat or character progression despite the runtime

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >>To appease the situation, the Baron throws Rabban to the wolves as a fall guy, and sabotaging him
        I am fairly certain the Baron appointed Rabban governor and told him to be ruthless with the population (so he would be hated) just after Thufir was captured but before he had actually begun working for the Harkonnens.
        So Thufir's actions couldn't possibly have caused Rabban's setup for failure and the Emperor's arrival.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I just reread that part. Basically Thufir suggested to the Baron, that he cut off Rabban from all support, advice, troops and so on, while increasing demands. That would cause Rabban to be more cruel towards the population, all the while failing to meet his quotas. Then Feyd can come in, and replace Rabban as a savior. So yeah, Thufir set up a situation where Feyd and Baron were at odds with each other, he set up a situation where Rabban gets turned into a fall guy, and all of it leads to the emperor visiting Arrakis himself. And the Baron ain't blind to it. He does wonder how Thufir's personal scheming, fits into all of this.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Basically Thufir suggested to the Baron, that he cut off Rabban from all support, advice, troops and so on, while increasing demands.
            Ah, I see.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This kinda stuff is what makes me question Villenueve's fandom in the first place. I'm not an accuracy stickler, I don't ever expect movies to fully adapt their books, but I just don't see how you adapt a geopolitical thriller into a blockbuster spectacle fest, cutting out all of the political maneuvering. He makes Dune as a universe feel so small.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Dune would have made for a good HBO miniseries. 8 hour, hour long eps could have covered the story.
              This entire week people have been telling me that "bro you gotta understand that adaptations have to cut stuff, and streamline the narrative". But Denis literally took a novel that was less about the fighting, and more about politics, ecology, fate, power, religion and etc, and said that it's gonna be an action packed thrill ride. And it was. At the expense of the characters and depth. I'm still not over how the final confrontation went from Paul and the Emperor going through a sort of a chess match of different plot and schemes, into Paul taking power by brute force, taking everyone prisoner, stomping on the ground (that moment was actually moronic), and then just saying "frick it, kill em all".

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                For all the love Dennis has for concrete slabs, it would be funny to see chalameme try to stomp on one and produce an imposing sound

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I honestly think Villeneauve's "fandom" begins and ends with his mommy fetish. It's written all over the way he depicted the Bene Gesserit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Villeneuve literally admitted in an interview that he cut all the mentat stuff to focus on the Bene Gesserit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Focus is putting it a bit strongly. The actual Bene Gesserit organization gets focused on only in the middle part of the movie, around Feyd. Before that, it's one scene with irulan and Mohiam, and in the end they are just present. Give or take, they had 10 minutes of screentime in that film.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the only thing he put focus on is scowling muttoid creatura
                everything else is underplayed, cut or written off
                the movie is empty

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Focus is putting it a bit strongly. The actual Bene Gesserit organization gets focused on only in the middle part of the movie, around Feyd. Before that, it's one scene with irulan and Mohiam, and in the end they are just present. Give or take, they had 10 minutes of screentime in that film.

                I'm just conveying what he said in an interview not that I agree with him.
                > “One of the most painful choices for me on this one was [to not include] Thufir Hawat,” Villeneuve told Entertainment Weekly. “He’s a character I absolutely love, but I decided right at the beginning that I was making a Bene Gesserit adaptation. That meant that Mentats are not as present as they should be, but it’s the nature of the adaptation.”

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why would he decide that? Why would it even need to be a choice of one or the other?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Better question. Who are you to question him?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                bene gesserit = strong women creaturas
                not that he can argue there's a focus on them

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >>>In the Books, One of the Baron's best schemes was manipulating Thufir into thinking Jessica was the traitor
            >Too bloated and complex for film, also mostly nonverbal
            And yet it was important through the story. Let me explain how Piter and Thufir influenced the plot and caused the downfall of the Padisha emperor.
            >Piter finds out a way to turn Yueh traitor (a move that Rabban rightfully questions)
            >Thufir is convinced that Jessica is a spy, and Gurney is brought in on the suspicion
            >Yueh does change his loyalties again, helping Leto kill Piter in the process
            >Piter's death caused Harkonnen's to take Thufir in, due to needing a mentat bad
            >Thufir set it up so Feyd and Baron think they are both trying to kill each other
            >To appease the situation, the Baron throws Rabban to the wolves as a fall guy, and sabotaging him
            >Rabban's failure causes the emperor to take notice too, and come down personally
            >Meanwhile Gurney believing that Jessica is a traitor, causes him to almost kill her
            >Paul takes the water of life, because he did not forsee such an event
            >The emperor and Paul have their confrontation, and Thufir let's himself die, instead of playing a role for the House Harkonnen and the Emperor
            >Paul wins
            Basically, the mad mentat and the loyal mentat, both play big roles in causing the Paul and Emperor meeting, and Paul taking the throne. All of that is reduced to
            >Piter being an exposition giver with zero character
            >Thufir disappearing with no explanation
            >Paul taking the water of life because Harkonnens used cannons against the Fremen
            >And Rabban being an actual cowardly idiot

            Holy kinography! Why didn't I get this movie?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Too bloated and complex for film, also mostly nonverbal
      You're a midwit who has fallen for the "show don't tell" meme. You're adapting a novel with dense plotting and characterisation but becuase you and villeneuve sadly never moved beyond the entry level screenwriting seminars you've attended we get this shallow piece of shit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's not the worst part. Having Feyd killed would ruin the Baron's plans. That stunt being Baron's scheme makes him look incompetent and moronic and is a dumb way of showing "omg, House Harkonnen is full of ruthless backstabbers".

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Too bloated and complex for film
      Movies confirmed to be an inferior medium.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You forget that Thufir making Feyd and Baron distrust each other, is the reason why the Baron sets Rabban up as a fall guy, to give Feyd Arrakis. That decision causes the Emperor to come down on Arrakis first, setting up the climax, where Thufir would rather die, than kill Paul (a beautiful scene in itself). Thufir and Piter were both failed in the adaptation, as they are supposed to be beings of logic, but Piter is twisted into a monster, while Thufir puts loyalty over logic.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Thufir Hawat
    He's a fricking boring character, I'm glad they didn't spend 30min on him scheming

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >In the Books, One of the Baron's best schemes was manipulating Thufir into thinking Jessica was the traitor
    This didn't amount to anything though. She proves she's not and that's it. It's just a distraction, a waste of time, an unnecessary plot to keep when adapting the movie. Even everything else is unnecessary or can easily be done by another character, things like distrust between the Harkonens and the Emperor doesn't need someone to be caused be a person at all, it's obvious there would be distrust there just on it's own.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It did, though. It kept Thufir off the scent of Yueh.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >if we get Dune Messiah we get to watch Zendaya die
    >if we get Children of Dune we get to watch Anya Taylor Joy die

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He's clearly going to make even more radical changes if the third one gets made, he doesn't even want to do Children and onwards because it's "too weird" for his pedestrian sensibilities - I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he goes full on
      >Check Yourself, Sit Down, Be Respectful
      in the finale and has Chani girlboss the messiah into accepting he's just an evil straightwhitemale oppressor or somesuch horseshit.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't need it to be an accurate adaptation, I'm fully onboard with changing things from the source material in adaptations if it better serves the movie. My problem is outside of Giedi Prime it's just such a bland unambitious movie. I don't see an imaginative spark anywhere. It's a workmans like approach to just slamming everything they could from the book onto the screen in the safest grim and realistic way possible so as not to alienate audiences, butchering the pacing and characters in the process. Dune is a fricking weird property. Why doesn't it feel like it here?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Not him but I think the viewer is definitely supposed to shift to Chani by the end. Paul was the surrogate that got you up to speed. Villenueve was trying to make the PAUL BAD narrative idiot proof by seeding it through the whole movie so when he does finally take control and becomes and aggro butthole the viewer has Chani still.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fair point. He does seem really concerned about the clapping seals understand that Paul will do bad things.
      I do end up ignoring Zendaya half the time so that may have twisted my memory.

      [...]
      >Save the Sardaukar, a lot of the designs in DUNC are excellent.
      What are you on about? Dennis's Harkonnens look absolutely moronic and nothing like the book. In fact the only design he got really, really well, and I'll give him this, because he really did get it, was the ornithopter. Even the fricking worms are off. I'm glad he didn't show navigators, because I'm sure they'd be fricked up in some way, like giant Yakubs sitting in spice jacuzzis or some shit.

      I think the Harkonnens are great. Agree that the Ornithopter is perfect.
      Overall I personally think there’s more good art design than bad, even if it’s not 1:1 accurate.
      That said, I agree with you on the Navigators. DV has demonstrated his great weakness is weird, something Lynch was masterful at.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Save the Sardaukar, a lot of the designs in DUNC are excellent.
    What are you on about? Dennis's Harkonnens look absolutely moronic and nothing like the book. In fact the only design he got really, really well, and I'll give him this, because he really did get it, was the ornithopter. Even the fricking worms are off. I'm glad he didn't show navigators, because I'm sure they'd be fricked up in some way, like giant Yakubs sitting in spice jacuzzis or some shit.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >a lot of the designs in DUNC are excellent.
    lul
    >Giedi Prime was great.
    lel

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Whatever
      >Not like the book
      opinion you might have about it, Giedi Prime was definitely the most interesting part of the movie and the only place where they actually got weird with it. Most of the rest of the movie felt like a 2010s Middle East war movie

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nice arguments bud.

      Whatever
      >Not like the book
      opinion you might have about it, Giedi Prime was definitely the most interesting part of the movie and the only place where they actually got weird with it. Most of the rest of the movie felt like a 2010s Middle East war movie

      Hands down.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine reading books like a loser lmao fricking nerd

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why are guns suddenly a viable thing in Part 2?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don't use shields in worm territory

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      villuneieve needed some poorly conceived action scenes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don't use shields in worm territory

      Shields + lasgun = nuclear explosion.
      No shields + lasgun / flechette / artillery = dead enemy.
      Shields no good in worm territory.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The reason they don't use guns is that if you shoot someone with a personal shield with a lasgun it causes a giant fricking explosion that will assuredly kill both shooter and target. But shields also attract the sand worms, so you can't use the shields out in the desert.

      Ergo, no shields means guns are viable again. This makes it a bit stupid because the result of this is that no Fremen knows how to fight with shields, and the Sardaukar definitely do. That final battle at Arakeen should not have been a curbstomp for the Fremen, I'm actually a bit confused as to what the reasoning is for why they're just rolling these guys.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    New cast is mostly all great additions, especially Feyd and Irulan, or mostly harmless like Walken.
    Zendaya does absolutely drag the movie down, while Fergusson still largely carries it.
    Personally I liked the aesthetic. But gustus de gustibus.
    I was at first kinda mad they almost wrote Alia out of the movie as a character, but the more I think about it the more I think the way it was done is actually quite clever.
    The final battle was dissapointing in many ways, but duel with Feyd was ok. Although melee combat in both movies feels kinda bad, one side almost always just gets pwned mercilessly.
    I think anons are a bit too mad about the thing, even if a lot of themes had to be condensed or skipped to make the thing work.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I agree with almost all of this, except that I thought Walken was good in a nuanced way and Pugh was a little flat.
      100% agreed on the terrible fencing in these movies so far. The fremen dark souls rolls got particularly grating after a while.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He doesn't do a bad job, but there's kinda not a whole of him in the movie, and what there is is very subdued. John Noble's Denethor he sure as hell ain't. But he is completely inoffensive in the role.

        Feyd was an amoral chad in the books not some albino freak. Kys but before you do
        >read the fricking book

        I did read it. Although it was long ago, so truth to be told a lot of the details I forgot over time.
        I don't mind Harkonnens being bald. They didn't make Feyd as deprived of honour as he was in the book, iirc he cheated during the duel with Paul a lot, but to be honest I don't take issue with that. In the book none of these guys are particularly complex villains to begin with. Direction they took with him works for me.

        I feel like the cast all do well with what they're given except Chalamet and Zendaya who just don't have chemistry or presence but are also so underwritten it's hard to blame them. Bardem and Ferguson try so hard but they've been flattened in-between movies. Wild that there's almost 6 hours of material here and I can't give a shit about any of these people

        I agree that Chalamet and especially Zendaya are the worst offenders. At certain point in the 2nd part I got hopeful for Chalamet but then they just cut his character development. in the book, Paul was terrified of his friends becoming his worshippers, you don't have that in the movies.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't mind Harkonnens being bald.
          >this is Boba Fett, he's a bounty hunter and has a cool armour
          >all his people are bounty hunters and have cool armour

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't mind Harkonnens being bald.
            You're entitled to your opinion. In my opinion, bald, pale Harkonnens looks silly as frick. It's grating. It's obviously designed to make average subhuman American moviegoers understand they're the bad guys. That's why their colours are mostly black and red, when in the books it's blue and orange. Also their new spiky sigil is fricking shit. It should be a majestic gryphon. I personally hate it when directors pander to the lowest common denominator with design.

            The reason this characterization works out for me is because it does succeed at conveying them as members of society that's sickly, detached from nature, lacking in individual quality (and frankly in any redeemable quality, really) and essentially a culture of bugmen. Once again, book is very heavy handed about it as well, and never (far as I remember) tries to redeem them as much more than that. But it is without a doubt an artistic liberty and you thinking it's over the top is perfectly understandable to me.
            Other anon complaining about sardaukar's ethnicity is much more reasonable nitpick to me tbh. Racial themes overall seem to be quite heavy handed in general in Villeneuve's adaptation.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It also just looks cool. Brutal sun washing out a planet and turning the people into joyless bugmen as you say works and is the kind of weird artistic interpretation I want more of. Lynch (and Jodorowky's) interpretations have their own issues but you can't deny the imagination. Villenueve feels incapable of taking creative liberties here and we're left with a really cold and uninspiring adaptation as a result.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't mind Harkonnens being bald.
          You're entitled to your opinion. In my opinion, bald, pale Harkonnens looks silly as frick. It's grating. It's obviously designed to make average subhuman American moviegoers understand they're the bad guys. That's why their colours are mostly black and red, when in the books it's blue and orange. Also their new spiky sigil is fricking shit. It should be a majestic gryphon. I personally hate it when directors pander to the lowest common denominator with design.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            anon I agree but this is the only way this shit was ever getting made
            imagine how much Penis was sweating, pitching all the evilwyteman angles for the movies

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Feyd was an amoral chad in the books not some albino freak. Kys but before you do
      >read the fricking book

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I feel like the cast all do well with what they're given except Chalamet and Zendaya who just don't have chemistry or presence but are also so underwritten it's hard to blame them. Bardem and Ferguson try so hard but they've been flattened in-between movies. Wild that there's almost 6 hours of material here and I can't give a shit about any of these people

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Meanwhile
        >the 2000s scifi miniswries absolutely nailed the casting and parts of the book
        >I Was A Friend of Jamis scene still puts a lump in my throat

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ferguson does no such thing she plays one note side character
      there is not one memorable performance I suppose pieter was the maximum Penis could muster up
      every actor ranged from replaceable to laughable
      ok lets say lea was well cast

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ok after reading

        Meanwhile
        >the 2000s scifi miniswries absolutely nailed the casting and parts of the book
        >I Was A Friend of Jamis scene still puts a lump in my throat

        I have to admit jamis was good
        still that was only the first movie so just like pieter

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The really fricked up thing is that Dune has really unique characters. Even the ones with minor roles could be memorable and a potential showcase for good acting if the writing didn't suck so bad in DUNC. Such a fricking waste.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Feyd duel was 10/10 hype. Best part of the movie.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Shit was dumber than Anakin vs. Obi-Wan

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The fight was cool yes. But it came out of nowhere (the build up was bad), and it was just an honorable 1v1, with a John Wick finisher. In the novel, Feyd had a poison needle on him, and Paul had to fully control his movement to avoid it. Also, Margot Fenring implanted a code word into Feyd, that would relax his muscles. Paul knows the word, but screams that he won't say it. And in an ironic twist, Paul screaming that he won't say the paralyzing word, paralyzed Feyd in confusion, for the split second it took for the killing blow to land. In a way, Paul rejected the path laid out for him, and he arrived at the same destination, no matter if he wanted it or not.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Damn what kino was lost
          Would be funny if Feyd suddenly shitted himself during the combat

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm aware of all that. The absence of the poison needle isn't a big deal. The choreography and acting was great, and the lack of music.
          The choreography conveyed the same idea as the book, that Paul is in mortal danger and that one wrong move will kill him.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >no matter if he wanted it or not.
          dunc did a poor representation of how prescience works and what the waters of life actually did to Paul

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Zendaya does absolutely drag the movie down

      I'm looking forward to the fan edit that removes 95% of chain's scenes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The feyd-rautha arena battle was kino as frick

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You know, i totally understand paul. Imagine having to spend the rest of your life with that creature on right on a shitty desert planet. Frick the sandBlack folk, go with the blond stacy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Zendaya isn't even a sandBlack person. She's 100% mutt. We used to get Halle Berry now we get Smelly Reggae

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    From that angle Pugh looks just like my coworker.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There's another tangle I'd like my Pew

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why the frick don't the Harkonnen soldiers have shields on during the Jihad against the harvester?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No shields in sandworm territory. Leads to you getting fricked by Shai Hulud.
      Also lasguns. Having a shield around lasguns will get them all killed.
      Harkonnen drones are disposable, but nuking an entire spice flat isn’t a good play.

      [...]
      Shields + lasgun = nuclear explosion.
      No shields + lasgun / flechette / artillery = dead enemy.
      Shields no good in worm territory.

      Don’t make me tap the sign again.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >No shields in sandworm territory
        They're escorting a harvester. Literally, standing right near its treads and little weird legs. I think the worms are gonna be attracted by that first, yeah? Just a thought.
        >Also lasguns. Having a shield around lasguns will get them all killed.
        I've heard this a lot, but it's never established in the film. Hell, lasers barely exist at all. IIRC they show up in Part One to cut through the door, begging the question of how did they know the people on the other side who they EXPLICITLY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO HARM weren't a) in the path of the laser, which they almost were, or b) wearing an active shield. Did the Harkonnen's/Emperor's "Elite" soldiers read the script? In Part Two I only remember them briefly appearing when the Fremen laser aforementioned harvester, which doesn't have a shield for some reason, and which they don't loot for another unexplained reason, despite having spent the last half hour in a montage detailing desert survival and how they need to recycle everything from the opposition, down to moisture. Eh, frick it. Just blow it up lmao. Also on a semi-related note, when Paul and Chani are shooting down the thopter, why does the RPG go through the shield on the second attempt? I mean the shield is still up, it recognizes the missile, but doesn't stop it... for some reason. I guess the plot needed it to stop working. Eh, whatever.
        Did a moron write this?
        >Co-written by the writer of Prometheus
        Oh...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Don't forget they run up to the harvester to get killed by the gunship only to later laser the harvester's breasts off from afar
          What the frick was that

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          As for the missile, it gripped the gunship when they were shooting Paul, offscreen, the shooter didn't notice
          It's quite clear
          Why didn't they use a much more suitable laser instead, I dunno

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I got the whole blast 'em while the machine gun is firing/shields are down thing, that's Star Trek 101, but due to the editing or just awkward direction, the machine gun stops firing after being baited Paul's "distraction" long before the missile is actually fired, let alone makes contact with the shield.
            So what the frick lol. Is this the most amateur hour $200,000,000 production ever? This shit seems like it could have been directed by Zack Snyder. Action and dialogue both.

            Don't forget they run up to the harvester to get killed by the gunship only to later laser the harvester's breasts off from afar
            What the frick was that

            Yeah that was funny. I almost give this a pass because the Fremen seem like savages to a degree, I.E. they WANT to murder b***hes just as a reward, regardless of efficiency. It's the destroying the equipment that bites me in the ass.
            Also that cache of nukes made me kek.
            >Paul, only your DNA will open the door. Finger the holes to open it.
            Gurney kinda forgot they could just laser the door.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >but due to the editing or just awkward direction, the machine gun stops firing after being baited Paul's "distraction" long before the missile is actually fired, let alone makes contact with the shield.
              It's just le epic moment direction
              the gunner was shooting and when he turned to her we assume she's going to shoot but it turns out she already did, offscreen
              Which makes zero sense that the delay would be that big
              Instead of fricking around with unwieldy delayed rocket launchers the snipers could have lasered it as soon as it started shooting
              The action scenes are poorly done but they're also moronic

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't care, I watched it four times already

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Also, Gurney was done so dirty in the movie. He just shows up, gives the nukes, doesn't even notice Jessica, kills Rabban and acts like a hype man.
    In the novel, past the fall of his house, Gurney is filled with anger, but doesn't get any chances for payback. He fails to get get the traitor, and doesn't get to kill Rabban, Baron or Feyd. All that makes it so Paul feels like he is losing another dear friend on his quest (as Stilgar has gone from friend/mentor to follower). And in the end, Gurney and Jessica become lovers.
    So yeah, Denis had Gurney and Jessica not even notice each other. Gurney trying to murder Jessica, and Paul trying to protect his mom from his last closest ally, could have been a great dramatic scene. And a good reason for Paul to make sure that he has foresight into all such future events. And Gurney needed that development where he and Jessica become close. Next movie will have to both retcon Chani, and mention that the two characters who didn't interact in part 1 and 2, are now lovers.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I thought it was a decent adaptation, the only scene which I was highly disappointed by was Paul drinking the water of life, so many opportunities to show truly awesome things, yet I found it extremely underwhelming. Wakes up with his stupid phase only to be slapped in the face by this permafrowning b***h. Everytime the villeneuve did a close up of that mongrel the film got 2% worse.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Both water of life scenes could have been trippy, shown cryptic stuff from future movies and been more memorable. But Denis skips out on both of them. Just loud noise, liquid shots, boom, they did it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, and those were pivotal parts in the story. he just skipped right over them. the editing was so fricking bad.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >. the editing was so fricking bad.
          I thought so as well
          The scenes were not gelling and everything of value was washed away

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah, and those were pivotal parts in the story. he just skipped right over them. the editing was so fricking bad.

            The editing is bad, because Denis shot like 180 extra minutes of footage, and then set himself both a runtime he has to cram everything into, and a bow that no one will ever see what he cut. I'm sure many character building moments were lost, so that Denis can add his own scene where Rabban goes out like a badass, calls out Muadib, and then sprints away scared, when Muadib strikes back. All of that could have been summed up as an off hand remark like
            >"Rabban keeps losing more troops and he has no victories to show for it"

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Adat-
    What were you trying to spell here?

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >> Thufir plays a major role in devising distrust between, Feyd, the Baron, and The Emperor.
    does he actually though?
    the narrator states Thufirs schemes "almost destroyed" the Baron and Feyd but the only thing I recall ever happening was Thufir giving Feyd the idea to give one of the Baron's catamites a hidden poison needle
    no wonder this dumbass killed himself, he served his arch enemies for years and accomplished nothing

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>>In the Books, One of the Baron's best schemes was manipulating Thufir into thinking Jessica was the traitor
      >Too bloated and complex for film, also mostly nonverbal
      And yet it was important through the story. Let me explain how Piter and Thufir influenced the plot and caused the downfall of the Padisha emperor.
      >Piter finds out a way to turn Yueh traitor (a move that Rabban rightfully questions)
      >Thufir is convinced that Jessica is a spy, and Gurney is brought in on the suspicion
      >Yueh does change his loyalties again, helping Leto kill Piter in the process
      >Piter's death caused Harkonnen's to take Thufir in, due to needing a mentat bad
      >Thufir set it up so Feyd and Baron think they are both trying to kill each other
      >To appease the situation, the Baron throws Rabban to the wolves as a fall guy, and sabotaging him
      >Rabban's failure causes the emperor to take notice too, and come down personally
      >Meanwhile Gurney believing that Jessica is a traitor, causes him to almost kill her
      >Paul takes the water of life, because he did not forsee such an event
      >The emperor and Paul have their confrontation, and Thufir let's himself die, instead of playing a role for the House Harkonnen and the Emperor
      >Paul wins
      Basically, the mad mentat and the loyal mentat, both play big roles in causing the Paul and Emperor meeting, and Paul taking the throne. All of that is reduced to
      >Piter being an exposition giver with zero character
      >Thufir disappearing with no explanation
      >Paul taking the water of life because Harkonnens used cannons against the Fremen
      >And Rabban being an actual cowardly idiot

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I liked Nu-Feyd. He wasn't above horrific brutality, but he had a personal code of honor, and an easily amused demeanor.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wait a minute, I just realized something. In part 1, they establish clearly, that if word ever gets out that the emperor took sides in destroying a noble house, all other houses would turn against him, because he is supposed to be impartial.
    Kaynes is even asked to testify, so the word of basically Paul, Jessica, Duncan and Kaynes, would have taken out the emperor.
    Now in the novels conclusion, Emperor being a part of the fall of house Attreides is not an issue. Paul gains power by navigating around emperors plots and plans, and takes power anyway.
    Now in part 2, the emperor straight up confesses in front of his people, the Fremen, Gurney, Irulan, Jessica, and others, that he indeed helped have Duke Leto and his house killed. That's literally Paul's victory. All he had to do was send up another message to the Lansraad ships, telling them that the emperor just confessed to taking sides, and that they should remove him immediately. No matter if the noble houses like Paul or not, the Emperor lost when he confessed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think by that point it doesn't matter, because Paul is effectively holding a gun to the Emperor's head and the entire galaxy. Can't really accept the word of a man under duress, yeah? I still don't understand why the frick Paul didn't just murder the Emperor and Irulan, or why the Jihad even waits to see if Paul becomes Emperor.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      at the end of Dunc 2 the guild/landsraad doesnt even bow down because of the spice control like they do in the book, couldnt believe it

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    another interracial couple?

    baka

    woke

    im tired of seeing all this woke propaganda on my tv screen

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ack?

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly I think this is a LotR situation. There are many differences with the novels (some really bad...) but it still conveys the original themes of the story and is probably the best adaptation we'll ever get.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Go to bed, Penis

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Kys. Don't ever compare this eyerape explosionfest to LOTR adaptations again.

      The Feyd duel was 10/10 hype. Best part of the movie.

      The 2000s miniseries did it better. They actually choregraphed the fight and used real (dulled) blades.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Haven't seen it yet, I've only seen part 1 of the mini-series

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's not the same. The LotR films provide context so you don't have to read the book, but Dunc doesn't do this. All you get are character moments, but none of the exposition that explains why the characters are doing the things they are doing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thematically the Duncs have been weak

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wrote off these movies when he cut the dinner party from the first movie. That scene sets up so much character, narrative, politics and world building that you have to fundamentally misunderstand Dune to cut it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      For me, it was when Liet Kynes died. His character had an ironic death, being killed by the planet he cares about, while figuring out what he should have done. Denis turned Kynes' death into a badass "you go girl" hollywood death. Also, movie Kynes is mentioned as an ecologist, but doesn't really do anything ecology related (nor do they mention that the large collections of water that the Fremen possess, were started by him, as the dream of a green Arrakis, is something he gave them, and something that the series carries on), and she is mentioned being accepted by the Fremen, but not that Kynes is an unofficial Fremen leader, and quite a wild one at that (if I remember correctly, he was damn near ready to cut someone's throat over an insult in the diner scene).

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        dune is a tragedy, villistupid didn't wanna direct a tragedy coz those don't make any money.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i'm really torn on this scene, becuase while yes you are correct that the way liet kynes died had narrative irony, the way she died in the movie was really cool in that it was a visual motif that is evocative of old samurai films where when someone gets stabbed or cut they shoot geysers of blood that are unrealistic but beautiful, and this movie did that but with water instead, which helped to reinforce the themes of the significance of water and how resources have a human cost.

        maybe it would have been better if they could have had this effect without it being liet kynes, but her chest shooting out a bunch of water when she got stabbed was a fricking incredible shot.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The movie death was fine, it showed that Liet Kines was a Fremen through and through and that Fremen were likely to kamikaze enemies for maximum damage.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No offense but that is a terrible contrast to the original and misses the point entirely.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      same but Dunc 2 was a bit better than Dunc 1 even if a lot of it was fricked over, Jessica was great, Harkonnens were great, desert itself was cool

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Are zoomer psyop really real? they're fed nothing good but shit nonstop,and somehow these shit are praised and successful

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like these movies have completely sidelined the environmentalist and political elements in favor of the religious stuff

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      dune is a tragedy, villistupid didn't wanna direct a tragedy coz those don't make any money.

      Even when Denis wants to show that he understands Dune, he does it in the most heavy handed and unsubtle way possible. Paul and Jessica get dark soundtrack following them, and act like literal villains. And it ends with Paul just declaring the Jihad like it ain't no thing. One of the core themes of the novel, was "beware of charismatic leaders, as they may turn out to be worse than expected". Movie Paul isn't a charismatic and heroic leader, who takes charge, and then has everything go to shit. No, movie Paul is a Jihadist madman, who radicalizes fanatics, by using his future telling powers to tell them their sins, takes power by brute force, and then attacks everyone who disagrees. Denis beats us over the head with the message, not just through what I described before, but by having Chani literally spell it out for the audience in most scenes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        General audiences would never get the message otherwise unless they are beaten over the head with it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Normally fine with changes in an adaptation but the Fremen split really does ruin the entire narrative and theme. I imagine it's because Villenueve wasn't sure if he'd get Messiah so he tried to force it in at the start but by having half the Fremen as nonbelievers and constant cuts to Chani suspicious of Paul + Jessica's new role of dumping evil exposition with her fetus it poisons the well too early. The rug pull doesn't work if Paul is already the villain. It's supposed to be a brutal but largely celebratory moment at the end of the first book. The movie makes him look like a psychopathic tyrant

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair, Frank Herbert historically went through the pain of people not understanding his work. Book one had a rather classic heroes journey end, with the noble good guy taking power. Even if there were warnings of bad things to come. People missed that, so Frank wrote a sequel, and if you read them back to back, it's quite a rug pull indeed.
          >Book one ends with Paul taking power
          >Book two starts with 60 billion have died under Paul's rule.
          Frank Hammered the point home in the sequel, after the fact. Denis most likely didn't have the patience to wait for Messiah, so he dialed it way up, so that there could be no misinterpreting of his message. Even if his message went from "beware of deceptively charismatic leaders", to "beware of bad person taking power."

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's his own fault though for making the villains so cartoonishly evil. Humans are hard wired to believe evil as a clear and present threat must be destroyed immediately with the utmost urgency. Paul not acting allows that evil to decentralize and spread throughout the cosmos. How about instead of a jihad we have Harkonnens scattering throughout the universe and raping everyone to death.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Herbert likened the initial trilogy of novels (Dune, Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune) to a fugue – Dune was a heroic melody, Dune Messiah was its inversion, while Children of Dune expands the number of interplaying themes. Paul rises to power in Dune by seizing control of the single critical resource in the universe, melange. His enemies are dead or overthrown, and he is set to take the reins of power and bring a hard but enlightened peace to the universe. Herbert chose in the books that followed to undermine Paul's triumph with a string of failures and philosophical paradoxes.
            Denis already undermined and criticized Paul in the first story. So that makes Messiah redundant. We already know that Paul bad. Are we gonna get it all over again, that he bad?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the biggest tragedies about the films are it doesn't make it clear that paul is morally conflicted, he wants revenge on the baron but he doesn't actually want to cause the jihad

        and in the books jessica was also morally conflicted.

        and also chani was morally conflicted but still loved paul.

        the movie sort of takes out this subtlety. the book made it so that muad'dib was kind of a seperate charector then paul, muad'dib is how the fremen percieve paul and what they believe he wants, and paul is who paul actually is.

        it makes it clear in the book that come a certain point, if paul died or told the fremen not to carry out the jihad, they would do it anyways. in the movie, paul literally tells the fremen to enact the jihad.

        the second thing that the films lose is the theme of how when you give your thinking over to something, like a belief, a religion, a technology, a discipline, a guild, a government, a philosophy, a political affiliation, and you stop thinking for your self, then you lose your humanity and you dehumanize other people.

        theres so many examples of this in the book, gaius mohaim for example comments on how jessica had a son instead of a daughter because she loved duke leto, and gaius mohaim says that she hates love because it distracts us from our great work, this is coming from a bene gesserit, when the bene gesserit literally worship humanity as a religion, yet she dispises something which is quintessentially human, which is love.

        the butlerian jihad, the destruction of computers, didn't happen becaus eof osmething like the matrix or terminator, but because humans who had the monopoly on machines started to lose their humanity and were cruel to others, its that simple.

        yet after the destruction of machines, people are still cruel and lose their humanity, such as the harkonnens.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          in the book, jessica and chani literally bond over the fact that they were concubines to their baby daddies, paul and duke leto. and again this is a continuation of the theme that while, in a purely rational technological resource oriented way, princess irulan is pauls wife, in reality, if you have any capacity to think and comprehend humanity and its nuance and subtlety and things like love and motherhood and so forth, chani is who will actually be remembered as the woman of paul muad'dib. again showing this contrast between the transcendent qualities to life that are lost when you stop thinking.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            “Think on it, Chani: the princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine - never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine - history will call us wives.”

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Not that anon but thank you, I still remember the message in those words, about them being the real wife, in fact this seems a bit odd how in the movie Chani and Jessica I don't think they ever speak with each other?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the biggest tragedies about the films are it doesn't make it clear that paul is morally conflicted, he wants revenge on the baron but he doesn't actually want to cause the jihad
          what the frick do you mean? Half the movie he's getting visions of what happens if he proceeds to go south and basically refuses until he asks for direction and is told to get the whole story by drinking the sand worms jizz

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            what i mean specifically is the moral conflict that also comes with the exploration of the nature of his prescience.

            he contemplates through out the book if he can figure out a way to get revenge on the baron without enacting the jihad, he monologues in his head for pages at a time if this is possible, having a hard time figuring out a path that would result in him being able to even continue the atredies house if he doesn't enact the jihad, it is not spelled out if this is possible in the book, and before he can come to a conclusion, his son is killed in a harkonnen raid on a sietch, causing him to act rashely, stop thinking and give his mind totally over to his quest for revenge, and then after the baron is killed and he's about to fight feyd rathua, he realizes its too late and now no matter what he does, even if he dies or tells the fremen not to, they will carry out the jihad.

            making the ending super bitter sweet and making you as a reader ponder the nature of fate versus free will, and if he ever had a choice with a lot more complexity then merely "ah shit man if i go south then the crusade will happen fuggggg :D"

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              [...]

              also, once paul has done the water of life ritual in the movie, he's totally just down to enact a fricking jihad, saying "lead them to paradise" at the end of the film.

              but in the end of the book, and in dune messiah, paul is over come with guilt and doesn't actually want the jihad to take place.

              they will no doubt make that the case in dune messiah, but holy frick having paul say "lead them to paradise" is the wrong tone. in the books the royal houses don't refuse to accept pauls ascendence, paul has check mated everyone, the fremen carry out the jihad because they are convinced thats what muad dib wants, that he is clearly the messiah and that the rest of the empire must understand his way to paradise for everyone, its a religious crusade that paul ultimately has no input in.

              >the biggest tragedies about the films are it doesn't make it clear that paul is morally conflicted, he wants revenge on the baron but he doesn't actually want to cause the jihad
              what the frick do you mean? Half the movie he's getting visions of what happens if he proceeds to go south and basically refuses until he asks for direction and is told to get the whole story by drinking the sand worms jizz

              the problem that i am articulating is. the movie makes it seem like paul basically didn't have a choice, but then thats not really a moral dillema, thats just a bummer.

              in the book, it is unclear if things were fated to turn out the way that they did.

              this is explored alot in the book and even more so in teh later books.

              paul couldn't foresee that gurney was going to attack jessica in the book, and so he's freaked out by this, and then convinced to take the water of life, which is not something that his mom would want him to do, unlike in the movie where she becomes a weird frickin freak.

              and its possible that because paul so heavily further throws him self toward giving up his thinking and instead utilizing presience, that this is the reason why his life is more seccumbed to fate. like wise with the guild navigators, they are so dependent on presience that when they can't foresee the future because of the way paul has manipulated the situation by saying he will destroy the spice if the guild navigators defy him, they just give up because they don't know what else to do having so heavily depended on presience.

              in the dune books, it implies that the more you rely on presience, the more you are making fate a reality in the universe, where as the less you rely on presience, the more you make free will a reality in the universe, further underlying that maybe paul could have avoided the jihad and all the suffering that happened from his quest for revenge.

              but in the movie there is no such nuance even though that is like a central thing that dune is about and is inspired by frank herberts interest in zen buddhism and its contemplation of free will vs determinism.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Aren't No-Persons, people invisible to prescience the only actual people who do have free will? They get introduced way later in the story. Doesn't Paul see the bad endings of humanity when he drinks the worm juice and the Golden Path as a way to prevent that? Then he pussies out of becoming an immortal worm god so his son has to do it for 3500 years.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The idea is prescience isn't the ability to perceive a a preordained future, but rather it's an ability that preordains the future. Without prescience, there may have been other ways forward than the limited options Paul & Leto saw.

                I'm not sure there's any way out of it after the fact, other than breeding no-genes like Leto did. But it does make you wonder if Paul didn't actually have the right idea in ultimately refusing to play along.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                the movie makes it seem like paul basically didn't have a choice, but then thats not really a moral dillema, thats just a bummer.
                in fact the whole movie he has no real arc

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Paul had a choice. He should have died in the desert, after his family was massacred. That was the way to stop the jihad, and end the coming prophecy. But he had two counter points to think about. First was how unjust the Harkonnen/imperial attack on them was. What noble man wouldn't want righteous revenge for that? And he had his pregnant mother to worry about. Just the act of making contact with the Fremen, to get passage off world, was enough to Kickstart the downward spiral. Once he used his potential prophet status to get in with the Fremen, it was over. And once he joined up with them, he kept thinking that there was a way around the Jihad, but there wasn't.
                If Paul truly felt guilty about what will happen (and he feels guilty about his rule, at the end of it), he would have let the desert take him, his mom, and his unborn sister. That would have been a noble act.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            what i mean specifically is the moral conflict that also comes with the exploration of the nature of his prescience.

            he contemplates through out the book if he can figure out a way to get revenge on the baron without enacting the jihad, he monologues in his head for pages at a time if this is possible, having a hard time figuring out a path that would result in him being able to even continue the atredies house if he doesn't enact the jihad, it is not spelled out if this is possible in the book, and before he can come to a conclusion, his son is killed in a harkonnen raid on a sietch, causing him to act rashely, stop thinking and give his mind totally over to his quest for revenge, and then after the baron is killed and he's about to fight feyd rathua, he realizes its too late and now no matter what he does, even if he dies or tells the fremen not to, they will carry out the jihad.

            making the ending super bitter sweet and making you as a reader ponder the nature of fate versus free will, and if he ever had a choice with a lot more complexity then merely "ah shit man if i go south then the crusade will happen fuggggg :D"

            also, once paul has done the water of life ritual in the movie, he's totally just down to enact a fricking jihad, saying "lead them to paradise" at the end of the film.

            but in the end of the book, and in dune messiah, paul is over come with guilt and doesn't actually want the jihad to take place.

            they will no doubt make that the case in dune messiah, but holy frick having paul say "lead them to paradise" is the wrong tone. in the books the royal houses don't refuse to accept pauls ascendence, paul has check mated everyone, the fremen carry out the jihad because they are convinced thats what muad dib wants, that he is clearly the messiah and that the rest of the empire must understand his way to paradise for everyone, its a religious crusade that paul ultimately has no input in.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I don't fully agree with all your points in this thread but I can see where you're coming from. I definitely agree that the change Denis and the writers made for the movie about the Landsraad refusal to recognize Paul as emperor really muddies things. Paul's character, if staying true to the book, wouldn't have immediately called for the destruction of every single House. Really makes me wonder what direction Part 3 is going to take and if it will even really be an adaptation of Messiah. Kind of feels like Denis is going to take inspiration from it but make it entirely his own.

              I really hated that the end gave me the feeling that Chani was going to lead a rebellion against Paul or something. They better not fricking go that route.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                i don't even mind chani being vocally frustrated with the fanaticism of paul, but i do dislike that they didn't have that tender moment between jessica and chani where they bond over being concubines, and yea, if chani leads a rebellion against paul, then the story will lose the fact that she deeply loves paul, which is important to the themes of the story.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah it was pretty jarring how much Chani absolutely hated Jessica knowing how things are in the book. I'm preparing myself for Part Three to be a story about Chani being a strong independent woman who takes on a supposed Messiah and emasculates him entirely for the entire universe to see. Because the way things ended it really doesn't seem like Chani and the Atreides have any chance of making amends. So weird to me. Where the frick can Chani even go at this point? Back into the desert I suppose to cope and seethe?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What you said, can be applied to mentats as well. They are supposed to be beings of numbers and logic by nature. But the Harkonnens treat theirs in such a horrific way, that their mentat becomes a dangerous madman. Meanwhile the Attreides treat theirs with love and respect, to the point that he is still loyal to them after the fall, and gives his life for Paul. Love and hate, change beings who were supposed to be just human computers.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    my problems as a fan of the series
    >chani all around was done terribly wrong, b***h should've finally accepted the profit at the end
    >didn't explain guild or the fact that they bow down at the end of the book because of spice control
    >no count fenring who had one of the most based moments in the book telling the emperor shit was over for them
    >alia shouldve been born but whatever i guess
    otherwise action was great, visuals were spectacular, and i was pleased that they had more details in the 2nd movie than in the first where they really dropped the ball on scenes like the dinner sequence, Timothy did a solid job, jessica's actor killed it, gurney was better in this one, all Harkonnen shit was awesome including Feyd Ratha who was a scene stealer. They did frick up the visuals of the final battle considering they showed tons of artillery like three scenes prior used on Sietch Tabr and then its totally gone for the actual final battle

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Adat
    >Adatption

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    youd have to be nuts to say dune lynch is better at this point

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If we compare the spice diver edit to Dune Part 2, then I'd say that Lynch version has the better finale.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Spicedriver edit includes the "history will remember us as wives" bit and Denis didn't

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If we compare the spice diver edit to Dune Part 2, then I'd say that Lynch version has the better finale.

      This is the fundamental problem in these discussions is that most people making comparisons between adaptions have not seen the spicediver cut and don't know what the frick they are talking about.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've seen Spice Diver cut, I know books and Lynch's Dune even with Dpice Diver cut is bad movie. It aged poorly and also it cut a lot of stuff from book.
        The only thing in DUNC which is utterly worse than Lynch is moronic non-believer Chani.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Dunc cut more form the book than Lynch did, but that doesn't seem to bother you. You're argument lacks any objectivity. The book itself is heavily flawed with the second half being a mess of anecdotes and slideshow imagery. Imagine y disappointment reading it thinking it would clear up everything and actually satisfy my desire for a cathartic conclusion only to get nothing more out of it than what i already knew.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i felt the religious aspect was very powerful as everyone bows down to Muad'dib, the moment when he peaks and doesnt kill Stilgar made me feel like I was one of the fremen finaly seeing the prophecy come to fruition

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're just an easily influenced zoomer/pleb.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        sorry you cant enjoy things anymore bro, i figured out how to never become a jaded loser

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I enjoy things just fine. Watched The Wailing yesterday which I thought was fun but being riled up by Shalamet in a bland as frick flick is embarassing on your part though.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            only the insecure get embarrassed, I felt the religious fervor reading the books and it was communicated decently in this film, maybe you just dont understand the power of religion

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              the religious ferver in the books had nuance, in the movie it was crude.

              in the books you could still respect stilgar and you could even respect the religion.

              in the books you can contemplate, maybe the religion and the prophecy were in fact real and the bene gesserit were just a vessel for that divine truth.

              in the movie stilgar is played for comedic effect over how naive and foolish he is to have faith.

              the book isn't condemning having faith, just telling you to still continue to think and be skeptical at the same time, to maintain that paradox in your head, becuase the book is inspired by zen buddhism, thats why the fremen religion is zensunni, a combination of zen buddhism and islam.

  38. 1 month ago
    Muad'dubs

    Muad'dubs has entered the thread
    bow before your messiah, plebians

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    riding a sandworm looked frickin hell gnar tho

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the bene gesserit costuming was amazing and the actresses all around nailed their parts, love mohiam and jessica

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    also no body suspects yueh of being the betrayor because suk doctors have "imperial conditioning" which is brainwashing that makes it so they can't harm people, no body suspects that maybe his love for his wife could some how break the conditioning, they all put their faith into the technology of the conditioning and stop thinking about it.

    in contrast to this, thufir, a mentat, uses his 100% mind to suspect that jessica could be the betrayer, becuase the bene gesserit are schemers and are enemies to teh mentats and think in a philosophically oppositional way, they are witches, he turns his thinking off and just goes with the bias that mentats have against the bene gesserit, inspite of the fact that for jessica to be the betrayer she would be trying to murder her own son with the hunter seeker, which is something that if you could feel and percieve jessicas humanity, her love for her son, would be impossible for her.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How is she so ugly.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Apologize.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dunc feyd ratha was alot more entertaining to watch, really nice emotional range grinning all the time

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I liked it. It's a mainstream buster and operates like one, not sure why you autists are so surprised. Last act kinda sucked though.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >most accurate Dune Adaptation
    but that's 2000 tv series

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why focus on Thufir alone and not the fact that both Paul's son and Alia weren't born in the movie, and that Chani is a completely different character with an invented story? I was surprised, since I remember the first one being far more faithful.
    I hope the Chani part wasn't just because they thought it would be offensive to have her as passive as she is in the book.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I hope the Chani part wasn't just because they thought it would be offensive to have her as passive as she is in the book.
      It's exaxtly that. It was also to show that "not all Fremen" were fanatics as that would be disrespectful to POC. So there had to be dissenting faction within the fremen.

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How did feyd know where the fremen seitches were? Part 1 & Part 2 have people saying the Harkonnens had no idea how many fremen there were or where they lived then suddenly he's killing all of the northerners simultaneously. Also what was with the Baron acting like dropping bombs on them was a stroke of tactical genius?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dunc is a great movie but there's a lot of fridge logic and a lot of mistakes

      In the book, the prevalence of shields has basically made most types of traditional warfare obsolete. Like in real war there are still pockets of Atreides resistance even after the capital fell. So Atreides troops, realizing they're outnumbered fall back into narrow rock formations and caves where the Harkonnen are funneled in and get their ass kicked.
      The baron decides to use artillery, ancient and outdated, to bury them alive by caving them in. Shields would actually protect against arty which is why no one uses it anymore, and why atreides weren't thinking of it.

      The movie wanted to include the scene without earning it so they have them bomb the sietch. There's a lot of things like that in the movie, like how they completely forget about shields for most of it. There's one part where Saurdaukar are flying around lazing fremen in the desert, and I think Duncan or Gurney sets up a trap by putting a shield on body so the heli lazers it, they explode in sort of a mini nuke. Including a scene like that, even if they switch it to Paul's idea, would have saved me a lot of headache in discourse with other people and I'm honestly baffled as to why they didn't use it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's an interesting and creative way to defeat an opponent thay shows a bit of thinking outside the box. Irl the US army in Desert Storm (first gulf war) used a similar tactic against the Iraqis. Thousands of Iraqi soldiers would withdraw into these protected underground dugouts and trenches. The Americans, instead of going in with bayonets and clearing them one by one, decided to bring in bulldozers and just bury them alive. It's pretty fricking metal

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      poor filmmaking

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Havent seen part 2 yet. Does Paul use the Voice on his fremen followers to force them to obey his commands? I feel like that is something that could be explored

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hawat and Halleck really weren't done justice. Momoa only makes sense as Idaho if you're gonna keep going past book 2. He should have been Leto.
    >hawat is described as a scrawny twig of a man
    >they make him fat and give him makeup

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      can't even be bothered to give him purple lips, what did you expect?

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    From my understanding, the novel version of Jihad, is not Paul just sending his Fremen up on stolen ships, and telling them to kill everyone who doesn't believe in him. But rather it's a decade long process, where Fremen spread through the galaxy, and anyone opposing Paul, gets killed by the Fremen. Like that's why Paul can't stop it. Because if Fremen come to a planet, and a planets leadership says that they don't vibe with Paul, the Fremen see them as infidels who need to be killed.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gotta give the movie credit. Everyone pulls off some awesome slav squats. Heels on the ground and all.

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This may not seem like the biggest change, but I noticed how the movie toned down the sexuality of it all. The Baron isn't fricking slave boys, Feyd doesn't have a harem of slave women, who he has to kill, no spice orgies, the Sardukar don't use rape as a terror tactic.
    But most importantly. The first novel brings up rape and how Fremen have a noble code of honor, that they don't rape women. And then the sequel shows that Fremen Jihadists under Paul's rule, go around raping and killing people. Thus showing how Paul taking power, had corrupted them down to the core. It's most likely gonna get ignored in the messiah adaptation.

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In the sequel, the two first Dune movies may just turn out to be Scytale's retelling of Paul's story, to undermine the man.

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm reading Dune Messiah right now, and I can't wait to see Denis suck all the life out of it. I had to reread the first chapter, because the 20 page long conspiracy scene between Irulan, Eric, Scytale and Mohiam, was so dense. Can't wait for Denis to either cut it out to save time, or to turn it into a minute long scene, where they give across the bare bones version of their plan, with no character or intrigue to it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >conspiracy scene between Irulan, Eric, Scytale and Mohiam
      Eric is a Spacing Guild navigator, and the Guild doesn't exist in the DUNC universe.
      Scytale is Tleilaxu, same.
      It will be Mohiam and Irulan.
      BUT WAIT, since Chani fricked off at the end of DUNC 2, Irulan has nobody to poison so there's zero need for any conspiracy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Eric is a Spacing Guild navigator, and the Guild doesn't exist in the DUNC universe.
        They were named and shown at the very start of Part 1. They were the guys in white, with the orange domes of heads. And why and how they use the spice, was explained in that exposition video Paul was watching. And after that, I don't think they were mentioned ever again in Part 1 or 2.

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking of Chani. I just read the second chapter of Dune Messiah, and Chani is quite literally night and day compared to the movie. In this chapter, Chani is described as someone tactful, who doesn't ask rude questions, because she is raised in the proper Fremen way. She loves Paul, is very up to date on his politics, and even suggests that Paul should have a kid with Irulan. They highlight that Fremen women let their men sleep around, with no hard feelings, and doing that with Irulan, would have both positive and negative effects. But Paul remains true to only Chani.

    Okay, so how is Denis gonna adapt this?
    >Paul comes home, and Chani is like
    >"Oh, there comes the great false prophet, what, did you kill another billion today? Why don't you go have a child with your prostitute princess?
    Something like that I guess. And I have been spoiled to Chani's fate later in the book, and ain't no way thay they will let Zendeya, the modern strong woman, not only die on screen, but also die from giving birth. So not only will Denis have to retcon the ending, but he will most likely give Chani some other role. Perhaps he will switch Chani and Irulan? Have Chani be a part of the conspiracy, while giving irulan secret medicine to make her infertile?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Perhaps he will switch Chani and Irulan? Have Chani be a part of the conspiracy, while giving irulan secret medicine to make her infertile?
      You know this will happen. Chani will organize the attack that blinds Paul. He will walk into the desert and they will reconcile.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder the optimal reading order for Dune is to stop after the first four books and go no further.

      My guess based on how he adapted Part 1/2 is
      >Chani is more rueful about it but still suggests he has a kid with Irulan to solidify his rule and gain her obedience
      >She doesn't die from childbirth but is instead wounded and gives birth before she dies

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          very accurate. there's a timeline where brian did a followup to chapterhouse based off frank's notes that was competent and gave fans an idea of what he wanted to end things on, then just released the notes and whatever other unpublished work he had to coast off the royalties. he'd be mostly well liked for ensuring fans got closure and respecting his father, and would still have made plenty of money.

          instead he decided to be a greedy frick and write terrible fanfiction for decades while delaying giving a resolution to readers as long as possible.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The notes don't exist. It's most obviously something he made up, to give some legitimacy to his work. Like as long as Brian doesn't produce actual proof, it's just his word that he totally has the notes.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              i really want to believe he isn't so heartless he would lie about the notes existing. it is one thing for him to be a moron and decide to write a shitload of original novels for the series after trying to finish what he found in Frank's notes, but if he actually just cashed in on his father's legacy with a total lie that's so disrespectful it's kind of insane.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He sure as hell doesn't have the same love and respect for his father, that Christoper Tolkien had for his dad. Brian Herbert on a fundamental level doesn't understand or care about his fathers work. The rate at which he pumped out those pulp sci-fi trash sequels, shows that he wants to make bank. He is mediocre as a writer, and had he just said that ''I am Frank's son, but I write my own original series'', he would never have been respected. Would an absolute hack, with no understanding of his fathers work, really not stoop to the level of saying that he has secret notes, that only he will ever see, but they make his work more legit?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Can I ask, what makes God emperor so good?

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The problem with dune is there is no suspense

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >be Paul Atreides
    >the Kwisatz Haderach
    >a living god
    >can have any woman in the universe
    >settles for this dog-ugly brown mutt

    Hollywood truly is completely reliant upon the suspension of disbelief.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >that lazy eye

      Her DNA is absolutely shattered

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        why does she have hair growing from her forehead

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I haven’t read the books, frick the books. If Villeneuve does a third movie he needs to make it original. That will be the make or break point whether this thing becomes the new LOTR trilogy. Just give me holy war kino.

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Oh shit, Dune Messiah just dropped:

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I kinda wanna see the Baron come back in a Children of Dune adaptation. They could switch Denis out as a director, and keep the cast. Like they did with Sicario.

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the seething this movie series has caused to Cinemaphile is astounding

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cinemaphile is about the only place where you can criticize this movie without problem. This movie has a bunch of problems, but right now, the normies hail it as the second coming of Empire Strikes Back. Impossible to get a word in, criticism wise.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      *The *righteous seething
      Fixed. I’m just disappointed, because, once again, a production had the chance to do something great. What did we get in return? An unintentional parody of exactly the things the story meticulously considered.
      DVil should never been given the reigns fully. The visuals? Sure. Beyond that, get me a doughnut and some coffee, boy.

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thufir Hawat fricking sucks and his only role in the book is to be wrong all the time. He contributes nothing meaningful to the narrative.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong

      >>>In the Books, One of the Baron's best schemes was manipulating Thufir into thinking Jessica was the traitor
      >Too bloated and complex for film, also mostly nonverbal
      And yet it was important through the story. Let me explain how Piter and Thufir influenced the plot and caused the downfall of the Padisha emperor.
      >Piter finds out a way to turn Yueh traitor (a move that Rabban rightfully questions)
      >Thufir is convinced that Jessica is a spy, and Gurney is brought in on the suspicion
      >Yueh does change his loyalties again, helping Leto kill Piter in the process
      >Piter's death caused Harkonnen's to take Thufir in, due to needing a mentat bad
      >Thufir set it up so Feyd and Baron think they are both trying to kill each other
      >To appease the situation, the Baron throws Rabban to the wolves as a fall guy, and sabotaging him
      >Rabban's failure causes the emperor to take notice too, and come down personally
      >Meanwhile Gurney believing that Jessica is a traitor, causes him to almost kill her
      >Paul takes the water of life, because he did not forsee such an event
      >The emperor and Paul have their confrontation, and Thufir let's himself die, instead of playing a role for the House Harkonnen and the Emperor
      >Paul wins
      Basically, the mad mentat and the loyal mentat, both play big roles in causing the Paul and Emperor meeting, and Paul taking the throne. All of that is reduced to
      >Piter being an exposition giver with zero character
      >Thufir disappearing with no explanation
      >Paul taking the water of life because Harkonnens used cannons against the Fremen
      >And Rabban being an actual cowardly idiot

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the entire "Jessica is le traitor xD" plot leads nowhere. The audience knows she's not the traitor, Leto knows she's not the traitor, and its only purpose is to lead Thufir around in circles. Gurney tries to strangle Jessica before he's immediately talked down and forgiven. It's a useless subplot and he's a useless character, I barely noticed his absence while watching DUNC2

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Gurney trying to kill Jessica, was the main reason why Paul drank the water of life. His last close friend trying to murder his mom, had such an effect on him, because he could not forsee such a tragedy. He needed more vision for there to be no more surprises. As for Thufir, he does undermine Rabban, and turn Feyd and the Baron against each other for a bit. An issue they resolve by throwing Rabban under the bus, so they can give Feyd Arrakis. That turned out to be a poor strategy, as the emperor came down personally due to the lack of spice production.

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