Dune bros (not the movie fans), why did they change the ending so much from the book?

Dune bros (not the movie fans), why did they change the ending so much from the book?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    because messiah is boring and they need a will they wont they hook for chani

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They wanted to focus more on Paul, instead of having that baby kill Barron. Also no rape reveal.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      they were afraid of the book. There would have been nothing wrong with showing the creepy baby walking around

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not a bookgay, can you elaborate?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Alia was feared by everyone and should have been the one to kill the Baron at the end. She was also the "abomination" the reverend mother referred to but in the movie she says it to Paul.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I remember the Lynch movie having this encounter

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The Lynch movie got the ending right in comparison to this. Apart from the Voice force blast hitting Sting.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If they really wanted to keep the deadly toddler out of the film, they should have had Jessica do the deed. Have Jessica get captured by Sardokar, and brought to the emperor. There she can talk down to the emperor, get yelled at by Reverend mother, for the abomination growing in her, and she can tell them that "my son is coming". And when the explosion happens, Jessica can gom jabbar the Baron, and slip out in the chaos.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I think Paul killing the Baron was an alright change. He even executes the Baron with the "Atreides Gom Jabar"

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How can anyone take chalamet seriously in anything. Good god is he fugly, he makes zendaya look good.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No Leto II or Ghanima. Alia is going to be god emperor. Screen cap this

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Dune bros (not the movie fans)
    So frick off to Cinemaphile then

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    post the real one

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We need to go bigger.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      imagine how much rizz this guy has, utterly mogs most guys on here, he must mew very often.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    While I enjoyed this movie when I watched it I've been thinking of how much was changed and removed from the story and I'm not sure if I like it now. It's heavily diluted down to the bare basics. Part 1 was watered down but this one feels hugely disappointing the more I think about it and I LOVED part 1 as well as the Lynch movie and series.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I read the first book but was never really interested in reading any more. Loved arrival and BR49 though so was very excited to see Villeneuve try and tell the story, parts of which I did really like. Where in terms of the books does part 2 end? Part way through book 2?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the book ends immediately after Feyd losing the duel. the Fremen jumping onto space ships and chani riding off on a worm are additions, though the first is not a change just an extra addition from between the books.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Which parts did you like from the book? They are most likely missing.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I usually love Villeneuves movies but he really fumbled with this one.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      While I enjoyed this movie when I watched it I've been thinking of how much was changed and removed from the story and I'm not sure if I like it now. It's heavily diluted down to the bare basics. Part 1 was watered down but this one feels hugely disappointing the more I think about it and I LOVED part 1 as well as the Lynch movie and series.

      ye I thought the first dunc was good enough but this was just straight shit
      could have been an hour shorter and nothing would have been lost

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Chani only exists to give birth to Leto II and Ghanima

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rundown of the changes?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >no time skip
      >so no spice orgy or pauls son
      >changed chani to be a better setup for the third book
      >pauls sister isnt born yet and instead speaks to the mom in the womb
      >at the end the houses dont accept paul so he goes to war
      >no spacing guild

      this movie is like the second in a trilogy instead of being a proper final sequel to a film.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Way, way, way too many to list hut here's some

        >Alia appears only as a fetus and a flashback. Misses out on one of thr moments when she breaks down crying knowing that everyone thinks she's a freak and shows that she has humanity and is still just a child.
        >Paul telling Irulan that his dick is only for Chani and that she's just for political gain, they just removed this from the end for some reason
        >Paul's son isn't born and killed
        >No spacing guild

        Gurney trying yo kill Jessica for thinking she was the one to betray them and not Yueh

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Second in what trilogy?
        What would be the point of the 3rd movie showing genocide, failed assassination plots, the end?
        Boring. The third movie should include Children of Dune and be a setup for the worm emperor

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          filtered, messiah is leagues better than children. god-emperor is the best book tho would be shit as a movie

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >no spacing guild
        lmao wut?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          not enough time need to look at scowling mutt again

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Way, way, way too many to list hut here's some

      >Alia appears only as a fetus and a flashback. Misses out on one of thr moments when she breaks down crying knowing that everyone thinks she's a freak and shows that she has humanity and is still just a child.
      >Paul telling Irulan that his dick is only for Chani and that she's just for political gain, they just removed this from the end for some reason
      >Paul's son isn't born and killed
      >No spacing guild

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      in the novel:
      >The final confrontation.
      >it plays out like a game of Chess. >Emperor doesn’t acknowledge Paul as a noble, so Paul attacks with over whelming force.
      >Emperor then accepts his offer of safety, thus acknowleding Paul that Paul is who he says he is.
      >Paul survives the attempt to have Thufir kill him, instead the man dies for him
      >makes the reverand mother Mohaim shut up
      >makes the threat against the spice, which leaves the emperor cold, but the navigators give in.
      >And that is where Feyd challenges Paul to Kanly, of his own free will, after which the Emperor gets his hopes up and offers Feyd his weapon.
      >Feyd gets defeated, even with his trick poison needle, and a bit of irony with Paul refusing to use the paralysing word, causing Feyd to Paralyze for a moment. >Emperor even tries to send Fenring to kill Paul, but the two who share a similar burden, reach an understanding, and that fails too.
      >After that, the Emperor is defeated, Paul gets his holdings of the CHOAM, and Irulan.
      >And finally, Chani is promised that Irulan will not have any love from Paul, and Jessica tells her that they will be known as wives, instead of concubines.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >refusing to use the paralysing word, causing Feyd to Paralyze for a moment
        he HESITATED

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      in the novel:
      >The final confrontation.
      >it plays out like a game of Chess. >Emperor doesn’t acknowledge Paul as a noble, so Paul attacks with over whelming force.
      >Emperor then accepts his offer of safety, thus acknowleding Paul that Paul is who he says he is.
      >Paul survives the attempt to have Thufir kill him, instead the man dies for him
      >makes the reverand mother Mohaim shut up
      >makes the threat against the spice, which leaves the emperor cold, but the navigators give in.
      >And that is where Feyd challenges Paul to Kanly, of his own free will, after which the Emperor gets his hopes up and offers Feyd his weapon.
      >Feyd gets defeated, even with his trick poison needle, and a bit of irony with Paul refusing to use the paralysing word, causing Feyd to Paralyze for a moment. >Emperor even tries to send Fenring to kill Paul, but the two who share a similar burden, reach an understanding, and that fails too.
      >After that, the Emperor is defeated, Paul gets his holdings of the CHOAM, and Irulan.
      >And finally, Chani is promised that Irulan will not have any love from Paul, and Jessica tells her that they will be known as wives, instead of concubines.

      Now let's look at DUNC:
      >Paul attacks the emperor
      >Walks in like a madman, murders the Baron, and takes everyone prisoner
      >No attempt to make the emperor publically accept him as a noble
      >Summons the prisoners, and makes demands of the emperor
      >Sends a threat to the warships of great houses, saying that he will nuke the spice
      >Fricking asks the emperor who his champion will be, despite Kanly not being established or any sort of a "if we fight, the winner gets X" deal
      >Big knife fight with no tricks to it, just Paul doing the John Wick maneuver of catching the blade with his stomach
      >And the he takes Irulan as his wife, causing Chani to run off
      >Great houses don't see all of that as fair play
      >Paul is like "you know that Jihad thing I have been avoiding so badly? Well let's fricking Jihad all over the place!"
      >The end
      Paul basically brute forces his way into power, with no subtle game of wits, or overcoming every one of emperor's tricks, until he has nothing under his sleeve anymore. Paul just walks up and says that he is the captain now.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Fricking asks the emperor who his champion will be
        this is quite symbolic, Paul needed to win the respect of fremen so he needed to fight the strongest person in the empire with the tradion of the duel, which he won.
        >you know that Jihad thing I have been avoiding so badly? Well let's fricking Jihad all over the place
        He might have not know that threatening the spices will not work. And it didn't so didn't have any other option left.

        Like ok it differs from the book but that doesn't mean it's worse. I haven't read the book for 4 years and after watching the film I didn't even know what changed nothing was unreasonable or dumb

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          cont.

          in the novel:
          >The final confrontation.
          >it plays out like a game of Chess. >Emperor doesn’t acknowledge Paul as a noble, so Paul attacks with over whelming force.
          >Emperor then accepts his offer of safety, thus acknowleding Paul that Paul is who he says he is.
          >Paul survives the attempt to have Thufir kill him, instead the man dies for him
          >makes the reverand mother Mohaim shut up
          >makes the threat against the spice, which leaves the emperor cold, but the navigators give in.
          >And that is where Feyd challenges Paul to Kanly, of his own free will, after which the Emperor gets his hopes up and offers Feyd his weapon.
          >Feyd gets defeated, even with his trick poison needle, and a bit of irony with Paul refusing to use the paralysing word, causing Feyd to Paralyze for a moment. >Emperor even tries to send Fenring to kill Paul, but the two who share a similar burden, reach an understanding, and that fails too.
          >After that, the Emperor is defeated, Paul gets his holdings of the CHOAM, and Irulan.
          >And finally, Chani is promised that Irulan will not have any love from Paul, and Jessica tells her that they will be known as wives, instead of concubines.

          >And that is where Feyd challenges Paul to Kanly, of his own free will,
          that's fricking stupid why would Feyd have the right to challenge Paul to Kanly he is literally a prisoner at this point in the book. In the movie after Paul saying chose your champion he doesn't have anyone he can think of all his Sardaukars were obliterated and thats when Feyd presents himself.

          [...]
          Now let's look at DUNC:
          >Paul attacks the emperor
          >Walks in like a madman, murders the Baron, and takes everyone prisoner
          >No attempt to make the emperor publically accept him as a noble
          >Summons the prisoners, and makes demands of the emperor
          >Sends a threat to the warships of great houses, saying that he will nuke the spice
          >Fricking asks the emperor who his champion will be, despite Kanly not being established or any sort of a "if we fight, the winner gets X" deal
          >Big knife fight with no tricks to it, just Paul doing the John Wick maneuver of catching the blade with his stomach
          >And the he takes Irulan as his wife, causing Chani to run off
          >Great houses don't see all of that as fair play
          >Paul is like "you know that Jihad thing I have been avoiding so badly? Well let's fricking Jihad all over the place!"
          >The end
          Paul basically brute forces his way into power, with no subtle game of wits, or overcoming every one of emperor's tricks, until he has nothing under his sleeve anymore. Paul just walks up and says that he is the captain now.

          >Great houses don't see all of that as fair play
          The great houses only see that some fanatic took over their spice production by force and kidnapped the emperor of course they wouldn't be on board

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The great houses only see that some fanatic took over their spice production by force and kidnapped the emperor of course they wouldn't be on board
            It's not their call to make. It's not the emperors call to make. That's why the guild representatives should have been there. Paul checkmated everyone, by convincing them beyond a reasonable doubt, that the spice was in danger. After that, they relayed to orders to stand down.

            >that's fricking stupid why would Feyd have the right to challenge Paul to Kanly he is literally a prisoner at this point in the book.
            Paul was more or less playing by the rules in the book. He made the emperor recognize him as Duke Atreides, he offered the emperor sanctuary for it, and was getting ever closer to winning. Feyd had to consider that if Paul becomes the emperor, it's over for him. So when Paul just asks about Feyd, he gets a Kanly challenge in response. Because Paul is playing by the rules, he gives in, and has the duel. The emperor didn't put Feyd up to it, but is pleased by how the event turned. And once Feyd is defeated, and Fenring refuses to kill Paul, the emperor truly has no plays left. In the movie, the politics and the rules are ignored, and madman Paul comes in, takes hostages, kills people, demands stuff, and asks for a fight, that he didn't have to ask for. It's clumsy, burtal, and quite frankly, not interesting or engaging.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >It's not their call to make. It's not the emperors call to make
              Well I don't know that could be the case, but if I remember correctly they also had their own stockpiles of melange so they could take action for some time. So again it's just different and not worse in any way
              >the second point.
              Yeah he plays like by the rules like his father which is more visible in the books.
              But now I realize when Fenring tells Pauls that his father was weak he chalenges him to a Kanly, which is by the rules of the Fremen culture the way to gain leadership.
              >no politics, hostages, kills people, demands stuff
              that wasn't out of character he said that his father didn't believe in revenge but he does. He killed people he had right to kill, prisoners are taken in the war and he demanded things he had right to demand. He didn't need to ask for a fight but that was the tradition or a fremen might say the law.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Denis kinda forgot about the importance of the Spacing Guild.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The spacing guild don’t become relevant as a force until messiah when the guild navigator joins the conspiracy to assassinate Paul.
                In the first book they’re just a means of transport

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Paul needed to win the respect of fremen
          there was a scene earlier which specifically established that he didn't need to fight a duel to do that lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Paul needed to win the respect of fremen
            no he didn't, he won their respect 2h previously in the movie zoom zoom
            stop watching tiktok on your phone during movies

            "I won't deprive myself of the best warriors before battle". So it doesn't have to do anything with the enemy leaders.

            Well maybe I shouldn't have said winning respect but more along the lines of honoring a tradition or whatever, of fremen. Which wasn't show explicitly but it could be intrepreted that way.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              you're going a long way to defend this movie's amateur tier script

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Your are only invalidating your argument by saying that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                you're a moron, anon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Paul needed to win the respect of fremen
          no he didn't, he won their respect 2h previously in the movie zoom zoom
          stop watching tiktok on your phone during movies

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Character wise, every character god dumbed down. Leto was made into the big good guy, Piter lost all of his character, Kynes was all wrong, Rabban was turned into an idiot, the list goes on.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not sure though I'm assuming Voonoovoo wanted to do character drama to get normies hooked and possibly lore dump when we eventually get Messiah.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I liked the movies but they shouldn't continue the series. Unless they flip it around and focus on the resistance to Paul.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Movie handled it better
    In the books he became emperor, didn't seem reasonable that the Fremen would attack everyone when he'd already got power
    Now that all the houses declared on him, actually makes sense that they would genocide them all

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Paul literally became the prophet Muhammed of fanatical tribe. Look how many people are killed every day, in the name of Allah and the prophet. Same with Paul. His empire expands, his Jihadists go from planet to planet, and anywhere where they are not welcome, they murder, pillage and rape, in a state of mad worship of Paul (something established in Messiah, as one of the Fremen only snaps out of it, as he bathes in the sea, and realizes how messed up the jihad is). Paul corrupted the Fremen very badly, and he is paying the price for it. His fanatical priests even keep secrets from him, while they do what they think he wants them to do. Basically, he let loose madmen, who won't let anyone have any other stance than absolute Paul worship (or death), and the process takes like a decade.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There will be a part 3 or this is the last movie? First time watching dunc was so disappointed to see "part 1" and didn't fully enjoyed because of that

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Any dune pros can answer this question? Was there any tanks in dune books like there was in that old rts game or were they invented for that game only? The scene where emperor lands to arrakis you can see some land vehicles

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t remember any land vehicles being described in the books

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hollywood is so depraved that they wouldn’t take the risk of hiring a child actor as Alia. the director clearly loved zendaya SO much as his favorite muse that he was more than willing to cut Alia Thufir Fenring and the Guild completely so he can put more botched Chani scowling scenes in.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have a better question:
    >why was this shit worse than the 2000s miniseries when it had 200x the budget?

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Timmy's got a big head.

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