Even putting aside the sexual misconduct allegations, why do people give so much credence to the opinions of someone who only ever made ONE decent cartoon in his whole career in Ren and Stimpy, and managed to ruin even that with Adult Party Cartoon?
Even putting aside the sexual misconduct allegations, why do people give so much credence to the opinions of someone who only ever made ONE decent car...
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Fuck off Birchy, fuck off Guy, fuck off Kuckyweck
Was around at the time where most shows were toy commercials and his ideas helped the industry to phase that out.
>his ideas helped the industry to phase that out.
Were you actually alive in the 90's? They had as many toy cartoons as the 80's.
It was Nick idea, not John K, they just picked up his work, that's like saying Jim Jinkins change the industry because Doug aired before R&S and was a creator driven show.
Finishing an article about John K.
Oh yeah soulless executives are the real creatives, only a really desperate psychology could come up with that one.
Tiny Toons itself was inspired by John K's efforts and he was supposed to work on it before he found out that they were betraying the cartoonists who were told they would be driving the show.
If those executives never ok those shows, you won't have anything like R&S, it's true cope, that's how business works, a suit has to be the one to pass it though.
>Finishing an article about John K.
Everyday I thank both God and The Trickster that you exist.
This board has spent the last decade lamenting the loss of toy commercial shows.
Good. I know something is worth watching when /toon/ dislikes it.
>why do people give so much credence to the opinions of someone who only ever made ONE decent cartoon in his whole career in Ren and Stimpy, and managed to ruin even that with Adult Party Cartoon?
John is good at self promotion and he was an early adopter of blogs. He did Howard stern, he wrote articles for magazines (and fake letters), he did commentary tracks.
He's assertive and the stuff he says sounds truthy. His opinions are stated as fact and they sound like you're getting secret knowledge. Kids that read all his stuff buy into his charisma and dont fact check any of his shit.
This right here is a classic example
>Was around at the time where most shows were toy commercials and his ideas helped the industry to phase that out.
No one fact checks this. It just sounds good. And it is the secret knowledge.
Truth be told, John is in love with the cartoons and some comics from when he was 5 to 12. He likes shit just like everyone else likes shit they see when they are 5 to 12. He likes plenty of hanna barbara cartoons that aren't that great and archie comics that aren't that great.
He hates toy driven cartoons because those were his first jobs and they didn't let him do what he wanted. He's no different than any other young guy in their first job thinking they fucking know everything and stuff will be different when they're the boss.
Two basic counter points:
1. There were plenty of horrible cartoons before toy driven cartoons. Probably 20 or 30 years of crap copying scoobie doo. Just completely stupid shit like Freddie and Barney are time cops with smoo.
2. Plenty of toy driven shows had artists and other creative people working on them. Paul Dini wrote an episode of G1 Transformers. Michael Straczynski wrote a quarter of Jayce and the Wheeled warriors. Having dedicated script writers isn't the sin John makes it out to be
Massive ego that made him look like an expert when he was shitting on everything not made by him or his friends.
This bit of nonsense has two parts. Number one, it's not egotistical to acknowledge all the amazing things you did, like inventing a plane and saying you invented a plane. 2, people pretended I was John as I was trying to continue a Renaissance out of his efforts while his blog was active, saying things like this even though I was just a poor teenager trying to work with other artists. This is also where the obsession with minors comes from
>Ugly dame
Looks fine to me
>Zoomer who has been groomed extensively on discord be like
He single-handedly revitalized the industry, inspiring works such as Batman the animated series and Dexter's Lab, improving things at every studio as they tried to copy his success and absorbed his spirit, he also directly made decisions for the cartoon cartoons series at cartoon Network resulting in the nice direction. However people were too spiteful, childish, and materialistic to give him credit for all his amazing contributions so they've been trying to tear down his reputation for decades and now you're here wondering what the truth is.
>He single-handedly revitalized the industry, inspiring works such as Batman the animated series and Dexter's Lab
He was also the reason Animaniacs became a thing.
How come you can't draw like this?
Kek, no reply
You realize, of course, that you are calling yourself a Zoomer who has been groomed extensively on discord, right?
Lolcow
He offered free lessons and had strong opinions about things. His work is not really impressive and he overplays his importance
Pedophilic assessment. You're obsessed with trying to make a strong impression on ignorant teenagers. You want to grasp for "importance" which really just means grasping for power in society. John was just an artist, he had a massive influence because of his massively amazing artistic accomplishments, not anything in the material world
Sh boil
Dude I haven't even seen any animation you made, like fucking Lunamedia already has his shit storyboarded.
Just use your old name Birchy
Who's Birchy? You mean that one anon who drew Katie Rice?
I see the John K haters have already been totaled as they file in with their nonsense claims.
I'm here to improve the field of animation to uplift children and Society, not spend months making animation for ugly, unkempt resentful losers who want to have power in the lives of children. I also can't work with any animators because I was left by the animation community with you trolls.
Lul at you desperately hiding from information. If you don't actually acknowledge John's ideas you'll never be able to make anything good with Ren and Stimpy inspiration, just trash with a flimsy Ren and Stimpy skin like this. Keep saving all the good ideas for the Worthy
>his massively amazing artistic accomplishments
Ren and Stimpy and the sex girl designs in galaxy high.
I mean, I like galaxy high too, but come on.
I posted the article https://manlyburger.substack.com/p/john-k-and-talking-about-the-wrong which involves people going around and lying up about me being John which on the one hand produced the sexual stories about him and on the other hand prevented all the things I was trying to contribute to the world as a teenager
Just ignoring everything I contribute, like a kid ignoring the important parts of growing up and sticking with being obsessed with watching cartoons. Quit wasting people's time, and I didn't click on this
Shut up manchild
I see you compensated for being wrong by using many more words.
>There were artists on cartoons
Wow what a shocker, did you ever actually bother to learn anything or did you just go online and groom the ignorant
I love how you people write giant walls of text to say the same thing but with more words. Also say nothing about his blog which Katie rice participated in regularly
And that's harassing somebody for not sticking around 24/7 to reply to trolls even though there's no longer any reason to say anything to me about this nonsensical crap
Aw sweet. Schizo is here.
It's either the same rants over and over that disregard the existence of John K's blog which was just as important as Ren and Stimpy, or the cheapest, most irrelevant little remarks to impede an actual meaningful discussion. This is how the animation industry protects itself from being overcome by people who can actually draw
Wait, John K looks like that? He's a total dweeb
He's actually ripped
Thanks to decades of plastic surgery, drinking muscle milk and sex trips to Thailand
>and sex trips to Thailand
Can you please explain that one?
They need to cope with all the contributions he made to others by sexualizing it, as it can be likened to the process of sexual reproduction, but they don't want to acknowledge this other, creative process
Fuck off, Anthony you schizophrenic amerimutt
Lulz. His momma must be so proud of him.
>Boil having a spastic freak out
Predictable. Keep trying to derail an actual productive discussion of animation and John and I will simply send more messages as I sent to Amid Amidi, holding them accountable for what they did in the past and discussing other things, and so have the discussion elsewhere. Choice is yours
Gay is a crime
A legendary animator who revolutionized the field in the 90s and made the best resource for learning animation in the 00s, johnkstuff
Go to bed, Tony. It's, like, 3-4 am in Muttland.
Nice try you schizophrenic dope. Fuck off. You can't draw for shit, Anthony. You're mentally sick and need help
Funny how he thought that my reply to you was just you samefagging.
Guy is a fat mexican?
>He's actually ripped
Has it ever been confirmed John is on steroids? It would explain some of his behavior.
It would also explain why he has a softer voice in some of his earliest interviews, but a deeper voice in his adult cartoon party ones.
Could John be a secret early redpill pioneer. Getting ripped so he could smash young puss?
I believe he tried to pay Katie Rice with steroids once.
His opinions are fairly in-line with what a decent section of /toon/ genuinely believes, plus who doesn't love the original Ren & Stimpy?
Also if you fags haven't filtered those attention seeking namefags already, then that's on you for continuously exposing yourself to their autism
To me, John is the animator equivalent of Frank Zappa, his arrogance and resentment cancel out any talent he has.
Childish attitude. Great people should be able to acknowledge they are great without having to deal with the whining of people who don't contribute anything themselves besides the whining. It's not even a matter of the truth, it's a matter that you're completely wasting people's time by discussing animation and obstructing its improvement
I've never met anyone who disliked Frank Zappa before. His music sure, it's not for everyone. But never on a personal level. I think he was a pretty cool guy.
Zappa is actually in Ren & Stimpy, he voices the Pope in the Powdered Toast Man episode.
Ren and Stimpy is just classic cartoons with a 90's edge and gross out.
Tiny Toons was already ahead on doing that before him, he just push it to it's extreme, John K isn't special also he not the one who kicked off creator driven cartoons, Nick was, it was all Nick idea and if they company didn't allow to pick up those shows, cartoons still be studio and toys driven, Doug and Rugrats came out same time as R&S. John K is not anyone special as a creator.
Ren & Stimpy was huge, way bigger than Doug and Rugrats while it was airing. I liked Tiny Toons, but R&S was a way better show.
Honest answer? Contrarianism.
Many people are dissatisfied with the current animation industry and its output. When they see someone well-known who shat on a few popular shows and whom not many in the industry like, some latch onto him because they think it will piss modern animation producers and fans off.
>way bigger than Doug and Rugrats
Doug I’ll give you, but Rugrats was absolutely Nick’s big show before SpongeBob came along.
Rugrats was reran to death forever till Spongebob like 3rd season.
>Tiny Toons was already ahead on doing that before him
Tiny Toons was a sad parody of the cartoons it was aping. And I say that as someone that liked Tiny Toons.
John K. is probably one of the most influential animators living today.
The problem is that he knows this.
I've never seen Ren and Stimpy before, I just like that he makes furfags sperg out by making fun of thundercats and tiny toons.
It's great, try watching the first couple seasons at least.
I've seen OP's pic thousands of times but never questioned that duck toy John's holding until now. What's the backatory?
Why is Ren & Stimpy such lifeless show? like backgrounds, have almost nothing in them objects or background characters, it bugs the shit out of me.
Bob Camp had more to do with Ren and Stimpy's success. John K. was by all accounts a lazy asshole.
It was Teamwork, stupid
John K. wasn't much of a team player.
There's a lot of rewriting history now that everyone is against him. Not to say that John wasn't hard to work with or bad with deadlines, but people lately want to downplay his role as much as possible. To say John K wasn't a huge part of the show's success is insane.
Nothing against Bob Camp, he did great work. But the show was worse after he got put in charge.
This, it was a bunch of talented people working together.
Even if that were true, the Games episodes were awful.
Some were good, but even then the best ones started with Spumco. Stimpy's Cartoon Show for example.
Season 3 overall was pretty solid. Seasons 4 and 5 were more of a mixed bag. I still enjoy those episodes actually, but it's a huge step down. I liked Ol' Blue Nose in Season 5, which was written by Billy West.
At least partially anyway, he's credited for the writing on the wiki along with Ron Hauge and Bob Camp.
Not just Bob Camp, but also Bill Wray, Jim Gomez, Lynne Naylor, Chris Reccardi and others that I’m forgetting the names of.
>ever made ONE decent cartoon
Two ripping friends is fun. Dont get why no one ever brings it up.
Ripping Friends was decent but disappointing to me. Still a fun show.
>Doug I’ll give you, but Rugrats was absolutely Nick’s big show before SpongeBob came along.
Rugrats was big of course, but that's why I specified "while R&S was airing." When the early seasons were first airing, Ren & Stimpy had much higher ratings.
Creators only need one great success and then they can coast off that the rest of their career
I have to say, regardless of what one thinks of John (going forward, what he did was absolutely wrong and I am in no way denying the shit he did), it's really fucking depressing when someone with such talent, ambition and potential essentially fucks up their entire life by doing objectively wrong stuff that's 100% their fault. Granted, he hit it big when he was working on R&S, but he only worked on it for, what 2 seasons? Before he was kicked off his own project for, iirc, constant delays and generally mistreating his crew that stemmed from his over-perfectionism. There were several times that he could've said to himself, "Maybe I need to change something about my person. I can still achieve what I want to and not be doing what I'm doing now and negatively affecting the people around me." But for whatever reason (I obviously wouldn't know cus I'm not John, nor a psychologist), he didn't. Especially when he got rightfully fired from his own show, he could've done SOMETHING to change his person and be able to do a lot more than 2 seasons of one show (obviously he's done other stuff after R&S, but nowhere near as high quality or iconic). To be fair, I can understand why he'd go insane essentially after being kicked off of his own project, I'd be a little more than upset too if I had a successful show that I actually loved to work on, only to be fired from it because of my behavior or poor work ethic. But again, he could've done anything, ANYTHING to keep the momentum of his career going, but no. He had to molest that teen girl and put out nothing of quality for decades after, the former somehow taking decades to come out, even if John being a creep was something of an open secret, but that's a different can of face.
Point is, there were several times where he could've done something and be more than just "the guy who worked on Ren and Stimpy," as noteworthy as that title is, but he never did. You can honestly still cherry pick some of his ideas, opinions and design philosophies and get some good material from the guy. I still think he was and is a talented artist, albeit the fact that his newer stuff is a touch "loose" for my tastes for lack of a better word, but he's still a bad person. He could've done so much more with R&S, anything from season 3 onwards would've been vastly different if he was able to stay on his own show, and so much more cool stuff would've come from him, if only he fucking knew when to ask himself, "What the fuck is wrong with me?" John is not the only person to have done shit that ruined his career, obviously far from it. And he's also not the absolute greatest cartoon guy to walk the earth or anything, but when an artist of any kind has such talent, potential and ambition to make some really good shit fucks himself over by doing something that is undeniably wrong or immoral, or otherwise their own fault with no one else to blame, it's just really depressing to see happen.
You can also say this about Justin Roiland (to be fair tho, for him it's still all allegations until his trial happens in April). Regardless of what you think of his stuff, you have to admit he really did love what he wanted to do, and all he wanted to do was make something that he thought was funny and was fun to make, something he was passionate about. If he ends up going to jail for what he "did," assuming it's all true, then so be it. But it'll still be really depressing, due to of the fact that he essentially fucked up the chance he had to make anything he wanted for all to enjoy because of something that would be undeniably his own fault (again, assuming it's all true).
TL;DR: If you love making cartoons, don't do stupid shit that'll fuck you over. Lest you end up either in jail for life, or a long time and the best you can do for a "job" is a minimum wage job in bum fuck nowhere that involves soul crushing work, knowing that you will never be able to work in your dream job ever again.
Dude, sexual misconduct is under selling it, dude's a pedo, they're aint't no salavaging any good will he's done. Your better off pretending that he's dead right now.
I really don't mean to undermine what he did, for the record.
>Your better off pretending that he's dead right now.
That's, in part, my point. The fact that that's true is depressing because there was a point where he could've chosen NOT to molest anyone. But instead of doing something about his mental state and person overall, he didn't. Somehow, he never chose to fix himself, consciously or otherwise. Again, I don't know why he never did anything about it, but the fact that he never did only for his behavior to catch up with him in the worst way possible is just... Depressing. He had the chance to be the famous animator he wanted to be, but somehow he didn't have enough self awareness to realize that what he did, be it his behavior towards his crew or the pedo shit, is not only entirely his fault, but would also dash any opportunity, burn every bridge that would've led him to be more than what he is now.
John's a pedo, no doubt; he didn't have to be one though, and the fact that he didn't make an effort to better himself as a person and not just an artist is just sad, even if his fate is rightfully deserved.
....Who?
>allegations
>despised by most of the animation community
>still continues to influence modern animation style and humor
How does he do it?
By having bots claims he's an influencer even though he cant even influence children to have sex with him
I'm gay by the way
shame we can't talk about the good or bad of John K on one of the net's most popular uncensored cartoon and comic image boards because thsi place has a resident nutter.
The only reason that's true is because you do not want to speak the truth, you want to speak lies which will be brought to the truth to be disintegrated. What you call the "good" of John K only exists in your mind and the mind of all his other haters to exploit his work
Alright kid, I'll be working on more messages that will mention you. And meanwhile you're still trying to score points by screenshotting your reset IP because you literally cannot learn properly
Insane
Imagine having access to all the reference material in the history of animation and still regressing past the point of recovery.
Because he figured out a way to make traditional animated cartoons within the TV production pipeline. In the Golden Age of Animation, stories were driven by visuals, not dialogue, and the characters could actually act with their body and not just their voice. Ren and Stimpy was the closest anything on TV came to that ideal since The Flintstones.
It's interesting how all discussion of John Kricfalusi has been dying off, even when they mention him they avoid mentioning him by name. Wonder if there's some sort of reason why they would avoid aggravating more drama
I never understood his hateboner for Richard Williams