Everybody shits on Dick for having a shitty rogue gallery but Babs had like 150+ issues of Birds of Prey and like 10 years with a Batgirl solo and the...

Everybody shits on Dick for having a shitty rogue gallery but Babs had like 150+ issues of Birds of Prey and like 10 years with a Batgirl solo and the best she got was her brother (who was only good in Black Mirror), Calculator (who wasn't been seen since the late 00s), and a bunch of shitty one offs who never got seen after their writer left.

>b-b-but mothbabs
Killer Moth has shown up more in fricking Joker books than Batgirl books.

What would you do to improve her rogue gallery?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All the non-Batman Batfam members have shitty rogues, anon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Batman only has about 8 villains people actually give a shit about and half of them are getting by purely on aesthetics.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dude, talking about a "rogues' gallery" in the context of ANY character who's not Batman is ludicrous. Any other character has like 1-2 good villains if he's LUCKY and most have zero good villains to call their own.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      read your sentece again, mentalimpariedanon

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes but for almost three decades of material for both Babs and Dick they should at least have 1 or 2 decent villains.

      Green Arrow got Brick and Onomatopoeia in the same time span.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        See

        Characters like Tarantula, the Trigger Twins, Shrike, etc., haven't featured in Nightwing comics since Flashpoint and are about as relevant as M.A.Z.E. or The Clock.

        Assassins/Mercenaries: Deathstroke, Lady Vic, Brutale, Electrocutioner, Flamingo, Talon, Raptor
        Corrupt Businessmen: Blockbuster, Heartless
        Evil Organizations: Court of Owls, Spyral
        Thieves: Double Dare, Tiger Shark
        Arkham Types: Crazy Quilt, Professor Pyg, Mr. Minos
        I Can Save Her (With My Penis): Defacer
        Frenemies: Stallion, Mouse, Thrill-Devil, Grimm

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          All you did there was list mediocre to horrible characters.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Actually use the ones she has. She actually has a pretty varied gallery already compared to Dick (whose is like 75% assassins), they just need better stories written with them and perhaps more pathos with Babs.

    >Calculator
    Writers keep making Oracle esque villains for her but they all suck compared to him.
    >Velvet Tiger
    Rich b***h extortionist career criminal with a legit business. Could easily be her Lex/Veronica Cale.
    >Knightfall and her gang
    Simone was insane for naming her after one of the most famous Batman stories but she’s one of the better anti-Batmans created in the last couple decades.
    >Fugue
    He had a cool design and tech and sometimes one just needs a generic low level bank robber.
    >Spy Smasher/Katrina
    Wasn’t a villain but I would at least have her be a shady agent who can be antihero or antivillain and can sometimes acts against Babs’ morals. Token friend-from-before-heroing character.
    >Silver
    Best designed villain from Simone’s run imo and had he debuted in a Batman book he’d probably still actually be used if not outright headlining some C tier crossover. Token crazy villain and villain who hunts the hero a la Kraven and could probably transition to being a merc.
    >Killer Moth
    Good for another low level villain. If he had a slightly less silly design and a more pathetic backstory the ship would probably actually be popular outside of Cinemaphile considering how badly Taylor fumbled Dickbabs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I feel moronic because I was going to say Dick's villain aren't all assassins but then I realized it's actually true

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Morrision made a shit load of villains for Dick.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dixon fricked up real bad when he made 90% of the villains thrown at Dick assassins and the other 10% Blockbuster (who was as interesting as paint drying), Torque (who was only interesting before his head got turned around), Nitewing (who was legit terrible) and a few one off villains like Sylph.

        Morrision made a shit load of villains for Dick.

        Anon Bruce ended up taking them. Nobody thinks of Pyg as a Dick villain and nobody thinks of the rest of the Circus of Strange or Flamingo at all.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I like Nite-Wing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Characters like Tarantula, the Trigger Twins, Shrike, etc., haven't featured in Nightwing comics since Flashpoint and are about as relevant as M.A.Z.E. or The Clock.

        Assassins/Mercenaries: Deathstroke, Lady Vic, Brutale, Electrocutioner, Flamingo, Talon, Raptor
        Corrupt Businessmen: Blockbuster, Heartless
        Evil Organizations: Court of Owls, Spyral
        Thieves: Double Dare, Tiger Shark
        Arkham Types: Crazy Quilt, Professor Pyg, Mr. Minos
        I Can Save Her (With My Penis): Defacer
        Frenemies: Stallion, Mouse, Thrill-Devil, Grimm

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Knightfall is kinda brilliant in that she's an anti-Batman built around a perception of Batman, Batman is a rich psycho brutalizing poor people to get his jollies, rather than trying to reflect on Batman's methods or setup. Also helped by her not being pitted against Batman.

      Personally I'd bring back the Jawbreakers as her designated mook/prologue villains. Too bad Dagger Type got such bad press, he was a decent artist villain.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Babs has cute japanese twin biker villains in skirts
        Yeah they need show up again like right fricking now.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Too bad Dagger Type got such bad press, he was a decent artist villain.
        Attention prostitute villains are horrible. What are you talking about?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      damn silver's design IS slick as frick

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I liked Mirror from Simone's first arc. He had a cool design though I feel like his PTSD powers would get old fast.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its funny their ages got permanently changed for a dead ship and now they're just those ages forever.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nightwing's rogues gallery is fine, the people who shit on it are morons.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Raptor is his only good one.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People still treat Barbara as an actual character, and not a constantly angry caricature with absolutely garbage motivations?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The vast majority of characters have shitty rogues galleries. The only ones that don't have shitty have been solo characters for like 60-80 years.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Everybody shits on Dick

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Velvet Tiger still shows up sometimes. She was just relevant to this week’s Birds of Prey.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's the first time she's shown up in a decade.

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