Explain this character's ideas and motivations without suggesting I'm stupid for not getting them.

Explain this character's ideas and motivations without suggesting I'm stupid for not getting them.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    America is

    wait for it

    hold onto your seats

    you're going to love this

    le bad

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Holden isn't a real person. He's a supernatural entity, which explains him saying "I WILL NEVER DIE"

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >i watched a snail crawl across the edge of a straight razor *looks at script* give me a whole detachment of these razor snails and i could win this war in a year
    >because
    >it's obscene

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the men drop feed on the villages but cannot write chuck on the side of their helicopters
    >because it's obsneed

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    his motivations are intentionally vague because Brando showed up to film way fatter than he was when he signed up so they had to shoot him in shadow
    then he refused to film the lines they wrote so they just filmed him saying whatever he wanted and then he fricked off back home
    the fact they managed to salvage it is a miracle

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Brando showed up to film way fatter than he was when he signed up so they had to shoot him in shadow
      >then he refused to film the lines they wrote so they just filmed him saying whatever he wanted and then he fricked off back home
      All those things made it kino (literal).
      Sounds like Mr Brando knew what the frick he was doing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The whole movie was great and yet he managed to still be the best part without even trying.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        even making up shit he was making more sense than Dennis Hopper

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They originally set the film during the Korean War but brando was holed up in his Cambodian vacation home and refused to leave so they rewrote the script to be set during the Vietnam War and went down there to film it. Brando was so high the whole time that he didn't even know the cameras were rolling or that they were even making a movie

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Vietnam makes way more sense anyway

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    All men have their breaking point.
    You and I have one. Colonel Kurtz has clearly reached his.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the chinks were better because their bug brains allowed them to be barbaric without feeling bad about it. its literally summed up in his little monologue at the end moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Shhh let the zoom zooms try to figure it out

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've seen horrors... horrors that you've seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that... but you have no right to judge me. It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror... Horror has a face... and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies! I remember when I was with Special Forces... seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate some children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there, and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried, I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out; I didn't know what I wanted to do! And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it... I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, my God... the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we, because they could stand that these were not monsters, these were men... trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men, our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment! Because it's judgment that defeats us.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if you have a cool voice you can mindcontrol people

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I swallowed a bug

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He was sick and tired of the US militaries half-measures. The only sane (and humane) thing to do is inflict enough damage to the enemy to drain them of the will to fight. Being as cruel as possible is, strangely enough, more "humane" than letting the war drag on for years with no end in sight.

    If you are interested, look into General Sherman's march. Sherman was well aware of what he was doing and why he was doing it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      but that wouldn't work in a post-nuke world

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It could but war is a business, look at the us fricking around in Afghanistan for 20 years. It's all bullshit. After 9/11 bush said they were going to send them back to the stone age, they could have easily done that, but it wasn't about winning.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >WAR! What is it good for?
          The economy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the larger point the movie makes is that they wouldn't go all in because there wasn't a "pure" reason behind the US being in the war, like fighting for survival or existence

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if you zoom in and read the paper in the harrison ford scene early in the movie it tells you why he went awol, he basically had the same views as uncle ted in that modern society is unsustainable and we need to go back to agrarian life

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the movies was so engaging up until the moment is fatass shows up. biggest disappointment of a reveal ever. he shows up and movie quality drops tremendously.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Central to Conrad's work is the idea that there is little difference between "civilised people" and "savages." Heart of Darkness implicitly comments on imperialism and racism.[1] The novella's setting provides the frame for Marlow's story of his fascination for the prolific ivory trader Kurtz. Conrad draws parallels between London ("the greatest town on earth") and Africa as places of darkness.[2]

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He's... mentally ill. Do you have luck understanding the actual motivations of schizos? I sure don't, I don't even think they do

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You belong back on reddit. You simple minded homosexual. You mark anyone who doesn't follow the narrative with the "schizo" tag. Wrapped in your cloak of ignorance, content to mock those who see further than you do. You disgust me.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Having unshakable ideals based on primal human instinct is more true to human desire is le better.

    >le film is about how that's not the case and humans can be better than their primal intuition

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    America is held back by modern sensibility bullshit, the only way to win this war is through total war.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >war and violence is awesome
    >bureaucracy and politics is gay

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's not that. The point is if it comes to war, commit fully or don't even start. No half measures. Do or do not.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's exactly that. Kurtz is obsessed with war, he loves it. That's why he gave up his cushy job. He wanted to do the real thing.
        War should be for the warriors, but the warriors are held back by the suits. That's literally his issue. They start the war, but don't like how it's played.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah thats smart just send your generals, strategists, and best soldiers to the frontline. The vanguard. Genius really you should be a soldier bro

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, that's not what he's saying. The military was asked to win a war with their hands tied behind their backs by civilians and politicians trying to stay in power. You can either win a hard war by taking the gloves off or you can lose.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah so just send your generals to the frontlines, wow what strategy

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I wonder if it ever gets tiresome waking up this moronic every morning.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Kurtz literally rejected his career of being a high level general to go fight on the frontlines. Don't get mad at me for pointing out how dumb you are

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Kurtz wasn't build for operational level, guy was tactical.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you responding to this Black person?
                And it had nothing to do with Kurtz not being "built for it"
                It's just that the strategy that he wanted to pursue would never be accepted. He would feel impotent there, so he just quit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He put himself on the frontlines because he thought generals should be on the frontlines. The dude was completely insane

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If you understood history, you'd know that that sentiment isn't incorrect. Kurtz is basically advocating for Roman style warfare, total destruction, salting the earth, etc. Back then, Generals did fight their own battles and it was effective.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                So now you've shifted from saying that I'm wrong for suggesting thats what Kurtz was advocating for to defending his point of view. I accept your concession

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >you've shifted
                I'm not that anon, I just think the idea that a general being on the front with his men isn't a invalid idea.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >being there with your men where you know whats happening and can respond accordingly while also being a rallying point and source of inspiration for your men is insane
                You disgust me

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You are literally moronic. I'm not going to spoonfeed you. If your 60 IQ braindead Black person ass can't figure this shit out there's no point trying to salvage it. have a nice day.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your concession

                Kurtz wasn't build for operational level, guy was tactical.

                Wrong, read his dossier sometime

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Willard realised there was more to him than what was immediately clear in the dossier. Why can't you?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Willard was a dumbfrick errand boy

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's not what anyone is saying. Stop talking.

                The general officers in charge of the war were politicians anon, that's why kurtz joined special forces even though it would end his career.

                Like who?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Irl? Westmoreland, Abrams. The joint chiefs above them. They were more concerned with their careers than any attempt to win the war, they also were too concerned with optics and were stuck in the mindset that the war could be won ww2 style, by taking and holding territory or by inflicting heavy losses on enemy troops.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Right, so you agree politics fricked the war

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but the "soldiers" as you said, were partly to blame as well. Perhaps not the common soldier, but the officers? Yes, they are politicians as much as soldiers. The failures in Iraq and Afghanistan occured pretty much the same way, stiffling top down planning, officers rocking the boat by trying to go around washington and the chiefs have their careers ruined, etc...

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Where do you draw the line between "the officers" serving in the shit and those actually calling shots? O4?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There's no rank where one becomes political or not. Obviously political maneuvering is more common higher up but your fresh out of west point 2nd lieutenant would be more political and rigid in their thinking than a draftee officer concerned with trying to make it out alive would be I think.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The idea of this movie got muddled in the movie and modern day adaptation, but the Hearts of Darkness book is based on this idea that by these civilized Europeans colonizing Africa and trying to give them civilization, the Europeans are introduced to a primal savagry.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      But that's wrong. The point is that Europeans bring the darkness with them, it's only away from the civilization that they know, when they encounter another way of living or another "darkness", that they succumb to it. Africa doesn't turn Kurtz savage; he brings the cruelty with him. London is the titular heart of darkness as much as is the blackest Congo and the book pretty much spells that out at the end, as I recall.

      As for the film I guess the interpretation would be to just replace civilizing colonialism with American interventionism

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao thats not the message at all you dipshit you just had some prog teacher who interpreted it that way. God you're such a fricking dunce I'm surprised you don't think its a trans allegory lmao

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >As long as our officers and troops performs tours of duty limited to one year, they will remain dilettantes in war and tourists in Vietnam. As long as cold beer, hot food, rock and roll and all the other amenities remain the expected norm, our conduct of the war will gain only impotence. The wholesale and indiscriminate use of firepower will only increase the effectiveness of the enemy and strengthen their resolve to prove the superiority of an agrarian culture against the world's, greatest technocracy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Politicians held this war back, not the common soldier being "dilletantes". Train a force to give zero fricks about the enemy and their civilians, they will steamroll.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The general officers in charge of the war were politicians anon, that's why kurtz joined special forces even though it would end his career.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >dilettantes
      First day in Vietnam my father (a CAP Marine) went to a cave near the local village he was assigned to defend. VC had placed children in front of this cave and shot through the kids at the Americans, leaving small body parts everywhere. Imagine being 18 experiencing this, basically changing you for life, then 55 years later some shithead on 4chins calls you a dilettante.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >CAP marine
        >counter guerilla warfare
        >no base, in the shit 365 days
        How the frick did he survive?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the horror

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Way to miss the point you fricking birdbrained gay.
        Yes, exactly. Your dad was a b***h. A dilettante who met professionals.
        To him, seeing a bunch of asiatic kids be used as human shields was the most important day of his life
        For Charlie - it was tuesday.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bullshit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Guy an heroed about 20 years ago due to survivor guilt from Vietnam, I live far away from home otherwise I'd take pictures of his final writings.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >War is le bad
    >If war is le bad, why can't it be le worse
    >If the army as a whole commits le atrocities, why can't I personally commit le atrocities
    >I'm so smart, look at me
    >I went skydiving at age 36
    Questions?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >le
      Opinion discarded

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Gbtr

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >The horror, the horror
    K I N O
    I
    N
    O

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's time to admit Spec Ops The Line was better

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you are smart

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rend the Heart of darkness by Joseph Conrad. The film was based on this book that takes place going up the Congo in the 19th century.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Read the original by Joseph Conrad. It'll answer your questions

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Guy's point was that total war would win the war, but he failed to see it would frick the country even more in various ways.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    attempting to fight a war with one hand tied behind your back is moronic.
    The VC shat all over any kind of rules, and achieved significant results because of their approach.
    Either you're fighting a war, or you're just murdering random people.
    They should have dropped the bomb instantly.
    All out.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >dropped the bomb
      And what, at the very least lose Europe to Russia and Asia to China?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >lose Europe to Russia
        America had way more nukes than Russia back then, and do you think that Russia would nuke Europe because some shithole in Asia got fricked?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >drop the bomb over some shithole in Asia
          >destroy the planet

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          they're russians, they probably would

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >dropped the bomb
      And what, at the very least lose Europe to Russia and Asia to China?

      Just so you know, nukes dont actually exist

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Even if they did, there's already defence systems capable of repelling them.
        ~~*they*~~ just dont want a world war because if they lose they get kicked out of power, so instead we have nothing but shitty proxy wars and localized shitfests for the next thousand years

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He is a man dedicated to the western ideal of war and military service, then he sees the villagers cutting of the arms of their own children and all of that unravels… He becomes obsessed with the savagery that lies in the human spirit and wants it for his own but ultimately can not posses it because it is a force greater than his own will and being so he must die because he’s wandered too far off the reservation and will never get his mind back. The story is about losing yourself to darkness and then it ultimately taking everything you have, especially your life.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    MACVSOG/LRRPs waged a secret war in Laos & Cambodia to interdict the NVA, who didn't care about international law or Cambodian sovereignty. The casualites they induced were stupendous, and in tandem with Tet Offensive blowing their combat power load permanently, they were on the verge of political capitulation but for the political perfidy of the likes of probably Soviet asset Kissinger and active measures on the homefront with Boomer draft dodger agitprop. There was no good reason to accept the partition of Europe, Korea, or Vietnam - whom was pushing NVA shit in as long as funding & air support kept coming on the US side, despite withdrawing soldier from front lines - but for pusillanimous cowards and Zero Sum Game geopolitical antics by the British

    Kurtz is that MACVSOG guy gone off the reservation with his Montagnards et. al. to wage a war of annihilation against primitive puppets being marionetted by Moscow for world-historic stakes they don't understand. They're disposable tourists in history and have well and truly fricked around, deserving to find out no holds barred. Take a contemporary example: Houthis in Yemen, in possesion of the Western half of this failed state stuck in the Iron Age, the entire population cracked out chewing khat leaf all day. They're not worth trillions of dollars and have nothing to contrbute to the end of establishing space colonies to hedge our species bets in the stars. If it were a strictly utilitarian and consequentialist point of view, glassing them as an example to other idiots with AKs and budget missiles from state actor competitors, and there would be lasting peace, Mongol style. Alternatively, give the Saudis the green light and kit to do it themselves and consolidate the peninsula. This is what Kurtz wants. Half-measures invite catastrophe, tempt fate and gods other than God

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >have nothing to contrbute to the end of establishing space colonies to hedge our species bets in the stars.
      They sure the frick do, moron. It's destroying isreali-american hegemony so such a concept could even start to be put in motion. Fricking goy moron.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only way to win the war was to be unrelentingly brutal with no sense of remorse or moral quandary holding one back, as he saw the Vietnamese be, specifically with the story about them chopping off their own children's arms after inoculation.
    But the Americans either can't or don't want to do this, they want to pretend they have 'morals', as they try to charge Kurtz with murder for killing some spies. Yet they allow the war to continue, they allow the bloodshed to continue even though they literally can't win, so more and more people are killed for no reason.
    He's hiding out here with his little native tribe army ready to take on the Americans when they come, with a pure killer instinct as is necessary.
    But at the same time he's thinking the only way out is the sweet relief of death.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I want to dislike this movie but I recently rewatched it in the Redux cut and it was kino of the highest order.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That soldiers and governments should commit to war absolutely and without moral limitations.

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