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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It’s a bastardization of Tolkien’s work. How about you have a nice day.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much what the fren said. Also, I don't watch shows or movies where blacks and other minorities have major roles. With that being said, I shall take my leave now. *flies away*

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much what the fren said. Also, I don't watch shows or movies where blacks and other minorities have major roles. With that being said, I shall take my leave now. *flies away*

      NOOOOOOOOOOOO THE ACTUAL WORK DOESN'T MATTER WHAT MATTERS IS BLACK PEOPLE FEELING GOOD. CLEARLY CATERING TO BLACK PEOPLE HELPS THEM IMPROVE SO LETS KEEP DOING IT WHILE PISSING OFF EVERYONE ELSE FRICK YOUUUUUU NAZIIIIII

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine a TV show about the wonderful aboriginal origin story called Dreamtime, but everybody is a white ginger.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Middle earth isn't a real place homosexual.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >The dreamtime is real
        lol.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >He doesn't know

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        So you are okay with pic related?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Can't wait to see the orcs with ak-47s then. You brainless mongrel homosexual

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine Mulan but everyone is white, or worse yet, Chinese with Jedi powers even though Mulan was a Mongol.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm more bothered by the black elf having a fricking buzzcut than anything, he couldn't have some braids or some shit?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't the trailer show him and galadlel get their hair chopped off by orcs after they get captured? It will probably grow out during the show.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If they wanted to do it properly. They would. They don't. They want to prove they're not racist. And they fail at that too.

    "updating" isn't making it, it's breaking it, because you didn't like it the way it was. If you didn't like it you shouldn't be making it.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The costuming is bad which shows this is designed to piss people off. Look at the black hobbit who dresses in rags instead of the fine clothes of the hobbits of the LoTR movies when hobbits are supposed to have what's closest to an ideal society.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Amazon and other streaming services green light things based on algorithm rather than actual artistic drive to make something. The series was created from an artificial point and would be bad even if it had the casting pol wanted.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    In the words of the creators, they cast blacks to reflect modern audiences and introduced storylines to include more women.

    This is explicitly against Tolkien's intent. He created Lord of the Rings with the intent for it to be a fairy tale for grownups with no allegories or ties to real life politics or values. This is word for word stated in his letters.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    because black people, wait for it...... LE BAD

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      nah black people are good, it's just a bunch of crazy people that hate them for no reason
      That makes sense.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      more like le evil

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How long until I never have to hear about this gay shit again?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It will flop after season 1 and nobody except bots and shills will try to talk about it

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        cope /misc/tard

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >poltard
          being racist is already showing up in normie spaces, it’s over for you degenerates. No one including your grandma and nephew is gonna like this schlock.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If an African writer wrote a fantasy mythology for Africans, inspired by African folklore and set within an African inspired pre-history fantasy setting, there would be no non-Africans in the film or TV adaptation.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The same reason T’Challa ain’t played by an Irishman you absolute moron. But you already know this.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it looks very ugly. I'm hoping it gets mediocre ratings and because of the absurdly inflated budget it gets cancelled after the first season. but I generally hope every new show gets cancelled at this point, I miss early covid when no new content was being made. shut it all down.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's propaganda.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone b***hed about Hollywood whitewashing for decades and when they finally stopped doing it the brown and black waves came along and now everything is blackwashed and brownwashed.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    your pic related looks jarring as frick, OP

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    they are ugly

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it's immersion-breaking

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Minorities are shoehorned in without any real representation of other cultures in more non fiction based media plus it's a sign that they want to divert from the source material which mostly has a negative effect except for some exceptions like the boys.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Black folk are ugly

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    why do i want to beat the shit of out her so fricking much? Everything about that pic makes me filled with rage

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Because you are a pathetic incel

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        im gay, its impossible for me to be an incel
        not a racist (mostly) also, but something about her stupid fricking smug ugly face...
        this shit is gonna tank hard

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    browns is not black.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    dey am hea

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's just bad casting, even as a hwite person, I have always viewed elves as being pale, tall, attractive and with long thin hair. You wouldn't cast generic looking white people as elves.
    I think Hugo Weaving was also poorly cast, I like the actor but in contrast to the other elves he just looked like a normal guy in dress up and that was distracting.

    These races have been heavily established for generations and consistently viewed in tens of thousands of different pieces of media. It's hilarious when defenders of this pretend like this isn't a statement.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      elrond's half-human, he looks fine as a mutt

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Jews really think we're gonna stand and watch quietly while they erase the last of our heritage.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. Cry about it.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    they cast orcs as elves

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They look stupid and are barbarian race

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    we full anime now

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I hate the way that CGI monster looks, everything about this show is disgusting.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly the same concept artist and VFX company as the movies

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Looks like shit, they did a horrible job.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >now
      >Legolas surfing down stairs on a shield.webm

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Not as bad as Hackson with legolas

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >hackson
        have a nice day immediately.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          worse than capeshit

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes we know the hobbit had a few bad scenes, that doesn’t make this bastardization any less of a bastardization.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        True
        I think most of those kind of stunts they do in the show is wirework on a set too, rather than just actor stood infront of full greenscreen like the movies (hobbit especially)

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        its way worse.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The sword throw is kinda cool tbh
      Elves can do beyond human capability shit anyway, especially those Noldorian gigachad/ettes

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      this is just amazon copying the failing MCU.

      For fricks sake you have an Feanor but nope, lets just go to the appendixes or whatever shit we have minimal copyright of and fricking butcher it with shit cgi and Black folk.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Morfydd actually did most of her own stunts, bar some of the really dangerous horse action scenes
      You will be surprised with how much she ended up doing when they release all the BTS, they have literally hours of it set for release

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        nobody gives a shit if she did her own stunts or not. It looks like terrible wire work

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >It looks like terrible wire work
          It was the stun co-ordinator from Fury Road who did the action scenes on this show, he also worked on the Mission Impossible and Matrix movies
          One of the best guys in the industry for this kind of blend between practical and CG action

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            and yet it still look shit. whats your point?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >whats your point?
              Just don't be surprised when both audiences and industry professionals disagree with your, wholeheartedly

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >bar some horse riding
        So literally nothing wow I'm so amazed

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Every fricking lefty onions motion picture has that meme jump in it. It's so awful that they think it's cool.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >kk lemme frag this giant ass kraken with my tiny knife rq

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    why can't some scummy israelite write some dank shit about aetheopia or zulu or any other african group without shoving their imagine into indo-aryan myth and history?

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Netflix show
    Nothing more needs to be said.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They're ugly and I don't want to watch their show.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why are the Orcs protagonists?

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Whart part of Africa did elves come from?

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's based on the book which explicitly describes every race, nation and character in it's fantasy setting, which is always the core of any fictional lore.
    Making an adaptation of said book ignoring it's core factors makes no sense.
    I wouldn't have any issues with black elves or women leaders or whatever else they did if it wasn't called LotR.

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Middle Earth is a pre-modern world in which the various ethnic migrations and compositions are not only extensively documented, but integral to the narrative. Characters being able to tell certain groups of people apart visually is extremely important in-universe. The world and its history outright don't work if everyone is a cosmopolitan mishmash. In the ancient days before Civic Nationalism the only way you could have such diverse groups is through an Imperial Identity, which none of the Kingdoms described by Tolkien had.
    This is opposite to say, Star Wars, which takes place in an explicitly cosmopolitan Universe where everyone except the explicitly tribal groups like the Ewoks and Tuskens is a settler who is part of a mishmash of immigrants.

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I can't and I'll never be a man.

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It inserts American modernism and values into the archetypal world that fantasy is dependent on.You could still have an entertaining show but a fundamental element of the genre would be negated - the same as if you had a lilly-white cast who all bore firearms in Middle Earth.

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Explain why this is a good thing without being homosexual. I'll wait.

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    why does all fantasy media look like cosplay nowadays. are hollywood israelites not paying costume designers anymore.

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Apologise

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'll explain it with one letter. N.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Only mediocre writers think that a character's skin color is a selling point, and only mediocre studios make it a habit of butchering the lore of their adaptions. That's not even mentioning all of the modern bullshit that's sure to be the backbone of this show. I'd watch a blackass dnd adventure without a single whitey in sight, but this isn't going to ve one

  44. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Tolkien created middle earth as to be a mythology for the anglo people as theirs had been paved over by christianity. This is literally cultural appropriation.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >without using /misc/ rhetoric

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Tolkien was such a hater of christcucks that he managed to help convince CS Lewis into converting to one.

  45. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I thought after black panther we'd start seeing african fantasy and mythology not this shit.

  46. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's comforting knowing that this show is going to be mogged by GoT2.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      HOTD bros just keep winning

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I legit cannot look at this nog with golden hair without laughing. He looks like a member from a rapper's entourage.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Black folk mogging Black folk

  47. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The show is probably going to be good, producers are super confident with this aswell. They showed the cast the first three episodes just before they started doing their media tour because they wanted to show them what they had created.
    Going to be hilarious watching half of Cinemaphile continue to squirm and jump through hoops to dislike this because they decided not to enjoy specific pieces of entertainment for idiologic reasons. Imagine having that much of a cuck mentality

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Dude, black people shoehorned into things they don’t belong in ACTUALLY RULES
      >See like, YOURE ACTUALLY the cuck for not liking it

      Holy frick we got a live one here boys, this troons goin quackers

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If you had any semblance of intelligence you would know it’s already shit because it doesn’t respect the work’s by J.R.R. Tolkien. Imagine being this much of a useless consoomer who we can barely even call human. You are the scum that needs to be purged from this planet. you putrid disgusting waste of air, I hope you die of cancer.

  48. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Non /misc/ answer:

    Middle Earth was meant to be Anglo Saxon myth in the vein of King Arthur to give modern day Britain a connective cultural tissue; ie. lore wise once Middle Earths time passed and magic faded our world then began. Tolkien did not have blacks, hispanics, asians, etc. in mind when writing this mythology for this specific part of Europe with specifically Anglo Saxon peoples in mind.

    Outside of your leftist hugboxes and echo chambers most every day people groan when they see forced blacks in media.

  49. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Dwarfs live underground, you don't need melanin underground.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Dwarves must be albino white because of living underground, aye.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I don't like this but your reasoning is asinine, honestly. It's fantasy. I could believe that black skin developed underground literally just cause.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It’s fantasy, yes. Why it has to include Black folks if it is fantasy?

  50. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It’s an adaptation of the mythology of the indigenous peoples of the North-Western Europe which can’t include blacks and Asians because they didn’t exist there.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      both look irish to me

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wuz living in huts and shieeet

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >migratory farmers
      >migratory farmers with giant gypsy wagons

      It's so moronic
      FFS it's so god damn stupid
      And yet, because what they did with elves and Numenorians is so bad no one cares about the Black hobbits (and Harfoots are hobbits, along with Stoors and Fallohides they are the 3 breeds of hobbit. What Amazon is doing with them is 'we are not writing a story about humans, those are east-asians') being MIGRATORY FARMERS living in GIANT GYPSY WAGONS.

  51. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  52. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    As we know from various sources, they are Going for a female Morgoth. Yes, as a Valar he's technically a higher entity with no clear gender. But oh well... And don't get me on the white buzzcut Eminem who is the evil twin of the black silvan elve we see in these Matrix shots. I couldn't believe when I first read the screenplay that he was created in the barracks of the orcs we see in the trailer... coming out of the earth, like the Uruks did. It's just so damn blatantly written in a writer's POV. There were some arcs I hope will make sense when the new plays get out, but I srsly don't have any hope for tying those loose ends.

  53. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't want to hear anyone complain about The Last Airbender's casting ever again, especially when more than half the people defending this were rightfully outraged back then.

  54. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It ruins my suspension of disbelief, because all this woke shit is not internally consistent with the rest of the source material. If they took the time to explain how and why there would be black elves or dwarves instead of just handwaving everything and calling me a bigot for asking questions, I would have much less issues with it.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Kind of weak response. How about we have movies and shows made by white men for white men? Movies basically fulfill modern myth since religions fall, so now we are completely disenfranchised, heroism for whites doesn't really exist anymore

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The Northman and Elvis were there for you anon.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >How about we have movies and shows made by white men for white men?
        I don't give a frick, dude. I'm not even white myself, according to /misc/. Make what you want as long as you a)don't frick someone else's work to push your politics, b)don't go full moron with your own stories, c)maintain some semblance of logic and internal consistency.

  55. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    NO FEMALE DWARF BEARD
    NO WATCH

  56. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Black people are so sad and pathetic, they have no culture of their own. No myths, no legends, no great authors. So it is our burden to uplift them in our own stories and media.
    There. Now do you understand how incredibly racist all of this is?
    /pol/gays just hate black people because they where bullied in high school or something. But these woke people? That is some 19th century turbo-racist bullshit.

  57. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >barely known Welsh theatre/indie actress carries your $1b flagship show almost singlehandedly in her first major role
    Are bongs really that powerful?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, she's the only reason anyone is going to watch.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        she's cute and all, but she is totally missing this ethereal, elegant beauty that Tolkien described and that PJ depicted perfectly with his Galadriel and Arwen. This girl would make a great Eowyn in a reboot, or some original human character. She has this medieval peasant girl type of beauty to her, rather than elf-like features and beauty.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Even Sam’s wife Rosie is prettier than Amazon Prime discount Galadriel, and she’s the goddamn Hobbit!

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            She gorgeous. Perfect casting in that movie.

  58. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      what the FUKC is up with these goblinoid elves with short hair.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        White Noldor Elves can’t be beautiful.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He's actually got a fair amount of fans already, Celebrimbor was even trending on twitter yesterday when they released those motion posters

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          dude would literally make the perfect hobbit. this casting sucks major ass.

  59. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Eat a dick shill

  60. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Explain why it is good without leftoid rhetoric.

  61. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    switching roles Tar-Miriel and Ar-Pharazon for feminist cookie point.

  62. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Animal actors = animal abuse.

  63. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing inherently wrong with black and brown elves and dwarves, but they really should come from different cultures and stuff instead of just existing for no reason. If they want more non-white characters then they should be travelers from a far off land because this is a medieval world and people of different skin colors were not that mixed outside of great cosmopolitan empires.

  64. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    AYO THIS homie A ORC OR SOME SHIT

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Since Orcs were perversions of Elves, there had to be some black Elves somewhere.

  65. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Blacks and mutts are horrifying to look at. A show is a visual medium. The show takes place in a european styled setting. Having blacks there looks out of place. The same way a white guy in a kimono does. How do you not get this? Explain without using onions rhetoric.

  66. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because I know upon viewing for a fact that they are only there because of the producers ideology. And that ruins my immersion and without immersion fantasy is worthless.

  67. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    UGLY OBESE WOMAN

  68. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You'll never be a woman

  69. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They got the rights to the appendices of a book and wrote a bunch of fanfiction.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      wtf do they need rights for ?
      All they need to do is make a call to the Tolkien Estate and ask if they can include something from the Silmarillion/Unfinished Tales/etc and if it makes sense to include it in the show they will likely say yes

      Rights don't mean as much when the people that hold them are literally helping to make the show

  70. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    just really sick of them casting blacks/women so they can be impervious to any criticism

  71. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    How about you have a nice day.

  72. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    cultural appropriation

  73. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    LotR has already shown there are no black ethnicities within the races of middle earth. These two characters contradict that.

  74. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Not a Tolkien fan or a pol type, but it is just kinda cheap and shitty looking

  75. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Explain why it isn't a bad thing without using reddit rethoric. I'll wait.

  76. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    SHE IS UGLY AF THERE I SAID IT THERE IS NOTHING ATTRACTIVE BOUT A FAT BLACK LADY. the guy on the right is alright

  77. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The only bad thing about it is that it is pretending like it is somehow an official work of Tolkien when in reality is just fanfic.
    If it could get over itself and be honest about what it is, I wouldn't have any problem with it. It isn't like there aren't 1000s of shit fanfics in existence already.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Since when has the forging of the rings of power, rise of Sauron, war between the elves and Sauron, downfall of Numenor and the last alliance of elves and men considered 'fanfic'

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Amazon's take on it is fanfic.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        When they put in Black folk

  78. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'll torrent the first episode then forget about. Big deal.
    Not giving Amazon any money or ratings. Not supporting anti-white hate propaganda.

  79. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because it demonstrates that the quality of the work itself isn't a priority. It's essentially an especially obnoxious form of stunt casting that exists only to cause drama and generate hype. The real tragedy is when the original creators are such limp wristed push overs that they go along with it. Look at Gaiman and Sandman, he's so desperate to destroy any and all artistic merit and visual cohesion of his own work that it makes you question if the whole thing wasn't an accident to begin with.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's a corporate mandate, they don't really have a choice.

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