>This guy was landing on the moon in the early 60s
Early 70's tbh, the Russians made it there in '69 like the US did in reality. >and we are what, in the 00s now?
2003 at the end of last episode.
If you assume he was in his 30's when he went to the moon, he should be in his 60's somewhere. So they're not too far off with the look but it should have been that last season too.
>Gordo cheats on his faithful wife with no "cause" >treated like a pariah, totally his fault, "it's a bad thing" >Whatshername cheats on her faithful husband with his dead friend's son >it's treated like "empowerment", not a bad thing, the kid is more in the wrong about it all than she is
Give me a break
She literally did nothing wrong, when it's your friend's kid it's more of a learning experience. I fucked my mom's friend from college and I didn't consider her a whore for cheating on her husband.
>this is how the show presents it.
But the show presents it as her fucking up her marriage AND that kid's entire life with that one move. To the point where he becomes a fucking danger to space missions because of her grooming. It's only the viewers going "niiiiiice" who present it like her not being wrong.
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>It's only the viewers going "niiiiiice" who present it like her not being wrong.
The character herself literally paints it this way to people she talks about it with, the only person who says shit to her about what a cunt she is is his brother, the terrorist enabler incel stand in.
>Gordo cheats on his faithful wife with no "cause" >treated like a pariah, totally his fault, "it's a bad thing" >Whatshername cheats on her faithful husband with his dead friend's son >it's treated like "empowerment", not a bad thing, the kid is more in the wrong about it all than she is
Give me a break
They're trying like hell to say something with it but damned if I know what it is other than "it's okay when women cheat on husbands who haven't cheated on them, but the reverse is NOT okay".
Don't get me wrong, i'll watch it and likely enjoy it , but part of the joy of the first 2 seasons was the alt-history stuff.
The whole "hey look at how good the apollo shit could have been", rather than what we've now got, which is just modern tech. And I get why, science and technology has advanced loads due to the space race, but i dunno.
it just feels like every other space thing now, and the earlier stuff just didn't, i guess
>rather than what we've now got, which is just modern tech.
Some of it is alt history tech, like the apple video phone thing, which actually did exist in the 90's, it just never went into mass production, too expensive. Living on Mars and the Moon would have made it much more lucrative. Other stuff is just advanced.
If they keep going with the series it'd be interesting to see them go beyond what we have.
>not a bad thing
It litteraly destroys the kid's mind, she fucks up his entire life
Yes but through the perception the show put across, that's the kid's fault for becoming obsessed with her, not her fault for using him.
This show is just feminists in space right? Is it even worth watching?
It has a decent amount of woke content, not gonna lie, but it was tolerable enough for me, since I love both alt history shit and space race shit. It lightens up on it a bit as it goes along and focuses mostly on the good shit, the wokeness is mainly minor plot shit.
>through the perception the show put across, that's the kid's fault
Don't know where you're getting that anon. I introduced a bunch of normies to the show and they all universally fault Karen for fucking up Danny. I'm talking married couples watching together, too.
>rather than what we've now got, which is just modern tech.
Some of it is alt history tech, like the apple video phone thing, which actually did exist in the 90's, it just never went into mass production, too expensive. Living on Mars and the Moon would have made it much more lucrative. Other stuff is just advanced.
If they keep going with the series it'd be interesting to see them go beyond what we have.
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Yes but through the perception the show put across, that's the kid's fault for becoming obsessed with her, not her fault for using him.
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It has a decent amount of woke content, not gonna lie, but it was tolerable enough for me, since I love both alt history shit and space race shit. It lightens up on it a bit as it goes along and focuses mostly on the good shit, the wokeness is mainly minor plot shit.
exactly this. the occasional time skip, such as the one to jamestown base being a thing would have been fine, but the actual construction of the full on base we see in season 2 would have been great.
I still don't really get why we had to immediately go to Mars for the next season, either. Like, I get it, it's the next logical step for space travel, but there's a lot of shit on the moon we could have been doing too. Other nations having a moonbase, for example. Hell, whatever counts for the EU in this alt reality could have scrounged up the funds for a base. China, India, etc.
I know it was always gonna be cold war but in space, but I feel like if you follow the progression of the space race in regards to the lore of the show, loads of countries would be tryna get a piece of the pie.
>India >mfw Jamestown is taken out by India's first moon landing, where they lose contact and crash it into the surface just like in real life
We definitely should have gotten more moon shenanigans before moving on. Either culminating in one side taking over the whole ball and thus necessitating the other to go for Mars, or the two countries actually coming together because they can't have a war on the moon. Maybe the two of them policing the newcomers to stop a war from breaking out on the moon, having learnt their lessons on that front. Like the Soviets have to keep the Norks from stealing and some private company that tagged along with the US almost causes a war by getting greedy and setting off quakes with their illegal drilling.
That would have been perfect. Actually having the US and the USSR have to broker some sort of peace deal between, hell, if you want it to be silly like season 3, North fucking Korea and someone.
Joel Kino-man would have been a damn fine space diplomat and I would have loved every second.
Alternatively, they could have taken the KGB thing to the logical extreme and we could have followed the induction, training, and eventual placement of a KGB astronaut in Jonestown for the USSR. That would have been cool as fuck, go full spy thriller for a season.
Would have been a hell of a season finale if we've been following a guy training for the mission for a whole season, really connected with him, and then right at the end he salutes the USSR flag and we get flashbacks to scenes that took place right before or after he's in contact with the motherland, lending a new perspective to all of them.
Hell, have that season also show a Cosmonaut training and having the same trajectory, highlighting the differences in the training you get since we haven't really seen the Cosmonaut side. So you think the whole season is about showing these two people who are going to the moon for their country and how similar yet different they are, but then in the finale you find out they're both going for the USSR.
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Anonymous
Right?! It would have been fucking amazing, and really leaned into the Cold War thing. Could you fuckin' imagine Ed having a weird feeling about him on a mission, and through whatever happenstance catches them in the act of either sabotage, or relaying a message over to Svezda (sp? the russian base)
The Korean-fighting chad would have seen red and smashed his fucking teeth in
>I get it, it's the next logical step for space travel, but there's a lot of shit on the moon we could have been doing too.
Probably just advanced to mars for the same reason we stopped airing moon landings, novelty was gone, ratings expended. Advancing it to Mars kind of necessitates the time skip. But I agree, I could have done with a far slower series really digging into it.
>Hell, whatever counts for the EU in this alt reality
No anon. The Maastricht Treaty was about getting out from under the Americans as they were no longer needed with the dissolution of the Soviet Bloc. In this universe it growing stronger instead of failing and actually expanding.
I came for alt-apollo and kept having to sit through lesbians and married couple drama. I don't care about human interaction, I care about SPACEFLIGHT.
fuckin' bingo. I don't care about any of the shit going on at NASA apart from Aledas fat ass. Give me more of Gordo and Ed being space bros, fuckin' space pussy left and right
The Nork was the most interesting bit of the last season. Can't wait to see how they handle him being pissed at being abandoned by his country, while being embraced by the world as the first man on Mars.
I wonder if they'll bury the truth that they were there first, but still say that he arrived.
Makes both the USSR and the US look shit.
In fact, maybe that'll be what cools the cold war. Both parties having the same piece of blackmail over the other.
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Anonymous
I don't think that blackmail would be quite equal though, because they wouldn't have been able to send that guy up without the USSR feeding North Korea tech. On the one hand the USSR could still claim some of the cred for the tech, on the other hand the US would be able to point to them and say they were part of the inhuman act of sending a man to die on Mars just to win the race, while the US was willing to lose the race to save their fellow man.
It suppose it all depends on who gets to make that call. The astronauts, politicians or military.
I might pirate it in 2+ years when everyone else has stopped talking about it, by then any bugs should be fixed.
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Anonymous
This is what I do with most games now, lol. And as a bonus by the time it's actually gotten enough patches to be as finished as it should have been at release, the mod availability will be sweet. Can finally fuck in space.
>cares about spaceflight >watches a dogshit feminist bull dyke show that shitsmears every single great astronaut who went to the moon along with the engineers and people who built the vehicles they went to moon with
Honestly I really hated what they did to von Braun, almost dropped it there. But it was still decent even with the bullshit. Kind of sad to think how good it could have been without it entirely.
>shitsmears von Braun without ever going into operation Paperclip >doesn't even bother giving the excuse the US uses that "we needed to keep the Russians from getting those scientists" >doesn't go into why the US would shelter Nazis and give them immunity at all immediately after WWII
They didn't want normalfags looking into that stuff.
1 week ago
Anonymous
"wait this isn't made up for the show? N-nazi's??? In my l-land of the f-f-free?! Nooooooo we're perfect"
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Anonymous
Not like the US gets some stellar portrayal in it anyway. I was surprised when they did the storyline with Margot, otherwise they made the Russians look fucking great for a while, nothing negative at all.
1 week ago
Anonymous
That whole shit with the KGB and Margot inadvertently handing them info instead of just telling Sergei was so fuckin stupid.
"Hey, I could get tried for high treason for telling you this, but you're a scientist and i'm trying to save your people's lives so it's a noble cause, but i'm not actually going to defend my actions whatsoever, i'm just going to roll over and accept my fate as a traitor"
I feel like in real life, a rational person would have attended a committee hearing and gone "Yeah, I told them about the O ring thing. If I hadn't, they would have died. They are not soldiers in the cold war up there, they're fellow scientists" or some bollocks. It just seemed so very contrived.
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Anonymous
>I feel like in real life, a rational person would have attended a committee hearing and gone "Yeah, I told them about the O ring thing. If I hadn't, they would have died. They are not soldiers in the cold war up there, they're fellow scientists" or some bollocks.
You'd still get fucked in reality, secret clearance is secret clearance, they don't give a fuck why you gave out classified info to an "enemy nation". Margot had some hangup about being the first woman flight director and all too, so didn't want to "fuck it up for other women" or whatever.
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Anonymous
Oh, i have no doubts that you'd get royally fucked, and probably even see the inside of a jail cell for it. But, I feel like they make quite a big thing about the general public not really hating the Soviets as much as the high command does.
They could easily have gone with the "leak the truth to the press, ease the tensions on the cold war by having whatshername Lesbian president pardon her for her actions and be all condescending and bitchy at the same time, because that's pretty much all her character ever fucking did" route.
1 week ago
Anonymous
God damn I forgot the lesbian became president. What a stupid fucking subplot.
1 week ago
Anonymous
I get that it's meant to be like "hey look how far humanity has come thanks to the space race not fizzling out, we've got a WOMAN as President?! AND SHE'S GAY?!
but it's just so fucking disengenous. The character never shows any desire for politics. I didn't mind it so much when she was an astronaut having to hide her deviances from NASA, but having a gay female president in the fuckin 80's is laughable.
That writing room must have left early for the day for coming up with that absolute gem.
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Anonymous
>they make quite a big thing about the general public not really hating the Soviets as much as the high command does.
The US would have been way less willing to cooperate with the USSR in anything if they'd won the space race, no matter what the public opinion was, so that part of it was pretty accurate I think.
God damn I forgot the lesbian became president. What a stupid fucking subplot.
Lol I just started skipping through her scenes once she became president, could see how that plotline was going to go coming.
>oh yay a space race show! >what's that? A female kosmonaut? NASA immediately training female astronauts for PR reasons?! REEEEE SAVE ME FROM THE COSMIC HORRORS moronMAN
For any chinese cartoon viewers who also want to watch something spaceflight-related, I offer Tsuki no Laika, or "Irina the vampire cosmonaut".
It's a little story about a not-USSR using a not-gypsy girl as a test subject for Soyuz prior to putting a 'real' pilot on board. The series covers the planning, training and execution of the first manned flight, following main characters Irina and Lev. It's okay.
She felt like a real person, the president chick doesn't, she just feels like an allegorical agenda. Even before she was known as a lesbian in the show, she was off. Shallow.
And it isn't just about the fact she's the main gay character so gets all of the gay messages shoved through her mouth, the nigress feels like a real person too, even though half the time that's all she's doing but for the black issues.
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Anonymous
The nigress actually has some foibles though, she's proven wrong a few times. She makes poor decisions. Lesbian President just falls upwards and upwards. She never makes a wrong move. It's just shittily written. I could probably have gotten behind the concept if it had been done a little slower, and showed more of the difficulties of having a Woman run for president in the fucking 80's
but I don't fucking need this in my SPACE SHOW
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Anonymous
>She never makes a wrong move
she literally admitted to being a lesbian on live tv, she's done for
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Anonymous
yeah but that's right at the fuckin' end of it all. She's made it to President. She fuckin won, lets be fair. Nowhere else to go from there.
I dunno, I just feel like they fucked her character up a lot. I enjoyed the stuff where she was running Military NASA and having to lie/not tell Margot stuff while in Mission Control. That really played to her strengths. I just can't see a world where her character becoming president makes logical sense.
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Anonymous
yeah it kinda came unexpectedly and didnt make a lot of sense, but I didnt mind her storyline that much
she's the sellout who develops second thoughts. I hope they have at least the balls to show her crash and burn in the 96 election and stay a one termer
1 week ago
Anonymous
yeah but that's right at the fuckin' end of it all. She's made it to President. She fuckin won, lets be fair. Nowhere else to go from there.
I dunno, I just feel like they fucked her character up a lot. I enjoyed the stuff where she was running Military NASA and having to lie/not tell Margot stuff while in Mission Control. That really played to her strengths. I just can't see a world where her character becoming president makes logical sense.
>yfw she runs as a Republican again and causes the parties to flip again when all the other Republicans abandon ship, making the Democrats the conservatives in their timeline
1 week ago
Anonymous
Never happen, they play way too comfortably from the leftist perspective so they won't touch the dems.
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Anonymous
>yfw the US actually stops being a two-party state because there's enough defectors to create an entirely new party, causing a fracturing that allows smaller and more varied political parties to be viable >yfw this allows the USSR to leap ahead politically
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Anonymous
i guess given the involvement of women in the space program we are meant to accept that society is just less sexist so its easier for her to advance, but it makes it jarring when they have progressive attitudes to women paired with con attitudes to gays (and especially lesbians, i mean have conservatives ever given a fuck about lesbians lmao?)
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Anonymous
>it makes it jarring when they have progressive attitudes to women paired with con attitudes to gays
They play it like the USSR forced their hand with the women. The don't ask don't tell shit really did happen around that time, but it was Clinton that introduced that. So the attitudes about gays wouldn't really have changed, nothing happened to "make them".
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Anonymous
>i mean have conservatives ever given a fuck about lesbians lmao?
Fun fact: back when men would be hanged for homosexual acts there were lesbian women living with each other without worry. Because conservatives have truly never given a fuck about them except to seethe about the hot ones not having sex with them.
Hell, I even enjoyed the reactions between him and Ed's wife (who's name escapes me because she was trash) when she caught him smoking weed. That was an enjoyable little thing, and the fact they became friends because of it was actually somewhat believable.
I can't imagine there's much more stressful in life than watching your loved one go to fucking Space, so having a joint or two to get through it is absolutely believeable.
1 week ago
Anonymous
I honestly think I'd handle being on the rocket better than sitting around waiting to hear if they're dead like the wives. Based on how calm I was when I went skydiving, versus waiting by a phone to hear some news.
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Anonymous
Literally had the exact same experience. Being the guy putting yourself at risk is a fucking breeze. Watching my Brother skydive was fucking terrifying. Bizarre.
You'd think they'd have a better crewed vehicle than the LEM after having set up a surface base. The LEM was a single-use tin can coated in gold foil, hell the one Armstrong piloted down almost ran out of fuel before landing.
This. Using historical events as a backdrop the show was pretty decent. As soon as they had to start making shit up on their own it turned into mid tier 90's television sci fi shit.
Really she just wanted to fuck Sergei and that was the entire problem, that would have fucked her with trying to justify leaking classified info as well.
Give me some recs for other "hard sci-fi" stuff that takes place in the 60-80s. I loved that whole look coupled with the tech being slightly more advanced and everything being slightly different. Not so interesting now that things are getting the modern sci-fi look.
I don't know too many, but I think the term you'd want to search for is NASApunk. It kinda encapsulates the whole "what if we didn't stop going to space" thing.
The book "Project Hail Mary" is pretty good. It's written by the same guy who wrote The Martian.
There's this thing called "Eyes turned upwards" but it's not a show or anything, just a collaborative internet project by a bunch of nerds. It's essentially the original pitch of For All Mankind: what if development in spaceflight hadn't stalled after Apollo? There's tons of technical specifications and flight plans for the speculative missions over a long timeline, utilizing unrealized concepts like Orion drive ships and Sea Dragon.
I've never been able to ever get into it, but it's a thing that exists.
I'll also mention BBC's "Voyage to the Planets", a quasi-documentary on a fictional manned mission to all the planets in one big round trip over 7+ years. Some of the tech is hand-wavy but it's fun to watch. Last time I checked it was on YT still in two parts, like 45 minutes each or so. Pic related, they send an astronaut down to Io with a personal magnetosphere in the suit, giving her an aurora while she's getting belted with dickloads of radiation.
You'll also never get to literally lose your mind from the fact you haven't taken a breath of fresh air in 6 months, haven't showered properly in that amount of time either, and your wife is leaving you.
ngl i'd happily go to Jonestown once the entire colony was up and running, but being one of the first 3? Get to fuuuuuuuuck
>lose your mind from the fact you haven't taken a breath of fresh air in 6 months, haven't showered properly in that amount of time either
WhereDoYouThinkYouAre.jpg.exe
valid point however I can open a window while sat at my PC for 16 hours at a time
>but being one of the first 3
I'd be perfectly content in the Nork pilot's shoes, all I want out of a trip into space is utter solitude the likes of which man has never known.
Fair, but having to bury your bro who didn't survive the landing? That'd suck.
Speaking of the Nork, I actually really enjoyed all the little news snippets about the North Korean "missile" launches throughout the season. It was some actually decent foreshadowing.
>but being one of the first 3
I'd be perfectly content in the Nork pilot's shoes, all I want out of a trip into space is utter solitude the likes of which man has never known.
But Sergei fled to the US
I have this bad feeling they kept her alive and sent her to the USSR to do some preaching about [CURRENT UKRAINE ISSUES]
Probably why they even started saying jack shit negative about Russia in the show, they didn't at all the first 2 seasons.
>saying jack shit negative about Russia in the show
did you miss the episodes where they kill several people jamestown and threatened to nuke the southern US?
they are clearly the antagonist in this show from the very beginning
>where they kill several people jamestown and threatened to nuke the southern US?
Because Kinoman kidnapped their cosmonaut? Because he misinterpreted their condolences about his son's death, because nobody at NASA would tell him? They were portrayed as mostly blameless in all that. The shit with Sergei and Margot is the first "unjustified" shit the Russians are shown as doing.
so the russians were in fact the bad guys in season 2 when they tried to deny one of their guys asylum in the US, killed several americans at jamestown and almost made the nuclear reactor explode by accident?
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Anonymous
>when they tried to deny one of their guys asylum in the US
The guy that defected was only in the position to be able to defect at all because him and his buddy got shot by astronauts. The other guy died. And this is after Kinoman kidnapped the one guy already previously and was wrecking their cameras and shit. They're given every excuse and the NASA characters even spell out their excuses for them, they didn't believe the guy wanted to defect and it came off like bullshit.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Didn't he destroy their cameras because they were destroying NASA's cameras and shit? Plus, they stole the mining site. I don't think the USSR come off as completely guilt free in the whole thing.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Didn't he destroy their cameras because they were destroying NASA's cameras and shit?
iirc he did it after their condolences about his son, before he knew his son was actually dead. >I don't think the USSR come off as completely guilt free in the whole thing.
The show gives them all of their excuses with all of that stuff, nothing is ever really shown from the Russian perspective, the guy Kinoman kidnaps for a while comes off totally likable. Anything negative SAID by any of the characters about the Russians is delivered pretty hillbillyish, while also giving them logical, buyable excuses for whatever they do. Lol right up until the Margot-Sergei thing.
It's like they didn't want to portray them negatively at all, but Ukraine kicked off during the run of the show, so they started working it in there. Probably to have Margot or characters around her preaching around it next season.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Oh, you absolutely know there's gonna be a Ukraine parallel. It'll probably be the war in Afghanistan or something like that. Some shit like Lesbian Pres funds the mujahadeen.
Oooh, I wonder what would happen in the SENPAI universe when 9/11 happens.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Would the USSR even bother with a proxy war in Afghanistan when they're busy winning the space race? I could see them not wanting to waste resources, so nobody gets involved in Afghanistan and then the dominoes fall until 9/11 never happens, being another point where the show tells us how much better things would have been if we focused on the space race.
1 week ago
Anonymous
True.
Oh, speaking of the whole >how much better things would have been if we focused on the space race
thing, I really enjoy the alternative history news stuff they made for the show.
These things are so good.
1 week ago
Anonymous
I really got a kick out of the repeated news cameos from Lennon.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Roman Polanski was arrested at the Canadian Border >mfw Polanski actually got punished for raping a kid in their universe >mfw no Polanski movie after the 70s exist in their universe
1 week ago
Anonymous
For All Mankind intro even mentioned John Paul II was killed and Polish Solidarity movement crushed.
It helped Soviets remain stable.
1 week ago
Anonymous
the show is already in 94, so afghanistan didnt happen because they dont mention it
1 week ago
Anonymous
True.
Oh, speaking of the whole >how much better things would have been if we focused on the space race
thing, I really enjoy the alternative history news stuff they made for the show.
These things are so good.
Would the USSR even bother with a proxy war in Afghanistan when they're busy winning the space race? I could see them not wanting to waste resources, so nobody gets involved in Afghanistan and then the dominoes fall until 9/11 never happens, being another point where the show tells us how much better things would have been if we focused on the space race.
oh shit you're right, i just rewatched the vid i posted here and it's right there at 1.19, just for the reasons you said
1 week ago
Anonymous
True.
Oh, speaking of the whole >how much better things would have been if we focused on the space race
thing, I really enjoy the alternative history news stuff they made for the show.
These things are so good.
I honestly didn't remember that they had a news segment about it. It must have just been rolling around in my head, like so many real-life facts I wouldn't be able to provide sources for.
1 week ago
Anonymous
soviet russia is the real superpower, some chechens will blow up the kremlin or something
1 week ago
Anonymous
>instead of a United 93 situation where some fighter jets were ready to ram it if it approached DC but the passengers became the patriotic heroes you just have the soviets using surface-to-air missiles on any plane outside their flight path as soon as the first hit is confirmed >including one that wasn't hijacked, it just flew over Russian airspace
1 week ago
Anonymous
>you just have the soviets using surface-to-air missile
Lol that IS what took down flight 93
1 week ago
Anonymous
They wouldn't have been able to hide that expenditure and all the people required to do the launch. It was a hothead kamikaze pilot ramming the plane and then it got hushed up because they didn't want to deal with the trouble of making the US pilot a hero for flying his plane into something that kills civilians while telling everyone that the Jihadis are evil for doing the same thing.
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Anonymous
>and then the dominoes fall until 9/11 never happen
It can happen to the Soviets, uprising crushed in Soviet Poland l, disgruntled Soviet cosmonaut of Polish descent onboard nuclear shuttle hijacks it and crashes it over Moscow as sign of defiance.
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Anonymous
Would the USSR even bother with a proxy war in Afghanistan when they're busy winning the space race? I could see them not wanting to waste resources, so nobody gets involved in Afghanistan and then the dominoes fall until 9/11 never happens, being another point where the show tells us how much better things would have been if we focused on the space race.
They're not going to touch 9/11, they already skipped past it to 2003.
>I have this bad feeling they kept her alive and sent her to the USSR to do some preaching about [CURRENT UKRAINE ISSUES]
Anpn realistically they have to deal sooner or later with Poland, Balts,Ukrainians,Hungarians and Czechs wanting out of Soviet rule.
A nationalistic uprising in Central Europe against Soviet Union is an inevitability, especially since even in this timeline Soviets are struggling economically.
Who knows if there would have been an uprising like that without the USSR financially collapsing. It's not doing that in the show at least thus far. And they only have so many episodes per season, as much as I love alt history shit this is supposed to be focused on the space exploration aspects of that, everything else they do that isn't some conversational comment or tv news snippet takes away from the space shit.
The last season was already starting to shoehorn in excuses to do the little woke sideplots they wanted in there, like the astronaut announcing he was gay to segue into the lesbian president having to address the US gays issues, because otherwise there was zero reason for that to happen in the show, it would have been clearly and obviously forced.
>show specifically about how the US got outplayed by the soviets in technological and societal prestige and has to do some soul searching and come back from a state of defeat with new ideas >WHY ARE THERE SOCIAL ISSUES BROUGHT UP IN THIS SHOW???
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Anonymous
What did being gay have to do with space? WHat do gay rights issues have to do with fucking space?
Nothing.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Lol they don't even focus on BLACK issues nearly as much as the gay rights shit, and you'd expect them to lean on that far harder.
Oh, speaking of the whole >how much better things would have been if we focused on the space race
thing, I really enjoy the alternative history news stuff they made for the show.
These things are so good.
again. the soviets are for some magic reason clearly a lot better off economically than in our time.
if gorbachev did in fact loosen political restrictions a bit and the people in eastern europe enjoyed a rising standard of living, theres no reason to assume the soviets would just collapse anytime soon
Soviets were hated by Poles and West Ukrainians, they could build them gold palaces and Poles would still hate Soviets and try to get out. Their resentment wasn't based on economy but on nationalism and cultural resistance to Russia be it Soviet or Tsarists
>implying they won't discover revitalising rays on Mars and he'll go through the ageing make-up backwards for a season, allowing him to live long enough to become the first man to leave the galaxy to seed the stars
And in the show Jamestown only went into meltdown mode because of the secret military alterations to the reactor that NASA nor the Russians even knew about, lol.
Oh I know it does, but it's still a super thin atmosphere. Like, the mega storms that hit the surface would, by all accounts, barely be perceptible by an astronaut stood on the surface.
It's not like in The Martian where it'd tip the lander, and they all panic
I think it would dissipate quickly? I'm not sure now that you mention it, there are some wispy clouds on Mars that manage to remain coherent so maybe smoke would act the same. The big thing would be there's not enough O2 for fire to smolder, but if the smoke built up inside the oxygenated capsule before the door was opened then it'd probably all billow out.
>planetes
while watching Gundam a thumbnail of Planetes came up. Is it any good? Seems a little too hard-scifi'ey for my taste but it looks interesting.
god i fucking love hard sci-fi. I can't really get into shows that are just like "haha we go fast but don't have to worry about physics cause fuck you suspend your disbelief"
It took me a while to get into The Expanse, just cause it seemed so unlikely. But, the more reading into it, and the epstein (lol) drive being just super fuckin efficient, it kinda makes a bit more sense.
Oh, if anyone here hasn't watched The Expanse, take this as your sign to watch it. At least until the last season which is a little weaker than the rest but somewhat good.
>At least until the last season which is a little weaker than the rest but somewhat good.
For all their flaws those last 2 seasons have the most kino space dogfights anyone has made, fight me.
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Oh, big time. The actual space shit is always excellent in the show, the stuff planetside is always what lets it down.
That is, with the exception of Peaches and Amos. That's a chad storyline
It's kind of a "slice of life in space" sorta thing, where the setting and realism is the draw moreso than the characters (at least to me). It's pretty good though, it's just about life in low earth orbit and the normalized nature of what's still sci-fi to us today.
Honestly it's about 50-60% good alt history space race kino and 40-50% woke subplots, varies. But Kinoman and that 50-60% are good enough to make the other shit tolerable/skippable.
There absolutely are that, but it kinda makes sense in context? The first season basically kicks off with the Soviets winning the space race, getting to the moon first, and then coming back to kick America in the teeth by also having the first female in Space.
So, America goes "SHIT SON WE GOTTA WIN SOME PR POINTS ITS ALL ABOUT THE RACE FOR A BASE NOW ALSO WE KNOW WHAT WOMEN ARE, LOOK WE'VE GOT THIS BUNCH OF BITCHES"
>well at least we still got seg- >ARE YOU CRAZY!? WE CAN FINALLY BEAT THOSE DAMN RUSSKIES AT SOMETHING! WE NEED THE FIRST Black IN SPACE DAMMIT! IMAGINE HOW BAD IT WOULD LOOK IF THEY MANAGED TO GET ONE UP THERE BEFORE US!
>The first season basically kicks off with the Soviets winning the space race
So real life then? They did win it. They achieved every milestone first except the moon.
They got the designs from Margot, that's a big ol' plot point of the season. She's basically giving them the tech specs because she's scared of more astronauts dying if the Russians continue making using their shit, falling apart stuff.
The USSR just kind of gave up after the US won the race. Too expensive and the prestige bonus was no longer available. Plus they spent themselves into a hole with it as it was already.
Reminder that they designed, built and flew the Buran simply because they saw us building the Shuttle. It's a good knockoff too, they flew it entirely unmanned and it worked fine.
Wasn't the Buran better in some respects, as to it's capabilities and cargo capacity?
I admit, I don't know as much about the Russian space program as I would like. I suppose being Western I was always drawn to Apollo and the Shuttle.
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I don't know about cargo, but flying autonomously was something the Shuttle couldn't do that Buran could. Still they only flew it once then the country collapsed.
42 days to Mars sounds nice. A shame the tech was abandoned. The only problem I see is getting the hazardous materials into space first.
>The only problem I see is getting the hazardous materials into space first.
Reopen Woomera, if you have a failure on the pad it's not like you ruined the Florida coastline.
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Have you seen the urban exploring vids on youtube of the guy who finds the warehouse that it's stored in?
It's legitimately sad to see something that belongs either on the pad or in orbit just rotting and rusting to pieces in a leaking building.
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Yeah one of the Burans got spraypainted up a couple years back, a real shame. There's a complete one in Kazakhstan I think, in some private collector's possession. I thought I heard recently that Russia asked for it back and was told flatly to piss off.
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I had no idea about that! That's fuckin cool. Do you have any links to some pictures of that?
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https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/kazakh-entrepreneur-seeks-to-trade-soviet-shuttle-for-historic-skull/
It's a little older than I'd thought, but here's an article. I guess it's the same Buran, there's just a guy claiming he owns the place now.
>original Orion pitch: "We can use nuclear bomb tech in a really useful way, we can be out to Saturn in six months! This will open up the solar system!" >US Army-modified Orion pitch: "Orbital battleships, armed with hundreds of MIRVs ready to rain nuclear holocaust down on the Soviets at a moment's notice, and they can't do shit about it."
That's why Sea Dragon was launched out in the middle of the fuckin' ocean though. We could ABSOLUTELY get radioactive materials into space safely.
I don't know about cargo, but flying autonomously was something the Shuttle couldn't do that Buran could. Still they only flew it once then the country collapsed.
[...] >The only problem I see is getting the hazardous materials into space first.
Reopen Woomera, if you have a failure on the pad it's not like you ruined the Florida coastline.
Couldn't you just ship the hazardous materials in a really really secure strongbox to the moon and build the stuff there? Like, build it to eject the strongbox if anything goes wrong, with shielding built to protect it from any explosion. If it explodes on the moon then that's their problem.
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The issue with radioactive payloads is always the potential for a catastrophic failure that ends up irradiating the people. Wind could pick up the particulates as well and end up irradiating massive areas.
Sea Dragon was intended to carry Plutonium? I think? For the nuclear engines that NASA intended to build, but it would have launched basically as far away from anything as possible. That's why it was designed to launch from the ocean.
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It can be done and has been done regularly. A couple of Mars rovers have tiny nuclear reactors on board, but for interplanetary travel they would need actual nuclear bombs, which are outlawed in space for now.
A movie would probably suck, the thing that makes the show so good is it has enough time to get its wokeness out of the way and let the good space shit breathe. They'd probably make the movie 70%+ woke since time crunch. It's clear they really give a shit about getting that shit in there.
You know what's really sad about the whole "what if" that this entire show bases itself on?
I remember reading somewhere online on what would happen if Congress fucked up when doing the budget, and for ONE year, the military and NASA got their budgets flipped.
The military by all accounts would be fine. They'd mothball a few programs for 12 months, and start it back up. NASA on the other hand would be funded for something like 50 years. Doing everything that they could ever fucking want to do.
Can you imagine that? A world in which scientific exploration and research came first? For ONE fucking year?!
I'll see if I can dig the source out, standby, lads.
>The military by all accounts would be fine. They'd mothball a few programs for 12 months,
friendly reminder that the resulting order, transportation and production stops would put millions of people out of work and NASA doesnt nearly have enough infrastructure to use all that money and jobless people on a moments notice. this would crash the economy harder than '08
The big point is more that they wouldn't try and spend it all at once. They'd save it and spend it carefully, but also have the option to be a bit frivolous with the spending. You know, investing in things that are a bit of a long-shot. Stuff that might not pan out, but are still good scientific data.
the big point is that you have no idea about government program spending. funding would be used on pointless shit and vanity projects just like they do in the military.
Oh, i'm sure. But even if we say 50% of the budget would get pissed up against a wall, the amount of GOOD that a massive cash injection could do can't be understated. It would be so nice.
In the last season they just fully left the alternate history genre and went straight into science fiction. The show now just feels like a technocrat wet dream where humanity could have solved all our problems if smart people could make the right gadgets.
A lot of stuff on the show obviously isn't feasible today or probably even this century. Also the technology to solve climate change for example (i.e. electric motors, public transport) has existed for a long time but that didn't solve the problem because of economic and political considerations.
It's pretty rich for the west to say this after a century of creating the problem. This time we're in now may end up being remembered as the peak of living standards, the fact that everyone else now wants to live like us is our fault.
The west raised more people out of abject poverty than at any other time in history. The only solutions to "global boiling" are coming from the west, embraced by the west, and resisted by subhumans.
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conspiracy theory: it takes a long, long fucking time for the sun to expand into a red giant, billions of years, and it's already started, but this is being obfuscated since the only people who can tell are the ones measuring the sun over years and years.
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>The west raised more people out of abject poverty than at any other time in history
Actually it was China
I stopped watching after the Mars landing, it was handled so horribly. Edward not being the first to land, and then when Russia/the U.S. does land they have them fall over each other in some Marvel-tier meme. Does it get better afterwards?
SPACE ISN'T REAL MUM AND DAD WERE KILLED ON THE MOON CAUSE THEY JUST WERE OKAY
However, you'd think that Ed of all people would have gone to the pair of the kids and been "yeah, they died, but they died cause of this shit, just don't fuckin tell anyone"
Considering how good declassified spy pics from the 90's are, i'd fucking love to see how good spy satellites are nowadays. I'd be surprised if they couldn't track an individual down to the fuckin bald patch on their head like in the movies
I started watching Season 1. Stopped watching when they implied women had any meaningful contributions whatsoever. So I made it like 5 minutes into episode 1.
Pussy. Imagine being a grown man unable to tolerate images and words on a screen for more than 5 minutes to get to the kino.
Why are there so many babyfied pussies on this board. >oh NOOOOOO I'm getting BRAINWASHED
If you can get brainwashed by media like this then brainwashing is the least of your issues by far.
I hope China fucks everyone and uses an Orion Drive launch from Earth straight to Jupiter.
Since Soviet Union still exists they should have a plot about Eastern Europeans may e Poles or Ukrainian pilots hijacking a nuclear Soviet shuttle and crashing it over Moscow.
I tried watching this show but after a couple episodes it felt like a shitty Muh family relationship drama with space as a background, rather than a show about space travel and exploration and shit. Does it get better bros?
s1-2 relationship drama at least felt plausible for the most part. s3 is where it starts to get annoying with the president announcing on tv that she likes hot steamy gay sex
I'm preparing for the music to go off of a cliff since they're in the 2000s now.
I'm hoping for an alternate timeline rendition of this, where the Guardians are changed to the ones who died in their timeline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcSeasJ4Lzg
old people makeup and masks are a pain in the ass to do and generally look bad, especially if its for more than one static scene. they were never gonna put the main characters through all that hassle.
at least Kinoman tried by acting old man mannerisms
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I'm not very good at seeing people's ages so they actually managed to make me doubt the ages of the characters. Like I started thinking that he must be WAY older than his wife and I just didn't notice it earlier, and so he was hitting his old age at 60 since he lived a rough life while she's cruising at 39 with a facelift.
Spin-off show about the Russian side of the story, with lots more spy stuff and people getting disappeared instead of the family drama in the show. Yay or nay? Would knowing the outcome from the US side make it too boring?
"Rocketing into the new millennium in the eight years since Season 3, Happy Valley has rapidly expanded its footprint on Mars by turning former foes into partners. Now 2003, the focus of the space program has turned to the capture and mining of extremely valuable, mineral-rich asteroids that could change the future of both Earth and Mars. But simmering tensions between the residents of the now-sprawling international base threaten to undo everything they are working towards."
BTW -- the DVD/Blurays for the earlier seasons are finally being released. S01 and S02 are out. S03 in October.
Why can’t they just make a cool show about space and space related drama and shot, why can’t these idiots help themselves and keep from making it a pedestrian relationships drama that happens in space. Many such cases. The expanse did this shit also and I hate it. I don’t want to watch fucking greys anatomy in space reeeeeeeeeeeeee
Kino
At least they're TRYING to make them look older now, last season's effort was laughable.
How old was kinoman supposed to be last season?
50's-60's, so he should have looked roughly about how he looks in the OP pic
Isn’t he supposed to be in his 80s now? This guy was landing on the moon in the early 60s and we are what, in the 00s now?
Glenn rode the shuttle when he was like 80 I think
>This guy was landing on the moon in the early 60s
Early 70's tbh, the Russians made it there in '69 like the US did in reality.
>and we are what, in the 00s now?
2003 at the end of last episode.
If you assume he was in his 30's when he went to the moon, he should be in his 60's somewhere. So they're not too far off with the look but it should have been that last season too.
>mfw finally running the math in my head and realising the grey streak of hair was meant to represent her being like 60, not just a stressed out 40
He looks as old as he should have looked last season though.
Kinoman is back
At least his dumb whore wife is dead now.
>she's a whore just for fucking her dead friend's son
gay
>she's a whore just for fucking her dead friend's son
Correct.
I don't watch teasers/trailers, when is this out
She literally did nothing wrong, when it's your friend's kid it's more of a learning experience. I fucked my mom's friend from college and I didn't consider her a whore for cheating on her husband.
>Gordo was wrong but she wasn't
I don't care about your take, this is how the show presents it.
>this is how the show presents it.
But the show presents it as her fucking up her marriage AND that kid's entire life with that one move. To the point where he becomes a fucking danger to space missions because of her grooming. It's only the viewers going "niiiiiice" who present it like her not being wrong.
>It's only the viewers going "niiiiiice" who present it like her not being wrong.
The character herself literally paints it this way to people she talks about it with, the only person who says shit to her about what a cunt she is is his brother, the terrorist enabler incel stand in.
Well, you are wrong.
>Gordo cheats on his faithful wife with no "cause"
>treated like a pariah, totally his fault, "it's a bad thing"
>Whatshername cheats on her faithful husband with his dead friend's son
>it's treated like "empowerment", not a bad thing, the kid is more in the wrong about it all than she is
Give me a break
>not a bad thing
It litteraly destroys the kid's mind, she fucks up his entire life
you know who the target audience of this show is?
women 35-60
just think about that for a minute
then you'll understand everything about the show
This event made no fucking sense and Im continually stunned they keep dragging it out as a major plot thread instead of trying to forget it happened.
it made a little sense before I realised how fucking old she was actually meant to be when it happened
They're trying like hell to say something with it but damned if I know what it is other than "it's okay when women cheat on husbands who haven't cheated on them, but the reverse is NOT okay".
haha so wait
Black guy works in a foodtruck on Earth, avdert tells you that you can do better, so he goes to Mars to work at a canteen hahaha
Fucking brilliant
Damn, thought it was the other swedish dude in the thumbnail
Don't get me wrong, i'll watch it and likely enjoy it , but part of the joy of the first 2 seasons was the alt-history stuff.
The whole "hey look at how good the apollo shit could have been", rather than what we've now got, which is just modern tech. And I get why, science and technology has advanced loads due to the space race, but i dunno.
it just feels like every other space thing now, and the earlier stuff just didn't, i guess
>rather than what we've now got, which is just modern tech.
Some of it is alt history tech, like the apple video phone thing, which actually did exist in the 90's, it just never went into mass production, too expensive. Living on Mars and the Moon would have made it much more lucrative. Other stuff is just advanced.
If they keep going with the series it'd be interesting to see them go beyond what we have.
Yes but through the perception the show put across, that's the kid's fault for becoming obsessed with her, not her fault for using him.
It has a decent amount of woke content, not gonna lie, but it was tolerable enough for me, since I love both alt history shit and space race shit. It lightens up on it a bit as it goes along and focuses mostly on the good shit, the wokeness is mainly minor plot shit.
>through the perception the show put across, that's the kid's fault
Don't know where you're getting that anon. I introduced a bunch of normies to the show and they all universally fault Karen for fucking up Danny. I'm talking married couples watching together, too.
That's the way I see it as well, but it's still how the show puts it forward. Gordo's cheating is treated completely differently to hers.
Yeah I would have been happier if there had been zero timeskips, with each season being a year at most. Just lay the alt history on me slowly, baby.
exactly this. the occasional time skip, such as the one to jamestown base being a thing would have been fine, but the actual construction of the full on base we see in season 2 would have been great.
I still don't really get why we had to immediately go to Mars for the next season, either. Like, I get it, it's the next logical step for space travel, but there's a lot of shit on the moon we could have been doing too. Other nations having a moonbase, for example. Hell, whatever counts for the EU in this alt reality could have scrounged up the funds for a base. China, India, etc.
I know it was always gonna be cold war but in space, but I feel like if you follow the progression of the space race in regards to the lore of the show, loads of countries would be tryna get a piece of the pie.
>India
>mfw Jamestown is taken out by India's first moon landing, where they lose contact and crash it into the surface just like in real life
We definitely should have gotten more moon shenanigans before moving on. Either culminating in one side taking over the whole ball and thus necessitating the other to go for Mars, or the two countries actually coming together because they can't have a war on the moon. Maybe the two of them policing the newcomers to stop a war from breaking out on the moon, having learnt their lessons on that front. Like the Soviets have to keep the Norks from stealing and some private company that tagged along with the US almost causes a war by getting greedy and setting off quakes with their illegal drilling.
That would have been perfect. Actually having the US and the USSR have to broker some sort of peace deal between, hell, if you want it to be silly like season 3, North fucking Korea and someone.
Joel Kino-man would have been a damn fine space diplomat and I would have loved every second.
Alternatively, they could have taken the KGB thing to the logical extreme and we could have followed the induction, training, and eventual placement of a KGB astronaut in Jonestown for the USSR. That would have been cool as fuck, go full spy thriller for a season.
Would have been a hell of a season finale if we've been following a guy training for the mission for a whole season, really connected with him, and then right at the end he salutes the USSR flag and we get flashbacks to scenes that took place right before or after he's in contact with the motherland, lending a new perspective to all of them.
Hell, have that season also show a Cosmonaut training and having the same trajectory, highlighting the differences in the training you get since we haven't really seen the Cosmonaut side. So you think the whole season is about showing these two people who are going to the moon for their country and how similar yet different they are, but then in the finale you find out they're both going for the USSR.
Right?! It would have been fucking amazing, and really leaned into the Cold War thing. Could you fuckin' imagine Ed having a weird feeling about him on a mission, and through whatever happenstance catches them in the act of either sabotage, or relaying a message over to Svezda (sp? the russian base)
The Korean-fighting chad would have seen red and smashed his fucking teeth in
>I get it, it's the next logical step for space travel, but there's a lot of shit on the moon we could have been doing too.
Probably just advanced to mars for the same reason we stopped airing moon landings, novelty was gone, ratings expended. Advancing it to Mars kind of necessitates the time skip. But I agree, I could have done with a far slower series really digging into it.
>Hell, whatever counts for the EU in this alt reality
No anon. The Maastricht Treaty was about getting out from under the Americans as they were no longer needed with the dissolution of the Soviet Bloc. In this universe it growing stronger instead of failing and actually expanding.
I came for alt-apollo and kept having to sit through lesbians and married couple drama. I don't care about human interaction, I care about SPACEFLIGHT.
fuckin' bingo. I don't care about any of the shit going on at NASA apart from Aledas fat ass. Give me more of Gordo and Ed being space bros, fuckin' space pussy left and right
>I don't care about human interaction
*beep* *boop*
Sorry Incel, but the rest of Humanity does care.
So? I don't care what they think.
>admits he is an NPC
ISHYGDDT
>north korean flag
dangerously based
The Nork was the most interesting bit of the last season. Can't wait to see how they handle him being pissed at being abandoned by his country, while being embraced by the world as the first man on Mars.
I wonder if they'll bury the truth that they were there first, but still say that he arrived.
Makes both the USSR and the US look shit.
In fact, maybe that'll be what cools the cold war. Both parties having the same piece of blackmail over the other.
I don't think that blackmail would be quite equal though, because they wouldn't have been able to send that guy up without the USSR feeding North Korea tech. On the one hand the USSR could still claim some of the cred for the tech, on the other hand the US would be able to point to them and say they were part of the inhuman act of sending a man to die on Mars just to win the race, while the US was willing to lose the race to save their fellow man.
It suppose it all depends on who gets to make that call. The astronauts, politicians or military.
Buy Starfield.
>Buy
We need to support that small indie dev.
No, it's singleplayer only.
I might pirate it in 2+ years when everyone else has stopped talking about it, by then any bugs should be fixed.
This is what I do with most games now, lol. And as a bonus by the time it's actually gotten enough patches to be as finished as it should have been at release, the mod availability will be sweet. Can finally fuck in space.
Is it multiplayer? I have no interest in playing online games with people whatsoever.
>cares about spaceflight
>watches a dogshit feminist bull dyke show that shitsmears every single great astronaut who went to the moon along with the engineers and people who built the vehicles they went to moon with
You are levying my own complaint back at me like I didn't make that complaint first.
The point is that you still watch it like cattle.
(you)
There, you don't need to try any more
Honestly I really hated what they did to von Braun, almost dropped it there. But it was still decent even with the bullshit. Kind of sad to think how good it could have been without it entirely.
>shitsmears von Braun without ever going into operation Paperclip
>doesn't even bother giving the excuse the US uses that "we needed to keep the Russians from getting those scientists"
>doesn't go into why the US would shelter Nazis and give them immunity at all immediately after WWII
They didn't want normalfags looking into that stuff.
"wait this isn't made up for the show? N-nazi's??? In my l-land of the f-f-free?! Nooooooo we're perfect"
Not like the US gets some stellar portrayal in it anyway. I was surprised when they did the storyline with Margot, otherwise they made the Russians look fucking great for a while, nothing negative at all.
That whole shit with the KGB and Margot inadvertently handing them info instead of just telling Sergei was so fuckin stupid.
"Hey, I could get tried for high treason for telling you this, but you're a scientist and i'm trying to save your people's lives so it's a noble cause, but i'm not actually going to defend my actions whatsoever, i'm just going to roll over and accept my fate as a traitor"
I feel like in real life, a rational person would have attended a committee hearing and gone "Yeah, I told them about the O ring thing. If I hadn't, they would have died. They are not soldiers in the cold war up there, they're fellow scientists" or some bollocks. It just seemed so very contrived.
>I feel like in real life, a rational person would have attended a committee hearing and gone "Yeah, I told them about the O ring thing. If I hadn't, they would have died. They are not soldiers in the cold war up there, they're fellow scientists" or some bollocks.
You'd still get fucked in reality, secret clearance is secret clearance, they don't give a fuck why you gave out classified info to an "enemy nation". Margot had some hangup about being the first woman flight director and all too, so didn't want to "fuck it up for other women" or whatever.
Oh, i have no doubts that you'd get royally fucked, and probably even see the inside of a jail cell for it. But, I feel like they make quite a big thing about the general public not really hating the Soviets as much as the high command does.
They could easily have gone with the "leak the truth to the press, ease the tensions on the cold war by having whatshername Lesbian president pardon her for her actions and be all condescending and bitchy at the same time, because that's pretty much all her character ever fucking did" route.
God damn I forgot the lesbian became president. What a stupid fucking subplot.
I get that it's meant to be like "hey look how far humanity has come thanks to the space race not fizzling out, we've got a WOMAN as President?! AND SHE'S GAY?!
but it's just so fucking disengenous. The character never shows any desire for politics. I didn't mind it so much when she was an astronaut having to hide her deviances from NASA, but having a gay female president in the fuckin 80's is laughable.
That writing room must have left early for the day for coming up with that absolute gem.
>they make quite a big thing about the general public not really hating the Soviets as much as the high command does.
The US would have been way less willing to cooperate with the USSR in anything if they'd won the space race, no matter what the public opinion was, so that part of it was pretty accurate I think.
Lol I just started skipping through her scenes once she became president, could see how that plotline was going to go coming.
This show is just feminists in space right? Is it even worth watching?
First two seasons had fun alt history stuff, but it got bogged down by woke writing.
Funny, I almost dropped it in s1, but felt like it lightened up on it.
>oh yay a space race show!
>what's that? A female kosmonaut? NASA immediately training female astronauts for PR reasons?! REEEEE SAVE ME FROM THE COSMIC HORRORS moronMAN
>implying the female cosmonaut wasn't solely a Russian PR move
Watch it more closely.
AYE!
I'm still in the middle of the first season ovah here!!
ABANDON SPACE STATION, THERE'S A LEAK IN THE HULL
For any chinese cartoon viewers who also want to watch something spaceflight-related, I offer Tsuki no Laika, or "Irina the vampire cosmonaut".
It's a little story about a not-USSR using a not-gypsy girl as a test subject for Soyuz prior to putting a 'real' pilot on board. The series covers the planning, training and execution of the first manned flight, following main characters Irina and Lev. It's okay.
*sigh* Somehow Margo has returned.
Margo is best girl even when she makes stupid decisions.
Best woman was the pot-smoking hippie hardass who died of radiation poisoning.
Damn fuckin right. Molly Cobb was an actually well written, well rounded character. I even enjoyed some of the scenes with her beta husband
She felt like a real person, the president chick doesn't, she just feels like an allegorical agenda. Even before she was known as a lesbian in the show, she was off. Shallow.
And it isn't just about the fact she's the main gay character so gets all of the gay messages shoved through her mouth, the nigress feels like a real person too, even though half the time that's all she's doing but for the black issues.
The nigress actually has some foibles though, she's proven wrong a few times. She makes poor decisions. Lesbian President just falls upwards and upwards. She never makes a wrong move. It's just shittily written. I could probably have gotten behind the concept if it had been done a little slower, and showed more of the difficulties of having a Woman run for president in the fucking 80's
but I don't fucking need this in my SPACE SHOW
>She never makes a wrong move
she literally admitted to being a lesbian on live tv, she's done for
yeah but that's right at the fuckin' end of it all. She's made it to President. She fuckin won, lets be fair. Nowhere else to go from there.
I dunno, I just feel like they fucked her character up a lot. I enjoyed the stuff where she was running Military NASA and having to lie/not tell Margot stuff while in Mission Control. That really played to her strengths. I just can't see a world where her character becoming president makes logical sense.
yeah it kinda came unexpectedly and didnt make a lot of sense, but I didnt mind her storyline that much
she's the sellout who develops second thoughts. I hope they have at least the balls to show her crash and burn in the 96 election and stay a one termer
>yfw she runs as a Republican again and causes the parties to flip again when all the other Republicans abandon ship, making the Democrats the conservatives in their timeline
Never happen, they play way too comfortably from the leftist perspective so they won't touch the dems.
>yfw the US actually stops being a two-party state because there's enough defectors to create an entirely new party, causing a fracturing that allows smaller and more varied political parties to be viable
>yfw this allows the USSR to leap ahead politically
i guess given the involvement of women in the space program we are meant to accept that society is just less sexist so its easier for her to advance, but it makes it jarring when they have progressive attitudes to women paired with con attitudes to gays (and especially lesbians, i mean have conservatives ever given a fuck about lesbians lmao?)
>it makes it jarring when they have progressive attitudes to women paired with con attitudes to gays
They play it like the USSR forced their hand with the women. The don't ask don't tell shit really did happen around that time, but it was Clinton that introduced that. So the attitudes about gays wouldn't really have changed, nothing happened to "make them".
>i mean have conservatives ever given a fuck about lesbians lmao?
Fun fact: back when men would be hanged for homosexual acts there were lesbian women living with each other without worry. Because conservatives have truly never given a fuck about them except to seethe about the hot ones not having sex with them.
>the first time he's over at the house with all the other wives for the launch
Hell, I even enjoyed the reactions between him and Ed's wife (who's name escapes me because she was trash) when she caught him smoking weed. That was an enjoyable little thing, and the fact they became friends because of it was actually somewhat believable.
I can't imagine there's much more stressful in life than watching your loved one go to fucking Space, so having a joint or two to get through it is absolutely believeable.
I honestly think I'd handle being on the rocket better than sitting around waiting to hear if they're dead like the wives. Based on how calm I was when I went skydiving, versus waiting by a phone to hear some news.
Literally had the exact same experience. Being the guy putting yourself at risk is a fucking breeze. Watching my Brother skydive was fucking terrifying. Bizarre.
Yeah, I liked her a lot. She had balls.
this was so fucking stupid, she should have been McVeigh'd and it should have been an FBI sting gone bad just like IRL
It's way too convenient that she just happened to choose not only exactly that day but literally right before the bombing to flee to Russia.
You'd think they'd have a better crewed vehicle than the LEM after having set up a surface base. The LEM was a single-use tin can coated in gold foil, hell the one Armstrong piloted down almost ran out of fuel before landing.
They should have stuck to the 60s and early 70s at most.
gross
This. Using historical events as a backdrop the show was pretty decent. As soon as they had to start making shit up on their own it turned into mid tier 90's television sci fi shit.
You can't get rid of Kinoman
Really she just wanted to fuck Sergei and that was the entire problem, that would have fucked her with trying to justify leaking classified info as well.
More like Joel Kinoman saving the show.
>Joel Kinnaman's character is still alive
There's no reason to watch when he's gone anyway.
Give me some recs for other "hard sci-fi" stuff that takes place in the 60-80s. I loved that whole look coupled with the tech being slightly more advanced and everything being slightly different. Not so interesting now that things are getting the modern sci-fi look.
I don't know too many, but I think the term you'd want to search for is NASApunk. It kinda encapsulates the whole "what if we didn't stop going to space" thing.
The book "Project Hail Mary" is pretty good. It's written by the same guy who wrote The Martian.
>search for NASApunk
>just a bunch of ads for Starfield
well fuck
There's this thing called "Eyes turned upwards" but it's not a show or anything, just a collaborative internet project by a bunch of nerds. It's essentially the original pitch of For All Mankind: what if development in spaceflight hadn't stalled after Apollo? There's tons of technical specifications and flight plans for the speculative missions over a long timeline, utilizing unrealized concepts like Orion drive ships and Sea Dragon.
I've never been able to ever get into it, but it's a thing that exists.
I'll also mention BBC's "Voyage to the Planets", a quasi-documentary on a fictional manned mission to all the planets in one big round trip over 7+ years. Some of the tech is hand-wavy but it's fun to watch. Last time I checked it was on YT still in two parts, like 45 minutes each or so. Pic related, they send an astronaut down to Io with a personal magnetosphere in the suit, giving her an aurora while she's getting belted with dickloads of radiation.
>"Eyes turned upwards"
Sorry, "Eyes turned Skyward"
https://www.alternatehistory.com/wiki/doku.php?id=timelines:eyes_turned_skyward
HI BOB
HI BOB
>tfw you'll never get to spend months in a cozy space-station watching comfy sitcoms on repeat and get labelled a hero for it
You'll also never get to literally lose your mind from the fact you haven't taken a breath of fresh air in 6 months, haven't showered properly in that amount of time either, and your wife is leaving you.
ngl i'd happily go to Jonestown once the entire colony was up and running, but being one of the first 3? Get to fuuuuuuuuck
>lose your mind from the fact you haven't taken a breath of fresh air in 6 months, haven't showered properly in that amount of time either
WhereDoYouThinkYouAre.jpg.exe
valid point however I can open a window while sat at my PC for 16 hours at a time
Fair, but having to bury your bro who didn't survive the landing? That'd suck.
Speaking of the Nork, I actually really enjoyed all the little news snippets about the North Korean "missile" launches throughout the season. It was some actually decent foreshadowing.
>but being one of the first 3
I'd be perfectly content in the Nork pilot's shoes, all I want out of a trip into space is utter solitude the likes of which man has never known.
i just wanna see margo getting the big soviet cock
But Sergei fled to the US
I have this bad feeling they kept her alive and sent her to the USSR to do some preaching about [CURRENT UKRAINE ISSUES]
Probably why they even started saying jack shit negative about Russia in the show, they didn't at all the first 2 seasons.
>But Sergei fled to the US
she will find a new one
she hungers for it like siberian peasant
>saying jack shit negative about Russia in the show
did you miss the episodes where they kill several people jamestown and threatened to nuke the southern US?
they are clearly the antagonist in this show from the very beginning
>where they kill several people jamestown and threatened to nuke the southern US?
Because Kinoman kidnapped their cosmonaut? Because he misinterpreted their condolences about his son's death, because nobody at NASA would tell him? They were portrayed as mostly blameless in all that. The shit with Sergei and Margot is the first "unjustified" shit the Russians are shown as doing.
I think he meant the whole "shooting up Jamestown to get someone back who wanted to defect" thing, rather than the other event
>Because Kinoman kidnapped their cosmonaut?
I'm remembering it wrong, that guy defected after getting shot by an astronaut
Yeah, just realized, lol
so the russians were in fact the bad guys in season 2 when they tried to deny one of their guys asylum in the US, killed several americans at jamestown and almost made the nuclear reactor explode by accident?
>when they tried to deny one of their guys asylum in the US
The guy that defected was only in the position to be able to defect at all because him and his buddy got shot by astronauts. The other guy died. And this is after Kinoman kidnapped the one guy already previously and was wrecking their cameras and shit. They're given every excuse and the NASA characters even spell out their excuses for them, they didn't believe the guy wanted to defect and it came off like bullshit.
Didn't he destroy their cameras because they were destroying NASA's cameras and shit? Plus, they stole the mining site. I don't think the USSR come off as completely guilt free in the whole thing.
>Didn't he destroy their cameras because they were destroying NASA's cameras and shit?
iirc he did it after their condolences about his son, before he knew his son was actually dead.
>I don't think the USSR come off as completely guilt free in the whole thing.
The show gives them all of their excuses with all of that stuff, nothing is ever really shown from the Russian perspective, the guy Kinoman kidnaps for a while comes off totally likable. Anything negative SAID by any of the characters about the Russians is delivered pretty hillbillyish, while also giving them logical, buyable excuses for whatever they do. Lol right up until the Margot-Sergei thing.
It's like they didn't want to portray them negatively at all, but Ukraine kicked off during the run of the show, so they started working it in there. Probably to have Margot or characters around her preaching around it next season.
Oh, you absolutely know there's gonna be a Ukraine parallel. It'll probably be the war in Afghanistan or something like that. Some shit like Lesbian Pres funds the mujahadeen.
Oooh, I wonder what would happen in the SENPAI universe when 9/11 happens.
Would the USSR even bother with a proxy war in Afghanistan when they're busy winning the space race? I could see them not wanting to waste resources, so nobody gets involved in Afghanistan and then the dominoes fall until 9/11 never happens, being another point where the show tells us how much better things would have been if we focused on the space race.
True.
Oh, speaking of the whole
>how much better things would have been if we focused on the space race
thing, I really enjoy the alternative history news stuff they made for the show.
These things are so good.
I really got a kick out of the repeated news cameos from Lennon.
>Roman Polanski was arrested at the Canadian Border
>mfw Polanski actually got punished for raping a kid in their universe
>mfw no Polanski movie after the 70s exist in their universe
For All Mankind intro even mentioned John Paul II was killed and Polish Solidarity movement crushed.
It helped Soviets remain stable.
the show is already in 94, so afghanistan didnt happen because they dont mention it
oh shit you're right, i just rewatched the vid i posted here and it's right there at 1.19, just for the reasons you said
I honestly didn't remember that they had a news segment about it. It must have just been rolling around in my head, like so many real-life facts I wouldn't be able to provide sources for.
soviet russia is the real superpower, some chechens will blow up the kremlin or something
>instead of a United 93 situation where some fighter jets were ready to ram it if it approached DC but the passengers became the patriotic heroes you just have the soviets using surface-to-air missiles on any plane outside their flight path as soon as the first hit is confirmed
>including one that wasn't hijacked, it just flew over Russian airspace
>you just have the soviets using surface-to-air missile
Lol that IS what took down flight 93
They wouldn't have been able to hide that expenditure and all the people required to do the launch. It was a hothead kamikaze pilot ramming the plane and then it got hushed up because they didn't want to deal with the trouble of making the US pilot a hero for flying his plane into something that kills civilians while telling everyone that the Jihadis are evil for doing the same thing.
>and then the dominoes fall until 9/11 never happen
It can happen to the Soviets, uprising crushed in Soviet Poland l, disgruntled Soviet cosmonaut of Polish descent onboard nuclear shuttle hijacks it and crashes it over Moscow as sign of defiance.
They're not going to touch 9/11, they already skipped past it to 2003.
>I have this bad feeling they kept her alive and sent her to the USSR to do some preaching about [CURRENT UKRAINE ISSUES]
Anpn realistically they have to deal sooner or later with Poland, Balts,Ukrainians,Hungarians and Czechs wanting out of Soviet rule.
A nationalistic uprising in Central Europe against Soviet Union is an inevitability, especially since even in this timeline Soviets are struggling economically.
Who knows if there would have been an uprising like that without the USSR financially collapsing. It's not doing that in the show at least thus far. And they only have so many episodes per season, as much as I love alt history shit this is supposed to be focused on the space exploration aspects of that, everything else they do that isn't some conversational comment or tv news snippet takes away from the space shit.
The last season was already starting to shoehorn in excuses to do the little woke sideplots they wanted in there, like the astronaut announcing he was gay to segue into the lesbian president having to address the US gays issues, because otherwise there was zero reason for that to happen in the show, it would have been clearly and obviously forced.
>show specifically about how the US got outplayed by the soviets in technological and societal prestige and has to do some soul searching and come back from a state of defeat with new ideas
>WHY ARE THERE SOCIAL ISSUES BROUGHT UP IN THIS SHOW???
What did being gay have to do with space? WHat do gay rights issues have to do with fucking space?
Nothing.
Lol they don't even focus on BLACK issues nearly as much as the gay rights shit, and you'd expect them to lean on that far harder.
watch
again. the soviets are for some magic reason clearly a lot better off economically than in our time.
if gorbachev did in fact loosen political restrictions a bit and the people in eastern europe enjoyed a rising standard of living, theres no reason to assume the soviets would just collapse anytime soon
Soviets were hated by Poles and West Ukrainians, they could build them gold palaces and Poles would still hate Soviets and try to get out. Their resentment wasn't based on economy but on nationalism and cultural resistance to Russia be it Soviet or Tsarists
they said he's doing 6 seasons so hell have plot aarmor til then
Last season (if present time jumps are anything to go by) will just be Kino-man in a Mr. House cosplay. Just a shrivelled corpse and a monitor.
And still he'll have more charisma than any other character.
>implying they won't discover revitalising rays on Mars and he'll go through the ageing make-up backwards for a season, allowing him to live long enough to become the first man to leave the galaxy to seed the stars
Ed becomes first guy to fuck an ayy lmao
(we all fucking know the last season is gonna deal with the discovery of aliens. Probably on like, Europa or some shit)
feel like this show went off the rails a while ago
It's humankind now, chud
And in the show Jamestown only went into meltdown mode because of the secret military alterations to the reactor that NASA nor the Russians even knew about, lol.
>For All Mankind season 17 is just The Expanse season 1
The fuck. I typed the acronym for For All Mankind, but apparently /misc/ has word filters still?
God I miss PUDDI
Been there for years, roodypoo
I guess i've gotten lucky over the years and not typed anything that it catches. That, or I just haven't noticed.
lol they'll never get rid of the wordfilters, the same ones have been on the site for like a fucking decade practically.
I always get fucked over when I want to talk about onions green and type it out properly.
Skipped past the fallout of the lesbian president's thing for that matter, lol.
FOR ALL MANKINO
Would smoke work like that on Mars, with very little atmosphere?
Not to derive from the fact he looks fuckin' baller
>very little atmosphere?
It's not nearly as little as the moon's, it has massive dust storms and shit, in reality.
Oh I know it does, but it's still a super thin atmosphere. Like, the mega storms that hit the surface would, by all accounts, barely be perceptible by an astronaut stood on the surface.
It's not like in The Martian where it'd tip the lander, and they all panic
I think it would dissipate quickly? I'm not sure now that you mention it, there are some wispy clouds on Mars that manage to remain coherent so maybe smoke would act the same. The big thing would be there's not enough O2 for fire to smolder, but if the smoke built up inside the oxygenated capsule before the door was opened then it'd probably all billow out.
>planetes
while watching Gundam a thumbnail of Planetes came up. Is it any good? Seems a little too hard-scifi'ey for my taste but it looks interesting.
god i fucking love hard sci-fi. I can't really get into shows that are just like "haha we go fast but don't have to worry about physics cause fuck you suspend your disbelief"
It took me a while to get into The Expanse, just cause it seemed so unlikely. But, the more reading into it, and the epstein (lol) drive being just super fuckin efficient, it kinda makes a bit more sense.
Oh, if anyone here hasn't watched The Expanse, take this as your sign to watch it. At least until the last season which is a little weaker than the rest but somewhat good.
>At least until the last season which is a little weaker than the rest but somewhat good.
For all their flaws those last 2 seasons have the most kino space dogfights anyone has made, fight me.
Oh, big time. The actual space shit is always excellent in the show, the stuff planetside is always what lets it down.
That is, with the exception of Peaches and Amos. That's a chad storyline
It's kind of a "slice of life in space" sorta thing, where the setting and realism is the draw moreso than the characters (at least to me). It's pretty good though, it's just about life in low earth orbit and the normalized nature of what's still sci-fi to us today.
Also on thread topic, but not anime
Dunno, but they probably just adjusted the 3D smoke simulation to martian values, and some of these fires don't require oxygen to burn.
even Kusnetzov can appreciate how based Kinoman is
Never seen this but I'm willing to bet there is many a Black and woman shown as being strong, capable and fiercely intelligent.
Honestly it's about 50-60% good alt history space race kino and 40-50% woke subplots, varies. But Kinoman and that 50-60% are good enough to make the other shit tolerable/skippable.
at least most of the women in the show feel like real people. and molly cobb is kino when she roasts nixon on live tv
There absolutely are that, but it kinda makes sense in context? The first season basically kicks off with the Soviets winning the space race, getting to the moon first, and then coming back to kick America in the teeth by also having the first female in Space.
So, America goes "SHIT SON WE GOTTA WIN SOME PR POINTS ITS ALL ABOUT THE RACE FOR A BASE NOW ALSO WE KNOW WHAT WOMEN ARE, LOOK WE'VE GOT THIS BUNCH OF BITCHES"
>well at least we still got seg-
>ARE YOU CRAZY!? WE CAN FINALLY BEAT THOSE DAMN RUSSKIES AT SOMETHING! WE NEED THE FIRST Black IN SPACE DAMMIT! IMAGINE HOW BAD IT WOULD LOOK IF THEY MANAGED TO GET ONE UP THERE BEFORE US!
>The first season basically kicks off with the Soviets winning the space race
So real life then? They did win it. They achieved every milestone first except the moon.
Not disagreeing with you in the slightest here. But in the show they win the Moon bit too. It kinda fucks with the US even more than you'd imagine.
look at these atomic engines. we've lost so much time. where did it all go wrong?
The US Army took hold of the Orion Project pitch and spooked the shit out of JFK so much he said "fuck that, never do that"
Holy shit, that battleship looks neat.
Why didn't the ruskies come up with nuclear engines?
They got the designs from Margot, that's a big ol' plot point of the season. She's basically giving them the tech specs because she's scared of more astronauts dying if the Russians continue making using their shit, falling apart stuff.
The USSR just kind of gave up after the US won the race. Too expensive and the prestige bonus was no longer available. Plus they spent themselves into a hole with it as it was already.
Reminder that they designed, built and flew the Buran simply because they saw us building the Shuttle. It's a good knockoff too, they flew it entirely unmanned and it worked fine.
Wasn't the Buran better in some respects, as to it's capabilities and cargo capacity?
I admit, I don't know as much about the Russian space program as I would like. I suppose being Western I was always drawn to Apollo and the Shuttle.
I don't know about cargo, but flying autonomously was something the Shuttle couldn't do that Buran could. Still they only flew it once then the country collapsed.
>The only problem I see is getting the hazardous materials into space first.
Reopen Woomera, if you have a failure on the pad it's not like you ruined the Florida coastline.
Have you seen the urban exploring vids on youtube of the guy who finds the warehouse that it's stored in?
It's legitimately sad to see something that belongs either on the pad or in orbit just rotting and rusting to pieces in a leaking building.
Yeah one of the Burans got spraypainted up a couple years back, a real shame. There's a complete one in Kazakhstan I think, in some private collector's possession. I thought I heard recently that Russia asked for it back and was told flatly to piss off.
I had no idea about that! That's fuckin cool. Do you have any links to some pictures of that?
?t=2041
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/kazakh-entrepreneur-seeks-to-trade-soviet-shuttle-for-historic-skull/
It's a little older than I'd thought, but here's an article. I guess it's the same Buran, there's just a guy claiming he owns the place now.
>original Orion pitch: "We can use nuclear bomb tech in a really useful way, we can be out to Saturn in six months! This will open up the solar system!"
>US Army-modified Orion pitch: "Orbital battleships, armed with hundreds of MIRVs ready to rain nuclear holocaust down on the Soviets at a moment's notice, and they can't do shit about it."
42 days to Mars sounds nice. A shame the tech was abandoned. The only problem I see is getting the hazardous materials into space first.
That's why Sea Dragon was launched out in the middle of the fuckin' ocean though. We could ABSOLUTELY get radioactive materials into space safely.
Couldn't you just ship the hazardous materials in a really really secure strongbox to the moon and build the stuff there? Like, build it to eject the strongbox if anything goes wrong, with shielding built to protect it from any explosion. If it explodes on the moon then that's their problem.
The issue with radioactive payloads is always the potential for a catastrophic failure that ends up irradiating the people. Wind could pick up the particulates as well and end up irradiating massive areas.
Sea Dragon was intended to carry Plutonium? I think? For the nuclear engines that NASA intended to build, but it would have launched basically as far away from anything as possible. That's why it was designed to launch from the ocean.
It can be done and has been done regularly. A couple of Mars rovers have tiny nuclear reactors on board, but for interplanetary travel they would need actual nuclear bombs, which are outlawed in space for now.
USA basically chose to invest in black people instead of space.
This show must have a passionate fanbase to keep getting renewed. Congrats and hope you get a movie.
A movie would probably suck, the thing that makes the show so good is it has enough time to get its wokeness out of the way and let the good space shit breathe. They'd probably make the movie 70%+ woke since time crunch. It's clear they really give a shit about getting that shit in there.
>tfw you won't live long enough to witness this
This kind of shit on its own makes the wokeness tolerable
damnit, why did we have to give up on space
What are the advantages of launching from water?
Less nuclear fallout if it goes kabloom
Noise protection, Sea Dragon would blow out windows 20 miles away if you launched it from land.
You know what's really sad about the whole "what if" that this entire show bases itself on?
I remember reading somewhere online on what would happen if Congress fucked up when doing the budget, and for ONE year, the military and NASA got their budgets flipped.
The military by all accounts would be fine. They'd mothball a few programs for 12 months, and start it back up. NASA on the other hand would be funded for something like 50 years. Doing everything that they could ever fucking want to do.
Can you imagine that? A world in which scientific exploration and research came first? For ONE fucking year?!
I'll see if I can dig the source out, standby, lads.
https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/2xof3p/if_nasa_had_the_us_militarys_annual_budget_what/
here we go, lads. I know it's reddit, and therefore shit, but it's an interesting read nonetheless
>The military by all accounts would be fine. They'd mothball a few programs for 12 months,
friendly reminder that the resulting order, transportation and production stops would put millions of people out of work and NASA doesnt nearly have enough infrastructure to use all that money and jobless people on a moments notice. this would crash the economy harder than '08
The big point is more that they wouldn't try and spend it all at once. They'd save it and spend it carefully, but also have the option to be a bit frivolous with the spending. You know, investing in things that are a bit of a long-shot. Stuff that might not pan out, but are still good scientific data.
the big point is that you have no idea about government program spending. funding would be used on pointless shit and vanity projects just like they do in the military.
Oh, i'm sure. But even if we say 50% of the budget would get pissed up against a wall, the amount of GOOD that a massive cash injection could do can't be understated. It would be so nice.
the other 50% would go right into some government wagies funkopop collection.
no good comes from government programs.
In the last season they just fully left the alternate history genre and went straight into science fiction. The show now just feels like a technocrat wet dream where humanity could have solved all our problems if smart people could make the right gadgets.
>solved all our problems if smart people could make the right gadgets.
and this is wrong because?
A lot of stuff on the show obviously isn't feasible today or probably even this century. Also the technology to solve climate change for example (i.e. electric motors, public transport) has existed for a long time but that didn't solve the problem because of economic and political considerations.
Anon, the way to solve climate change is to kill all the pajeets and most of the chinks.
It's pretty rich for the west to say this after a century of creating the problem. This time we're in now may end up being remembered as the peak of living standards, the fact that everyone else now wants to live like us is our fault.
The west raised more people out of abject poverty than at any other time in history. The only solutions to "global boiling" are coming from the west, embraced by the west, and resisted by subhumans.
conspiracy theory: it takes a long, long fucking time for the sun to expand into a red giant, billions of years, and it's already started, but this is being obfuscated since the only people who can tell are the ones measuring the sun over years and years.
>The west raised more people out of abject poverty than at any other time in history
Actually it was China
the chinese aren't people
> the technology to solve climate change
You cant solve weather, my friend.
You can fix it though, start by terraforming Australia and Arizona so regular humans can live there
I stopped watching after the Mars landing, it was handled so horribly. Edward not being the first to land, and then when Russia/the U.S. does land they have them fall over each other in some Marvel-tier meme. Does it get better afterwards?
there should be more than a shitty rover on Mars by now
we've failed von Braun
god this motherfucking cunt.
SPACE ISN'T REAL MUM AND DAD WERE KILLED ON THE MOON CAUSE THEY JUST WERE OKAY
However, you'd think that Ed of all people would have gone to the pair of the kids and been "yeah, they died, but they died cause of this shit, just don't fuckin tell anyone"
Jimmy was ass drunk from that schizo girl, no amount of tough love from Ed couldve saved him
he was right though, his mom and dad were killed because they knew about the nuclear weapons on the moon.
>flies to space
>doesn't tell you why
>stays there hundreds of days at a time
>returns without fanfare
What's he doin' up there
Considering how good declassified spy pics from the 90's are, i'd fucking love to see how good spy satellites are nowadays. I'd be surprised if they couldn't track an individual down to the fuckin bald patch on their head like in the movies
I started watching Season 1. Stopped watching when they implied women had any meaningful contributions whatsoever. So I made it like 5 minutes into episode 1.
Pussy. Imagine being a grown man unable to tolerate images and words on a screen for more than 5 minutes to get to the kino.
Why are there so many babyfied pussies on this board.
>oh NOOOOOO I'm getting BRAINWASHED
If you can get brainwashed by media like this then brainwashing is the least of your issues by far.
You sound brainwashed
You sound like you're (You) baiting
>Verification not required
I hope China fucks everyone and uses an Orion Drive launch from Earth straight to Jupiter.
Since Soviet Union still exists they should have a plot about Eastern Europeans may e Poles or Ukrainian pilots hijacking a nuclear Soviet shuttle and crashing it over Moscow.
>Ukranians being terrorists
Yeah, that's not this show, they have a very clear alignment and they stick to it.
I hope they try and have a catastrophic failure on the pad, irradiating the countryside.
Tang orange is a natural smoke color, right? I'm sure it's fine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsymmetrical_dimethylhydrazine
No lol
At least it wasn't the symmetrical kind, would have been far worse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetrical_dimethylhydrazine
They're both pretty bad but yeah, you ain't wrong anon
Thank you for accidentally making me feel smarter than I am, anon
I tried watching this show but after a couple episodes it felt like a shitty Muh family relationship drama with space as a background, rather than a show about space travel and exploration and shit. Does it get better bros?
It does. It only gets so much better, but it gets better enough.
It stays at the same level.
90% bullshit with 10% alternative timeline sci-fi.
>90% bullshit with 10% alternative timeline sci-fi.
Nah, it hovers at around 40%/60% at its best. Some individual episodes are 80-90% kino.
>Nah, it hovers at around 40%/60% at its best
No, because a lot of that is just pure retard drama in space.
You're still overestimating but everything is better in space.
s1-2 relationship drama at least felt plausible for the most part. s3 is where it starts to get annoying with the president announcing on tv that she likes hot steamy gay sex
I love it when the negress call the fag out on it too
>at least you can hide being gay
MUSIC CUE: Starman by David Bowie
I'm preparing for the music to go off of a cliff since they're in the 2000s now.
I can't wait for Ed's obligatory riding on top of the mars rover to the sk8r boy.
>character gets sick
>OOOO-A-A-A-A
>Timelapse of colony expanding
Almost works.
This will play when danny finally tells Ed he fucked his wife:
I'm hoping for an alternate timeline rendition of this, where the Guardians are changed to the ones who died in their timeline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcSeasJ4Lzg
New spacesuits are pretty Cinemaphile.
Is this current (alternate) year? I wonder who runs America in this show in 2023. Two lesbian Sioux?
2003 if they follow the pattern of naming the next season's year/decade in the last episode of the previous season.
But they ended in 97 and Kinoman looked still fresh. It can't be 2003 in the OP
Lol they really did a terrible makeup job last season didn't they
He should have looked older and spent the whole movie taking testosterone shots to keep his vigour. He simply hit the wall between seasons.
> The year is now 2003
Whoops they say that in the teaser? Why does Kinoman look so old?
His wife was supposed to be in her 50's or so last season and they just stuck a grey streak in her hair and called it a day.
old people makeup and masks are a pain in the ass to do and generally look bad, especially if its for more than one static scene. they were never gonna put the main characters through all that hassle.
at least Kinoman tried by acting old man mannerisms
I'm not very good at seeing people's ages so they actually managed to make me doubt the ages of the characters. Like I started thinking that he must be WAY older than his wife and I just didn't notice it earlier, and so he was hitting his old age at 60 since he lived a rough life while she's cruising at 39 with a facelift.
it's what getting pussystarved on mars does to a mf
steroid abuse.
> Exiles you to a crashed North Korean space capsule.
Good, the blueberry outfit from last season made me want to vomit.
Looks like an MIT style skintight pressure wrap with an overall and torso load carrier for life support systems.
I wonder if they discovered life on Mars in the show.
I like the boots in this. Real exploration can only begin when the clunky shit has been replaced by state of the art spacewear.
probably not, they wouldnt use the water for the colony if they did
>I wonder if they discovered life on Mars in the show.
There was that thing with the Asian daughter possibly finding something in the Mars water in S03.
I hope she didn't eat it
i love watching you chuds and incels seethe at this show while being unable to stop yourselves from watching it
haha
Here (You) go buddy, take it, I won't bite
Nobody's seething tho.
right on cue
You win again by saying you won
>Works, every time
Why are women such whores?
>her character's name is literally Karen
NOW I feel stupid, her plotlines make total sense now
How contrived
FYI buddy, this is the guy you want to talk to, the people seething like that, as opposed to simply commentating on it, don't watch this show
Spin-off show about the Russian side of the story, with lots more spy stuff and people getting disappeared instead of the family drama in the show. Yay or nay? Would knowing the outcome from the US side make it too boring?
"Rocketing into the new millennium in the eight years since Season 3, Happy Valley has rapidly expanded its footprint on Mars by turning former foes into partners. Now 2003, the focus of the space program has turned to the capture and mining of extremely valuable, mineral-rich asteroids that could change the future of both Earth and Mars. But simmering tensions between the residents of the now-sprawling international base threaten to undo everything they are working towards."
BTW -- the DVD/Blurays for the earlier seasons are finally being released. S01 and S02 are out. S03 in October.
Oh boy another ten minutes of cool space stuff randomly distributed in 9 hours 50 minutes of woman/minority drama
most polite space enjoyers
Fuck. Yes.
>mfw the BLACK HOLE SUN season 3 finale
Television literally peaked there.
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Why can’t they just make a cool show about space and space related drama and shot, why can’t these idiots help themselves and keep from making it a pedestrian relationships drama that happens in space. Many such cases. The expanse did this shit also and I hate it. I don’t want to watch fucking greys anatomy in space reeeeeeeeeeeeee