Four more movies. First two are done, last two are currently filming. How in the frick is all this supposed to turn a profit? I didn't want an Avatar sequel. I wanted fun shit like True Lies and Aliens. Is this how Cameron joins the elite club with Lucas and Ridley Scott?
How do you know none of them will be fun?
They're Avatar movies.
imagine being a respected figured head in Hollywood with having tons of connection and money and you'll wasting it all on blue space cats franchise
I genuinely think James Cameron has gone insane with this shit, I literally don't know a single person who has seen Avatar let alone liked it.
The truth is those people you asked did see it, they just don't remember that they did
Speak only for yourself, zoomer. EVERYONE *I* knew went to see it, back in the day.
Everyone! Some even multiple times.
> even multiple times.
I remember that. It was like "It's supposed to be so good but I didn't really feel it. I guess I 'watched wrong'. I suppose I should try again?" The hype actually made people feel in error for not liking it. You'd think we'd have learned after phantom menace that big expectation movies can be not that good
>I remember that.
But you seem to remember it wrong. People genuinely liked it. And were depressed that they didn't get to live on Pandora.
I think there's lots of things that made it click with audiences. The scifi aspect for guys, the love story for gals, and the fantasy element for anyone nostalgic for simpler or "more magical" times.
>repeating the
> And were depressed that they didn't get to live on Pandora.
>meme
yeah you sound like you definitely have first-hand experience of that time clearly in memory and aren't just hazily conflating your memories with years later clickbait fake stories
>years later
Are you claiming those articles didn't coexist with the movie? Because they did - and you can probably still find them on the Internet Archive, if you dig hard enough.
>implying you can't still find the shill media hype for every movie
In 20 years you'll still be able to find articles about Depression Quest and The Last of Us 2. Way to make yourself look moronic homosexual. Maybe in 20 years a homosexual like you will actually believe RAID Shadow Legends was the greatest game ever because all the Youtubers were talking about it.
I honestly don't even understand what you are trying to say. But whatever, have it your way.
moron homosexual.
Wow, it's like I'm psychic.
Thanks for proving my point homo.
>People genuinely liked it. And were depressed that they didn't get to live on Pandora.
I knew a few people like this. Most moved on or visit the disney Pandora but two killed themselves. I wonder how many avatarbros we lost waiting for Avatar 2 to come out 🙁
I remember everyone seeing it, too. I thought it was a good movie and I’ve even watched it again two or three times, but I do agree I think it got hyped beyond what it was. The CGI was really impressive for the time period, we’ve maybe just been spoiled recently in that regard.
>The CGI was really impressive for the time period
Yes, and it was also one of the first big 3D movies, so the tech was still new and exciting.
That was not at all the initial response of original, repeat viewers. They had no confusion at all over the fact that they'd enjoyed what they'd watched, and that they wanted to watch it again, regardless of how good or bad it actually was. It was variously called "Avatar Withdrawal Syndrome" and related phrases, and the phenomenon was well-documented. It was largely bound up with the 3D format, and the experience of watching the film was clearly drug-like in certain respects. Released during a recession, the film's narrative strongly implies leaving this shitty world behind in favor of a beautiful jungle, and this made it very easy for male audience members to self-insert in another instance of the "going native" narrative. It functioned as pure escapist entertainment, and viewers happily overlooked the cheesy, forgettable dialogue. If the studio is smart, they'll time the second one to release when the economy is especially bad, which seems likely.
You can complain about taste all you want (and perhaps with good reason), but the above is the historical reality of audiences' initial enjoyment of the film, and those very repeat viewings drove the sales record. People didn't go a second and a third time because they were "confused" and they felt obligated to try again. There was nothing to be confused about! They went a second, a third, a fifth time because they liked the 3D visuals and they wanted to escape their modern shitty lives again, for a time.
>they liked the 3D visuals and they wanted to escape
Well put. I wonder where the poster got the notion that people were "confused"? Or could that be, how the Marvel movies got so big? Because THOSE were definitely overrated and people were clearly "pressured" to like them, or face weird backlash from all the MCU loving normies.
He clearly has in mind a certain cultural understanding of the release of the Phantom Menace (which was a major cultural event), and so he lazily grafted those concepts onto the Avatar release, an attempt which doesn't stand up under scrutiny.
Episode I was SUCH a big deal that it's quite plausible that fans who didn't care for the boring trade/political stuff (or the film itself, in the final analysis) might have felt the "obligation" to try again another time or two, suggested in the earlier idea. Such repeat viewings might also have functioned as social events, regardless of viewers' private feelings about the new and fricking terrible, but that's just me work with which they had been confronted. It's also worth noting that it was 1999, and Phantom Menace was one of the last great "Universal" mass media cultural events, before the internet had splintered everyone off into their diverse "communities".
>Episode I was SUCH a big deal
Yeah, I can see your point. To this day Episode One remains the most hyped up movie event I've ever witnessed. I was absolutely massive, with toys and merch being sold out before the movie even came out.
I kinda miss the optimism people had back then. Nowadays there's lots of cynics and nay-sayers related to many fandoms, even if some fans remain as rabid as ever.
All of the people who fell into that were left wingers responding to the "humans are evil, join the free natural tribe of hypotheticals and frick humanity" theme
I'm curious to see how that shit will play out in a country that responded so well to Tom Cruise's Top Gun USA!USA!USA! jingoism
It feels like we just made a turn like the one from 70's auteur films with dark, negative themes to the 80's Chuck Norris Michael J Fox era where people want positive pro American frick the commies fare again
I take you to be the earlier poster
who badly misread the actual historical release of the flick, because you weren't there at the time. If this is correct, it's okay, I used to be a teenager and I used to write stupid theories too, it's how we all learn. When I was a kid, after I'd learned a little bit of history I told the local comic book guy my theory about how the original Star Wars film was a bit like World War I, and how Return of the Jedi was more like World War II. He just nodded politely. That's how you sound right now, because you're patching cultural ideas into contexts where they don't really fit.
You might actually have something with the suggested politics of the repeat Avatar viewer, but your attempt to connect this with the recent Top Gun sequel falls flat-sort of. You have a healthy suspicion of how the next Avatar flicks will do commercially, citing the excellent performance of the Top Gun sequel as evidence that audiences desperately crave non-pandering, "non-woke" pure entertainment. They do. The thing is, the original Avatar film delivered pure entertainment in the first place, with the environmental themes being secondary. Part of this is that it was technically an "original" story (though obviously a variation on the going native theme). They weren't taking a shit on Ghostbusters or some Disney property by forcing some previously-white character to be black, the darkies in that particular film were original, "authentic", non-pandering darkies.
You want to pretend that the Top Gun sequel marks a turning point from a social malaise into a new optimism, just as the post-Vietnam Carter 1970s eventually became the glorious Reagan 1980s (the original Star Wars was beloved because it told a happy story, opposite all the pessimistic sci-fi of the period). I really wish that this could be true. But the sad reality is, that's not how it's going, and there's not much reason to hope for a "rebirth" along those lines.
here's another guy quoting the funny news stories as if it was his own real experience lol. Wow, man did you really assess some people as having Avatar Withdrawal Syndrome? Are you like, a psychologist? Psychiatrist? Btw can you lend me your psych disorder manual which has that in it so I can read up about it? Oh wait you just watched a funny news story and you were a goober so you didn't really understand at that time that the news is sensationalized
Since you're insisting: yes, I lived through the release period and yes, it did in fact be like it do, avatar nerd withdrawal wasn't pure marketing. Assuming you're this one,
the mistake made in the earlier post is to pretend as if historical fad trends in 3D marketing exclude the details of the Avatar release itself. People actually did like the dumb monkey movie, for the reasons I've given. IIRC "the Star Trek movie" came out a bit later while that 3D fad was ongoing, not 2008, but that's neither here nor there.
There are cheap, crappy examples of 3D, including Jaws 3D and Friday the 13th Part 3. Avatar was not one of them. That whole room was oohing and aahing the entire time I was in there.
The biggest contrast is when you're wearing the glasses, and then you take them off. What was once believable flesh becomes these shiny PS2 plastic blue cat guys. A large part of the initial spell was the 3D itself, but later audiences who only saw it on TV or similar got the plastic doll effect, together with the bad dialogue (which you can ignore when you're enjoying the proper visual spectacle).
>lol homosexual who can't even into reading comprehension
>Assuming you're this one
no. and
>avatar nerd withdrawal wasn't pure marketing
frick off. Nerds were not into avatar. If anyone was - which is dubious - it was Trailer trash. The people shown in the "avatar withdrawal" fake new stories weren't tech nerds or trek nerds or any kind of nerds. It was twilight moms, obese wolf-shirt women etc. Really it was probably like the same 5 women that they pretended were a big group
Sounds like selective memory of a single piece. Although you are cleverly pivoting on my use of the word "nerd" itself to explain away nerd interest in the thing (while acknowledging broad interest, which undercuts your argument in a deeper and more important way), I still correctly reject your basic thesis that "Avatar withdrawal syndrome" was a purely imagined piece of marketing-it wasn't. But let's run with your permutation.
The flick made a lot of money. Sales are objective, the numbers don't lie. SEVERAL liked the thing enough to pay money to see it, and in SOME cases, multiple times. For our moron fight purposes, the real question is who were those repeat viewers, and why. Whether it was nerds, fat single moms or otherwise, you seem unable to deny the objective financial performance of the thing, which is why you have to pivot from the "nerd" category (the real connossiuer category) to the fat trailer trash women, giving them every negative attribute in the process. But in going down this path you're just again acknowledging the broad appeal of the film, a secondary point that you can't shake. And whether it was nerds or fat sows-or more likely, a blend-the basic reason is why. Why pay to see this awful stupid movie multiple times. And the simple reason is that the consumer liked something about it. This is most reasonably explained by the film's themes and 3d effects, which you are at autistic conniptions to deny.
>lol homosexual trying sound intellectual
>priceless
>thanks for the genuine belly laugh homosexual
>when I actually win an argument on Cinemaphile through the force of the better argument because my opponent is some spicy kid who types homosexual every third word
When anyone can easily destroy your "argument" by pointing out all the crap films that made money and why. Black Panther made a trazillion dollars and it was nothing to do with prior movies and didn't deflate subsequent movie expectations and butts on seats did it moron?
Makes you wonder then why these studios spend so much on marketing the film at all if that's not a factor. kys
I watched 30 minutes of it and hated that crap like you wouldn't believe, i was furious I stopped the movie and since then i hate watching films.
Cool story, bro.
Sadly its true, Avatar is legendary garbage tier, it destroyed all hope I had left about movies.
Its so fricking bad i'm posting twice about it.
you are not old enough to post here
Everybody saw it and mostly considered it at least passable, but I think even at the time there was little interest in more
At the time there were super fans who got depressed that they couldn't live on Pandora, but even they forgot about ht movie.
>Is this how Cameron joins the elite club with Lucas and Ridley Scott?
I'm not sure what you mean. Avatar was James' Phantom menace. Prometheus was ridley's
Avatar series is a passion project for Cameron. He wants to experiment with new technology and he’s a huge environmentalist and climate change activist. The first movie had a big nature message. The rest will be the same
I'd rather to watch a movie that was from his passion for making cool movies
In a way the cultural moment has passed, but the anti-colonial theme has a huge audience right now, so I’m sure it will be a hit. I wanted an Avatar 2 several years ago, but I’d still watch it.
I hated the first movie. Smurf people are ugly and make annoying noises singing you the song of their people. I don't mind archetypes, but the characters were fricking cardboard cutouts.
I don't give two fricks about a sequel and think Cameron is wasting his time and talent, especially with the hippie bullshit message in the first one that feels like it's from the 80's when Captain Kirk was saving gay whales or whatever, but Captain Planet PSA coda level.
No thanks.
Wow. All the homosexuals here still believing and repeating the bullshit marketing hype from back then as if it's real and they still haven't realised it's not. 'muh Pandora!'
Look into the history of 3D cinema and you'll see it has a hyped resurgence every couple of decades that amounts to nothing. Been going on since the black and white era. Makes a bit of money before everyone goes back to not giving a frick.
Back in 2008 I sorta kinda believed the bullshit marketing about the Star Trek movie and that nerds should give a more action oriented Trek a chance because it will appeal to a wider audience. But I'm not stupid enough to still believe that, or any of the ongoing, "You're just a purist/racist/misogynist who doesn't like CURRENT YEAR THING, get with the times grandpa" marketing horsecrap and excuse-mongering when shit fails to impress and drops off the radar.
I mean how fricking stupid do you have to be at this point?
It's funny, your mouth is moving but all I hear is fart noises and see shit falling from your face
Did I hurt your smurf-loving feelings homosexual?
He's already in his own club. Ridley Scott lol.
>Avatar is....LE BAD
is such a reddit opinion at this point. Just because it still made more money than Endgame and Infinity War it doesn't mean you need to endlessly hate on it.
Sure it's not a legendary masterpiece of cinema but it's just a chill, good movie. Simple story, interesting world, great CG and cool, fun scenes and set pieces.
Stop being a cry baby.
It'll make 3 billion with all the cinemas popping up in China and India over the last 10+ years.
It'll be a fairly decent sci-fi movie like the first but nothing exceptional.
4 films does seem like overkill though.
Avatar likely did financially well through a combination of Cameron's prior reputation, Sigourney Weaver, some interesting concepts, combination of sci-fi and fantasy demographic, admittedly groundbreaking CGI, 3D fad peak, media and internet hype, and a lack of built up immunity to said mode of hype at the time.
I doubt the sequels will benefit in the same way, or Cameron's rep and career, unless he makes some truly great and interesting stories, not the snoozefest Dances with Hippie Smurfs bullshit in the first one. He's capable of it, but so was Lucas, Scott, and others that have already been pointed out here.
I think he might be believing his own press too much and very much overestimated how much people gave a frick about the last movie, or continue to.
>inb4 Avatar Smurfs and the Crystal Skull
I will forever be upset how Cameron could've made at least 5 good action films but instead wasted the final years of his life on shit nobody cares about
Also where the FRICK is my True Lies bluray 4K quality remaster, Cameron? You fricking hack
Neytiri made avatar the highest grossing film of all time
Nothing was good in Avatar 1 apart from Reuben Landons BASED stuntwork