Frasier/Cheers

How does Frasier go from hanging out in a lower middle class Boston bar, drinking beer and talking sports, to being appalled to eat at a goofy Timber Mill themed restaurant with his dad? I'm watching Cheers for the first time and it's weird how different his character is. He's a bit snobby, but otherwise just a guy. Honestly kinda prefer his character in Cheers, he FEELS like Martin's son. Also, a general thread for both shows. And for the two people on this board who watched Wings.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Being with Niles made him more snobby

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Definitely. It's bizarre how Frasier gives Martin shit for hanging out at that Irish cop bar, McGwinty's or some shit I don't know. Either way the place wasn't far off from Cheers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's because Frasier hates micks.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >hates micks
          >spent 8 years hanging out in Boston bar

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Niles made him more snobby
      This. He changes when there are people judging him.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >40" flat screen in the nineties

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He probably has a big plasma screen connected to his hi-fi AUX. I like to imagine there's a minidisc player tucked away in the corner.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thats it. Frasier is Borderline.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    His radio show made him into a high class snob.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This and being excepted by the Seattle elite blew his ego up

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he had ascended to full upper class status inbetween shows

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Does that happen? I make more than my dad did at my age but it means less because of the era. I'm literally making the meme 105k 6 figure salary, and he capped out at around 60k a year doing physical labor, retiring in the mid 2000s. I don't even know what I'm trying to say here but I guess I'm curious how much more I'd have to make before it changed my personality.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        its not how much you make its the work environment you spend most of your adult life in. cubicle culture does things to people, just like working construction does

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i earn about 10% of what my father earned, and that's not adjusting for currency value.
        my life is a waste of time, everything's gone wrong and i made all the wrong choices while still trying to be a decent person.
        if i'd just been pushed into doing exactly what my father had been doing, i would have been fine - but i think they wanted me to do something more.
        he was at the top of his profession, high salary.
        i'm one step away from homeless and have no future.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I wish I had some good advice for you. My job is total bullshit. I work in advertising, a glorified e-mail job. I got lucky. Don't beat yourself up about being dealt shitty cards. Unless you're exceptional, life is RNG right now.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you likely made the right choices and took opportunities when they came along, aspired toward something and took risks, worked hard.
            most jobs are bullshit, but it takes something to achieve them in the first place.
            i am somewhat exceptional, good brain, body - i had some pretty poor luck and setbacks when i was 15-19 which derailed me, but i could have dealt with it all better - didn't really know what to do.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How old are you?

              I’m 45 and have no solid work history or education. I’m starting a business I’ve been working on for a while. I’m a total loser at everything but I’m good at this. My point is it may not be too late to start over.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                43, maybe you're right. but i feel most of my motivation is gone - all i do is work part time, sit and sleep.
                if i'd followed the career i discovered/started when i was 16, i would have been a millionaire 20 years ago - to put it into perspective, several of my colleagues from the time became world class.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                meant to say, there's a possibility though that if i started doing something i believed in, liked and could thrive in, i might find i had motivation again.
                situation can affect perspective

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                43, maybe you're right. but i feel most of my motivation is gone - all i do is work part time, sit and sleep.
                if i'd followed the career i discovered/started when i was 16, i would have been a millionaire 20 years ago - to put it into perspective, several of my colleagues from the time became world class.

                I would start with something small. Some small daily commitment that involves self improvement. Even five minutes a day. Just set a goal you know you’ll keep. It’s terrifying and disheartening to try and accomplish at our age. It can be done though. Taoism has helped me a lot. It’s helped me believe in the idea of cultivating energy later in life. A few book suggestions if you’re into this sort of thing:
                365 Tao: Daily Meditations https://a.co/d/bHCWJaw
                The Tao of Recovery: A Quiet Path to Wellness https://a.co/d/gKjokQE
                Everyday Tao: Living with Balance and Harmony https://a.co/d/bm4T0zy
                The Zen of Recovery https://a.co/d/2zdFIlJ

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        105k today is like 75k to your dad's economy

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, as I said on paper it's a nice spot to see your son in, doing better than you. But the cost of living and other variables in this economy basically makes us even in the end.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did radio hosts really get paid a lot in the 90s early 2000s?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. Now, I don't know how someone doing local radio was making howard stern money but they used to make a lot.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Did radio hosts really get paid a lot in the 90s early 2000s?

          Frasier canonically got in on the ground floor with microsoft and had put a lot of money in in the first round

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sponsorships and side gigs. Go speak at events. Several hundred to several thousand a night type events.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you know how there's a sea of hack podcasters making a good living off of expressVPN and helix sleep ads? radio basically used to be the same thing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. Now, I don't know how someone doing local radio was making howard stern money but they used to make a lot.

        Clinton completely deregulate the entire market. By 97 Clear Channel was already buying up everything, firing all the local employees, syndicating shows, on running the same playlist on every station they owned. It is even worse today, like 95% of all radio stations are owned by 2-3 corporations, which is why music is so fricking shit. The entire Seattle music revolution of The Melvins, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc. could never happen today, because there are no local program managers to play someone's record. It doesn't matter if you live in Alabama, chances are most of your FM stations are running the same program chosen by some guy in NYC.

        TL;DR- Back then Frasier would have been syndicated on multiple stations around the country, that's why he had so much money. Like Loveline with Dr. Drew and Adam, or Delilah.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The entire Seattle music revolution of The Melvins, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc. could never happen today
          lol he thinks that wasnt entirely manufactured. cute!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the two people on this board who watched Wings
            That was my first wife's favorite show I'm so fricking sad right now.

            But it wasn't. DCG got lucky with Nevermind and every label fricking went and signed every "alternative" band they could. Fricking Steel Pole Bath Tub had a release on a major. Helmet had two. Melvins by way of comparison probably never charted outside the B200. It was a free-for-all and the major weapon was volume. I have no idea how anyone could look at the realities of the music industry in September of 1991 and think that that transition was some sort of contrivance. Interest in glam metal had been waning as evidenced by falling sales in the genre months and years before Nirvana whereas interest in "alternative" music had been building for years as evidenced by increasing sales for bands like Jane's Addiction and RHCP, neither of whom were "grunge" or from Seattle.

            I'm gonna guess you were born after 1980 and just don't understand anything, so everything is a "PsYoP" or some other /misc/ word, which saves you the trouble of having to learn how to think.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Good post. He missed my entire point. The deregulation basically destroyed local music scenes and cultures, especially in regards to their road to greater fame. Even here in Louisville, we had a Haardcore or Post-Hardcore or whatever you want to call it scene in the late 90's/early 00's, with bands like Incursion 502, who later renamed Incursion eventually getting national success after local program managers were able to spin their records. Even non-Hardcore bands like My Morning Jacket were born the same way here, with local PM spinning their ecords and giving them wider recognition, until they got so big there was a fricking American Dad episode about them. They came from a later scene of psychedelic jam bands, in the same vain as The Grateful Dead or Phish, which pushed on into the early 2010's until all the stations here except the public radio stations were completely bought out and captured.

              If you want examples of manufactured bands and sounds, look at Nickelback, Creed, and all of the bands that sounded exactly like that, especially production wise, like that horrible band that sang "You're a crazy b***h, but you frick so good you're on top of it," or whatever. Basically one PM from some big city with connections to certain labels and producers pushed all of this shit because he made a profit from it, as they all do, in what is now basically a legal form of payola that has completely taken over the music industry.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Helmet had two.
              deservedly. in the meantime fricking rocks

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I'm gonna guess you were born after 1980
              bro if youre above the age of 40 what the frick are you doing here LMAO

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he doesn't know

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he thinks we're joking when we say you're here forever
                Don't worry kid you'll get there before you know it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                moron alert.
                Agha

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the two people on this board who watched Wings
          That was my first wife's favorite show I'm so fricking sad right now.

          But it wasn't. DCG got lucky with Nevermind and every label fricking went and signed every "alternative" band they could. Fricking Steel Pole Bath Tub had a release on a major. Helmet had two. Melvins by way of comparison probably never charted outside the B200. It was a free-for-all and the major weapon was volume. I have no idea how anyone could look at the realities of the music industry in September of 1991 and think that that transition was some sort of contrivance. Interest in glam metal had been waning as evidenced by falling sales in the genre months and years before Nirvana whereas interest in "alternative" music had been building for years as evidenced by increasing sales for bands like Jane's Addiction and RHCP, neither of whom were "grunge" or from Seattle.

          I'm gonna guess you were born after 1980 and just don't understand anything, so everything is a "PsYoP" or some other /misc/ word, which saves you the trouble of having to learn how to think.

          I keep fricking telling people that Clearchannel/iheart/whateverthefrickitisnow is responsible for killing radio as well as rock as a genre. Glad someone else is on the same page.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          isnt ClearChannel now IHeartRadio?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Delilah
          She is like Hallmark Channel for radio. Pretty comfy, tbh.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I always assumed Frasier’s show was syndicated in other markets, not just a local Seattle thing.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          at first, it's not. there's an episode where he goes to Spokane because it's the first city his show gets syndicated to

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah. Other anons explained the why and how but go listen to some early 2000s O&A, they talk about the absolute state of radio and where they see it going all the time. The XM satellite stuff was supposed to be this golden parachute once the ass fell out of corporate radio.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, prior to social media destroying the industry local radio show hosts made very nice money.

        At the upper end there was a long running (end of the 80's to mid 2000's when one of them went to Sirius) sports talk show in NYC called Mike & the Mad Dog where each host was making 1.5 million per year in the late 90's- early 2000's.

        Seattle's not NYC and a radio psych. isn't making sports talk money but I would guess a real life version of Frasier was probably making $200-300k per year in the 90's.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        IIRC in the very last episode when he gets the job offer in San Francisco, he was offered $500k

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        frasier had a harvard degree they had to make an excellent offer to get him on the air

        Does that happen? I make more than my dad did at my age but it means less because of the era. I'm literally making the meme 105k 6 figure salary, and he capped out at around 60k a year doing physical labor, retiring in the mid 2000s. I don't even know what I'm trying to say here but I guess I'm curious how much more I'd have to make before it changed my personality.

        it's not so much about how much you make but in what social circles you want to spend your time in

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I would assume Frasier show was nationally syndicated and he is somewhat of a minor celebrity although, my understanding is (non-American) that the money in radio of that era was really only in sport and political commentators.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I know popular radio hosts in large cities that were not syndicated made 250,000 to 300,000 in the mid 90s. Radio was big business especially popular FM talk shows and even music heavy shows with popular hosts

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Radio was king back in the day. It’s probably the only reason podcasts are still popular to this day. That said once Millenials age out I doubt Zoomers will care about radio or podcasts at all.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    His libido fell off. He stopped hanging out with chads like Sam, Woody, and Norm

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and Norm
      Why does this specific type of fat guy not exist anymore?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know, I work with a few.
        But someone can't ascend in to "Normdom" until they hit 45 and also give up the will to live

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Norm's actor was 34 in the first season, and only hit 45 when the final season was airing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was a different time...

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              People were allowed to grow up faster then. You would have a full time job that paid your mortgage at 21. Then you'd marry by 24, have 2 kids by 28, pay off your student loans by 32 and slump into Normdom by 35.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He got arrested n California after he killed his brother and blamed it on the mafia.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You uh, forgot Cliff there, buddy

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Who?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Cheers theme is about Norm. He's the protagonist of the show.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cheers fricking sucked

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It peaks sort of late. Like the last two seasons are basically proto Frasier.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cheers is a zoomed filter, socialization is alien for you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ted Danson is a funny dude, I like him a lot more than I expected

      It peaks sort of late. Like the last two seasons are basically proto Frasier.

      i havent seen those seasons, I watched the first 5 I think and I prefer the first 2 because of Coach

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was always ok background noise type of a sitcom. I don’t think most people “tuned” in to see it on first airings exactly but it was rerun late at night because it literally felt like a friend simulator as you would now with things like RLM or Joe Rogan interview shows today.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I don’t think most people “tuned” in to see it on first airings exactly
        It was the number one show and the cornerstone of NBC's Thursday night "Must See TV" for it's entire run, moron.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          shut the hell up incel

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Frick off embarrassed called out zoomshitter

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s impossible to reconcile cheers with Frasier. You’d think over the 11 years in Boston he would have mentioned his brother or father one single time?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there is a chapter where they mention he mentioned Martin was a researcher and was dead because he was angry with him, not sure about why he never mentioned Niles

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Martin is a researcher and dead
        Kek this makes it even worse

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Niles was written in for Frasier, the character didn't exist during Cheers.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >watch Frasier
    >Frasier's mom is constantly remembered as a saint
    >watch Cheers
    >Frasier's mom is a fricking psycho who repeatedly threatens to kill Diane

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Frasier carries a fricking revolver in Cheers and threatens to shoot Sam. Cheers is actually such a weird show in tone because it's generally more low-key than Frasier but gets serious sometimes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Now you're gonna make me that tossed salad and scrambled eggs, punk.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what an awful food combination. scrambled eggs? I'm thinking toast and those little sausage links. Salad? Probably chicken or steak. Who the hell has scrambled eggs and thinks "you know what would be good with this? A salad!" (or vice versa) Freaks. And don't get me started on how most people these days can't do a good scrambled egg (common problems: too runny/milky, not scrambled enough) over medium is the only kind of egg I'll order if eating out.

          Also, did you guys know both Niles and the dad's actors are/were gay irl?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bulldog was gay, made an entire one man stage play about bouncing on dick.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              as much as F.R.I.E.N.D.S is a "show for women", Frasier is a show for gay men

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or 90s gay adjacent men aka future 140 IQ nazis

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I got you pegged.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sam wasn't smart enough to realize it wasn't loaded, it's literally the same as when Niles was swinging around a starter's pistol.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sam literally points out that it isn't loaded.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You dared to convince me I was drinking a Château Cheval Blanc when it was actually a Lambrusco? Your first and last mistake Niles...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          drinking cheap lambrusco wine in the hills of catagenia
          >love that memory

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >now you're thinking, did he answer 5 calls or 6
        >you gotta ask yourself one question, was I listening - well, was i? PUNK
        >because that's what no one else did.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >that episode where Diane's psycho boyfriend nearly strangled her to death in a recreation of Othello and Desdemona

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wait tony soprano and frasier are brothers?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Holy shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      LOOK AT HER NILES SHES SMILINGN

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Frasier's mom is constantly remembered as a saint
      That's how the boys and Martin try and hang onto her memory, but it's blatantly obvious that she was awful and largely responsible for her sons' maladjustments. Remember the lab rat episode? Remember the one where it was revealed that she was cheating on Martin and he covered it up? Or the one where Frasier realises that he must stop listening to his mother's judgemental memory in order to move on and be happy? Frasier (the show) is quietly scathing about Mrs Crane.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Always felt this way too. They all seem extremely codependent about her.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Spin-off sitcoms from that era rarely made sense. Mork & Mindy was a spin-off of Happy Days for example.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mork and Mindy was from the 70’s zoom

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frasier made a lot of jokes in cheers about sam and the gang not being his only or even his real friends and how he and lillith were just slumming it.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anyone cook steak chinese style?

    I used to love Wings as a kid. Super comfy for some reason.

    Frasier as a show, but it falls apart for me after a few seasons. The wit and writing are still there, but I can't care about the show as much when everyone becomes a self parody. The show kind of becomes like Seinfeld to me at that point. You're watching the formula more than the show.

    I like both Frasiers really. Once of the nicer things about Cheers is that Frasier had a lot to 'do' in a scene--he had a lot of characters to bounce off of. When he got his own show, the comedy between he and his brother was the main focus, so while he got good jokes in on the phone during his radio call in show, there werent enough other areas shown of frasier's life where he was trying to grow.

    Frasier having a recurring bit where he tries his hand at theater work would have been priceless and given him another group of clowns to be around beyond his family, daphne's family, and his work family.

    Frasier needed a thespain arc, a swordfighting arc, and eventually a regular sports arc

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Frasier declines enormously when they finally put Niles with daphne. Daphne just becomes a c**t and Niles an unfunny henpecked husband

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In fairness Niles spends the first four and a half seasons as a henpecked husband, he's just hilariously funny while doing so.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah that’s true. Something just goes out of the character when they put him with daphne, he becomes so soulless and lame compared with before. Maybe it’s because David Hyde Pierce is a colossal homosexual and so him interacting with an off-screen character (maris) is much more convincing than having to actually play a straight man in the room with his wife

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yup. It turns into a show from the 70s. Lots of clearly telegraphed comedy bits and some heartfelt moments, moments which are great for the characters, but have nothing to do with what made me watch Frasier in the first place.

        And then when the show would go into deeper character territory, it would shy away from it. Frasier sleeping with Roz was played as a moment of weakness thing rather than explored. It could have been turned into a cool 'this is how they both got their groove back' sort of thing where Roz dials in on the guys that are worth her time and Frasier realizes he wants a bit more of a wildcat to balance him out.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Roz and Frasier should have wound up together and I cannot be convinced otherwise

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ideally it should've been Roz and Bulldog since it'd be a good poetic ending that the two horniest frickers would be satisfied with each other, and then Frasier would've ended up with Jennifer Tilly.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Bulldog was such a great character, he could have had his own show. Tbh a spin-off that focussed on the characters at the radio station like Bulldog and Gill would be kino

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i should have ended up with jennifer tilly/connelly/aniston.
              and they should all have been 18 minus 24 hours

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ideally it should've been Roz and Bulldog since it'd be a good poetic ending that the two horniest frickers would be satisfied with each other, and then Frasier would've ended up with Jennifer Tilly.

            I could see either way. Either Roz and Frasier hooking up regularly and she becomes his therapist of sorts post coitus, they go off on some vacation or work thing and fall for each other. Or they hook up regularly, then stop and see other people, Frasier ending with Tilly after learning to appreciate what she offers. I dont see Roz with bulldog though. I'd have rather Roz's actuallay had the manage au trois with Daphne and Niles.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I feel like Bulldog could've grown as a character if they had spent more time with him. He was capable of taking care of her daughter and seemed to genuinely be in love with her. My headcanon is that they get together after the finale. Tilly was so fricking hot tho.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I must have checked out at later episodes, I dont remember much of Bulldog beyond the first few seasons. He's in some great bits.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's just that episode where he's revealed to be great with kids, and in that same episode he confesses that he loves Roz but she turns him down. Then there's this long stretch later on where Bulldog gets fired and just leaves for, like, a season or so. I assume Dan Butler went to do something else at the time or something before coming back where it's revealed that Kenny hired him to sort files down in the basement. He's basically the same character at that point but it's more to do with how the writers weren't focusing on him anymore.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >in that same episode he confesses that he loves Roz but she turns him down.
                one of the best moments in the series. the acting from both is excellent.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Frasier interacts with the actress who plays roz in cheers. She obviously plays a different character but it’s weird. John mahoney is in an ep of cheers but not sure if he interacts with frasier

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sam dates captain janeway for like half a season and it's weird seeing her be overtly feminine and sexy. Grew up never really sexualizing her, it hurt my brain and my penis.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Would you say that Kate Mul-grew on you?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I came here just to boo you.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No. Lilith won the Frasier bowl.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It could have been turned into a cool 'this is how they both got their groove back' sort of thing where Roz dials in on the guys that are worth her time and Frasier realizes he wants a bit more of a wildcat to balance him out
          I just realized that this is basically what happened to me right before I met/started dating my wife. Based Frasier

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >
        daphne sucks the life out of everything and niles is spineless and grating.
        the father was boring too and could have been reduced to 10% of his scenes.
        don't know who they could have included, maybe frasier could have had some normal friends. did he ever have any friends in frasier? seems he could hang out with people all the time in cheers

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what even is wings like who are these people lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wings is a cool show. It's a successful 'how few cool types of people can we gather to make an interesting television show' experiment.

        Yeah that’s true. Something just goes out of the character when they put him with daphne, he becomes so soulless and lame compared with before. Maybe it’s because David Hyde Pierce is a colossal homosexual and so him interacting with an off-screen character (maris) is much more convincing than having to actually play a straight man in the room with his wife

        Frasier declines enormously when they finally put Niles with daphne. Daphne just becomes a c**t and Niles an unfunny henpecked husband

        In fairness Niles spends the first four and a half seasons as a henpecked husband, he's just hilariously funny while doing so.

        I think pierce just becomes too doting in his character work, and it becomes glaring because Niles was really the backbone of the show comedically. That comedy backbone now becomes Niles and Daphne as a unit which doesn't have nearly the same energy.

        Niles also starts looking old. He looks old in a way Martin doesnt. Martin has always been old. He has a cane. Niles shows up one season and looks like hes wearing a comb over.

        The niles and daphne arc would have been the perfect time to give frasier another area of his life to focus on. Get frasier to be more of an odd duck so the laughs come from him. Later seasons have frasier doing a lot of theatrical comedy in his house and it works when it works until it doesnt. When they focus on the family, a lot of his histrionics almost feel codependent and it takes me out of it.

        Although, "Is it too much to ask that there not be GUNPLAY IN THE LIVING ROOM" is one of the funniest reads of any line ever.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wings is kino
        Fighting syrup gatherers all the way!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          hehe

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          WOULD BUST LOAD AFTER LOAD INSIDE THIS LASS'S TIGHT MOUTH AND ASS. A ABSOLUTE DREAM TO EMPTY BALLS AND PLUNGE wiener INTO WHAT WAS ALMOST ASSUREDLY A TENOUTTATEN PUSSY WITH GRIPPY SUGAR WALLS

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what even is wings like who are these people lol

      40yo boomer here. Wings was often derisively called 'Cheers in an airport' by critics and exists in the same universe as Cheers/Frasier. USA used to show reruns of it every day back in the mid to late 90s.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wings was comfy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Frasier worked off well against Woody and Sam as counterpoints. Norm and Cliff not so much and most of their jokes were cringe even back then.

  11. 4 weeks ago
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    why does frasier look like Fisher Stevens here

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They thought it was funnier that way, and it was made by comedy writers instead of canon-brained weirdos

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is cheers really a lower middle class bar though? It's pretty big and has that fancy restaurant upstairs. I'd say it's at least middle class. Now Gary's is a lower middle class bar

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Posting dank Frasier images in appreciation of this thread

    • 3 weeks ago
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        Dick cheney?

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                Frasier for the SNES was sick

                Based fellow Frasier for SNES chad

              • 3 weeks ago
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                This was a fun one from 2020

              • 3 weeks ago
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                Also, apartment 2 is the obvious choice

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                bebe is the funniest fricking character to me

                Bebe was seriously underrated

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                is that the first part of system shock?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                (QUITE STYLISH)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They made John Mahoney crawl around on the floor
                This took two years off his life, at least

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frick..

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                fantastic interior design

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It’s called “eclectic”.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                is it weird that I recognize the chair in the back?
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eames_Lounge_Chair

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, it's one of the most iconic furniture designs ever.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Very cool, almost the perfect photograph of the set as well, only problem is the wineglass on martins table, needs to be a valentines beer

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ai generated?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                bebe is the funniest fricking character to me

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Easy apartment 3
                Sherry would be unbearable, and the same for Bebe and Lilith. Gil and Mel might be a little highly-strung, but they're not too bad.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Apt 2 no question, get to hobnob with Niles, play with Eddie, smoke with and probably frick bebe and roz will be so horny she'd frick me as well and Niles is such a b***h for his wife/daphne I'd have no competition.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Apartment 4 is Hellfrasier mode

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                easily apartment 3. Bebe ruins apartment 2, Ronee ruins apartment 4 and Apartment 1 would be the worst.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                4 because Kenny is a bro and I wanna frick the other three.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                4 if I get to frick Daphne
                Otherwise, 2, the banter between Niles and Roz was legendary

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                2
                >Conversation with Niles
                >Observer the banter between Niles and Roz
                >Get to play with Eddie
                >Bebe is probably going to be annoying but, I imagine I could actually get along with her fairly well - and if it comes down to it I can just retreat to my room whenever she is out of hers.
                >The option to frick Roz probably comes up if we are quarantined based on how much of a bawd she is and Niles seems very unlikely to be either her choice or that he would be willing to go through with it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not bumming a cigarette from bebe after sticking it in her bum
                Bebe is a sex kitten with no strings attached and obviously wild as frick in the sack.
                Dream bigger based #2 big brain.

              • 3 weeks ago
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                2 is the clear choice.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                easily apartment 2, I'd just have sex with Bebe like greco roman wrestling on a trampoline

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frasier for the SNES was sick

                Of all the Frasier video game parody images, "Niles' Big Day" seems the most appealing. I don't know why

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frasier for the SNES was sick

                I wonder if we'll ever get AI dank enough to make these a reality.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://edward-la-barbera.itch.io/frasier-fantasy

              • 3 weeks ago
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                What a time to be alive

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                Frasier for the SNES was sick

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                such amazing casting wasted on such a shitty movie

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, if I had my expensive tie destroyed as soon as I walk in the door, I'd have a pretty low opinion of the place for the rest of the night.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >And for the two people on this board who watched Wings.
    Is Wings a Cheers spinoff too or something? I watched it sometimes when waiting for Newsradio. Didn't care much for it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was by the same people and had three or four crossovers, one with Lilith and Frasier.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Wings
    I LOVE WINGS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jqv7TlTtno

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God I cum buckets to Roz

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit do you guys remember that there was a Frasier remake? What happened with that?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      first season ended; wasn't a hit but it will get a new season

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Apparently it ended being received pretty well despite a lot of critics initially wanting to trash it because Grammer is a Republican.

      However he's an incredibly good comedic TV actor and so was able to carry the show into being decent despite having a kind of weak cast around him.

      However in the end the

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh shit, they got him.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He heard he blues a callin

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Top Ten Cliffhangers of All Time

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Killary got him

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Roz's voice is so fricking hot

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How was the revival?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not great, but not terrible

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he doesn't talk about sports that often though

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >and for the two people on this board who watched Wings.

    hey that's me
    and i like it over Cheers/Fraiser
    remember when Frasier and Lillith came to Nantucket?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I watched wing back in the day
      And thus, i don't remenber anything

      It would have been great getting a West Wings cameo. Imagine president bartlett and his staff all cramped on that plane.

      Speaking of cameos though, I would have loved to have seen Frasier cameo on other shows. He's a strong enough character to do it.

      Grammer was Bob on the simpsons, but I mean an episode of Law and Order where Frasier is an expert psychology witness for a string of episodes. Sort of the same way Munch appeared in several shows in character--even shows that werent by the same show runner.

      Munch is in the Xfiles. I want Frasier in the xfiles.

      It would have been a fun way to keeping up with the character without forcing an entirely new show and cast.

      Imagine Frasier showing up on Sports Night and Bulldog calling in.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not interested in most of that but the fact that we could have had Mulder & Martin work together & the former just weirds out the latter most of the time while Scully has to babysit Frasier & Niles would have been fun.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah. Yes. Back when Mr Monk first emigrated from Europe.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I watched wing back in the day
    And thus, i don't remenber anything

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why exactly do people find Frasier so comfy? It being the 90s? Anons being able to both see themselves as flawed as Frasier and yet also being envious of how ideal his life is?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I never watched it as a child growing up in the 90s but watched it via syndication on Hallmark Channel & Lifetime alongside Cheers reruns and just enjoyed the throwback style of comedy & how we used to space things like a stage play.

      I compare it a lot like watching something like a grounded DS9 political episode compared to the drizzling shits that is the non stop action & CGI Star Trek Discovery. It's simple and you know what you're going to get.

    • 3 weeks ago
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      It felt like a smart show. Keep in mind that the other popular shows at the time were like, Seinfeld, ER, the nanny, bunch of lame romcoms etc

    • 3 weeks ago
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      having Martin shit on stuffy Frasier and Niles is the balancing act that makes it 'comfy'

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The sets are nice and comfy. The banter and dialogue is what works on the show
      The individual episode plots are usually kind of dumb

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The first few seasons of Wings are so great, then they add Antonio. Jesus fricking breasts, do I hate Antonio. Right as the ensemble is getting comfortable, they let Tony Shalhoub do 1970s Italian face for some stupid reason.

    Pic unrelated but those that know, know.

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      Anonymous

      >Pic unrelated but those that know, know.
      he makes those episodes literally unwatchable. i skip through all his scenes. the whole moon family is awful with the exception of brian cox, who gets only 2 appearances.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dunno. My family and I liked him because he was Italian. My dad was born in Greece and disnt mind how cartoon it was. Plus he is Lebanese and a fellow Med.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    post cursed Frasier images

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Based and denim-pilled
      In the mid-90s my grandparents had our extended family take a family portrait wearing all denim. I'm sure everyone thought at the time that it would be a timeless look.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >peri gilpin barefoot
      Roz is dead, man, miss her miss her

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          Absolutely would/10

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          She looks good for her age in the reboot and kinda mogs Daphne by the end of it. Also it's weird reading about Peri, her biological father was some local news guy who died parachuting?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The denim has aged yeah but the photo almost makes Roz and Niles look like a couple which is even more cursed.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's like when people win the lottery and start going to 3 Michelin star restaurants and 5 star hotels. When you have the means to better yourself you can get swept up in it and become pompous.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Over the course of the show, it becomes very israeli. (Frasier's ex wife, and thus, son, are israelites. israelite star trek nerd at the station) Did it start off that way or did ~~*they*~~ just decide that they wanted to latch on to a show with good optics?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I see where you want to take this but frick off. Without Judaism, Frasier wouldn't have embarrassed himself by speaking Klingon. You would deprave us of that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Frasier speaks klingon
        >a language used by fictional spaceBlack folk, and he speaks it in a den of thieves

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Always israeli but it began with the kind of smart israelite humour they normally reserve for popping each other with. Once they saw the ratings they were forced to dumb it down and israelite it out further like ~~*Seinfeld*~~ or ~~*Friends*~~. There will never be another show with the level of humour contained within Frasier, especially the great seasons.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Never watched Cheers (it's doubtless subversive as frick, like everything), but God damn. Might have to watch that episode.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >(it's doubtless subversive as frick, like everything)
      meds status: not taken

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >noticing: not done

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is it weird that I want to FRICK Daphne, Niles and Roz?

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    for me the biggest flaw between both shows is Frazier being such a deadbeat dad, i watched the ep the other day where he bangs Lilith and then hes all
    >WHAT A MISTAKE IVE MADE WE HAVE MOVED ON WE HAVE SEPARATE LIVES AND CAREERS AND FRIENDS
    and he doesnt mention their son at all, if there was any reason to possibly rekindle their relationship it should be because the notion of being his dad in his day to day life would be the best thing for his son, I know we're watching a show and they just didn't want Freddy to ruin Frazier but it comes off as a glaring flaw when he gets all real and emotional as if he handled things the right way

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah it was kind of weird that he only saw his son like, 2 or 3 days a year or something. And that he moved clear across the country from his kid. Wtf

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My main criticism of Fraiser as a character as well. Egregious that he's a psychiatrist and doesn't see what a terrible parent he is by being such a narcissist about himself and his career. But makes perfect sense if you actually have met (women in particular) who are really into psychology.
      That's why we can laugh at all his misfortune, he's got such a great life and a son he neglects and he's still searching for something he's already looked past.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I kinda think this is the most realistic part of Frasier's character archetype. He wants for nothing, and neither do his ex or their son. So he can afford to live a life where he doesnt have to be a 'dad' in the typical sense because. It's an aspect of the type of character he is playing that doesn't get addressed directly on television much. These characters have lives with strong directions. They have goals and meet them. And his son will be the same way, and is being groomed that way off screen, surely.

      So not only is it convenient from a writing perspective not to have to bring up Freddy all the time, it's also true of the character archetype. The average person wants attention enough for their dad to teach them how to play basketball; Lilith can have ex players coach her son directly if he so wanted.

      You sort of stop being a deadbeat dad when everyone has money.

      Having Freddy around every now and then could have worked, but it's easy for me to say after having seen something as successful as Two and a Half Men deal with kids. I'd have loved to have seen Freddy around--maybe he stays with Frasier for a semester and now you have Grammar dealing with other parents at his school or something. It opens up possibilities to see frasier be frasier.

      But sort of like my hopes with Frasier and Roz becoming a thing for a few seasons and having a torrid romance where she becomes his therapist and maybe she goes onto something else, it feels well beyond the scope of the laurel and hardy esq show they put together.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Grammar refused to do the spin-off if he was a single dad. Hence Lilith getting custody of Freddy.

      Ironically, the writers knew that viewers would complain about Fraiser being a deadbeat dad so they would, every couple of episodes refer to Fraiser visiting his kid off-camera between episodes in untold stories. Along with finding ways to work Freddy into later Lilith guest episodes.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >lower middle class Boston bar
    what show did you watch?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's an Irish bar, so, checks out

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I watched wings as a tween. I have no idea why. Tim Daly was my homosexual awakening. On second thought, maybe that’s why.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      homosexual

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Frasier/Cheers
    >Frasier before Cheers
    This triggers my autism very much, anon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's how a lot of people in here experienced the show including me (34) was just to young for cheers but perfect age for Fraiser, then went back and rewatched cheers after I got older.
      It's probably weird for most people but there's that small group that was almost forced into it due to no streaming and age. Sorry anon you'll get over it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I have no idea why you would be triggered. Frasier was the most highly produced production ever developed for televised consumption. It marked the end of the cathode ray tube, while being erudite and pleasant.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I have no idea why
        You'll get it eventually.

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    Anonymous

    I watched the first couple seasons of frasier and almost never laughed, but I did find it kind of comfy/entertaining. Kind of like watching dylan moran. I still call my decoration style eclectic after hearing him say it (my apartment looks like shit but it's eccentric shit)

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Simple answer. He discovered Reddlt and became an insufferable twat.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lilith fricked him up

    Wing is part of the Cheer's cinematic universe? why?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Norm, Cliff and Frasier show up in it. It really does feel like something different entirely. Neither Cheers or Frasier felt like Taxi babies, but Wings is.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Taxi
        Hey. This is Tony Danza, and you're reading this in my voice.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit is dat a muhfuggin draco?

          based danzachad

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Wings
    I loved this show but it went downhill a little after Thomas Haden Church left

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Thomas Haden Church
      dude is such a good actor

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a little

      [...]

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well, they made Antonio a more prominent character after and that helped some since Tony Shalhoub is always funny

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He made snobby friends in Seattle

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What was the name of that one character. Blond woman I think with big breasts that Frasier wanted to bang so frickin hard but she was like a moronic pop psychologist and he just couldn't do it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honey Snow. And he wanted to and tried.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >that episode where Jonathan Crane is finally released from Arkham

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    take back the night is my favorite Cinemaphile meme

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit is dat a muhfuggin draco?

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rebecca is best girl and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tbf Shelly Long never did it for me but Rebecca was sex.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shit. just remembered she passed away. was gonna say it would be cool if she showed up on the new show.
      though I gave up not long into it.

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lol what the frick? Fraiser is a Cheers Spin-off, are you fricking with me right now?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you even on this board?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        because I'm not 45+, what's your excuse?

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  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get autistic about fricking sitcom lore kek though it was weird watching that Cheers episode that has Frasier begging Sam to give him his dog back because he loves it so much. Meanwhile on Frasier he is always on the verge of throwing Eddie in a dumpster behind a Chinese restaurant.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >And for the two people on this board who watched Wings.
    >forgetting the fourth member of the CheersVerse

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I watched this expecting it to be this monstrosity of a show that is an affront to Italians, but it's literally just ok? If it lasted longer, it probably would've been a good show.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The new Frasier series looked like trash. His son is dating some dyke looking mulatto who looks ten years older than him too. Wtf were they thinking?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're both awful actors.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      money from the brand + humiliation ritual
      something about trust fund
      big guy?

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He was always a snob it’s just the Cheers gang kept him in check and Lydia was such a c**t he looked better in comparison. But in Frasier yeah hanging out with his homosexual brother made him more insufferable no kidding.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember they tried to promote the frick out of Wings in commercials but I don’t think I know of anyone who watched it? It did look pretty comfy from the clips I saw but to me a sitcom about a plane hangar seemed pretty mundane.

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frasier is a creature of his environment. When around blue collar guys, he tries his best to mingle with them and wants to be involved in their shenanigans.
    When in Seattle upper class society, he wants nothing to do with blue collar people.

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are the new seasons of Frasier a completely separate show? Why use the same exact name if it's a new show? Why isn't it "Frasier Season 12," etc.? Is it a rights or production crew issue?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Does he even make any references to old Frasier or Cheers? Or is all just never mentioned?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They barely mentioned John Mahoney dying in the first episode and that was it. It's utter goyslop.

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
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      Anonymous

      lillith?

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Which of the Frasier main cast would you like to spend an evening with (You're not allowed to have sex with your choice)?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lilith
      We would arrange to have sexual intercourse at a later date after I explain the lilitations of our rendezvous.

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wings was comfy af summer viewing on USA as a kid. It sucked ass when Wimbledon would come on for the week or two.

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    martin is a real jerk in the first season

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The characterisation on the whole is a bit rough around the edges in the first season, Daphne's psychic looniness is a bit much. Tbf I think DHP nailed Niles from the start though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Martin is the only character I can think of that is at their worst in the first and last seasons of a show.

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Annoying question: how should the writers of Cheers gotten rid of Lilith without resorting to her becoming an adulteress without any sort of build-up once it became apparent that the actress playing her would not commit to doing a spin-off with Grammar?

    They really threw Lilith's character under the bus making her cheat on Fraiser and having her and Fraiser hate each other in the spin-off. I'm not saying they should have killed her but surely they could have come up with a better way to break them up....

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >how should the writers of Cheers gotten rid of Lilith without resorting to her becoming an adulteress without any sort of build-up once it became apparent that the actress playing her would not commit to doing a spin-off with Grammar?
      baby freddy dies, grief drives them apart.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They could have just killed her off, although then the question becomes what you do about Freddy. I suppose you could kill both of them off but, that seems very dark. The other optional is you just recast her.

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