Fricking liability the whole way.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Frick you Gandalf, the kid had pipes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Every party needs a sick bard

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I bet Faramir feels differently.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. Frick, he saves Faramir's life.

      And in the books you learn this is actually pretty important, because if Faramir AND Denethor had been burned alive then there'd have been no one formally in charge of Gondor, and no one to legally hand control of Gondor back to Aragorn.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >implying gondor wouldn't of just given chadagon the crown regardless

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >wouldn't of

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Faramir was the only steward that would even consider handing power over to Aragorn. Boromir never liked Aragorn and Denethor is Denethor.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I mean Boromir seemed pretty pro Aragorn while he was dying.
          Boromir came around, but Denethor was defs too far gone.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >and Denethor is Denethor.
          Actually, even Denethor probably would have relinquished his authority to Aragorn. He wouldn't have liked it, and probably would choose not to stay on as Steward, but he was aware of the Steward's duty to the King, and if Denethor had survived to see Aragorn literally save Gondor and Sauron be destroyed, he would not have attempted to deny him the kingship.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This. He was a man of honor and law, though flawed. He would have come around had he stuck around.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >This. He was a man of honor and law, though flawed. He would have come around had he stuck around.

              I think he would have tried to die in battle rather than actually surrender the rod, though.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Boromir disliked Aragorn because he saw him as a complete pussy who shirked his duties as king while his countrymen were dying en-mass in a war that Boromir had been fighting in for years. Every day, he fought orcs and saw his friends be hacked apart and shot, while Aragorn was prancing around in the woods pretending to be an elf with his hood-rats.

          The moment Aragorn decides to grow up and do his job, you'd bet your ass Boromir would be fine with handing him the crown.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >and no one to legally hand control of Gondor back to Aragorn.
        You say it as if Gandalf had not taken control already.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >and no one to legally hand control of Gondor back to Aragorn.
        Oh no, would your favourite character have to commit a coup to go with his war crimes? homosexual.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          'pede moment

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        hold on.

        >if Pippin doesn't frick up moria
        >Gandalf would be alive when they arrive at Lothlórien
        >warmer welcome, higher morale, Boromir not getting haunted
        >they arrive together at Nen Hithoel with way better moral and everyone keeps in check because Gandalf is still there
        >Boromir never has the 1on1 encounter with Frodo in the woods
        >this means Boromir is with his shield when the Uruk-hai arrive
        >he laughs at Lurtz as he blocks his arrows, protects the hobbits and kills Lurtz in a 2v1 together with Aragorn, earning the respect of everyone
        >So Boromir doesn't die, Faramir doesn't become a bitter c**t because he finds his dead body
        >Faramir helps the fellowship/the hobbits
        >Boromir arrives at Minias Tirith with Gandalf
        >Denethor happy
        >thanks to Boromirs great leadership they defend osgiliath longer with less casualties
        >Denethor happy
        >The defend Minis Tirith way better
        >Denethor happy
        >no one gets burned alive

        Yeah, I think we could trade in Pippin.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          gandalf the gay would job to the witch king, that was a job for gandalf the white

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Gandalf needed to die so he could take away Sauronmans wizard powers

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            gandalf the gay would job to the witch king, that was a job for gandalf the white

            Gandalf didn't actually get more powerful when he got reincarnated.
            He was just given more leeway in how much of his power he was allowed to use and how much he was allowed to interfere with things directly as the new leader of the Istari.

            He did return more wise and forceful. Gandalf the Grey had spent a millenium as a hoodlum wandering Middle Earth and like the other Istari he had slowly forgotten what it was like to be a Maiar and serving the Valar. Gandalf the White came straight back from hanging out with the God Almighty in a realm beyond time and space. He did not need any reminding.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              > Gandalf the White wasn't more powerful
              > He was just more powerful
              Fool of a Took.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White drive the same car, but Whitey is allowed to break the speed limit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If God himself dictates how much force you're allowed to use in a given situation, you can, for all intents and purposes, say that you're more powerful. To claim otherwise is pedantry.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's more of a guideline than a hard rule. Both Saruman and Gandalf stretch the boundaries of what they are technically allowed to do quite a few times and neither gets struck down by lightning.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty sure Gandalf is allowed to do whatever he wants, he is just depowered and has forgotten most things. I dont even think he quite remembers what he is before becoming Gandalf the White.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, he only ever uses his whole power against the Balrog who is also a Maiar. Against the ringwraiths, who are empowered by Sauron, he actually uses some magic, but he doesn't go all out.
                He uses some glamours otherwise, but he never attacks any mortals with magic directly.

                The Istari were sent to middle earth as emissaries of the Valar, who give advice and guidance to the mortals, they weren't allowed to directly interfere in the battle against Sauron as active parties. Of course all of them except Gandalf lose their purpose over time and Saruman even actively betrays the Valar and their mission. Gandalf's return and greater leeway is a response to this unfair stacked game.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe but its just as much headcanon as what I said.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Tolkien:
                >For with the consent of Eru they sent members of their own high order, but clad in bodies as of Men, real and not feigned, but subject to the fears and pains and weariness of earth, able to hunger and thirst and be slain; though because of their noble spirits they did not die, and aged only by the cares and labours of many long years.
                >And this the Valar did, desiring to amend the errors of old, especially that they had attempted to guard and seclude the Eldar by their own might and glory fully revealed;
                >whereas now their emissaries were forbidden to reveal themselves in forms of majesty, or to seek to rule the wills of Men or Elves by open display of power, but coming in shapes weak and humble were bidden to advise and persuade Men and Elves to good, and to seek to unite in love and understanding all those whom Sauron, should he come again, would endeavour to dominate and corrupt.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Tolkien was wrong. Mistranslation of the Red Book of Westmarch.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Your posts are poison, Anon Snakeposter.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Lathsneed I name you. Ill canon is an ill guest.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The end result is the same. If Gandalf had not gotten reincarnated, Saruman would have conquered the world. Don't forget he raised an army of 10k soldiers of considerably better fighting ability than Sauron's orcs in just a few weeks.
              If his plan to get Grima to become his puppet king of Rohan had worked, and it would without Gandalf's interference, he would have had 10k uruks, the entire Rohirric army, and the Dunlendings. This would have allowed him to openly betray Sauron, rescue Gondor at the Pelennor fields and puppet Gondor's strength. Then he just needs to make more uruks and eventually Sauron is just fricked, even if Saruman doesn't find the Ring he can just throw endless waves of troops until he takes Barad-Dur and has Sauron in chains.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Mordor extra forces later attack Gondor
          >No Gollum, no sneacking into Mordor to destroy the ring

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          then frodo and sam wouldn't have split from the rest of the group and they would have no path to destroy the ring

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Eru Iluvatar's agent of chaos, pays off when his actions in Moria leads to the death of the Balrog and Gandalf's wizard upgrade, convinces the Ents who snatched him to fight Saruman and wounds the Witch King at a critical moment.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't influence the Ents whatsoever.
      The Witch-king guy is a different character (Merry).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't influence the Ents whatsoever.
      The Witch-king guy is a different character (Merry).

      Oh shit nevermind that’s Merry I’m talking about.

      Was it Merry or Pippin who convinced the Ent taking them out of the forest to go another route and causing the Ent to see all the trees Saruman chopped down?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's Merry. Merry is smarter than Pippin. It's even more pronounced in the books. Merry is actually extremely based in the books, he's the clear second-best Hobbit, not Sam.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          In the books they dont need to trick Treebeard to go past Isengard because the Ents agree to go to war at the entmoot right? Pretty sure Treebeard knows all about whats going on in Isengard even before that, and he had just been talking with Gandalf too.
          Merry is definitely the better Hobbit though

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He is. To the point where him carrying the ring would have been an absolute disaster because he was too fricking clever and would have tried some shit rather than just obediently trudging to Mordor. Merry also solves the riddle to open the door to Moria in the book I think

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          In what world is Sam the second-best hobbit rather than the best hobbit? Who is the best hobbit then? Bilbo?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Bilbo
            Frodo
            Sam
            Merry
            Pippin

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Frodo for actually carrying the Ring to it's destruction. People often forget how much better of a character Frodo is in the books.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I'm not talking about his physiognomy.
              Wood played Frodo as a meek, wishy-washy character. Meanwhile book Frodo was a well-spoken character of noble birth who could entertain even elves with his conversation and poetry. Wood's Frodo couldn't do anything himself and had to rely on everyone else to get him out of trouble, but in the books Frodo was the unquestioned leader of expedition until they met Aragorn.

              I'm still mad about film Frodo getting tricked by Gollum into distrusting Sam.
              >captcha

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Frodo never betrays Sam's trust even once in the books
                >the two times he snaps at Sam is when he asks to carry the Ring for him
                >Frodo only snaps because of the rings influence and not willingly letting his friend feel that same evil he's succumbing to
                >Sam understands this and never resents Frodo for it
                The movies are slop and I'm tired of pretending otherwise

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The movies are far from perfect but they were as good as was possible in regards to making Lotro films, and nothing like that can ever be done again.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >nothing like that can ever be done again
                Amazon's The Rings of Power comes pretty close.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Rings of Power is a taste of how the movies would be were they made today. Breathe a heavy sigh of relief.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Fredegar

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In the novel they don't do any convincing. The ents are angry themselves.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >convinces the Ents who snatched him to fight Saruman and wounds the Witch King at a critical moment.
      That's Merry, not Pippin.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        [...]
        Was it Merry or Pippin who convinced the Ent taking them out of the forest to go another route and causing the Ent to see all the trees Saruman chopped down?

        It’s Pippin in the movie who tells Treebeard to go south, where he sees the devastation. In the books the ents just need to be talked into convening, where they decide to rout Isengard by themselves.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >So dumb he was unable to speak or form a coherent thought when using the Palantir, which caused Sauron to completely misreading the situation which lead to opening a path to Mt Doom for Frodo and Sam

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds like 4d chess to me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Convinces Gandalf to leave the battle to save Faramir thereby ensuing the continuation of the line of Stewards who then provide legitimacy to Aragorn's accession to king and the reunification of Arbor and Gondor.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I like how Tolkien fans justify the dues ex machina in the story with stuff like “it was the will of Eru” and “eucatastrophe”

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Do you not understand the concept of The Fool?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why didn't boromir or someone just cut his throat in the woods and blame it on some forest gremlin or something?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not mentioned in the films but in the books he is basically the entire reason Frodo had 3 Hobbit companions at all. His curiosity and balls led to him conspiring with Sam and Pippin to watch over Frodo and make sure as soon as he left on an adventure that they would all join him.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Oh shit nevermind that’s Merry I’m talking about.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wish we got to see Frodo and Sam sex him.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pippin not poppin
    merrin not merry

    tolkien is such a poet

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pippin is the one who sticks a sword in the cave troll, making it rear up and scream so Legolas can finish it off, and he and Merry jointly distract it from continuing to attack Frodo.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So OP is right, he is a liability.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Feck, replied to the wrong post.

        That's Merry. Merry is smarter than Pippin. It's even more pronounced in the books. Merry is actually extremely based in the books, he's the clear second-best Hobbit, not Sam.

        So OP is right, he is a liability.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah but Pippin is the reason they're even fighting the cave troll in the first place

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >witch king
    >was a king but was never a witch
    PLOT. HOLE.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    little hobbit fella

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, but in the end he was the key to all of this

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if they didn't cast a cute boi for this role, he only gets away with his shit because he was such a cute boi in the movies

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fatty Bolger!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We discussing obscure characters from the book? I take your fatty Bolger and raise you one Gildor Inglorian.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Is that one of the elfs Frodo meets right outside of Shire?
        G-d, Christopher was right, Elijah Wood as Frodo was such a terrible miscasting.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Is that one of the elfs Frodo meets right outside of Shire?
          Yep.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He was poorly cast as book Frodo, where he was meant to be in his 50s or something. With the condensed timeline in the films I think Elijah did a great job as that character. Like Denethor and Faramir, they were dick all like the book version but the new character that they were in the film was well excecuted.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not talking about his physiognomy.
            Wood played Frodo as a meek, wishy-washy character. Meanwhile book Frodo was a well-spoken character of noble birth who could entertain even elves with his conversation and poetry. Wood's Frodo couldn't do anything himself and had to rely on everyone else to get him out of trouble, but in the books Frodo was the unquestioned leader of expedition until they met Aragorn.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You're absolutely right. I'm trying to say that the new character that Jackson wrote for the films was well excecuted and brilliantly acted by Wood. As book Frodo it was shit, but it never tried to be that character. The new one that they used for the films worked well for the new take that they had, and Wood did a good job with the material, like John Noble did with Denethor. It is a shame though, I often wonder how well a faithful take on Frodo would have worked on film

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I always thought of Merry as the leader until they meet Strider. He knows the geography and comes up with all of the plans and diversions and shit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Merry led the way in the Old Forest due to his planning and (limited) familiarity with it, but Frodo was definitely in charge.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            50s is still young for hobbits though, basically barely 30.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >30
              >Young
              I can tell exactly what cartoons you watched as a child.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                30 is young if you're not a slob

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >g-d
          Shalom

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Frodo was perfectly cast considering what he was meant to be and do. He looks like he is on the verge of crying all the time.
          Book Frodo was definitely more hands on and decisive but you really must understand that book frodo was also a pretty rude and foppish aristocrat at times. Frodo had to be softened up a bit, otherwise modern audiences would have absolutely loathed his posh little ass

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I raise you that one fox that's confused about why 4 hobbits are wandering around in the countryside at night

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I raise you that one fox that's confused about why 4 hobbits are wandering around in the countryside at night
          Was tolkino a furry?

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That's the point, he adds an element of humor and whimsy to an otherwise grave and serious journey.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > FOOL OF A TOOK
    Imagine the emissary of God calls you an idiot. I wouldn't be able to recover.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gandalf has a habit to just throw hobbits at most problems since they seem protected by God, and its served him well every time.

    Isnt it implied in the Hobbit that Bilbo isnt the first hobbit to be dragged to adventure by him?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Probably corrupted the whole Took line

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Gandalf just has a thing for small people.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I-in the books he had the biggest wiener and used it to convince the wood nymph that they were worthy to pass

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Uhm ackhtually it was a wood spirit and it was D'eenskcuch from the Silmarillidillidoo, who killed 250 Balrogs and werewolves during the War of Gondorlin

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They're stuck taking him because he knows about the ring and the quest and would be easily shaken down by Sauron's agents or just blab of his own choice.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't touching the Palantir warp him more in the books? iirc he had some kind of hidden insight because of it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I remember that. I dont know if it was in the book but I remember it so its basically like it was in the book, so its canon.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I knew it!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Didn't touching the Palantir warp him more in the books? iirc he had some kind of hidden insight because of it.

      Not really. All he got was trauma from being interrogated by Sauron.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >becomes the king of the hobbits in your path
    >heh nothing personnel kid

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >books
    Merry and Pippin are Frodo's best friends, they're also hobbit nobility and the tallest and strongest amongst hobbits, their motivations and place in the story makes perfect sense

    >movies
    They're a bunch of juvenile morons who randomly tagged along

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