When did you start rooting against him? Although charming, he was a miserable, hypocritical, victim complex having fricking dickhead since the beginning.But after a few certain things he did, the charm wore off. When did you personally get fed up?
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Ralphie's death irked me,
But i truly lost sympathy when he killed Chrissie
Over the fricking horse? Your best earner? Really? And after Christopher I was done.
Even if I did, so what?!
WHAT DID SHE EVER DO TO YOU?
IT WAS A FRICKING HORSE
SHE BOUNCED BACK
If he left it at his kid was in the hospital he probably would have lived.
Him turning it back on Tony and his eating habits struck a nerve. Right as he was about Tony being a hypocrite it was pressing his luck too far.
So lame of Chase to just come out and say he did light the fire for the insurance money. It would have been better to leave it up in the air.
I think chase is unironically going senile. first the movie, then stuff like that
Yeah, the movie was just a lame fan service circlejerk.
I wish it was fan service. Nobody cares about the marital problems of Chrissy's dad and grandpa
Chase is a moronic homosexual hack nothing he says matters and if you don't believe me just watch Many Saints of Newark.
you'd have to be an austic moron to think he didn't kill the horse, it couldn't be more obvious from their conversation
Yeah, probably that for me too.
My goodness what a couple of ugly oafish bastards
They've pulled more ladies than you've even seen in the last 5 years (the joke is that you're an incel who does not touch grass).
The only people who are this rabid about incels are trannies (incels).
Honestly i think the point of tony killing christopher was to establish him as irredeemable.
After that he goes and had his drug fueled revelation about life and death in las vegas and its sort of like yeah, this dude is marked for death.
Iredeemable in what sense? It was just another case of a mobster killing another mobster for objectively valid reasons.
Tony killed for much more pettier reasons before. A good example is how he killed the head of the retirement home for spreading rumors about him wanting to kill his mother. Or even when tony dumped asbestos in the river.
Again having tony kill Chrissy as the line in the sand is silly. Tony was a fat greedy petty self interested prick from the beginning. P
When did you start rooting against him?
S1E1, also he isn't white
Chrissy's murder was the most respectable, because he would prob have given tone up to get out of his DUI, he was weak
>Ralphie was causing problems, especially meddling into family affairs, causing a war almost.
>chrissy was a liability who was given many chances and was too weak for the life
>tony forced to lose his humanity in order to save the little crew and protect his own family
>tony was a bad guy
With the cards hes been dealt, he was just trying to keep it afloat.
>With the cards hes been dealt
This bullshit again
Yes, the cards. What would you do if you were dealt those cards? What cards were you dealt in life? I don't see you starting out as a poor Italian boy in the streets of Newark, paving your own way and moving out to a nice gated community with your family. Tony worked with the cards he was dealt with while you squandered yours, that is probably why you're seething.
I probably would have just gotten a regular job since that was good enough back in the 80s and 90s.
Tony talks about civilians with disdain, it's an ideology he inherited from his mother and father, a life where he is a real leader with real power and not some unknown wageslave is more appealing to him, who would have thought.
In one of his dreams, he's a carpenter in Italy. And he told Melfi that that dream was nice. Granted, that's years and years into his career in waste disposal, so he's had time to get over the whole boss thing
Tone could've been a good sportsman but he didn't go for it. He would've been a man that stands out for positive reasons, a man seen as a hero by societal standards. A great theme of the show is that characters are in fact dealt a shit hand, but that it also comes to personal responsability. Chris could've ran away from it all with Adriana, but got her killed.
Tone had a supportive trainer/teacher and most likely faith in his own abilities, but took the life of the mafioso instead. It's also the reason he seethes whenever any character tries to improve in any way.
"You'll never shut me up"
Chrissy deserved it
>b-but but Tony only looked at le baby carriage for an excuse!
But I thought sociopaths only care about animals and BABIES as the show said.
This is the problem alot of people have trying to understand gangsters, most aren't psychopaths or sociopaths, what they have is compartmentalization, they can essentially turn their empathy on and off depending of circumstances, this is how they can be a ruthless uncaring killer and a loving family man at the same time, they can seperate the different parts of their life in their mind
His mom was the only point of sympathy I had for him. Once she died I never rooted for him again.
Don't think anyone pissed me off quite as much as the therapist though I think her character suffered from having different writers not knowing what the frick to do with her.
she was a perfect midwit female psychologist. She did nothing but massage her own ego by talking with tony.
She was fascinated by the mafia shit early in the series, but around season 3 and 4 she had good intentions
Why did the plot with the rape go nowhere?
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Melfi was kind of pointless after a couple of seasons, I think the writers had a hard time justifying having her still around cause Tony was really just treading water with that metal/psychiatrist shit for most the show
never
I'm a miserable prick - I've said this since day one
If you're even approaching a modicum of Tony's rottenness, do EVERYONE a favor and have a nice day
well based on your behavior, it would seem you may be the one who lands closer to that mark...
The only good person in the show was Dr. Milfie
>Dr. Milfie
dont act like you wouldn't
>young cutie
>meh 20s-30s
>godtier milf
explain this
The explanation is you have a Oedipal issue or two rattlin' around in the ol' noodle there, buckaroo.
some women are blessed
Many such cases Aniston comes to mind.
she always had big tit's so she was never meh
pleb
why were her skirts so short? are real therapists like this? is coom baiting patients part of the therapy?
yeah the longer they keep coming back the longer you ensure earnings
also the reason why they never give you any actual solutions cause that would mean they therapy has come to an end
so do you think if you threaten to leave therapy, she'll frick you to get you to stay???
if you threaten to have a nice day, will your mother frick you to live?
probably not but this is a therapist were talking here. not mommy. well, not our real mommy if you know what i mean
Season 5 and once he dropped the I'm a changed man shit about 2 days after his coma.
Probably when he killed christopher
point of no return in my book
christopher was human garbage and had it coming. Seriously. go back and watch again and look at the sheer quantity of evil deeds he did
Chris was a bad guy too but it's about the principle.
What principle? That he was le heckin relatable to loser viewers so he gets a pash for being a giant piece of shit? Frick outta here
again, if you look though the lense of "they are all bad!" then there's no point in the discussion
That wasn't even wrong. Christopher was a major liability.
Not as major as Tony himself frankly. Throwing temper tantrums and killing captains who make tons of money because his cute little ego. Chris has his shit together when Tony killed him. But because he "didn't hang around Bada Bing enough" Tony see it right to let Paulie do whatever he wants to Chris's earn?
Chrissy has relapsed when Tony kills him, what the frick are you talking about “has his shit together” you absolute fricking moron?
He was using sparingly. While taking care of his family and earning. Despite Tony and Paulie shitting on him all the time, which is the reason he started using again. Tony is a fricking incompetent boss. The whole downfall of Chris was his fault. And he has the nerve to feel vindictive about the fact that Chris made fun of him in a fricking cheesy horror movie. Go watch the episode again ya goof
>He was using sparing
Ah yes, he was a recidivist addict enjoying heroin sensibly in moderation. Utter moron.
>Tony and Paulie hurt his feelings!!!
And? He chose to set up his girlfriend for execution and he chose the Mafia. Now he’s crying like a b***h because people are mean to him, the Judas serial murderer? Get a fricking grip lol. He’s a sack of shit and if he can’t take the banter why the frick has he decided to be a Mafia soldier? You’re as deluded and pathetic as he is.
>Tony is solely responsible for all of Christopher’s choices and decisions even though Christopher is a thirty year old man!!!
Are you only now just realising that you’re an idiot? That you’re a legitimate brainlet and the entire show has gone right over your head?
>Ah yes, he was a recidivist addict enjoying heroin sensibly in moderation. Utter moron.
Who knows. People have ups and downs. All that is known is that at the time Tony killed him, he was doing alright.
>And?
And Tony is the boss, and so he should understand the strengths and weaknesses of his made men. This is inarguable. Tony is a a pathetic excuse for a boss. And leader of any kind needs to know how to get the most out of his men. If that means perhaps that Tony should tone down the ball breaking because Chris is hurt and soft, then so be it.
>All that is known is that at the time Tony killed him [Chrissy was a huge liability who’d just crashed a car and nearly killed everybody in it because he was high on a drug he was completely dependant on]. Yeah, that’s not what fine looks like, is it?
>Tony should be nice to Chrissy and believe in him to bring out the best in him!!!
Tony’s a Mafia boss, not a fricking little league coach you absolute dweeb, and if Chrissy is a soft immature little b***h he shouldn’t have decided to stay in the Mafia. It’s not Tony’s job to coddle him, it’s Chrissy’s job to stay sober and keep earning. You should maybe stick to MLP, I think that’s more your speed. Avoid shows for adults, they’ll only confuse and distress you.
>Tony’s a Mafia boss, not a fricking little league coach
Okay well then he shouldn't have fricking made him. He's a shit boss then
Go to bed, junior. You have to be 18 to post here.
>he shouldn’t have made him
If you think it was a mistake to make Chrissy because he was a major liability as a mobster, then logically you also believe that Tony should correct that mistake by killing him. Which means you’re b***hing about Tony killing Chrissy for no reason.
I didn't say it was a mistake, I said that from your and Tony's perspective it was a mistake. Tony bends and breaks rules all the time. So asking him to simply be a little nice to Chrissy is not so absurd. And if he had any foresight at all, and didn't kill Raplhie and Chris, he would have had a much easier time deal with Phil later on. He killed all his best men over petty bullshit.
>come on chrissy were just breakin ya balls haha!! xD
>YOU KILLED MY HORSEY WAAAAH
He's a shit mafia boss.
You’re an idiot and you’ve missed the entire point of the show if you’re sat there sulking because Tony didn’t live up to your moronic standards of professional Mafia competency. Here’s a hint- they’re all dysfunctional, lying, backstabbing, cowardly, self-serving criminals LARPing as honourable soldiers. Tony is completely unremarkable in this sense. Is he a bully? Yes, he is. That’s his management style but that’s… the Mafia. They’re all jackals (as Tony himself observed) and they only respect (and fear) strength backed by violence. Any weakness they’ll all take advantage of, ruthlessly and without regret. Chrissy is an insubordinate mutinous assclown and should have been whacked according to the Mafia code as soon as they found out he was a junkie. If you think Tony was a bad boss because he let personal feelings dictate many of his business decisions… no shit frickwit. They all did. Phil went to war because he was a butthurt homosexual. Johnny Sack went to war because he was a paranoid vengeful egomaniac. Paulie ratted to New York because he felt unappreciated. Ralphie murdered a stripper because she made fun of him. Chrissy murdered a random civilian in a public place because a waiter told him to frick himself and also shot a guy in the foot because he wanted everybody to see him as a badass.
Pointing out Tony is a bad boss like that’s interesting or significant or unusual is absolutely moronic because it ignores the fact that THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT and they’re all fricking petty greedy spiteful losers and terrible employees, Chrissy especially, who murdered his AA sponsor an episode before his death because he got his feelings hurt.
Nah killing Chris was the right thing to do, Tony never should have brought him into the life, he was a ticking time bomb, impatient, entitled, arrogant, a junkie, a dumb ass, an egomaniac, short man syndrome, he never should have been made
Around Season 6b. His degeneration reached another level and then it got cemented when he suffocated Christopher.
if I remember correctly, was it not literally the episode immediately prior to "Kennedy and Heidi" where Chris murders J.T. in cold blood
why does Chrissie get a pass and deserve your sympathies but Tony doesn't?
chris is obviously not a "good" guy, but we have to think in relative terms if we are to get anywhere.
Chris was tonys heir, he was his closest, had known him since he was just a baby and probably "loved" him in some sense.
Then when it became more convenient to kill him, he didn't hesitate.
It was convenient to kill Chrissie back as far as season 2. The guy got countless chances and kept fricking up.
>... We're already in the 21st century though, T..
Chris got a lot of chances but he was doing fine when Tony killed him. Tony killed him because he was annoyed with his drug problem, yet he was the one constantly breaking his spirit and clowning him every chance he got. Ignored all of Chris's business problems, like Paulie taking his power tools, shitting on him all the time, etc. Every time Chris tried to be good to Tony, Tony told him to frick off. And yet when it's over, Tony wants to paint himself as the heroic father figure with an ungrateful son. Frick him
Chris never ratted, never betrayed the crew and would kill anyone Tony told him to kill. Chrissy was a good mobster. You seriously think Pauline was better than Chrissy? Chrissy would do anything for the soprano crew, not Paulie.
Chrissy was a terrible mobster, complete loose cannon.
Not more of a lose cannon than Tony. Tony was a way bigger piece of shit.
That was only true until Adriana got whacked
I don’t get your argument. That just makes him a better mobster. Adrianna knew so much shit and was a informant for the FBI. Chrissy let his b***h get whacked to save the crew and whipped it off. I would love to be Chrissy. It would be better than being some eceleb or some movie star. If some little shit zoomer argued with me, I could just smack the shit out of him or blow his brains and and never get caught and then go home and do heroin.
You sound about as intelligent as Chris so you've got that going for you at least. Truth is, she was the only one loyal to him and was trying to find a way to rat everyone BUT him out with some vain idea they would be together at the end of it all. Chris says himself Tony didn't appreciate his sacrifice with Adrianna enough, which he didn't, but also Chris was stupid to expect that he would by that point. Anyway, by the christening scene it's pretty obvious it's either gonna be Tony or Christopher when it comes right down to it.
There was no love lost by that point. Chris has zero chemistry with his new wife and family, as well. Clearly he got married and had a daughter (when he wanted a son) as a failed attempt to get over Adrianna quickly.
Like it would be so cool being a mobster and some little zoomer shit starts mouthing off like this with their brittle little bones and pussy face. God it would be so cool to be a mobster just kill the shit out of anyone, instead of having to read or listen to some dumb little shits fricking thesis.
You should go for it. What's stopping you?
Going to prison and having benzodiazepine withdrawals. That’s honestly it.
I still don't understand why Chris didn't kill Tony. He was over the mafia. He didn't give a frick about Paulie or any of the other guys. He didn't care about his wife. Etc. I guess he had his daughter but still. She would have been taken care of and he must've known he was on borrowed time
he never manuged to get the drip on him
ngl, I often forget that scene until it comes up where Chrissy does that. Yeah, he was wrong for that, I really don't have an explanation other than he felt they were really friends in some twisted way and felt betrayed in some messed up fashion. Still, I think what Tony did was worse and Chrissy didn't deserve it for whatever messed up reason I've convinced myself of.
well for starters OP didn't ask about cwistafuh, just tone
Christopher sacrificed the love of his life and tried to stay on the straight for Tony, but all Tony did was ignore him and belittle him. Did JT deserve to die? No, and there's no moral justification for Christopher killing him. However, would Christopher have killed him if Tony showed him the least bit of appreciation towards him?
He sacrificed the love of his life not out of loyalty to Tony but fricking cowardice, laziness and greed. He saw that family of rednecks at the gas station and he balked at the idea of being a regular nobody, so he sent the love of his life / the one person truly, genuinely, unequivocally loyal to him, to her execution. Because he didn’t want to get a real job. Chrissy then relapses because deep down he realises what a fricking piece of shit he is and also realises by setting up Adriana to be killed he’s a bigger nobody, nothing sack of shit with nothing to live for than he would have been as a mailman.
And Tony murdered his own cousin. He could have had Chrissy whacked a dozen times and got nothing but praise for it for all the moronic shit Chrissy did but he didn’t. He murdered him not when he became inconvenient because he was always inconvenient, but when he realised Chrissy wasn’t worth saving anyway.
I think he murdered Chrissy because he sensed his loyalty to him was gone and he was now a serious liability (more than before), as in, there was a good chance he'd rat him out or whack him at some point himself.
i think he already did rat him out. the cat keeps staring at chrissy' s picture because he's a rat
The Jack Massarone debacle already established that hats can be used for audio surveillance and Chrissy was wearing the cleaver hat the night of his death so maybe.
also:
>song from The Wall plays moments before Chris dies
>Tony later says: a rat must have died in the wall
All that + the straw that broke the camel's back, the obvious relapse and Tony stares at the car seat with the tree branch in it. It was over the line. Tony has a soft spot for kids and animals.
That was just an excuse and they made a point to make it obvious that he was just coping by using it. Tony killed Chris for his own convenience.
>they made a point to make it obvious
They did dent. Tony loved animals and babies and all innocent little creatures, they made a point of showing that. Chris was a frickup and now he was risking his shitty kid’s life too.
Yeah you're still sympathizing with Tony's fake motivations. He mentions the baby seat repeatedly in the episode, including to two strangers at Chris' funeral out of nowhere because he wants to convince himself he was doing it for the greater good and not because it was the best move for himself strategically. He realizes by the end of the episode what kind of person he really is. He embraces his true nature in that episode during the drug trip. He realizes he can't hide from himself anymore.
Yeah you’re still sympathizing with a wife beating psychopath junky wannabe filmmaker that would inevitably kill his own baby because uhhh uhhh Tony felt bad about it and was grappling with it by talking about the main reason he did it over and over
No I'm not. I never once sided with Christopher. I said already he deserved his fate earlier in the thread. It's just a matter of understanding the basic themes of the show, not midwit siding with one fictional sociopath over another. Tony cared about Chris' daughter as much as he cared about Harpo when he brought him up to trigger Janice ("I'm the boy's uncle!" *smirks and chuckles*). https://youtu.be/uwFfcmvTatQ?t=169
They were all pieces of shit but if you're sympathizing with Tony for his false empathy then you've missed the point of the show.
>he’s a Janicegay too
Pseud detected, no reason to continue this conversation.
You're an idiot.
>it was le rationalizing… even though it was 100% correct he is still le wrong because he was thinking the wrong thoughts when he did it
Uh huh
Yeah we get it, you have an IQ of 80 and you wish you were Tony Soprano. Back to your Breaking Bad thread, now.
Yeah we get it, you relate to the loser junkie that only cares about himself.
No, I don't you mongoloid. We get it, you have no concept of characterization or the themes of this show. The nice thing about The Sopranos is it has levels to it so it can be enjoyed by drooling morons and intelligent people alike.
>dude I watched a video essay okay… so uhhh CHRISSY DIDN’T DESERVE IT
your new line of arguing would be more believable if it didn’t start with crying about a junky getting killed in a show when endless people got killed for less.
You're strawmanning because you have no argument and you are a moron. Chris deserved it 100% and I've said that multiple times but your peabrain still can't comprehend it. You think if I point out the bad things Tony does I'm taking another fictional character's side when I'm not because I'm capable of analyzing fiction from an objective standpoint. Kind of like how I anal-yze your mother.
You know who had a strawman? The Wizard of Oz
that was real? i saw that movie i thought it was bullshit
Tony tells to Milfi that he didnt give a frick about Chris and that he was to risky to have around anyway. And this was in a dream, so this was how he truly felt subconsciously.
>about Chrissy
>not about his baby
It was the straw that broke the camel’s back
>umm heh Tony only likes da aminals and babyz becuz he a sociopath, me smart
>but also he only killed chris for legitimate gangster reasons and didn’t care about da baby
>this means he bad!
you're a stupid frick you know that?
>u stupid!!!
>chrissy is my hero, I loved when he beat his loving girlfriend and whined while shooting up, he should have gotten a 74th chance!!!
Yeah you really are a stupid, incomprehensive frick aren't you? You should've been drowned at birth.
Yeah true dat
>Tony bad for killing a deranged junky. I still loved him after he killed his BFF pussy, and brutalized endless innocent people, but man killing Chris and Ralphie was too far man! Not to mention reminding Janice of reality, that was twisted!
Stupidity on this level should be illegal.
This. And also it should be illegal to make fun of your deadbeat sister that abandoned her son to LARP as a woodstock attendee.
I'd tell you to have a nice day but you would probably miss.
Sacre blue me copa
Shut the frick up moron.
UNDAH DA BOARDWALK WITH HIS SHLANG IN JANNIES MOUF
When you lie on your back do you have to make a conscience effort not to swallow your tongue?
heh.. you hear what i said to him? i said when you lie on your back do you have to make a conscience effort not to swallow your tongue.. heh heh
The baby seat thing was just him rationalizing anon. He turns into a stone stone cold sociopath at the end of the season. Season 5 tony would not clip hesh for nothing nor would he whack paulie simply for having loose lips and he surely would not have killed Chrissy too.
>Season 5 tony would not clip hesh for nothing
The only difference between season 5 and season 6 Tony is season 6 Tony has stopped deluding himself that the Mafia is a family and everybody's an honourable soldier and a loyal fellow brother-in-arms. He's realised it's all just vice and greed and evil and even if consciously he seems to embrace it subconsciously he's murderous with rage and resentment.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1441676828054147072
This is the scene just before he turns on Hesh. He talks about how all of his top guys are frickin murderers, and it's nice to go talk to Hesh, as a friend, because Hesh isn't violent or a killer. And then immediately after the clip, Hesh brings up the money he owes him. Immediately, business intrudes on the personal. Tony turns venomous towards Hesh because he takes it as a snub, a rejection, a repudiation of any genuine sentiment or affection. Hesh is just another parasite, just another jackal.
I don't know if Hesh "deserves" it. But the viewer's shock and disgust with Tony's behaviour is kinda moronic when you think about it. Tony DOESN'T like the loansharking extortionist who uses Mafia thugs as his personal golems? Tony DOESN'T like Paulie the treacherous malignant rat bastard traitor without a shred of loyalty? Oh, hold my posie, I'm gonna fricking swoon
Hahahahaha you forget she ratted tard?
Is this satire? He was on heroine and tony saw the baby seat get impaled. He knew Chrissy would never quit and it would kill his family one day.
Why does Tony get to be the judge? He also didn't change and ended up hurting his family.
We saw how Chrissie was a true victim of his environment. him being a product of a dysfunctional mobster dad to literally getting groomed by Tony. We also see how much he lost for his sacred ideals only to get disillusioned by it all at the end. The show humanizes him the most. Plus I think he flipped to the feds at the end which would also make him the character with the most growth
The entire angle for Tony being sympathetic was that he just wanted all that shit about family and loyalty to actually be true and not just a facade, but when it came down to it he was just as willing as the rest of the sociopaths around him to kill his own nephew for being a nuisance
>all that shit about family and loyalty
if it's all for nothing then what's the fricking point?
Personally, it was when he made Bobby kill an innocent civilian for beating him in that fight.
Why do you think the guy was innocent?
The only thing he did wrong was fighting for custody of his daughter with his girlfriend (who was the sister of a Montreal gangster). That's it. As someone who has argued over shared custody before (all is well now, but still) it kinda hit close to home. Guy looked like he was in his early twenties. They go out of their way to make the murder brutal and the bullet bouncing around in the washing machine I think represented Bobby's guilt never leaving him for it. There's also probably some symbolism of the guy being a drummer and the repetitive noise inside the washing machine drum. Also there's probably some connection to AJ playing the drums but idk. Either way, guy did essentially nothing wrong other than dating the sister of a gangster. Tony just wanted to punish Bobby without any regard for the lives of others.
wasn't Tony doing business?
Yeah the Montreal gangster basically said the guy was a headache and wanted him dealt with so he could focus on selling drugs instead.
>tony made bobby pop his cherry and risk his whole life on a murder one charge to murder a civilian to save $30,000 in a deal to buy expired arthritis medication to sell to seniors.
real stand up guy
bobby coming back a murderer to his young daughter is probably one of the biggest pieces of innocence that tony ever set out to shatter. he was a sadist.
Holy melodramatic. Would he take some pleasure in tainting the pure Bobby? Sure. That hit though was about control in a pragmatic sense, Bobby's married to his sister, is a high ranking captain, and he got one over on Tony in the fight, Tony has to be sure he can still take orders and reestablish dominance while conveniently getting a discount and deepening ties with a cross border associate.
>mafia member commits crimes for money
Whoa totally unrealistic
You have to see it from Tony's angle. He knew he took it easier on Bobby than he did the rest of the gang simply because he was his brother-in-law. He even flat out admitted to that and you could tell that Tony was becoming frustrated by that fact. So after Bobby beat Tony up, Tony could finally use that as his excuse to push harder against him. If Bobby was a big enough man to strike the boss, he was big enough to do murder. It's possible that was Tony's entire intent with insulting Janice.
>Bobby spends his life benefitting from other people risking their lives for money
>NOOOO TONY STOP DON’T MAKE BOBBY STOP LIVING UNDER DADDY’S FAME!!! NOO THIS IS WRONG TO MAKE BOBBY EXPERIENCE WHAT HE’S BENEFITTED FROM HIS ENTIRE FAT LIFE
I genuinely weep for you people
Real talk: You're Hispanic, aren't you?
Yeah ese me amo think Bobby should have thought about his moralgay identity before going along with mobshit mang. Barbra avoided it and has her own mucho grande life.
I still don't get how Bobby could get made without killing anyone, it's not like he was some massive earner either.
old man Baccala was a terminator in his day so bobby got grandfathered in
Tony had his dad and uncle be captains in the family and still had to prove himself.
When he gave Meadow her best friend's car
Chrissy got what was coming to him. He had relapsed hard by the time Tony put him to sleep
As for Bobby his time for talk a life was long overdue.
>we're in a situation where everybody involved knows the stakes; and if you're gonna accept those stakes you gotta do certain things
>When he gave Meadow her best friend's car
That was very cool honestly. It's hilarious that Tony didn't seem to understand what's even wrong with it.
It's not about Bobby, it's just fricked up he made him kill a civilian.
Shut the frick up, homosexual. The fact that you have to even mass-reply already exposes you as a brainlet.
They kill some fricking french leaf civilian dude because he's in a custody battle. Since it's a custody battle, I guarantee the wife is a fricking horrible c**t.
>this is Eric's car...
>ye 🙂
Sopranos is a comedy and you cannot convince me otherwise
It's one of the funniest shows of all time and I find more humor every time I watch it. Nothing will ever come close, I'm afraid.
I want to be like Tony
Like 4 episodes before the finale when the character completely changed because they realized they forgot to make him the bad guy
when he set up adriana with that fake call. manifestation of psychopathic evil. That was the moment I turned on him
I forgot about that shit. Fricking disgusting
tragic how Dickie Moltisanti's greatest desire before he died was to do everything in his power to make sure Tony didn't get tangled up in the mafia but instead, his death ends up being the driving force cementing the direction Tony would go, which would eventually lead to Tony killing Dickie's son Christopher
Not true at all. Dicky pushed Tony into the mob life in the lore. That dogshit movie is very inaccurate.
Not canon
these two c**ts deserve each other
Both cucked and yet at the same time not cucked by Furio
What did Carmella ever do?
lived a life off blood money, while constantly chiding Tony about his job
did you watch the FRICKING SHOW?
Imagine being someone who calls themselves a "Sopranos fan". Your day-to-day routine consists of repeatedly watching clips of the show over and over again while yelling quotes from the show at your monitor. You chuckle to yourself as you read the YouTube comments and see others repeating the same quotes you just yelled out.
After a 7 hour binge of clips you decide to go and eat "gabagool" because your entire pathetic existence revolves around The Sopranos and every moment of your life must be in some way shape or form, a reference to The Sopranos.
After eating 6 lbs of garbage deli meats you make your way to Cinemaphile, where you and the the only other two Sopranos fans proceed to shit up the board with quotes from the show and samegayging each other until the thread hits bump limit. Repeat for three hours.
Once you finally reach your point of no return you put on "Talking Sopranos" and make sure to have a last minute snack of 2lbs of gabagool before you fade out into a food coma while the sounds of hack Sopranos actors wax nostalgia over their glory days.
What a pathetic life to live.
It's "Basedpranos" not "Basedranos" you dumb frick
Too long, post it on reddit where it belongs
i couldn't even finish season 1 with all the family drama american tv nonsense
It made them look like a frickin' dysfunctional family.
I thought it was interesting to see a Mafia bosses family drama.
you're a brainlet if you think the sole point of the show is cool mobsters doing cool shit
Tony is trash but I liked the scene where he curb stomped the member from the New York family who suggested that his daughter should suck his dick
he deserved it. what kind of barely functioning moron do you have to be to say that to the bosses daughter
>When did you start rooting against him?
I'm not quite sure.
There were definitely a few things that bugged me before Season 3. I'd have to say when he killed Ralphie or Tony. It peaked with Chrissy but by that point it's all a big clusterfrick and the show is over anyway.
Killing Ralphie was cringe as frick. He’s such a big baby.
Killing Tony B was an act of mercy tho
The scene where Paulie makes jokes about Chrissy and his daughter working at the Bing when she grows up while everyone in the rooms laughs in his face is by far the most brutal Sopranos scene.
It always makes me sad.
That shit broke my heart
I get the feeling that Paulie wouldn't have made that joke if he wasn't in front of the entire crew
how do you not give paulie the eugene special atleast when he said that
it's established that hurting other members is allowed if they say shit about your family
moron didn't even hit by bobby in that carnival scene
maybe it had something to do with paulie being connected irl and directors not wanting to film anything too insulting
Jesus Christ bunch of sensitive snowflakes here. Do you also cry when someone says a naughty word?
Grow some balls homosexuals.
Nobody said anything about crying moron.
Ok but seriously, how do you answer this without sounding mad?
Chris mocked Adriana and beat the shit out of her, he mocked Vito for being a gay and wanted to mutilate his wiener lol frick Chrissyspergs
>he mocked Vito for being a gay
So?
>NOOO YOU CAN’T MAKE FUN OF CHRIS FOR BEING A PIECE OF SHIT THAT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY RAISE A prostitute
>hehe vito’s medication troubles that’s hilarious, what a gay gay! I want to feed him his own wiener too!
>vito’s medication troubles that’s hilarious
Yes, it was a very funny joke.
Never. He was a monster from the beginning, and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not a mutt, so I don't need to reduce everything I see to a simplistic good vs evil battle where I root for the good guys.
It’s not about watering it down to good vs evil. That wasn’t the question. Read
I did. I can't think of anything that would diminish his charm. Like I said, he was a predator from before we even saw him. Some of the more common answers ITT, like him killing his own (Christopher, Ralphie) strikes me as less evil than what he just does for a living, day-to-day.
There you go again with the good/evil shit. It’s just about when if ever you stopped rooting for him. You can root for a character regardless of their moral standing. For example me and all the anons who were on Chris’s side known that he too was quite awful. You’re the only one bringing up good and evil.
Then I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. Why would you ever root against him? He never crosses any lines he hasn't crossed before.
>Why would you ever root against him?
I don't know. That's the point of the thread. Again, the question is not
>Do you think Tony is a good or bad person?
It's simply
>When did you stop rooting for him?
That could be when he wore a fricking outfit you don't like. I don't know. It's a personal question. And for me, what he did to Bobby, Ralphie, and Christopher was just fricking stupid, incompetent (as a boss), petty, and vile (from an honor among thieves sort of perspective))
I stopped rooting for Tony when he cruelly gave away the jaackkeeeetttttt to that fricking Czech immigrant. That was a good faith olive branch gift by Richie all he had to do was keep it.
Good call. The jacket didn’t flatter Tony at all but it was a fricking gift
I don’t understand this mentality of “rooting” for a character like he’s your favourite WWE wrestler or football star. Is this an American thing? Is this how you watch movies and TV shows, hooting and clapping and cheering on the “hero”?
You’re supposed to empathise and relate with the characters while also being appalled and disgusted by their moral degeneration. All of them. Not just Tony. Just such a dumb, adolescent thing to watch the Sopranos and come out of it with the shocking revelation that “Tony bad!!!”
No shit.
Are you braindead? I specifically said there’s nothing about having a character you’re pulling for that implies you see that character as a hero or reducing it to “X character bad!!” Read the fricking posts your responding too. God damn all you fricking zoomers man. Frick.
> You’re supposed to empathise and relate with the characters while also being appalled and disgusted by their moral degeneration.
And this irrelevant drivel if how I know you’re from the breaking bad generation
>blah blah blah I root for tv characters like they’re a football team
Gotcha, so you ARE moronic
>l-l-lol you’re a z-zoomer
Nice argument shit for brains
>something about Breaking Bad
Your entire attitude to watching TV is pure Breaking Bad, pure Reddit. You want to root for le epic bad man as he does cool evil badass things and you seethe whenever a character does something “””cringe”””. Absolute loser
>Gotcha, so you ARE moronic
Nice argument.
>Your entire attitude to watching TV is pure Breaking Bad
No use in going back and forth with you after that. I'm actually stunned you can say that with a straight face. But if you really watched Sorpranos and didn't have any character(s) that you wanted to see "win" or have a "happy ending" so to speak, well then I don't know what to tell you.
>I want Tony to win the Mafia!!! I hope he ends up as Godfather just like Michael Corleone or like in Breaking Bad where Walt’s like “I won” and he’s like an awesome badass kingpin!!!
You have to go back.
No anon. No. You're strawmanning me. Why can't you have an actual conversation like an adult? Answer this very simple question for me with one word. Did you or did you not, while watching Sorpranos, have any characters you were "pulling for" or wanted to see make it out in one piece? Or maybe find fulfillment? Anything of that sort
>Why can’t you have an adult conversation and speak to me in a civilised way, like I - the thinking man’s wrestling fan - am doing?… you fricking Breaking Bad gen zoomer!?!? I hate you!!!
Ahaha, brilliant. Truly you’re a paragon of maturity.
>something something happy ending
The Sopranos is a tragedy in the Classical Greek/ Shakespearean sense in that the hero is ultimately destroyed by his fatal flaw. The structure of the series invites you to want and hope that Tony overcomes his fatal flaw and when he doesn’t, to regret his failure to do so. Tony’s flaw is his refusal of any self-awareness and his stubborn, selfish, resentful unwillingness to change - he’d rather hang on to his grudges and hide behind his traumas as an excuse for his actions. I don’t watch the show wanting him to become a more successful mob boss. I also don’t want Tony to die or fail for his sins because I didn’t turn against him and start rooting against him for acting exactly the same as not only he but every other mobster in the show always had and always did - selfishly, impulsively, and callously. He was like that from the start. It makes literally zero sense to me that you would start the series aligning yourself with a lying murdering criminal and then decide that said murderer’s latest murder was just a bridge too far because it was… what? “Cringe”? “Unfair?” What? Because all the other murders were sensible rational prudent just and fair, weren’t they. They were all Machiavellian masterpieces.
I feel as though I'm speaking to deaf ears because you continue to bring morality and good vs evil into this but regardless. You said a lot of good things. None that I particularly disagree with. I don't think we're in disagreement. Our views on the show can co-exist. I wanted to see Tony get his head split open, like Chris did. He was my least favorite Machiavellian masterpiece as you put it. And you in many beautiful words simply stated that you wanted to see the fireworks regardless of what happens to who. That's fine.
Yes anon, they're all bad people. No I didn't miss the point. Your post is great. I'll put it to you this way, Chris was my favorite bad person and Tony was my least favorite. Arguing with you two has been like speaking with brick walls.
>I wanted to see Tony get his head split open, like Chris did.
Yes and that’s why we’ve been arguing -because our two positions are mutually incompatible because I think that’s fricking dumb
>because our two positions are mutually incompatible
They aren't. You can view the show as a character study and all that and still take a side.
>The Sopranos is a tragedy in the Classical Greek/ Shakespearean sense
there is no tragedy if you dont give a frick about any of the characters ya moron
>rooting against tony
Www.reddit.com/r/thesopranos
kino
She was the hottest and coolest woman Tony ever had. Breaking up with her was a mistake.
While all this is true, the biggest mistake you can make is breaking up with a BPD woman. The second biggest mistake you can make is dating them in the first place.
Nah svetlana is best girl
base
I just started watching Season 3, I was rooting for the feds all episode. Is the microphone they plant ever useful?
Close this thread. You’re gonna ruin the show for yourself
Good point, bye
Meadow takes it to her dorm before it gives them anything important.
Yeah Tony goes to jail for most of season 4
Everyone in the Sopranos has their charm, and I was rooting for everyone to do their best. Except Janice. I don't like petty schemers.
Most of them are petty schemers though.
so did eugenes brother whack tony?
Patsy, Bobby and Richie all wore Member's Only jackets as well throughout the series.
Chase recently confirmed it was the Vipers.
It was Jamal Ginsburg
The Hasidic Homeboy?
The charcoal briquette?
I'm surprised no one mentioned Artie. The way Tony has been emasculating him throughout the show is one of the more cruel things he does.
Forgot all about that. Arty was a good fricking man. And a good friend. And Tony just treated him like shit. Lied to him about blowing up his restaurant for the whole show
If he hadn't blown it up there would have been a mafia hit taking place in his fricking restaurant it is unironically better off the way it went. His wife was already unhappy about his friendship with Tony and mafia patronage imagine how she'd react if Junior's fricking hit went through?
I know Tony did it for a good reason. But he should have just told Arty and gave him some dignity
Are you moronic? Tony telling a civilian that his superior (on paper) in the mafia was going to commit a murder basically breaks every rule about the mafia. He would be killed for it.
Arty knew everything stop being obtuse. He didn’t ever have to tell him directly. Could have just told him that his restaurant had to go or something
>Arty knew everything stop being obtuse
the fbi also "knew everything" even though technically tony is a manager at a waste company
>breaks every rule about the mafia
Artie always knew Tony was a mobster and Tony breaks every rule in the mafia book
Artie isn't in the mob, he's not allowed to tell him.
I'm not sure if Artie is a good friend. My impression is that he was Tony's hanger-on from childhood and their relationship hasn't really progressed beyond that, despite what either of them wanted to do at times. Artie seems to admire and resent Tony's wealth, influence, and force of will. They often tried to act like friends but were always separated by an invisible wall that's almost like a class divide. Artie is the one that serves and Tony is the one that eats. He struck me more and more as a pitiable dork than a good man struggling between doing what's right and being with his mob friends.
Tony was good to Artie. He was very forgiving at s6 considering he got more sociopathic after the coma
was artie right about him when he told him about that epiphany regarding his true nature?
When Artie first gets the loan from tony and tony just goes "yeah, and ill only charge you 1.5 points on it too, much better than other guys :)" what a slime ball
Artie emasculated him in childhood, so I don’t see the issue
Kino of the highest order.
I never liked him but I wanted him to die when he killed based Ralph
I never rooted for any of them
I was indifferent about tony all the way up until the very end. Not exactly rooting for him but not going against him either. Nothing he ever did was beyond the pale for a person in his position. It was all just more of the same. Idk how to say it. But it seems odd to me how some people in this thread have a line in the sand for him to cross to become officially “bad” or unlikeable.
This, he's a mob boss, he's a violent criminal right off the bat.
Like he was a mobster. Bad/unlikeable is his default. Instead you should look at the things that humanized him and moved him away from that default.
Beating up Ralph because he killed Tracy was one of those moments for me.
Tony Blundetto did nothing wrong and is by far my favorite character. Imagine a war with New York with Chris, Furio and that animal Blundetto in Tony's crew. Their pygmy thing would actually stand a chance.
He did everything wrong.
>blows through 10k dollars in 1 night like it's nothing
>gets involved with the mafia again after having one of the easiest outs he could ask for
I think he should have his IQ reteshted
Perfectly understandable behaviour. Death is a preferable alternative to being a wagie.
I don't understand these Tony vs. Christopher arguments. Both of them were evil in their own ways, but both were sympathetic in their own ways as well. In the end, both of them deserved their fates because they both refused to get off their own self-destructive paths they'd made for themselves, despite the opportunities they were given to do so.
When he went ahead and ordered some for the table
He was a good guy, basically.
new kino
Could Walter defeat the entire NJ and NYC crew?
Waltuh pros:
>bullshit powerlevel/chemistry stuff
>would easily be considered a top earner if A) Tony lightened his stance on drugs and B) he was working for the crew, which would mean T would need at least 1 full episode to steel his resolve to kill him
>potential holdover friends to call on for help depending on which season Waltuh we're talking
>good strategist
Tone Pros:
>most of the times Walt avoided death were thanks to people needing him or taking pity on him. Neither is a problem for Tony.
>larger network of relatively loyal people in comparison to Walt's reluctant allies or hired guns
Might give the edge to Tony just because they'd simply shoot Walt the first time he did something seriously bad for business but Walt with prep time or Pollos backup should destroy the glorified crew.
something about this show brings out the worst in morons, midwits, and smart people
true all i want to do is beat people up for mildly insulting me after watching this show
What was the point of Dr. Melfi getting raped? It was never brought up again
Moral test for her character. She had the ability to have the guy killed fairly easily but didn't, so she keeps her soul intact.
Thus making mommy the best character in the whole show!
Her and Tony's relationship is defined by Tony pushing boundaries and trying to get her to be one of his girls, and Melfi resisting his advances despite various temptations. Her not using Tony to get revenge on her rapist shows us her dedication to her craft, and her moral fortitude.
I thought as much. Figured I missed something though since her resolution is just her husband bringing up a study that somehow convinces her after years and years of futility that she was wasting her time
>is just her husband bringing up a study that somehow convinces her after years and years of futility that she was wasting her time
It was her therapist. And it's been a slow and steady process for her. She tried to pass him along a few times. Her having the truth rubbed in her face so bluntly by her therapist/colleague and her friends was the final straw.
the viewer who has identified with Tony also wants to frick Melfi, or see her fricked.
her constant refusal of Tony leads to vicarious rejection and anger
seeing her brutally creampied comes as pornographic coombait at that point in the series.
having it on screen adds nothing that isn't bait
>or see her fricked.
Yeah but in a slow beautiful sexy way. What we got was disgusting. And it didn't even matter, she got over getting fricking raped in like a week
it was 100% coombait to see the professional, demure, mommy therapist with good boundaries literally getting creampied against her will while she moans and screams, on-screen.
she was even wearing the fetish clothes.
100% coombait.
they could've had the same plot point take place while not putting in a scene for jerking off
what did he whisper?
After Ralphies death he lost control, but was still redeemable. After he tried to frick Adriana, he was a scumbag. After he had Vito Jr dragged to Elvis country just bc he lost a bet, he was irredeemable
>was still redeemable.
Redeemable how?
where did vito jr. go? is he not coming back?
>neutrally observe a bunch of moronic buttholes bump heads for 80 hours
or
>hoping my favorite moronic butthole comes out with the least bruises
which is the point of the show
kino
HO! I AM NOT CRAZY! I am not crazy! Let me tell ya a coupla tree tings. I know they're nothing but a glorified crew! I've known it for 20 years. One after grilled cheese on the radiator. As if I could evah make such a mistake. Nevah. Nevah! I just – I just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he killed fat Dom when he went to Jersey. You think this is somethin? You think dis is bad? Dis? Dis askewery? He's done worse. My brudda in law! Are you telling me that a man just happens to be a wienersucka like that? No! He orchestrated it! Tony! He LET THAT ANIMAL BLUNDETTO KILL MY KID BRUDDA BILLY! And I took his fat frickin hand in friendship! And I shouldn't have. I let him into my own esplanade deal! What was I thinkin? He'll nevah change. He'll nevah change! Ever since 20 years ago, always the same! Couldn't stop sayin I look like da sha of Iran! But not our Tony! Couldn't be precious Tony! Ball breaking them blind! And he gets to be a Boss!? Make me sick! I shoulda told dat wienersucka to go back to New Jersey when I had da chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-
who cares lol
He killed Chrissy because he was a drug addict wreck and a liability, if Chrissy didn't want to live that life he could have just taken his money and gone straight. He killed Ralph because he killed that girl and conflated it with the horse psychologically.
Most of the other characters he had to deal with were turbo douchebags compared to him and his way of squaring off against them and dealing with their bullshit was supremely based "don't give me your fricking Manson lamps". If he made a few errors here and there, so what, every armchair general imagines they would have done everything perfectly with perfect information and would have the balls to do it.
Nothing he did was especially despicable or contemptible.
the cat was looking at a rat
HO!
This guy is more creative than Spielberg.
as soon as i realized he was a literal face stuffing fatso aka s2
>mocking Janice for trying to improve herself
>killing Ralph for possibly killing a horse in order to collect insurance money to help his disabled kid
>acting like a dick to Hesh after he loaned money from him
>
Hesh is a israelite so he deserved it.
how was he acting like a dick to hesh
he was paying interest doesn't hesh earn more if tony pays bit by bit
jews invented usury
IT WAS A FRICKIN HORSE
this dude was too based to die so soon
he was constantly on a sigma male grind
Paulie: You're late
Ralphie: I can be on time tomorrow, but you'll be stupid forever
kek
You’re not supposed to be rooting for anything in this show. It’s a character study of an entire cast of hateable people
>you cant root for a hateable person
Can you really blame Tony for trying to frick Dr. Melfi?
I never liked this show to begin with. Second gen Italians are noxious cretins. Why would I watch Jersey Shore: israeli Italian Edition?
>Tony: look at these buildings around here most of them falling down into the ground, but that church is still standing...
>you know why, cause our people give a shit
>every sunday italians from the neighbourhood they drive miles to come here to pray...
>to keep this place alive
>AJ: so how come we never do
>*long silence*
>Tony: buy land AJ, cause god ain't making any more of it
>it's like a weight loss ads
>before
>and way before
I kek'd so many times from paulie and his jokes and the moment he repeats them. What'syour favorite ball buster from the show?
anything that targeted the characters i didn't like
When he killed Ralph over a horse
Isn't it kind of cheap narrative device to have a literal psychologist on the show to have the main character frequently spill his thought and feelings to? And then even have her provide so kind of analysis and commentary?
Almost everything Tony says to Melfi he is either lying to her or lying to himself
Melfi serves as an arena for Tony to refine and parade his false-self.
How so? Smells like typical pseud video essay garbage to me.
Did you watch the show? Everything he said in there was him trying to justify himself and rationalise away his guilt or responsibility rather than honestly reflecting on his life or his actions. This whole scene epitomises Tony's bullshit.
Tony claims he's a soldier. Is he a soldier when he murders Chrissy? Is he following a code when he murders Ralphie? As soon as he's challenged on his bullshit it's all poverty of the Mezzigiorno/ underdog mythology shit
Funny how Sammy the Bull says the same thing.
kek, I hate that guy
What's Tony deluding himself got to do with Christopher at all?
>Tony deluding himself
He did that from the start. But oddly enough, it’s only Chris’s death, and Janice being held accountable for her selfish lifestyle, that seems to make people get upset. Weird, since Chris did much worse stuff to even more innocent folks throughout the show.
>He did that from the start.
I know, that's my point. Criticising Tony in reply to that one comment isn't a defence of Chrissy
>Criticising Tony in reply to that one comment isn't a defence of Chrissy
And the gehoxagogen is framed up by the ramistam.
Killing Chrissie was the last straw. Hope he died in that restaurant
Chrissy was the worst guy in the glorified crew. Cruel and evil to everyone, even the love of his life. Whiny junkie loser.
The show was garbage and only low iq people like it so me personally it never began
Also sorry for bullying you but you're also a pos and should kys including the mod that jannies me
I heard he came all over the sunvisor
I wonder whatever happened to best girl?
>The show was garbage and only low iq people like it so me personally it never began
>Also sorry for bullying you but you're also a pos and should kys including the mod that jannies me
Kys FMD or COMFY fricking loser on 4 Chan TV board
HES STILL AT IT
>you were like a moulinyan to me
>Kys FMD or COMFY fricking loser on 4 Chan TV board
Oh it's volky
Still dreaming of me r u cucky
why do sopranos threads attract all the biggest zoomer psychos? it's like they're trying to assert themselves by destroying the cultural pillar or golden calf of the age that bore them and the best they can manage to grab at to tear down is fricking sopranos lol
>rooting for/against anyone
pleb
he was never 'charming'
charismatic perhaps but not charming
whats the point in that distinction
ralphie was a good earner but literally everyone wanted him dead, and him dying wasnt just about the horse
I’m about to begin watching this show. Any advice / stuff I need to know going in?
seems like we all agree that killing ralphie and chirsy was where the line was drawn. good thread.