Of all the issues with the ST, the biggest gripe Lucashounds have is the main storythread carried over from Lucas' treatment.
Almost as if these losers never cared for whatever story/lesson George tried to tell; they just want more Ep3 twirly saber fights.
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>following the betrayal of one of his students
even Lucas wouldn’t have written it the way The Last Johnson did, though
yeah, and of all the arguments, you chose a debunked fake one
>debunked fake one
>whatever Disney publishes in their official books about their own films must be true
it’s not even about whether it’s true or not (I assume it is true that Lucas’ episode 7 would have a young woman apprentice for Luke), that doesn’t change the fact that The Last Johnson purposely set out to make an anti-Star Wars film and did just that, and people who liked Star Wars weren’t pleased with the result.
Rian doesn't hate Star Wars, he hates the self-indulgent fanboy interpretation of it, which is more about worshipping the brand and established iconography of the franchise, seeking reward for an encyclopedic knowledge of lore textbooks instead of emotional and spiritual engagement with the films.
Star Wars are fun, stupid, little adventure movies based around deliberately corny melodrama, low budget antics, and goofy humor. It's not some sprawling epic and nobody ever wanted it as a "franchise".
It's why TLJ is the best because it was self-aware enough to understand what Star Wars is and point it out to the audience. It's literally taking what the prequel spergs fanatically argue about 24/7 on their little message boards and having a laugh at it, because Star Wars isn't meant to be taken seriously.
>Rian doesn't hate Star Wars
I never said he did
>Star Wars isn't meant to be taken seriously
Exactly. It’s meant to be a fun action-adventure space fantasy movie, but The Last Johnson didn’t make that. He thought he was too good for that and instead took the opportunity to “deconstruct” Star Wars and purposely give the audience exactly what they didn’t want, which is not what Star Wars is “really about” at all.
I see you people defending The Last Jedi like this and I don’t entirely disagree. The JJ Abrams version of the story where Palpatine comes back was soulless and I understand why Johnson wanted to avoid that. However, it doesn’t change the fact that Luke was considering murdering his young nephew, Princess Leia’s child, while he was sleeping. For all the flaws of the Last Jedi, if you just tweaked that plot point people would be considerably more positive on the movie.
I’ve always thought this. The entire thing could be redeemed just by changing the flashback. It wouldn’t make it a great film by any measure but it would at least not be a divisive franchise killer.
Just have Luke be naive and optimistic like he was before, but then he’s unable to save one of his students (Snoke) from turning to the dark side, so when he senses even a little darkness in Ben (and several other children) he sends them away rather than train them, and this sends them straight into the arms of Snoke. It’s not that hard to make a depressed, cynical Luke whose school failed without betraying who the character is. They did that on purpose because Luke is a straight white male and they didn’t want him to be in any way superior to Rey. Unfortunately it really is that political, and that simple.
First off, we never would've gotten the "JJ Abrams version of the story" where Palpatine comes back had the spergs simply kept quiet.
Second, it is simply wrong to say that Luke's moment with sleeping Ben Solo is out of character. It is absolutely within character. Yoda tells Obi-Wan to kill Anakin. Obi-Wan tells Luke to kill Anakin. Obi-Wan agrees to do it. Luke refuses. It sounds harsh, but Yoda is right in both cases. If you have magic abilities to foresee a threat and you sense millions of deaths issuing from one man's turn to the dark, you end the threat. You should think about killing Young Hitler if someone foresees his future. That responsibility comes before your personal feelings. Or, at least, it's good leadership to think that way.
When Luke sees Ben's future, he reacts instinctively to this wisdom. He is a leader. He should end the threat before it becomes real.
Then the better part of him--the Luke we know--stops himself. That is Luke. It's not out of character to be tempted. It is out of character if he tried to go through with it. He did not. The logic of those who criticize this scene suggests that Luke really tried to kill Ben. Rather, he did exactly what he has done in the past: saw great evil and refused to allow it to lead him on a path to murder, despite what others might counsel.
He did exactly what he did in ROTJ: gave into instinct and then overcame instinct. That makes it IN character.
Luke is presented with the chance to kill Vader in Return of the Jedi and doesn’t. He believes there’s still good in him and he’s right. The “character arc” or “lesson learned” is that nobody is beyond redemption, so to see him instinctively draw his lightsaber in ep7 is literally a step backwards for the character and erases his journey in ep6.
It’s a silly plot point, and much too tonally cynical for Star Wars. So he was going to murder his teenage nephew over a vision. Well, he wasn’t actually, he was just standing over his sleeping body with his raised lightsaber and rage in his eyes, but the teenager woke up and couldn’t tell the difference. If Rian Johnson could go back and tweak the scene I bet he would.
>I understand why Johnson wanted to avoid that
How on Earth did killing Snoke half way through do anything to stop 'Somehow, Palpatine has returned' ???
>self-indulgent
Explain.
>Star Wars are fun, stupid, little adventure movies based around deliberately corny melodrama, low budget antics, and goofy humor.
So why wasn't TLJ like this?
it was rebunked chud, stay seething
the only story SW had left to tell was that of young palpatine and darth plagueis, but several movies and shows later we still dont have that.
WTF are you talking about? Is it about your Sky Wars shit again? Why don't you leave your room for once, why don't you have a girlfriend?
That's not the biggest gripe but ok. It's not even the biggest gripe about Luke. His death is a bigger one.
Also from George's treatment.
The way he died not his death in general
>Lucashounds
I hate the prequels, too.
If only Disney knew what to do.....
They could copy the cómics
The games , the old movies and still be relevant and rich
>Grow up never knowing your father
>Spend years fighting a galactic-scale war by virtue of being the "chosen one," knowing at any second you or your friends could die
>All the members of your religion have been completely wiped out by the bad guys who routinely abuse entire planets
>By the time you reconcile with your father he's minutes away from dying
>B-b-b-but my Christ figure would never, EVER think (JUST *THINK* BY THE WAY, NOT ACTUALLY DO) of murdering his nephew having already lost one of the most important people in his life - so important that he was willing to surrender his own life for - to the Sith, not to mention potentially losing everyone else in his life to space Hitler
"People" who get up in arms about Luke merely considering, for a brief moment, murdering Ben have never lost anything in their lives, never achieved anything of note, and never had to wrestle with real consequences. You can call TLJ a bad movie, but to cite this single scene as even one of the reasons for that is completely moronic.
Yeah, not at all convincing. Both arcs can exist together. Luke learns that no one is beyond redemption. Then Luke grapples with his instinctual reaction to kill his nephew to potentially save the galaxy from years of suffering; AKA, even if he could redeem this person, how long would it take, and how much would Luke, his friends, and the galaxy stand to lose now that they've fought so hard for peace? If you were older than 18 you'd realize that people don't become static manifestations of their "life lessons" once they overcome a single obstacle. Luke Skywalker was never God and he was never a perfect hero, regardless of how much the neckbeard manchildren would like him to be.
Not trying to convince you of shit. You're objectively wrong as demonstrated by the hundred million fans who lost interest so hard in their movies that Disney shelved them for the last half decade. At this point, you're just a moronic trying to hook two braincells together so you can understand the simple situation surrounding star wars
TLJ is garbage. People didn't like it because it sucked. Pretending that isn't the case is delusional and transparent.
Cope, seethe, etc.
he also considered making Han Solo a giant fat green alien with scales, it was a early failed rough draft idea he was shooting around with. IRL Lucas hates how Disney treated Luke
You could do betrayal, exile and spiritual darkness without it being as dumb as TLJ.
Star wars was always shit now you please move on from this sorry excuse of a franshise