Gandalf, I know we just trekked through Dwarven mountains to end up at a Dwarven door leading to the inside of a Dwarven fortress, and you didn't tell us what language was on the front of the Dwarven door, but what's the Elvish word for friend?
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Gandalf, vad är melon på engelska
my homie
BIG MELONS
frodo knows a bit of elvish though bilbo taught him, so he could tell what language the riddle on the door was in
if anything the """"plot hole"""" would be why he didn't know the word for friend
Iirc gandalf literally says it's elvish
Actually they just trekked through Hollin which was Elvin country and a mountain pass is a mountain pass. At any rate Dwarf's use a whole different alphabet to Elves
that's what makes it a good riddle
>NiG-GER
why couldn't gandalf figure it out? it's so frickin obvious
I don't know Elvish but I like to think the original phrasing makes the solution less obvious
It's meant to keep orcs out, and orcs can't read
how do they know what a menu is if they cant read?
Maybe the menu is just a sequence of pictures. First picture, bread with maggots. Second picture, meat. Third picture ice cream.
Orcs hadn't invented a printing press, let alone photography. And fine art is heavily discouraged in Mordor as they value stem subjects, especially engineering.
It's extremely improbable, bordering on impossible, that they had menus comprised of pictures.
Yeah but these were Uruk-Hai from Isengard and you just know that anyone that would call themselves Saruman of Many Colours would enjoy the arts
>Orcs hadn't invented a printing press, let alone photography.
They had rockets and ironclad ships in the Second Age.
Those were Numenoreans
Orcs hate the sea
A menu doesn't have to be a physical list. Just the details of the meal alone could be considered a menu
Gandalf, what's the Orcish word for "menu"?
A common misconception.
But we actually have irrefutable evidence that orcs can read as they have menus, and this would be nonsensical unless they could them
Why didn't Frodo put the One Ring in his wiener? I doubt Sauron would want to touch that, or he'd be considered gay.
>in
You mean on, right? haha?
Frodo was a cunning bastard
>Speak, friend, and enter.
>Speak "friend" and enter.
Elvish punctuation is insufficient.
>say goodbye Raquel
>"goodbye Raquel"
Bravo Tolkien
The door was made specifically to let elves in at a time when things were less tense between the races.
Also in the book Gandalf figures it out pretty quickly.
its a riddle, whats the hebrew word for friend?
Muttmerican
>It's some form of Elvish, I can't read it
Gee it's almost like Frodo could recognize Elvish script just an hour or so earlier in the film.
And they had been walking through the Elvish ruins of Eregion.
Why didn't Legolas the Elf solve the riddle? Was he working for Sauronman too?
He couldn't read.
Why not? Was he stupid?
Yes, but his mother loved him, more than anything, more than life.
he's just like me
3000 year old virgin?
Not yet but that's only a matter of time now.
There are multiple Elvish languages
The point of the scene is that it wasn't actually a riddle like Frodo says. Back when the door was built the Elves and Dwarves were allies, so all any Elf had to do was say the inscription out loud (since it already has "mellon" or whatever the word is in it) and he would be let in, since the dwarves trusted them.
But since LOTR is set in a time when the old alliances have fractured, the Fellowship misinterprets the inscription as a riddle to keep Elves out. It wasn't. it was actually just a greeting, and Gandalf or Legolas could have easily opened the gate by reading the inscription out loud. This is made clear in the book.
Elrond knew they were going east and might have to pass through Moria. Why didn't that guy say "hey, just in case you go to the Moria gate, say Big Juicy Melons to enter"?
because they weren't planning to go through Moria, it was the third choice
So? Elrond knew the mountain might get upset at them which would cause them to go South instead. And Moria was always an option even if not their preferred one. Wouldn't be a hard thing to think they might need.
Again, because the door's inscription is not a riddle. All an Elvish-speaker has to do is read the inscription aloud and it will open. Elrond couldn't have known that they'd misinterpret it like they did.
Folks. The fact of the matter is these movies are deeply flawed films. You need to stop seeing them with rose colored glasses and start enjoying some of the new media that corrects a lot of deficiencies in the Jackson films and Tolkien in general. Have you checked out Rings of Power?
Why didn't they simply cancel Sauron on Twitter?
The writing on the door was Elvish