I mean... Tomiyuki Tanaka has stated multiple occasions that Godzilla is a monster, not a dinosaur. Heck he was going to be an octopus until he stepped in. This case Godzilla was supposed to be a mix of animals be it a Lion, a Iguanodon, and even a whale
It's intentional because humans relate to mammalian faces more than reptilian ones. Japanese people also like their creature designs to have elements of cuteness even when they're supposed to be scary. This is different from the contemporary American design philosophy, which always makes movie monsters grotesque or what the designers believe would be biologically realistic. You can see this in the 1998 American design where they basically just made it a giant T-Rex ripped from Jurassic Park with some Stegosaurus spines, because that's what Godzilla is "supposed" to be without taking into account any of the pathos that comes with the character. The Legendary design is also somewhat like this, but Toho had more influence over it.
I don't respect the Oscars. Stop celebrating this win. The G-1 crew should throw that woke award in the trash. By the way, it's not Oscar anymore, it's Oscarita, of course it still looks like a man though because you can always tell.
Yes. Special Effects is the ultimate "You tried, but unfortunately you're a genre flick, so the council does not recognize you as attaining the rank of kino".
If the Titanic was sunk by a giant reptile instead of an iceberg, it would only have won best special effects and not been nominated for anything else.
It's a shame Godzilla wasn't nominated for sound, editing, cinematography and other technical awards or even best picture and foreign. It might have won more. Unfortunately, it's widely known that the technical awards are controlled by the unions and it's basically a popularity contest among the good ol' boy network. So there's no chance a foreign movie or outsider will ever even be nominated for those awards.
Considering how Minus One ended she'll probably appear in a Shin Godzilla 2 crossover as the equivalent of Giant Naked Rei vs Galaxy Eating Godzilla as it continues to evolve after the first movie and expand out into the cosmos.
Frick that, I want to see Noriko and Kooichi rise a family in post-war Japan with no Godzilla in sight
Maybe Japs should make a movie that accurately portrays the war crimes they committed in Asia, since their school system won't educate their own citizens about that.
Kameko, the only director with the balls to do it.
I liked Minus One but it's disappointing that a movie taking place during American occupation just brushed that under the rug.
Minus One is more or less America positive >first mention of America is Koichi speaking positively of American milk product >America's role in Godzilla's creation is brushed over by montage >only American shown onscreen is MacArthur, who Japan worships as a god >America's lack of aid is always accompanied by a mention that they need to be weary of the Soviets
>one movie
Not good enough. Germany has comprehensibly owned up to their involvement in the war through legislation and education. Japan still refuses to acknowledge its role in the rise of worldwide fascism and used its status as a cultural superpower to try to get dumb weebs to defend them.
still bitter that your ''Japan is Weird and they exploit their workers'' narrative didnt worked?
>one movie
Not good enough. Germany has comprehensibly owned up to their involvement in the war through legislation and education. Japan still refuses to acknowledge its role in the rise of worldwide fascism and used its status as a cultural superpower to try to get dumb weebs to defend them.
>Germany has comprehensibly owned up to their involvement in the war through legislation and education
and look at the negative consequences of that, it's become the core of their national identity, must be terrible for their mental health
Hyun pls
I know you’re upset that Japan got two Oscars this year and Korea none but you shouldn’t be so bitter all the time
Kameko, the only director with the balls to do it.
I liked Minus One but it's disappointing that a movie taking place during American occupation just brushed that under the rug.
I wanted to see more black market shantytown kino, it was there but quickly replaced by the reconstruction process
>Insomniac Spiderman 2 gets cucked out of all 7 awards it was nominated for at the game awards by Baldur's Gate and Zelda >Spiderverse cucked out of it's Oscar by Miyazaki
Godzilla's already done that and it was refreshing that it went with "Imperial Japan bad" by from a different angle. Reminds me of Mizuki's Showa and that book of him in the army that showcased just how dehumanizing and inhumane the IJA and IJN were to the men in its ranks.
I'm pretty sure almost all people like you have never looked up actual Japanese textbooks for middle schoolers at all
Most of them mention that the Japanese army killed lots of people including women and kids and was internationally condemned at least
>omg this series based around the idea of complex feelings of a nation and it's involvement with WW2 needs to dumb down the entire perspective so its fits MY world view and MY completely different ideas about how films SHOULD work
Films aren't for you
Anon, this is movie about the citizens of Japan mostly.
Do you think everyone in WW2 wanted to do war crimes? Do you think that EVERY single Japanese person was part of Unit 731 and the Rape of Nanking? That every American was in on the firebombings? That every German was all for the Holocaust?
War crimes, as horrible as they are, do not illustrate an entire nation's behavior. At least that's what I think
>Do you think everyone in WW2 wanted to do war crimes? Do you think that EVERY single Japanese person was part of Unit 731 and the Rape of Nanking? That every American was in on the firebombings? That every German was all for the Holocaust?
Yes
Sloppenheimer+Godzilla is the ultimate double feature though.
Spielberg
I remember that guy from Godzilla vs King Ghidorah.
Japs got sick of Godzilla in the 90's and 00's because Toho was making it an annual thing with movies that were very rehashed and derivative. It's the same reason why Americans are sick of Marvel today.
Whenever a Japanese movie becomes successful, someone will always start talking about WW2, but it's really funny that the only way to say bad things about Japan is to go back 80 years.
>its entire history
PLEASE shut the frick up with this meme shit. Japan was incredibly willing to interact with its neighbors: China, Korea, SEA for centuries at a time. The first written record we even have of the place is thanks to a delegation visiting China thousands of years ago. Fricking meme history bullshit. A TON of Korean immigration made Kyushu what it even is today. Closing off borders to opportunistic European traders for a couple hundred years does not mean the country was isolationist for "its entire history." Jesus fricking Christ. How the frick would Buddhism even become popular there if they were so isolationist?
>the Oscars are all predetermined and scripted >a few days ago
Of course it is. All the more obvious given the preparations necessary for global media broadcasting and Internet.
>Looks it up >It's a dvd exclusive from the japan release and sold out and now selling up to 200 in the aftermarket.
What the actual frick are these prices? Do these things have high collector value?
>Do these things have high collector value?
inaccurate, colorful kids toys from the 70's go for hundreds of dollars, the Godzilla aftermarket is insane.
>the Godzilla market is insane
Bunch of newbies about to learn lol. Godzilla merch is like a second job. Either you stay on top of news and pre-orders(don't wait...OOPS PRE-ORDERS SOLD OUT) or you pay out the ass on the secondary market.
>What's the most expensive Godzilla toy?
If were talking about toys, then its subjective since they tend to vary. If I had to say a unanimous most expensive Godzilla toy for most of the community (that isn't a Xplus statue or just a statue in general), is probably the Bronze 1964 Godzilla Bandai made all the way back in 1984. Fun fact that right there has a bid going on right now on Ebay for 500 dollars loose here if you were interested or have the money anyway
https://www.ebay.com/itm/196275450981?itmmeta=01HRNXCZDQDFDB7GAVYZH7GEPN&hash=item2db2edb465:g:NLwAAOSwu5Nlymhb&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwD3JujC4cGwxqKjAx8fOCi9GQ4sBgie9iK5NiG1gKfgK0RX%2BzIjBYUooJn8m%2FD4tyo4%2FzOXNRxfzNXoIYzJ%2BfFY30mTQdDFgna1V8JQOdmkAiZRTOnNrZwgU9DGXdV%2BDwEuxxKR2JYqBSKUiHmzOcwUsVT8RQqr%2BKmjHoE5lgBUf6TObab4jYr0KLIsYEmQditnVmRnWTcBAO6gc8FID46X1d1SISJtmSp0kuhSZt6EJsgwsx5jeDM9ibxuEbZc44Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5b3s73FYw >Any places that have Godzilla props?
Highly unlikely since Toho is really over fricking protective of their props that they legit keep them inside a hidden warehouse only inner circle employees know about. The only prop think ever seen sold or rumored to was a rotting away Godzilla head from the 1960s and this animatronic part think from Godzilla vs Biollante
The only collectible or toy I kept after moving out was this big old plastic Godzilla toy that shoots Godzilla's fist for some reason when you press a button. I have it next to my TV and I'm never getting rid of it.
I never knew that about Toho. That's insane. So those giant Godzilla suits that they used in American comedies and sitcoms from the 80s and 90s are just knock offs used without Toho's permission? The one from One Crazy Summer was funny.
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>So those giant Godzilla suits that they used in American comedies and sitcoms from the 80s and 90s are just knock offs used without Toho's permission?
Most likely. Copyright laws in the 70s and 80s for international affairs (especially Japan) was basically non existent until think around the time Sony and Nintendo got very popular in the mid to late 80s. Heck most Godzilla toys until I think until Trendmasters was mostly third party bootlegs without Tohos permission and all the Japanese toys were strictly meant for Japan only (Have a few old Dandai Godzilla figures in which the only English written is "For Sale in Japan Only. Do Not Resell".
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As for the suit thing. Well they only became over protective I think during the Heisei Era of Godzilla films as there are many many pictures of old Showa era suits rotting away at a different warehouse (some even rotting outside of it in the bamboo bushes I shit you not.) I think the reason why they started being protective of Godzilla props was mostly because Godzilla became more and more of a popular icon in the international sense around the Heisei Era. The oldest known suit that remains mostly intact isn't even Godzilla, but Mechagodzilla from 1974.
Couple of reasons.
Lighting, shot composition (wideshots are a fricking awful idea), perspective of the scene and the objects moving around it.
For example, Davy Jones is murky, he's got a darker colour pallet till you see him closer up. Darker something is, the easier it is to cover up bad CGI, but Jones doesn't really need this as much as a crutch because the CGI's bulk of work is on the face.
Meanwhile, in The Flash, you have 3 full body shots with effects, numerous sources of interaction with the obviously fake environment around them (seriously this looks like something WWE would use as a Titantron entrance, it looks like stock footage) which makes them stick out like a sore thumb. Really, this is a director problem, I'm not even sure how you could make a scene in this composition and framing, presenting the same things on screen look good. It's just a shit scene, this should've been on the cutting room floor. This should've been the reason the director was fired, honestly.
What really works for Pirates is that the details are on the face, and Davy Jones as a whole. He's a horrific monster. He doesn't have to move in a way that seems real (even if he absolutely does and that's what makes him somewhat humanized) and it's arguably better because Jones was once human and is now a broken shell of a man distraut over becoming the villain of his own story. Any unnatural movement makes sense, he is an unnatural horrific monster in the eyes of most, there's a sympathetic side to him buried there somewhere. CGI is great for conceptual characters that are original, not based upon a real human's actual appearance. Unless you're doing something in a while where you want it to be silly looking or whatever, then you're using CGI wrong in that case. The more human you try, the more unlikely it looks good. The humanity is a constant struggle in his character and his past, the way he interacts with others. Not how close he looks to a pre-determined look.
I don't think a story about recovery from a brutal war should be heavily focused on fun, and yet it managed to have a lot of fun in it in a good way regardless so I don't know what movie you saw that you think was minus one
The Oscars really have lost it. There have been some ludicrous wins in the past but opinions are opinions. This time you can tell me this looks good until you're blue in the face and I still won't believe you.
Godzilla Minus One should have won Best Picture and Foreign Film. But was not nominated. It's the only film from this awards season that will still be remembered ten years from now and talked about.
I have no idea, I don't typically watch many films until 12 to 36 months after release, but I can see that Godzilla looks absolutely atrocious and that saying it has great vfx is an absolute farce. I find it hard to believe any Godzilla fans would even disagree.
>I find it hard to believe any Godzilla fans would even disagree.
As a Godzilla fan, I agree that it looks not great. However, as a Godzilla fan, I know that Godzilla fans will latch onto this and hold onto it.
>won't get another run in theaters to celebrate because of Godzilla x Kong: The New Shlock >not even getting a home video release in Japan until May, let alone the western release that has no date
REEEEEEEEEEE I just want to watch it again.
Japan lives rent free in their heads from colonial rule and attempted genocide, so all they can do is squeal and scream about being "not-Japan!" fo contrarians.
Japanese studios fleece the frick out of their customers, so it has to have a release in Japan first so they don't reverse import and buy the western release for a reasonable price.
I was partying and missed all the fun here I just want to say we're fricking Oscar winning franchise now and this is something no one will take away from us. Once no one even dreamed about such a moment. Feels like everything is different now.
VFX is a solid category with realtively little controvesy over the years. It's basically best picture category for all the movies people like the most it's not purely technical. I mean officially it is but in reality it's not.
This was one of the few upsets (if we judge by the betting odds). This and maybe short film and best sound. But I don't care I haven't seen either this or The Boy and the Herron. But I think I'll watch The Creator now that it's a defeated opponent.
Aside from the ending itself, when you can see the effects are not the best, The Creator was better than Godzilla in almost every scene.
Godzilla always has that cheap feeling about it all the time, it's hard to explain, you can spot little inconsitencies here and there. I rarely had that feeling while watching The Creator, the effects were so well integrated, they didn't feel like effects.
But then again, The Creator had a 80 milion budget while Godzilla had only 15 milion. What Godzilla did for those money is impressive.
Godzilla is fine when they intend for him to just stand there, but any time he moves it looks ridiculous. The atomic breath scene looked worse than Shin, something really janky about it.
I think the ocean chase in -1 outshone any effect in creator, though that might come down to direction rather than effects, thought the director was the effects supervisor too. agree they were so well integrated in Creator they didn't feel like effects, so it is a case of if you do it right people won't be sure you did anything at all...
>makes the movie he’s wanted to make after almost 20 years >it becomes nearly unanimously loved by everyone >outgrosses Shin Godzilla to become the highest grossing Japanese Godzilla film >meets his idol who loved it enough to watch it three times >sweeps the frick out of various Japanese awards ceremonies >wins best picture in Japan >becomes first Godzilla movie and Asian movie to win a VFX oscar
I wish to feel 1/100th as happy as Takashi must feel right now
He named both Star Wars and Close Encounters. Ironically when Kurosawa received the Honorary Oscar in 1990 it was presented by Speilberg and Luicas and they played a pre-recorded video message from Ishiro Honda.
Tanaka was already ill heath even by the early 90s due to the lifestyle he lived with along with Tsuburaya. Both drank like sailors and smoke like a chimney
Wasn't this the movie that was constantly mocked here for having "PS3 graphics"? How shit must the Hollywood effects be if "PS3 graphics" won best visual effects?
>Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwarzenneger presenting >They do an awful bit, but it's a bit about Batman so it's cool. >They involve Michael Keaton in the bit and he commits and retroactively makes it funny. >I get to hear both men say the word "Godzilla" with their hilarious voices >When Arnie says it, cinema history is made and Godzilla wins an Oscar >Akira Ifukube theme plays >Wholesome thank you speech, made even moreso by the abysmal attempt to speak English
This felt like a truly blessed moment, you guys. I feel no need to be cynical about any part of it. It's just nice.
So what are the odds that the Shin Godzilla statue gets replaced with the minus one godzilla now that this film not only beat it in the box office, but also won the first ever academy award in franchise history?
I was kinda rooting for Paul Giamatti but the race was over way before the Oscars. So Oppenheimer losing the sound category and maybe Spider-Man losing the animation, or even ABC of Book Burning, those were the only mild upsets.
It definitely was delayed a bit because they didn't know if they're gonna put "Oscar winner" or "nominee" on the cover. I don't know if it's true that they can't release home media version of Minus One the same year as GxK because if that's true they will have to delay it after it has its own release later in 2024. Which means that even if Toho releases it in 2025 it will probably be closer to GxK than if they release it now or in the next few months.
This will benefit the series. Sure you'll get normies like Chris Gore trying to milk it to dunk on Hollywood but it's a different world for Godzilla fans now. Imagine, everyone who will become a fan now will come to a recognized Oscar-winning franchise. We just need to keep it safe from tourists. I don't think there should be any pressure to make future Godzilla movie only certain way. This was a perfect storm which will never repeat itself which is why I'm glad we won. Now imagine if Dune 2 wasn't delayed those precious few months.
Exactly my thought. The effects were great for the budget, but by no means the best of that year. I guess the award going forward is now Best Budget-Normalized Special Effects.
>but you can still tell they only had 15 million
had no idea they only had 15 million, loved the effects because its an organic creator not generic robot like crap, sorry but robots are easier to put on a screen than organic beings, the academy doesnt get awards for how much you spend on robotos on a generic and bland story, Godzilla minus one is fricking kino
it was on a jp twitter trend only for a moment. japanese zoomers and millennials dont give a shit about hollywood or oscars at all. only over 60yo boomers like kojima-type and their media do.
the phenomenon is called 洋画離れ = staying away from western films
Love it or hate it, Godzilla 2014 was the only reason this franchise got back on it's legs. It put Godzilla back into the public zeitgeist and is the whole reason Shin and -1 even exist.
Not to mention Minus One's director loves the Monsterverse.
2014 was such a dud. I checked out when Godzilla was only shown in the background on a TV SCREEN instead of up close. And killing off Cranston so early was insanely idiotic
It brings me great joy that Godzilla is the only movie that won last night that still has a movie discussion going the morning after. All the Oppenheimer threads are either "Nolan is a hack" or "I want to suck off Nolan" and the Poor Things thread is just coomers as usual.
In the coming years, Godzilla Minus One will be the only movie from the 2024 Academy slop fest that will be remembered.
It brings me great joy that Godzilla is the only movie that won last night that still has a movie discussion going the morning after. All the Oppenheimer threads are either "Nolan is a hack" or "I want to suck off Nolan" and the Poor Things thread is just coomers as usual.
In the coming years, Godzilla Minus One will be the only movie from the 2024 Academy slop fest that will be remembered.
And it was probably very close too. It was just meant to be.
When I was a kid my dad rented a really terrible Japanese Godzilla movie Godzilla 2000? Or something. It was so bad he immediately went back and asked the manager for a return to get another kino like Scary Movie
>ywn shadow the Godzilla Prediction Network and get to have Io boss you around
This is the first thought that goes through my mind every morning when I wake up. I endeavor to persevere in the face of this fake and gay timeline I inhabit.
Godzila looked like a cat in that movie
and you look like a hairless ape
He is a hairless ape. Godzilla is not a cat tho
he has looked like a cat since biollante throughout the heisei series
I mean the Heisei Godzilla was basically a giant cat lizard for all but the first movie of that series of films.
Good, cats are the sort of animal that kills for fun, I wouldn't want to be in the same continent as a cat the size of godzilla.
I fricking hate you fake fan fricks that’s what Godzilla has always looked like have a nice day NOW
I mean... Tomiyuki Tanaka has stated multiple occasions that Godzilla is a monster, not a dinosaur. Heck he was going to be an octopus until he stepped in. This case Godzilla was supposed to be a mix of animals be it a Lion, a Iguanodon, and even a whale
Yeah he’s always had a hint of Chinese guardian lion imo
Final Wars looks like a big rat
Except the movie where he is literally a dinosaur
I don't want to alarm you, make no sudden movements, but I don't think that's a cat you have been taking care of all this time.
Yes, that’s on purpose
Godzilla has two main designs and one is based on a cat
If you knew anything about Godzilla you would know he looks this way for the longest time.
It's intentional because humans relate to mammalian faces more than reptilian ones. Japanese people also like their creature designs to have elements of cuteness even when they're supposed to be scary. This is different from the contemporary American design philosophy, which always makes movie monsters grotesque or what the designers believe would be biologically realistic. You can see this in the 1998 American design where they basically just made it a giant T-Rex ripped from Jurassic Park with some Stegosaurus spines, because that's what Godzilla is "supposed" to be without taking into account any of the pathos that comes with the character. The Legendary design is also somewhat like this, but Toho had more influence over it.
Godzilla looks like a cat in every movie
>The mutant kaiju monster looks like a cat
Hmmm...
Heisei time!
Barbieheimer Bros......
Nolan BTFO
the nuke scene was utter shit
it was, it didn't feel like a nuke just white light.
Barbie had 8 noms and won only for best song lol
It was literal meme movie.
CINEMA HAS FRICKING WON
>godzilla will never grab your butt
why live
I don't respect the Oscars. Stop celebrating this win. The G-1 crew should throw that woke award in the trash. By the way, it's not Oscar anymore, it's Oscarita, of course it still looks like a man though because you can always tell.
CANCEL GORZILLA!
Oppenheimer made Godzilla so he technically won in a roundabout way.
I hope Godzilla wins best foreign film
It sadly wasn't nominated
Wat,So this is some kind of consolation prize? Well at least it beat the super productions
Yes. Special Effects is the ultimate "You tried, but unfortunately you're a genre flick, so the council does not recognize you as attaining the rank of kino".
If the Titanic was sunk by a giant reptile instead of an iceberg, it would only have won best special effects and not been nominated for anything else.
True, see also what happened in 1978
Which is why vfx category has more merit than most other categories. It let's the Academy choose the best picture winner they reall want.
Imagine a Godzilla movie not being part of that group.
Well now I don't have to because it's part of it now and for fricking ever.
It's a shame Godzilla wasn't nominated for sound, editing, cinematography and other technical awards or even best picture and foreign. It might have won more. Unfortunately, it's widely known that the technical awards are controlled by the unions and it's basically a popularity contest among the good ol' boy network. So there's no chance a foreign movie or outsider will ever even be nominated for those awards.
Ummm acktchually it's Academy Award for Best International Feature Film now
Extremely excellent. Good work, Academy Awards show!
Time for a spinoff movie that is just two hours of Japanese bros minesweeping after WW2.
Frick that, I want to see Noriko and Kooichi rise a family in post-war Japan with no Godzilla in sight
Considering how Minus One ended she'll probably appear in a Shin Godzilla 2 crossover as the equivalent of Giant Naked Rei vs Galaxy Eating Godzilla as it continues to evolve after the first movie and expand out into the cosmos.
I would watch that. Those moments were max comfy.
Give me both
>his smile and optimism: gone
his smile and optimism,
returned
Maybe Japs should make a movie that accurately portrays the war crimes they committed in Asia, since their school system won't educate their own citizens about that.
China is better at that kind of fantasy movies.
Godzilla has already acknowledge Japan's WW2 crimes.
Kameko, the only director with the balls to do it.
I liked Minus One but it's disappointing that a movie taking place during American occupation just brushed that under the rug.
Minus One is more or less America positive
>first mention of America is Koichi speaking positively of American milk product
>America's role in Godzilla's creation is brushed over by montage
>only American shown onscreen is MacArthur, who Japan worships as a god
>America's lack of aid is always accompanied by a mention that they need to be weary of the Soviets
still bitter that your ''Japan is Weird and they exploit their workers'' narrative didnt worked?
>one movie
Not good enough. Germany has comprehensibly owned up to their involvement in the war through legislation and education. Japan still refuses to acknowledge its role in the rise of worldwide fascism and used its status as a cultural superpower to try to get dumb weebs to defend them.
Oh Frick you white victim cry baby get a job your mom’s tired of living with you
No one cares, homosexualface. Keep simping for the cucked krauts, though. Their untergang is nearly complete.
>setting Cuckmany as an example for other nations to follow
死ね
>Japan still refuses to acknowledge its role in the rise of worldwide fascism
Based, also they only killed chinks, who even cares.
>Germany has comprehensibly owned up to their involvement in the war through legislation and education
and look at the negative consequences of that, it's become the core of their national identity, must be terrible for their mental health
Pretty sure two nukes negates that and unlike Germany, they haven’t been detrimental to society since
Bugs deserved to be crushed
Hyun pls
I know you’re upset that Japan got two Oscars this year and Korea none but you shouldn’t be so bitter all the time
I wanted to see more black market shantytown kino, it was there but quickly replaced by the reconstruction process
What was the other japan oscar?
Cucking spiderverse via boy and the heron
Yeah, we're totally gonna give an oscar to your shitty capeshit sequel and not to Hayao Miyazaki lmfao
>Insomniac Spiderman 2 gets cucked out of all 7 awards it was nominated for at the game awards by Baldur's Gate and Zelda
>Spiderverse cucked out of it's Oscar by Miyazaki
Spiderbros... I don't feel so good...
Godzilla's already done that and it was refreshing that it went with "Imperial Japan bad" by from a different angle. Reminds me of Mizuki's Showa and that book of him in the army that showcased just how dehumanizing and inhumane the IJA and IJN were to the men in its ranks.
I'm pretty sure almost all people like you have never looked up actual Japanese textbooks for middle schoolers at all
Most of them mention that the Japanese army killed lots of people including women and kids and was internationally condemned at least
Factually unfricking true you lying vermin
Behead those who insult Nippon
Maybe american schooling should have more focus on CIA starting wars
Seething Korean
yea 2.5 hours of chingwongers getting their heads cut off would be the ultimate kino
>omg this series based around the idea of complex feelings of a nation and it's involvement with WW2 needs to dumb down the entire perspective so its fits MY world view and MY completely different ideas about how films SHOULD work
Films aren't for you
Anon, this is movie about the citizens of Japan mostly.
Do you think everyone in WW2 wanted to do war crimes? Do you think that EVERY single Japanese person was part of Unit 731 and the Rape of Nanking? That every American was in on the firebombings? That every German was all for the Holocaust?
War crimes, as horrible as they are, do not illustrate an entire nation's behavior. At least that's what I think
>Do you think everyone in WW2 wanted to do war crimes? Do you think that EVERY single Japanese person was part of Unit 731 and the Rape of Nanking? That every American was in on the firebombings? That every German was all for the Holocaust?
Yes
Fair enough
You're damn lucky I don't give a shit about the oscars enough to check.
I just want the director to be happy he deserves it.
this will end VFX, they had such a tiny budget, slept in the office, very low pay.
Remember the Life of Pi? Won the oscar for it and went bankrupt.
It's all over for VFX
Unlike Life of Pi, The director of this movie is also in charge of VFX by himself.
The movie went bankrupt? What the frick are you even smoking.
$15 million movie beats Hollywood.
The Academy is Hollywood. They gave Japan two pity awards so they wouldn't seethe as much about Oppenheimer dominating.
>They gave Japan two pity awards so they wouldn't seethe as much about Oppenheimer dominating.
Was not expecting an aa gif
It didn’t even release over there, most probably aren’t aware of its existence
Whole movie was about McCarthyism rather than a movie about nuking Japan
Sloppenheimer+Godzilla is the ultimate double feature though.
I remember that guy from Godzilla vs King Ghidorah.
Japs got sick of Godzilla in the 90's and 00's because Toho was making it an annual thing with movies that were very rehashed and derivative. It's the same reason why Americans are sick of Marvel today.
>me on the right
>NOOOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE 15 SECONDS OF BOOM IN SLOPPENHEIMER DIDN'T SWEEP THE AWARD
Whenever a Japanese movie becomes successful, someone will always start talking about WW2, but it's really funny that the only way to say bad things about Japan is to go back 80 years.
yes because Minus One and Godzilla have nothing to do with WW2
It's almost like Japan was isolationist for its entire history before the late 1800s or something.
>its entire history
PLEASE shut the frick up with this meme shit. Japan was incredibly willing to interact with its neighbors: China, Korea, SEA for centuries at a time. The first written record we even have of the place is thanks to a delegation visiting China thousands of years ago. Fricking meme history bullshit. A TON of Korean immigration made Kyushu what it even is today. Closing off borders to opportunistic European traders for a couple hundred years does not mean the country was isolationist for "its entire history." Jesus fricking Christ. How the frick would Buddhism even become popular there if they were so isolationist?
>A TON of Korean immigration
t. Seething asiatic
Yayoi people came to Japan from Joseon but the rape baby race that lives there now are not the same.
>Announces this a few days ago
>Wins an academy award
So did Bandai just straight up admit the Oscars are all predetermined and scripted?
>straight up admit
It’s an open secret that everyone knows
Even the celebrity worshipping NPCs are aware of this
>the Oscars are all predetermined and scripted
>a few days ago
Of course it is. All the more obvious given the preparations necessary for global media broadcasting and Internet.
>Looks it up
>It's a dvd exclusive from the japan release and sold out and now selling up to 200 in the aftermarket.
What the actual frick are these prices? Do these things have high collector value?
>Do these things have high collector value?
inaccurate, colorful kids toys from the 70's go for hundreds of dollars, the Godzilla aftermarket is insane.
>the Godzilla market is insane
Bunch of newbies about to learn lol. Godzilla merch is like a second job. Either you stay on top of news and pre-orders(don't wait...OOPS PRE-ORDERS SOLD OUT) or you pay out the ass on the secondary market.
godzilla jumped into a deep fryer
Nah this is golden banana Godzilla. This is deep fryer Godzilla
What's the most expensive Godzilla toy? Any places that have Godzilla props? I'm going to celebrate Godzillas win by purchasing something.
>What's the most expensive Godzilla toy?
If were talking about toys, then its subjective since they tend to vary. If I had to say a unanimous most expensive Godzilla toy for most of the community (that isn't a Xplus statue or just a statue in general), is probably the Bronze 1964 Godzilla Bandai made all the way back in 1984. Fun fact that right there has a bid going on right now on Ebay for 500 dollars loose here if you were interested or have the money anyway
https://www.ebay.com/itm/196275450981?itmmeta=01HRNXCZDQDFDB7GAVYZH7GEPN&hash=item2db2edb465:g:NLwAAOSwu5Nlymhb&itmprp=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwD3JujC4cGwxqKjAx8fOCi9GQ4sBgie9iK5NiG1gKfgK0RX%2BzIjBYUooJn8m%2FD4tyo4%2FzOXNRxfzNXoIYzJ%2BfFY30mTQdDFgna1V8JQOdmkAiZRTOnNrZwgU9DGXdV%2BDwEuxxKR2JYqBSKUiHmzOcwUsVT8RQqr%2BKmjHoE5lgBUf6TObab4jYr0KLIsYEmQditnVmRnWTcBAO6gc8FID46X1d1SISJtmSp0kuhSZt6EJsgwsx5jeDM9ibxuEbZc44Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5b3s73FYw
>Any places that have Godzilla props?
Highly unlikely since Toho is really over fricking protective of their props that they legit keep them inside a hidden warehouse only inner circle employees know about. The only prop think ever seen sold or rumored to was a rotting away Godzilla head from the 1960s and this animatronic part think from Godzilla vs Biollante
The only collectible or toy I kept after moving out was this big old plastic Godzilla toy that shoots Godzilla's fist for some reason when you press a button. I have it next to my TV and I'm never getting rid of it.
I never knew that about Toho. That's insane. So those giant Godzilla suits that they used in American comedies and sitcoms from the 80s and 90s are just knock offs used without Toho's permission? The one from One Crazy Summer was funny.
>So those giant Godzilla suits that they used in American comedies and sitcoms from the 80s and 90s are just knock offs used without Toho's permission?
Most likely. Copyright laws in the 70s and 80s for international affairs (especially Japan) was basically non existent until think around the time Sony and Nintendo got very popular in the mid to late 80s. Heck most Godzilla toys until I think until Trendmasters was mostly third party bootlegs without Tohos permission and all the Japanese toys were strictly meant for Japan only (Have a few old Dandai Godzilla figures in which the only English written is "For Sale in Japan Only. Do Not Resell".
As for the suit thing. Well they only became over protective I think during the Heisei Era of Godzilla films as there are many many pictures of old Showa era suits rotting away at a different warehouse (some even rotting outside of it in the bamboo bushes I shit you not.) I think the reason why they started being protective of Godzilla props was mostly because Godzilla became more and more of a popular icon in the international sense around the Heisei Era. The oldest known suit that remains mostly intact isn't even Godzilla, but Mechagodzilla from 1974.
Marusan Godzillas from the 60s, including the first year release, easily beat this. The aftermarket is only getting worse for those.
What an american response
>best visual effects
LMAO you can literally see the debris vanish between shots
To think that poor editing only costed sub 15 million dollars when the same thing happens to a nearly 200 million dollar budget.
yeah you'd never get that in multi hundred million dollar movies.
Why does it look so bad, Pirates of the Caribbean 2 was made like 20 years ago and still looks great
Couple of reasons.
Lighting, shot composition (wideshots are a fricking awful idea), perspective of the scene and the objects moving around it.
For example, Davy Jones is murky, he's got a darker colour pallet till you see him closer up. Darker something is, the easier it is to cover up bad CGI, but Jones doesn't really need this as much as a crutch because the CGI's bulk of work is on the face.
Meanwhile, in The Flash, you have 3 full body shots with effects, numerous sources of interaction with the obviously fake environment around them (seriously this looks like something WWE would use as a Titantron entrance, it looks like stock footage) which makes them stick out like a sore thumb. Really, this is a director problem, I'm not even sure how you could make a scene in this composition and framing, presenting the same things on screen look good. It's just a shit scene, this should've been on the cutting room floor. This should've been the reason the director was fired, honestly.
What really works for Pirates is that the details are on the face, and Davy Jones as a whole. He's a horrific monster. He doesn't have to move in a way that seems real (even if he absolutely does and that's what makes him somewhat humanized) and it's arguably better because Jones was once human and is now a broken shell of a man distraut over becoming the villain of his own story. Any unnatural movement makes sense, he is an unnatural horrific monster in the eyes of most, there's a sympathetic side to him buried there somewhere. CGI is great for conceptual characters that are original, not based upon a real human's actual appearance. Unless you're doing something in a while where you want it to be silly looking or whatever, then you're using CGI wrong in that case. The more human you try, the more unlikely it looks good. The humanity is a constant struggle in his character and his past, the way he interacts with others. Not how close he looks to a pre-determined look.
even worse, the CGI had AI and was made by indians, and they love chumbox
Reminder
Code?
Also one section of one ship
rightly so tbh. those japs did with 20 mil what hollywood can't do with 200
It was even less than that it was sub $15 million.....
when you realize that everyone votes on these, not just the people in the category, the winners start to make sense
Wasn't this movie made with 100 bucks?
12 million and it made 100 million
it was actually made with tree fiddy.
I've been waiting forever for an HD rip of this to come out.
I'm thinking of getting a physical copy
>Godzilla minus fun wins
Soys win again
What I really like about the newest Godzilla is how it allows to easily detect people like you, Humans Minus Brain.
I don't think a story about recovery from a brutal war should be heavily focused on fun, and yet it managed to have a lot of fun in it in a good way regardless so I don't know what movie you saw that you think was minus one
Honestly felt like The Creator deserved it but Godzilla was impressive for what they did on such a tiny budget.
It was "impressive" because the Japanese push slave labor. There is no secret, they have people doing 20 hour days for minimum wage
->>Cinemaphile
waiting for the brrip
same
Based best Emma image poster. The best way to celebrate Godzilla win.
Who is she?
The Oscars really have lost it. There have been some ludicrous wins in the past but opinions are opinions. This time you can tell me this looks good until you're blue in the face and I still won't believe you.
What do you think should’ve won?
Godzilla Minus One should have won Best Picture and Foreign Film. But was not nominated. It's the only film from this awards season that will still be remembered ten years from now and talked about.
Most of the winners will be remembered.
I have no idea, I don't typically watch many films until 12 to 36 months after release, but I can see that Godzilla looks absolutely atrocious and that saying it has great vfx is an absolute farce. I find it hard to believe any Godzilla fans would even disagree.
>I find it hard to believe any Godzilla fans would even disagree.
As a Godzilla fan, I agree that it looks not great. However, as a Godzilla fan, I know that Godzilla fans will latch onto this and hold onto it.
It looks excellent given their VFX budget constraints. It will age better than other recent kaiju movies too.
>all the winners are movies about destroying Japan
Hollywood fears the samurai
It’s because we all know another nuclear conflict is coming up
>won't get another run in theaters to celebrate because of Godzilla x Kong: The New Shlock
>not even getting a home video release in Japan until May, let alone the western release that has no date
REEEEEEEEEEE I just want to watch it again.
Japan lives rent free in their heads from colonial rule and attempted genocide, so all they can do is squeal and scream about being "not-Japan!" fo contrarians.
When can I rent this, ffs
Japanese studios fleece the frick out of their customers, so it has to have a release in Japan first so they don't reverse import and buy the western release for a reasonable price.
FRICK I forgot about that, I'm an Eva rebuild fan too.
Is that a reenactment of Robin Williams?
In Robins case
I got shamefully good at that wheel.
kek
Nah that's Joe Cooper hanging by his fricking neck in his fricking closet
For as short as it was. This game was pretty fricking comfy
Probably November.
Loved how much of a frick you that is to Disney and how bloated their cgi dungeons are
SIR DO NOT ACCEPT THE OSCAR, IT IS RIGHTFULLY MY EMPLOYER'S AWAR- ACK.
It's insane that American only going backward
The new king and queen of Cinemaphile and /m/
But minus one looked like trash
I was partying and missed all the fun here I just want to say we're fricking Oscar winning franchise now and this is something no one will take away from us. Once no one even dreamed about such a moment. Feels like everything is different now.
>we won a rigged competition at a point where cinema is a total joke
I wouldn't be so quick to brag.
VFX is a solid category with realtively little controvesy over the years. It's basically best picture category for all the movies people like the most it's not purely technical. I mean officially it is but in reality it's not.
t. Miles morales fan
What even is that shit?
This was one of the few upsets (if we judge by the betting odds). This and maybe short film and best sound. But I don't care I haven't seen either this or The Boy and the Herron. But I think I'll watch The Creator now that it's a defeated opponent.
Wow they gave him a BIG oscar
Gidorah's humanoid form! look out Godzilla!
The effects in -1 are amazing for the budget, but The Creator was vastly better. It should've won instead.
what scene in creator stood out as better than Godzilla?(comparing each movies best)
it's easier to make metal hard surface stuff look real.
Aside from the ending itself, when you can see the effects are not the best, The Creator was better than Godzilla in almost every scene.
Godzilla always has that cheap feeling about it all the time, it's hard to explain, you can spot little inconsitencies here and there. I rarely had that feeling while watching The Creator, the effects were so well integrated, they didn't feel like effects.
But then again, The Creator had a 80 milion budget while Godzilla had only 15 milion. What Godzilla did for those money is impressive.
Godzilla is fine when they intend for him to just stand there, but any time he moves it looks ridiculous. The atomic breath scene looked worse than Shin, something really janky about it.
I think the ocean chase in -1 outshone any effect in creator, though that might come down to direction rather than effects, thought the director was the effects supervisor too. agree they were so well integrated in Creator they didn't feel like effects, so it is a case of if you do it right people won't be sure you did anything at all...
>makes the movie he’s wanted to make after almost 20 years
>it becomes nearly unanimously loved by everyone
>outgrosses Shin Godzilla to become the highest grossing Japanese Godzilla film
>meets his idol who loved it enough to watch it three times
>sweeps the frick out of various Japanese awards ceremonies
>wins best picture in Japan
>becomes first Godzilla movie and Asian movie to win a VFX oscar
I wish to feel 1/100th as happy as Takashi must feel right now
>meets his idol who loved it enough to watch it three times
Who dat?
Steven Spielberg
Some reason guessed George Lucas since he named dropped Star Wars. But guess Spielberg would more sense since Japan loves the films he makes.
>since he named dropped Star Wars
You actually understood what he said?
Sutaru Warsu
He named both Star Wars and Close Encounters. Ironically when Kurosawa received the Honorary Oscar in 1990 it was presented by Speilberg and Luicas and they played a pre-recorded video message from Ishiro Honda.
Spielberg
>she
Lost in translation
I met God.
What am I going to do now?
I cry
And he's seen Godzilla three times.
He said the character is good.
He gave me a Godzilla figurine...
This was easily the best Godzilla movie ever made.
Guy deserves it.
It's great and one of the best. But I still put the 1954 original and the American re-edited version with Raymond Burr above it.
Hopefully now will be released in bluray so we can watch it.
Minami Hamabe’s X
https://twitter.com/MINAMI373HAMABE
I misread that as mini harambe
'Godzilla Minus One' Wins Best Visual Effects | Academy Awards 2024
'Godzilla Minus One' Wins Best Visual Effects | Backstage at the Academy Awards 2024
Takashi Yamazaki’s X
https://twitter.com/nostoro
where are the black people?
I didn't even know this movie was out. Also can we talk more about the dog? I think a $50 shelter pup is worth more than this.crap
The award marvel was dominating? This movie must look like shot then.
Said it wasn't in Tanaka's lifetime.
Imagine if the man himself was alive to watch -1.
Though he would've probably killed himself if he watched what the americans did to Godzilla.
Tanaka was already ill heath even by the early 90s due to the lifestyle he lived with along with Tsuburaya. Both drank like sailors and smoke like a chimney
>Special effects
VISUAL effects, anon
VISUAL effects
special effects is what you do on set ie fire, rain, smoke, fog etc...
Special effects are what a prostitute does for money
Wasn't this the movie that was constantly mocked here for having "PS3 graphics"? How shit must the Hollywood effects be if "PS3 graphics" won best visual effects?
>Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwarzenneger presenting
>They do an awful bit, but it's a bit about Batman so it's cool.
>They involve Michael Keaton in the bit and he commits and retroactively makes it funny.
>I get to hear both men say the word "Godzilla" with their hilarious voices
>When Arnie says it, cinema history is made and Godzilla wins an Oscar
>Akira Ifukube theme plays
>Wholesome thank you speech, made even moreso by the abysmal attempt to speak English
This felt like a truly blessed moment, you guys. I feel no need to be cynical about any part of it. It's just nice.
It was wholesome
But would been perfect if Keats actually went with them and the -1 crew.
also DeVito repeatedly saying YEAH after the winner is announced
arnold and devito were funny and cute, it wasn't awful
I just wanted to say that I really want to have sex with the reporter chick from Godzilla vs. Destroyah very very badly.
Can't say I particularly see the appeal but I respect you for knowing what you like
How did it utterly mog everyone on a 15m budget?
Whats the secret to their success when your regular marvel trashfire costs 200+m?
It didn't. It stole The Creator's Oscar.
Who?
>that "GODZILLAAAA" as they walked on stage and the clapping stopped
Lmao who was it
So what are the odds that the Shin Godzilla statue gets replaced with the minus one godzilla now that this film not only beat it in the box office, but also won the first ever academy award in franchise history?
Why not both.
Shin is the best Godzilla of the 2010s.
Minus One is the best Godzilla of the 2020s.
If they could have both, then they would've kept the Heisei Godzilla statue around with Shin
The Heisei statue just moved inside to the theater in the square.
> Godzilla goes woke and revisionist.
> Gets Oscar.
Many such cases.
>Godzilla goes woke and revisionist.
Oh please do tell what was woke and revisionist about it dear /po/ user?
They made godzilla trans
Yeah, and can you imagine godzilla is black and ugly.
Totally woke, frick Holywood.
Thanks for reminding me that it's an election year.
I am surprised it took 190 replies for the autists who didn't watch the movie to jump into the thread.
Have your (You) jackass.
Get back to sleep, Joshua
the figure is how godzilla should be. his stupid-looking face should not be the main focus
oscars were actually pretty decent this year. only undeserved awards were american fiction and that black lady, and we all know why they won.
I was kinda rooting for Paul Giamatti but the race was over way before the Oscars. So Oppenheimer losing the sound category and maybe Spider-Man losing the animation, or even ABC of Book Burning, those were the only mild upsets.
Dude what about Chinalover Cena? He should be MePoo just for shits n giggles for that idiotic stunt.
Nobody cares about the Oscars
Just trying advertise the movie coming out.
Isn't the DVD for -1 not even coming out in the US anytime soon because of the fact GxK is coming out too?
Makes sense. "Oh hey I recognize that word Godzillla from the oscars. I dhould go see that movie".
It definitely was delayed a bit because they didn't know if they're gonna put "Oscar winner" or "nominee" on the cover. I don't know if it's true that they can't release home media version of Minus One the same year as GxK because if that's true they will have to delay it after it has its own release later in 2024. Which means that even if Toho releases it in 2025 it will probably be closer to GxK than if they release it now or in the next few months.
I feel like obligations be damned, you have to strike while the iron is hot with this shit winning now.
This will benefit the series. Sure you'll get normies like Chris Gore trying to milk it to dunk on Hollywood but it's a different world for Godzilla fans now. Imagine, everyone who will become a fan now will come to a recognized Oscar-winning franchise. We just need to keep it safe from tourists. I don't think there should be any pressure to make future Godzilla movie only certain way. This was a perfect storm which will never repeat itself which is why I'm glad we won. Now imagine if Dune 2 wasn't delayed those precious few months.
it already did
I just woke up and it's still real. It actually happened.
test
I really wanted to see this in cinema but my local cinema only showed it twice and never again and I missed it.
I want more Gamera stuff
A pity price since it was so cheap. It looks good for 15 million, but you can still tell they only had 15 million.The Creator looks far better.
Exactly my thought. The effects were great for the budget, but by no means the best of that year. I guess the award going forward is now Best Budget-Normalized Special Effects.
>but you can still tell they only had 15 million
had no idea they only had 15 million, loved the effects because its an organic creator not generic robot like crap, sorry but robots are easier to put on a screen than organic beings, the academy doesnt get awards for how much you spend on robotos on a generic and bland story, Godzilla minus one is fricking kino
funny that jp twitter doesnt give a frick about this lol many doubt if it wins because of amerimutts woke reason like diversity hire.
oscars are already completely dead. its been seen as woke/porikore shit all over the world. its done.
What? You have no idea how proud they are.
It pretty much united everyone in carin gabout this category in this year at least. Now we can rest.
it was on a jp twitter trend only for a moment. japanese zoomers and millennials dont give a shit about hollywood or oscars at all. only over 60yo boomers like kojima-type and their media do.
the phenomenon is called 洋画離れ = staying away from western films
https://www.bloomberg.co.jp/news/articles/2022-12-26/RNBVBOT0AFB401
There is no reason why a Marvel movie needs to cost $300 million dollars.
It's called money laundering and Hollywood accounting, anon. Real greasy shit.
I'm just waiting for Yamazaki's Gamera movie
That was like the only thing Kong had on him.
>TFW Toriyama-sensei didn't live to see Miyazaki-senpai and Gojira-san completely dominate disgusting Hollywood woke piggus at the Oscars
A damn shame, we would've loved to see total Japanese victory.
Final Wars was still peak though.
Love it or hate it, Godzilla 2014 was the only reason this franchise got back on it's legs. It put Godzilla back into the public zeitgeist and is the whole reason Shin and -1 even exist.
Not to mention Minus One's director loves the Monsterverse.
>hate it
Real shit.
Will always have my love for that, even though I prefer the Showa-tier nonsense the Monsterverse is moving into.
>I prefer the Showa-tier nonsense the Monsterverse is moving into.
KotM is peak and a casual filter
Didn't read, too much cope
kek no one is going to tell me what godzilla i can like
It just needed some Vera to be better
Godzilla final wars was the fricking peak of godzilla movies tho.
But that was when Godzilla began its rise in popularity thanks to all the DVD releases.
When the frick is it going to be on streaming? I don't want to watch a camrip with mexican subtitles
nip bluray drops may 1st. A solid rip will be out shortly after that.
Rips come out a week or two before that. Shipping/dock date before the On Sale date.
>my birthday is May 4
The country of Japan got me a birthday present
what was the competition in that category?
-1>2014>Shin>>>>>>
>kotm
you may proceed to seethe
filtered.
-1>KotM>Shin>GvK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2014
2014 was such a dud. I checked out when Godzilla was only shown in the background on a TV SCREEN instead of up close. And killing off Cranston so early was insanely idiotic
*Not for the whole movie, but in a particular scene, I mean.
Jokes aside
-1>Shin>GvK>KotM>2014
-1= Shin>>> KOTM> GvsK>> 2014
cis male godzilla has bigger boobs than tranzilla
troons have to stay rail thin to hide their true shape.
lel
It brings me great joy that Godzilla is the only movie that won last night that still has a movie discussion going the morning after. All the Oppenheimer threads are either "Nolan is a hack" or "I want to suck off Nolan" and the Poor Things thread is just coomers as usual.
In the coming years, Godzilla Minus One will be the only movie from the 2024 Academy slop fest that will be remembered.
And it was probably very close too. It was just meant to be.
When I was a kid my dad rented a really terrible Japanese Godzilla movie Godzilla 2000? Or something. It was so bad he immediately went back and asked the manager for a return to get another kino like Scary Movie
G2k was kino
The special effects were awful we were expecting Godzilla 1999
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A movie is more than its effects.
>ywn shadow the Godzilla Prediction Network and get to have Io boss you around
Why live?
>ywn shadow the Godzilla Prediction Network and get to have Io boss you around
This is the first thought that goes through my mind every morning when I wake up. I endeavor to persevere in the face of this fake and gay timeline I inhabit.
Atomic bomb films won eight Oscars, while anti-bomb films won one Oscar.
Is this ironic?