What caused the decline in Green Lantern fans? It used to be one of DC's most popular comics and was able to carry 3 or 4 ongoing titles. Now it can barely carry a single Hal Jordan solo comic.
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What caused the decline in Green Lantern fans? It used to be one of DC's most popular comics and was able to carry 3 or 4 ongoing titles. Now it can barely carry a single Hal Jordan solo comic.
>What caused the decline in Green Lantern fans?
The fans are always there, it's DC's fault for not wanting to take care of the comics following the movie bomb.
The movie, and the new 52 reboot. Yes, GL lore went by mostly unscathed, but by Brightest day GL had become a DC universe wide franchise and New 52meant that all needed to be tossed by the wayside.
>New 52meant that all needed to be tossed by the wayside.
GL Nu52 was a continuation of Geoff's run till #20.
>GL Nu52 was a continuation of Geoff's run till #20.
I know that, but all the plot points Brightest day was setting up were swept away. GL went from running through the DCU, to quietly wrapping things up in it's own corner.
In a better world, Brightest Day would have been the event that transitions DC to something better. Unfortunately we got New 52.
MUH BATMAN
MUH DCAU
MUH BRUCE TIMM
MUH FLOP OF A MOVIE
MUH SUPERMAN
MUH WONDER WOMAN
What happened is that they cannibalized what made it such a best-seller.
"Men" who wear israeliteelry are homosexuals.
Projection on your part
Johns run peaked at Blackest Night
everything thing after was meh
every writer that followed him mostly just poorly aped his rainbow corps stuff
new 52 muddled things up a bit too
the movie failing miserably didn't help much either
That’s really not true for the most part aside from maybe the Sinestro Corps or the Reds, most writers tend to not utilize the other corps
True John's run peaked at Blackest Night but the Krona takes over Oa storyline that followed was fun.
Personally I just found shit falls apart after John's left.
>every new villain is an oc donut steel seemingly stronger and more of a threat than the last to the entire universe
>at the same time they're steadily writing all the other lantern corps out of the story, killing them off, or turning them in C tier villains to rarely be uses again
>also killing off tidal waves of established background GLs just to introduce their own background GLs but everyone keeps doing it til the point where 95% of the GLC are noobs with less than a dozen GLs that have survived decades
Krona is such a shit character. I used to like him but the more I think about it, he just doesn't make any sense. He comes back every 10 years strong as fuck for no reason and then goes down easy. When it's all said and done, no one even remembers him until the next omega crossover.
Shouldn't Larfleez be one of the biggest baddest threats around?
Movie was bad, and the lesson DC learned from it was that everyone just plain hates Green Lantern and refuse to allow him to appear in any more media after that. So the DCEU movies and CW shows avoid even a mention of lantern anything.
Every writer after Johns wanted to keep on doing the same shit so we got the GLC in a war with some other lantern corps, or something a lot like a lantern corps with the Third Army, those anti emotion guys, Krona's army, Relic's Army. All the same shit over and over again. And they recycled the same old Guardians are actually evil and doing evil shit, Hal has to stop the guardians and the power battery explodes stuff again.
Morrison wanted to not use any other lantern shit at all and made some weird surreal, hard to read nonsense involving a new guest appearance of someone who has not been seen since the 60s over and over again. It was a mess.
Thorne blew up the central battery again, depowered the lanterns again, killed off half of them, sidelined most of the main cast and made a John story that was boring.
>And they recycled the same old Guardians are actually evil and doing evil shit, Hal has to stop the guardians and the power battery explodes stuff again.
This is something that annoys me. Every other writer wants to raise stakes by killing the guardians or making them pseudo-evil, and destroying Oa or the CPB. Or they kill off half the lanterns and turn the whole thing into a survival situation where Hal rallies the remaining few t go stop the bad guy. It has been done to death. Every single writer on a GL book wants to tear things down, break things, remove stuff and kill off characters.
Johns was the only writer that built things up. He added all the lanterns, built up Oa, added chapter houses, added different divisions of the corps, added way more lore to the concept, added more characters, added more corps, made everything into this huge universe that was interesting to read about. While anyone else just removes and kills.
>Movie was bad, and the lesson DC learned from it was that everyone just plain hates Green Lantern and refuse to allow him to appear in any more media after that. So the DCEU movies and CW shows avoid even a mention of lantern anything.
It was WB that gave up on GL (despite being 100% responsible for it flopping), but DC knew that GL was their best comic outside of Batman given the run given the numbers Geoff was pulling. Like that other anon said, the subsequent writers they hired kept trying to up the ante by cutting down and depowering the GLC despite that type of story being retread so many times people got sick and left. On the rare occasion some writer will tell that story in a good way like pic.
>DCEU movies and CW shows avoid even a mention of lantern anything
Both of those have actual GLs in them.
If this is true, why is that another Lanternfag is caught lying?
>hates GL
>extremely ESL
Huh. did Hal beat up Goku on some fanfiction show or something?
>Guys, Abin Sur is there for about 5 seconds in the far far background in a deleted scene!! GLs are totally there in the DCEU!!!! Don't listen to that anon!!
DCEU only had one in the background of a massive war scene, that was cut from the final film. I don't think that counts.
And in Flash we saw a normal guy holding a box that had green light in his face for about a minute....
...that's your example of GL appearing in CW and DCEU. Combined to almost one full minute if you include a scrapped scene. So no..GL did in fact not appear in either of those you are full of shit.
>DCEU only had one in the background of a massive war scene, that was cut from the final film. I don't think that counts.
There was the In Blackest Night episode but that pretty much the highlight of GL spotlight in the show.
>and refuse to allow him to appear in any more media after that
Green Lantern would benefit from an anime adaptation
that's a medium where he could be adapted well and make a big fanbase
Wasn’t DC going to do anime adaptations?
Would a Kyle Mecha anime be good?
It makes perfect sense honestly. Kyle was an anime weeb before anime weebs became a thing.
so why are all the lanterns dead in the future?
because the movie bombed?
They aren’t dead. Lanterns is a new show coming out. It’s just GLfags being overreacting losers again.
>Lanterns is a new show coming out. It’s just GLfags being overreacting losers again.
Which is going to be produced by Tom King, you homosexual. This is going to be shit.
I thought that was cancelled.
Nope, it's still going on. They're also pulling a Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 by having Hal Jordan be twenty years older than John Stewart with the obvious intent of having John take the reigns if the show is successful.
>having Hal Jordan be twenty years older than John Stewart
So we'll have a childish old man and old, stoic child?
Seems retarded. I want more alien lanterns, fuck humans use Hal or John, I don't give a fuck, but don't focus in on humans.
>So we'll have a childish old man and old, stoic child?
Probably. It all sounds bad honestly. GL only works as a cartoon.
>alien lanterns, fuck humans
Idk how fans of superhero movies still think this is an easy ask.
Human beings are cheap to film. Aliens are not. You'll get 1 scene of Kilowog because he costs millions to render if you want people to not make fun of it. Alien "environments" end up just being green screen volume shit. What you are describing is basically Ant-Man 3 with GOTG pink people aliens.
Even the animated series had to reuse assets. Green Lantern works best as a comic honestly. Imagine how one of those 2 page spreads from Sinestro Corps War would look if it was people floating with wires or CGI blobs in a weightless environment shooting green missles at each other. Headache fuel
I thought the new series was a cartoon, not live action. My bad.
>Not using Kilowog
For what fucking purpose.
Because that would cost money and effort.
>Which is going to be produced by Tom King
Anon there’s no In between, either you get content and it’s bad or you don’t get anything at all. That’s DC.
I'd rather have NOTHING.
I learned this lesson with Keanustine and I've been proven right every step of the way.
No, I meant in the stories. Why are they all dead before Legion of Super Heroes begins?
Out of universe, the answer is that the Legion wasn't made with the larger DC universe mythos in mind. The writers were (understandably) more concerned with telling stories than the implications those stories may have for the setting's canon timeline.
In-universe, the answer changes with each reboot. Pre-crisis, the GLC was around, but the Earth didn't allow them to come near after a corpsman was caught doing some supervillain shit by the Legion in their very early days.
The poorly received movie did not move toys.
This killed the warmly received cartoon which could have moved some toys.
The movie's flop soured GL in the eyes of executives as something that does not print money.
Comics wise, I've been told that writers after the one that introduced all the alternate lanterns kept trying to one-up that writer, which lead to retardation and cause fans to kinda drop off. But I wasn't reading the comics so I don't know with certainty.
I was trying to think of games where you can play as a Green Lantern and remember DCUO
Shame that game went the way it did, it's a fun 30 levels followed by boring gear-grinding.
Morrison's run was really fucking good. John's run is alright but gets awful at the end. Fucking Third Army wtf is this shit. It did push the big trend of "systematizing comics" that you can see with shit like the other card suited Sinister rip offs in Marvel.
oh man, Morrison's run was top tier
3rd army storyline is stupid but it does at least setup a nice conclusive ending to John's runs as long as you dont read anything past that.
My only beef with the Third army is that the third army looks incredibly generic.
I dislike Vendetti's run but I love this design.
The hype train ended and all the muppets directed to BUYBUYBUY moved on, leaving the actual fandom. Green Lantern at its height was pulling 200,000 in sales, in the 60's. Compared to millions in sales from his more popular JLA cohorts.
>leaving the actual fandom.
The actual fandom left because Geoff was the only guy who knew what the hell he was doing.
Dogfucker was good, he understood why Jess was chosen as a GL, and made use of Simon.
>and made use of Simon.
no one likes either of those characters
No one cares about Simon, but between Johns and Dogfucker, plenty grew to like Jess even before DCSHG slapped her name on a completely different character.
The actual was around long before Johns hacked out his Skittles scripts, anon.
*actual fandom
The actual fandom didn't get a good run until Johns tho. Hal going batshit insane and making the JL his bitch in the mid-90s was probably the first time anyone actually took him seriously and it was glorious even if it would take a decade before he would return to us.
I'm finding it harder and harder to stick around for Jeremy Adams' run given how slow it is and because Phillip Kennedy Johnson is the anthesis of an interesting writer. Superfags can eat him up, I won't.
>Superfags can eat him up
they don't.
The damn book had been going for almost a year and it still feels like we are about five minutes into the story. We still know fucking nothing about what is going on.
>We still know fucking nothing about what is going on.
Sinestro has returned!...again!...for one more time!...and he's back!!!!
honestly, I think the lack of a good cartoon and tv adaptation crippled Green Lantern long term. Batman was majorly boosted by the animated series among young fans in the 1990s which had synergy with the comics and movies. Superman benefited from his animated series to a lesser extent (Superman Returns is kind of a mixed bag too) but then you had stuff like Smallville which eventually lead to things like CW's takes on Green Arrow and The Flash which kept all of those characters culturally relevant. Apart from the botched 2010 movie the only major Green Lantern content outside comics was animated Justice League and while I actually like John Stewart they might have been better off going with Hal just to have more material to potentially adapt or reference.
If there was a cartoon out at the same time as Blackest Night and Sinestro Corps War, then GL would have had the same status as BTAS. That's how manga gets boasted by anime; if you coincide both, then people are more likely to buy the mangas to get more of the story.
I could see this. I also feel like Guardians of the Galaxy showed a taste for cosmic weirdness as yet under exploited by cape films which it just seems like GL would be the perfect avenue for DC to explore. I could see a procedural Green Lantern Corps a la Star Trek, something about Hal a la My Adventures With Superman, maybe even something with Guy Gardner being a bit of a fuck up? Also, the fact DC have had a recognizable black hero in John Stewart and have gone all in on shoving Cyborg into everything astounds me.
>I could see a procedural Green Lantern Corps a la Star Trek, something about Hal a la My Adventures With Superman,
I see GLC as more Farscape given Guy and Hal are Starfleet's worst nightmare.
>Also, the fact DC have had a recognizable black hero in John Stewart and have gone all in on shoving Cyborg into everything astounds me.
They've tried with John. It didn't work out so good.
this was such a confused product
re-using kyle's origin, the john/shayera JL bait, the end villain twist. just too much trying to be done all at once
and while the first half with the rann/thanagar war was genuinely intriguing it just gets overshadowed by the middle plot twist
it's like it peaked at end of act 1 then just declined steadily as it went along
i did like green arrow through all of it though, might be the best aspect of it deshou
>while I actually like John Stewart they might have been better off going with Hal just to have more material to potentially adapt or reference.
Before Johns? Like... what?
Hal used to be a clever dude who actually had a human desire to live a normal life. He was actually a very emotional dude and was a loner within the JL because they were more acquaintances than friends. One true friend died saving everyone and the other told him to fuck off because he would get in the way of his time with Black Canary.
I could get behind a Green Lantern - Green Arrow reboot
I'd be down for it if it was a reversal of the Denny run and Ollie is the joke.
>Hal stop being such a chud
>Ollie what the fuck is a chud?
Both should be portrayed as slightly extreme (in ways that are not standard stereotypes of their viewpoints and fit the characters) but in a way that comes off as good natured. For instance, Ollie should accuse Hal of the generic racism, xenophobia etc etc and Hal should be humourously point out that his best friend is a black man from Bovollax.
>"What's that Ollie? Atrocitus and his goons massacred the Star City LGBT pride parade? How terrible!"
>"What's that Ollie? Atrocitus and his goons massacred the Star City LGBT pride parade? How terrible!"
>I miss the Rainbow Corps 🙁
You guys think Ollie cries at night knowing his lineage ends with Conner while a based retard like Hal gets to continue his?
Of course not. Ollie is proud his son isn't a disgusting breeder.
How many half human bastards do you think Hal has?
Enough to make space a little dumber.
As long as Shado lives, there will always be more Queen family offspring.
>his best friend is a black man from Bovollax
Kilowog isn't black
Racist.
Kilowog is from Bolovax Vik. Idk what even a 'Bovollax' is, but 'wog was briefly Dark Lantern.
Bovollax, the incontinent cow plant. Surely you've heard of it.
ok. But what there works for a Justice LEague show?
I dunno, how does a human like Batman work in the JL without being a burden?
There's an immense amount of material and lore before Johns' tic tac toe scratches. Most of his work was cribbing and hacking from GL's extensive lore.
There has always been a Superman show of some kind. George Reeves, the 70s cartoon, 80s cartoon, Timm cartoon, Superboy, Smallville, Lois and Clarke, CW show...it;s always around.
With Batman, ever since 89, there will always be a Batman movie franchise happening at any given time.
Green Lantern was always a rare one to appear since he is hard to animate, and hard to translate to live tv without loads of special effects or CGI. Most would rather have Green Arrow or Flash since they are a lot easier.
GL hardly ever appeared in the 20+ years of superfriends.
>lack of good cartoon
was going to say this. it has always been possible
>too hard to animate
dude there have already been JLA cartoons and shit like Ben 10. that's not an argument
Until the mid 00s it was a problem because they had to plan out, ink, paint etc cells for whatever wacky green thing Hal makes. It was easier just animating Superman flying and Flash running instead.
The Timm JLA series has no excuse, they were just really fucking lazy and only ever had John shoot green lasers. After that Green Lantern was toxic and no one is allowed to stick him in their shows because WB thinks the general public at large purely hates the whole concept enough to tank whatever media he appears in.
>they were just really fucking lazy and only ever had John shoot green lasers. After
Everyone’s powers were limited imagination wise because it’s a cheap cartoon with a limited budget. Sorry if they didn’t waste millions more just to have GL construct the shape of a boat.
>Everyone’s powers were limited imagination wise because it’s a cheap cartoon with a limited budget.
Not even, Wonder Woman and Supes are flying brick. They're pretty boring combat wise.
I have no idea what you mean.
What I'm saying is that most of the team aren't that creative when it comes to combat. The one time it requires creativity they get lazy.
They didn’t get lazy GL is an expensive character.
They couldn't make John generate a crazy anime sword? A cool jet? A car? I'm not even talking about cool shit like a dinosaur or a lion. They even joke about it by saying John was always a boring guy.
John is boring
And no they can’t. Go back and watch clips of the show. The animation looks pretty bad and stiff. Understandable they choose to preserve the budget for things that actually mattered rather than waste it on one character.
>Understandable they choose to preserve the budget for things that actually mattered rather than waste it on one character.
They show stayed consistently cheap tho. I think it might have been cheaper than the good seasons of BTAS.
It was but clearly scenes like Superman vs Shazam used a bit more money.
I miss the Rainbow Corps 🙁
How much did Green Lantern Comics sell in it's lifespan?
Because I was wondering if Either him or the Flash hit the 100M mark
Here you go.
have other big DC heroes and titles seen similar declines or is Green Lantern's specifically egregious?
GL is actually one of the better cases because it’s a success story.
This is normal. A run can’t stay successful forever.
Wonder woman is doing far worse, and everyone below the Big Five of DC can't even sell 10k
I can't wait until comics finally die. I hate all DC and Marvel writers so much.
What comics are absolutely must read before starting Johns' run?
it peaked with Blackest night
sinestro corps war >>> blackest night
I dunno, but I miss the days of Cereal Lord's reign. Some of the best times I've had on Cinemaphile were Holiday Lantern nonsense, "who'd wear what ring" speculation, Guacamole-chan posting... I want it back.
Did we not have a Holiday Lantern thread this year?
Me personally, I just got tired of Hal eclipsing the entire Corps and all the other characters fadinfg into the background.
Did you get happy when they switched over to John?
Beginning of the end was either the GL show getting canned at a cliffhanger, or that GL movie that was so awful that other media companies avoided the word "green" to dodge any chances of getting affected by its failure by proxy.
Can't comment on the comics though, I don't read comics.
>What caused the decline in Green Lantern fans?
Johns left and everything he built up was torn down and people lost interest. Green Lanterns was great.
geoff johns betrayed comicbook in order to chase hollywood shit.
how can I become a Green Lantern fag?
Suck cock with a Green Lantern ring on, I guess.
What about getting a Green Lantern cock ring?
No
Here's something better.
Why are Lantern cucks so salty over Batman?
It's weird that fans of any DC character other than Batman resent him. Whether you like Batman or not he single-handedly keeps DC in business. Literally every other book exists entirely due to Bat-welfare.
Batman editorial don’t like GL and Batman’s biggest fanboys like Snyder bring down the quality of the industry.
I wasn't talking about quality, I was talking about money. Bat-books are the only books bringing in the money, DC exists solely because of them. Every other book is a charity case.
>I wasn't talking about quality
Then who cares?
If you care about GL you should be on your knees sucking Bat-cock for paying for those books to be made.
It’s this type of victim mindset that makes you just as retarded as Batfags who keep buying that braindead garbage of stories. This is why I stopped being a fan of DC, all the fans are fucking depressed yet they keep coming back like abused puppies. Like being a Batfag is any better, he was boring as fuck in The Batman and was turned into Superman’s bitch boy in Justice League.
Why do you care so much about comics when they have been bad for decades already? Batman comics suck ass, all of them, and if GL gets one it won’t be any different. Stop waisting time reading capeshit and enjoy something worth your attention. With DC there is only two choices either watch your favorite get fucked or leave. DC is releasing a video game where the League are killed by D listers. They don’t care about quality. Capeshit is dying, just leave it alone man and it’s never going to get better.
I just remember Guys last issue of Emerald Warriors was essentially forced to be a GL and Batman in space story.
I would like lantern fags if they didn’t they didn’t shit on Batman and Superman so much.
I just want space cops in space...
Morrison's latest run is that.
Check out L.E.G.I.O.N and its sequel R.E.B.E.L.S and pray current era DC never touches Vril and the gang again unless it's to give us collected trades
If Batman and Superman disappeared DC would still outsell most other companies other than Image and Marvel
Batman and Superman disappearing would honestly be the best thing to happen to DC since it would mean making an effort to fill in those roles. It would be the ultimate wake up call.
52 was pretty great.
52 is awful.
What did Marvel writers think of the Sinestro Corps War and Blackest Night?
After John's run was over the only alright storyline after has been GodsHead or whatever it was called where the rainbow corps got into it with a multiversal version of the New Gods.
Anyone know what happened to the New God milf Sinestro was corrupting with the yellow after or was it never brought up again?
>Anyone know what happened to the New God milf Sinestro was corrupting with the yellow after or was it never brought up again?
Bekka? She's still with them.
Given Hal doesn't draw dimes, the reigns need to be handed over to Carol Danvers.
Why don't they want him as the face of the GLC?
Because we already have one.
More people want Guy than John. That's a fact