YOU KEEP BRINGING UP SHIT I DON'T LIKE AND GET MAD WHEN I DON'T LIKE IT
CARTOONS AREN'T GONNA MAKE ME FORGET THAT FOUR BLACK PEOPLE KIDNAPPED AND TORTURED A WHITE MAN ON FACEBOOK FOR HOURS WITHOUT MOD INVERVENTION, A israelite JUDGE ALMOST DISMISSED THE CASE AND GOOGLE ACTIVELY AFFECTS ITS ALGORITHM TO MAKE THE CASE HARD TO SEARCH FOR
SOCIETY IS ANTI-WHITE FRICKING SHITBERG AND I WANT TO WATCH THE FUNNY CARTOONS AND I CAN'T EVEN AVOID IT HERE
THE WORLD IS CANCER AND AIDS AND NO AMOUNT OF REPORTING ME TO JANNIES WILL CHANGE THAT YOU REMIND ME OF THIS SHITTY ANTI-WHITE homosexual FELLATING israelite-MASTERMIND CANCER PLANET I WILL PASSIVE AGGRESSIVELY SIGH AND BEMOAN REMINDERS OF ITS EXISTENCE AND YOU DON'T GET TO COME HERE AND TELL ME I CAN'T EVEN GET MAD AT IT HERE
FRICK YOU
FRICK YOUR FRICKING NEED TO CRITIQUE AND REVISE EVERYTHING GET OUT OF MY WOLD
I ALREADY WNAT TO KILL MTYSEF STOP MAKING MEW NAT OT TAKE YOU gayOTS WITZH ME
>FOUR BLACK PEOPLE KIDNAPPED AND TORTURED A WHITE MAN ON FACEBOOK FOR HOURS WITHOUT MOD INTERVENTION
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Chicago_hate_crime_torture#Aftermath_and_reactions
Found it just by searching for that exactly in the greentext
I'm getting tired of altright dipshits who escaped the Cinemaphile moron farm whining about how triggered and oppressed they are every fricking second of the day and yet, here you are.
Frick off. Disney being nothing but sunshine and rainbows for the last 15 years is what I'm tired of. I welcome any return back to more grimdark kids animation.
>it's a classic fairy tale but dark and gritty and a commentary on politics
Literally every classic fairy tale is dark and gritty and focused on politics. Shit like Disney and other sanitized retellings have brainwashed people into thinking otherwise
Shape of Water was admittedly a matter of taste, I liked it myself, but no one should blame Del Toro for the abomination that the Hobbit movies turned out to be. Del Toro left in large part due to how much the studio insisted on sticking its dick into the picture, and when he left they threw money at Jackson until he came back purely for the paycheck and let them do what they wanted.
>Del Toro left in large part due to how much the studio insisted on sticking its dick into the picture, and when he left they threw money at Jackson until he came back purely for the paycheck and let them do what they wanted.
If this had all been before preproduction, sure, more power to him for sticking with his guns.
But when you have thousands of people whose livelihood depends on you getting along with the higher ups, then either hash everything out beforehand or don't bother at all. The movies are shit, but Jackson made the best of the mess del Toro left behind, so everyone would actually get paid.
>But when you have thousands of people whose livelihood depends on you getting along with the higher ups, then either hash everything out beforehand or don't bother at all
This implies that it is not in the power of the studio to agree to something up front and then start dicking with you later in production (because they still control the money) which is something that happens all the time. It happened with Sam Rami on Spiderman 4, which is why we never got a Spiderman 4. Hilarious story there, actually. Worth looking up.
>This implies that it is not in the power of the studio to agree to something up front and then start dicking with you later in production
Then he was either expecting his name would be enough to ensure his vision for the movie or went into the thing prepared to walk away and leave everyone else up shit creek.
Neither makes him look particularly good.
>Hey Del Toro, you wanna make The Hobbit? >Sure! Here's some concept art and other preproduction materials of my plan. How does it look? >Great! We'll take it!
*Filming starts >Hey, Del Toro, my man! You know that movie we approved of earlier, well; we changed our minds, we want you to scrap the whole thing and do it differently
This is somehow Del Toro's fault
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's not what happened >Hey Del Toro, you wanna make The Hobbit? >Sure! Here's some concept art and other preproduction materials of my plan. How does it look? >Great! We'll take it!
>Hey Del Toro, we will have to delay filming until we settle this legal dispute with the Toliken estate >Ok I will wait
>Hey we need to keep delaying as the dispute is ongoing >Frick you I'm leaving
2 years ago
Anonymous
>>Hey we need to keep delaying as the dispute is ongoing >>Frick you I'm leaving
Yeah, the millionaire director walking away because he didn't feel like putting in the time and dedication.
Which, again, I wouldn't have much of problem with if it didn't screw over everyone else involved.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>In 2010, del Toro left the project because of ongoing delays. On 28 May he explained at a press conference that owing to MGM's financial troubles the Hobbit project had then not been officially green-lit at the time. "There cannot be any start dates until the MGM situation gets resolved .... We have designed all the creatures. We've designed the sets and the wardrobe. We have done animatics and planned very lengthy action sequences. We have scary sequences and funny sequences and we are very, very prepared for when it's finally triggered, but we don't know anything until MGM is solved
>Two days later, del Toro announced at TheOneRing.net that "In light of ongoing delays in the setting of a start date for filming", he would "take leave from helming", further stating that "the mounting pressures of conflicting schedules have overwhelmed the time slot originally allocated for the project. ... I remain an ally to it and its makers, present and future, and fully support a smooth transition to a new director
2 years ago
Anonymous
Disregarding all the corporate BS, that statement really just tells you is that he didn't factor in delays or the possibility of extensive reshoots, which would be dumb in every major Hollywood production and doubly so for this project, given the history of the LotR movies. Jackson spent 8 fricking years and half his body weight on those things.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't know why the frick you care so much about this, but it's pretty pathetic watching you make post after post b***hing about Del Toro, coming up with increasingly ridiculous statements attempting to establish him as shitty.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon I keep telling you the delay was because of legal drama
2 years ago
Anonymous
forgot pic
but yeah, del taco was planning two movies with a more "fairy tale" (his words) feel to it that only became grand with the final battle of the armies.
God damn it, I was already mad we're never gonna get his version of the movie, but now I'm even madder.
>Del Toro left in large part due to how much the studio insisted on sticking its dick into the picture, and when he left they threw money at Jackson until he came back purely for the paycheck and let them do what they wanted.
If this had all been before preproduction, sure, more power to him for sticking with his guns.
But when you have thousands of people whose livelihood depends on you getting along with the higher ups, then either hash everything out beforehand or don't bother at all. The movies are shit, but Jackson made the best of the mess del Toro left behind, so everyone would actually get paid.
He didn't leave because of studio meddling, he left because the movies kept getting delay was the studio was going through some legal drama with the Tolkien estate
>This implies that it is not in the power of the studio to agree to something up front and then start dicking with you later in production
Then he was either expecting his name would be enough to ensure his vision for the movie or went into the thing prepared to walk away and leave everyone else up shit creek.
Neither makes him look particularly good.
Well god damn, does the boot leather on WB's feet taste THAT good or what?
I don't give a frick about WB.
I care for Del Toro taking his ball and going home like pouting child when it turned out the thing was slightly more work than he anticipated.
What Del Taco left for The Hobbit was fine. Pic related, this was his orc boss. What happened is that after he left and Jackson settled his lawsuit the studio said "we want something that looks and feels like the original trilogy, not this fairy tale two-parter bullshit Guillermo was working on" so they made Peter scrap all pre-production and start from scratch. Thus the rush and lack of planning well into production
forgot pic
but yeah, del taco was planning two movies with a more "fairy tale" (his words) feel to it that only became grand with the final battle of the armies.
I know this is bait but Fascist Italy is objectively the most embarrassing to ever happen to Italy. You can suck Crossdressing Nazi German wiener if you really want, but Benito 'Sword of Islam' Mussolini took a moderately powerful nation and ran it into the ground. Yes, it was bad.
>Dude the 20th century was like a bajillion years ago
I know for an American zoomer that might as well be ancient history, but in terms of the history of the world it was last Tuesday.
Who said anything about anyone supporting fascism? This is just recent history, why are you so upset that it's being covered? Give it till 2060 and I'm sure you can have movies about Fortnite or whatever it is you're wanting
I loved Hellboy 2 and was bummed by not getting the next chapter too. That was 14 years ago. Ron Perlman is in his 70s. They already rebooted it terribly. Mike Mignola has become a hack in that span of time. Del Toro has been completely burnt out from trying to pilot big studio projects that ultimately failed projects like In the Mouth of Madness, Pacific Rim 2, and his Hobbit films. He’s completely pivoted to purely original films with smaller budgets that allow him creative control.
>They already rebooted it terribly.
yeah, I saw the trailer when it came out and decided I'm just not gonna watch that shit. Perlman was perfect for the role >It was time to move on a decade ago.
no I'm still mad about no del toro hellboy 3 but whatever. probably the only way to go forward with a new Mignola adaptation would be a BPRD film, but I can only imagine maybe someone like Zahler pulling it off.
I didn't know Del Toro had so many failed projects, but I'm glad he was able to remake Nightmare Alley. I actually really enjoyed that movie, and I think it's better than his hits like Pan's Labyrinth and Crimson Peak. I don't follow the box office, but I hope it did well.
I liked it as well. The ending was really dour. >I don’t follow the box office, but I hope it did well.
Nope, flopped big time. Did manage to squeak in a Best Picture nomination as the very last slot, for what it’s worth.
I’m a lil disappointed, not because it’s against fascism or whatever but just because this looks like a retread of one his earlier works, pans labyrinth. Hopefully he’s self awareness enough to realize that and do something unique
I can't believe we got a bunch of CGI bullshit instead of this. CGI really did ruin the filmaking industry, it made everyone on all stratas complacent
to this
forgot pic
but yeah, del taco was planning two movies with a more "fairy tale" (his words) feel to it that only became grand with the final battle of the armies.
I'm really starting to wonder if Fascism would work, or at the very least be better than what we have now, this rotting corpse of a society where fewer people can afford to start a family, instead they just import more workers.
He's actually more and more of a liked figure in Italy now. He gave an interview before the War ended and basically stated that he was going to die because he lost, but that "history might wash me clean."
Also Spain I guess is an example of a Fascist country that worked, although Franco never called himself that and he just let partisans die in WW2 in Russia. Then again Del Taco has a rose tinted view of the Spanish Civil War.
Well give it another decade or so and we might find out... people like you won't obviously because you'll be executed for "domestic terrorism" but the rest of us will
Why not send him to countries that had long-term fascism like Spain or Chile, instead of wartorn nations that will only confirm his biases that if they weren't invaded it would work?
>instead of wartorn nations that will only confirm his biases that if they weren't invaded
...What? Germany was the invader--the "wartearing" wouldn't have happened if not for Germany's fascist expansion. Don't really get your point here.
The point is going to a nation functioning without a war going on so you can eliminate that factor as to why he’s uncomfortable. I wouldn’t want to be in 1940s Soviet Russia either.
do you not know why world war 2 started? it was not the israelites buddy. Maybe look into the german children playing with money like building blocks after world war 1 and tell me Germany was not war torn. Truly an American take that has never had war on it's doorsteps. Not since the civil war at least.
>do you not know why world war 2 started? it was not the israelites buddy.
When the frick did I say it was? Seriously, quote the line which indicates that.
Your problem is that you are seeking a political solution to an economic problem. Democracy isn't the cause of the problems you describe, capitalism is. In a world with finite money, you cannot make some people billionaries without making a million other people poorer. That money has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is the lower classes. Likewise, capitalism creates the incentive to just move your industry off to third world countries that will do it cheaper to increase profits, because profits are the only thing that matters.
Fascism isn't the solution to your problem. Eating the rich and dismantling the tools they have used to insulate themselves from consequences and take away your voice is the solution to your problem.
>Democracy isn't the cause of the problems you describe, capitalism is.
Listen to me you actual fricking moron
Money doesn't account for drunk mumbly violent black people coming into my retail store and throwing the race card when no you can't buy Hennessy (BECAUSE OF COURSE YOU WANT HENNESSY AND NOT THE MUCH CHEAPER AND SAME SHIT IN THE COGNAC PARK BOTTLE BECAUSE YEEZY DIDN'T SAY COGNAC PARK IN THAT RAP SO YOU FEEL NO DOPAMINE CHUGGING BRANDY YOU FRICKING CARGO CULTI-) because surely I'm just hiding the booze from you.
Money doesn't account for being in Hurricane Harvey and watching two israeli insurance dealers in my apartment complex watching the storm and instead of comforting or coming together with the rest of the complex stuck in the rain, scanning the construction getting rained on and hearing them coordinate who will hit up which house and when, because the water damage will take eight years to get noticable and then they can make a profit out of them not knowing what's wrong with their homes (before I left I made sure to leave notes in everyone's mailboxes warning them of those people and the water damage they were sitting on)
Money doesn't account for media, society and culture saying that I both don't exist and I'm crazy for imagining it, and then using my skin as a strawman for all of your hate and your society cracking and breaking because neolibs are fleecing a failed society to bail on it.
Maybe in a homogenous society the money would still be there but it's not JUST the fricking money. I have grown a hatred of israelites, blacks, and anti-whites all without having any monetary delay on my behalf, and their actions enable this righteous hate to grow. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's rain.
>what are you willing to do to achieve it?
Whatever it needs to happen. If it can be solved with legislation soft power and some light multicultral acceptances, great, let’s get it started. If it can’t, then it can’t, but this mess can’t continue. >what do you want to happen
I want our manifest destiny back, and I want it aimed at the stars. I want White America colonzing space, new planets, to eventually secede and become their own nations. I want to make it impossible to eradicate us.
Long term I want that for all races, to leave Earth forever and leave her as a nature reserve for other species to grow and leave the celestial menagerie themselves. Earth is a nest with twenty different baby birds shoved together and its untenable. What economics comes from that isn’t my concern, we can’t function slapdashing cultures together, we never have.
So the black man wants to buy something because capitalism said so...
The israelite wants to profit off of capitalism...
And the problem isn't capitalism?
>Democracy isn't the cause of the problems you describe, capitalism is.
Listen to me you actual fricking moron
Money doesn't account for drunk mumbly violent black people coming into my retail store and throwing the race card when no you can't buy Hennessy (BECAUSE OF COURSE YOU WANT HENNESSY AND NOT THE MUCH CHEAPER AND SAME SHIT IN THE COGNAC PARK BOTTLE BECAUSE YEEZY DIDN'T SAY COGNAC PARK IN THAT RAP SO YOU FEEL NO DOPAMINE CHUGGING BRANDY YOU FRICKING CARGO CULTI-) because surely I'm just hiding the booze from you.
Money doesn't account for being in Hurricane Harvey and watching two israeli insurance dealers in my apartment complex watching the storm and instead of comforting or coming together with the rest of the complex stuck in the rain, scanning the construction getting rained on and hearing them coordinate who will hit up which house and when, because the water damage will take eight years to get noticable and then they can make a profit out of them not knowing what's wrong with their homes (before I left I made sure to leave notes in everyone's mailboxes warning them of those people and the water damage they were sitting on)
Money doesn't account for media, society and culture saying that I both don't exist and I'm crazy for imagining it, and then using my skin as a strawman for all of your hate and your society cracking and breaking because neolibs are fleecing a failed society to bail on it.
Maybe in a homogenous society the money would still be there but it's not JUST the fricking money. I have grown a hatred of israelites, blacks, and anti-whites all without having any monetary delay on my behalf, and their actions enable this righteous hate to grow. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's rain.
>Money doesn't account for drunk mumbly violent black people coming into my retail store
Yes, it does. >Money doesn't account for being in Hurricane Harvey and watching two israeli insurance dealers
Yes, it does. >Money doesn't account for media, society and culture saying
Yes, it does.
It has clear cut issues. Very much so that when it devolves into Plutocracy. You cannot have people with no real stake in a country vote on bullshit because then it just becomes a zero sum game of who can promise more gibs.
Eating the rich just leads to moronic Central Planning because Socialists are too weak to not allow strong men to take over.
>Eating the rich just leads to moronic Central Planning because Socialists are too weak to not allow strong men to take over.
Socialists aren't weak, they're fascists with a better grift. It's the same despots promising prosperity to dumb kids in order to seize power.
correct and we'll see its consequences in the following decades if not earlier
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2019/04/05/the-world-economy-is-a-pyramid-scheme-steven-chu-says/?sh=69586ee34f17
>The ending scene is Pinocchio, after having killed millions, is publicly executed by means of a woodchipper by an army of unicorns >Pinocchio's remains fall into a bin, not too shortly before sit ablaze >The movie finally ends with a large dance party with all the movie's good guys in the middle of a destroyed city
>No one will care!
Correct.
Fables only appeals to edgy teens thinking giving Disney movies the HBO treatment is clever and neckbeards self inserting as Bigby.
>during the rise of fascism
del Toro is such a one trick pony. That's the problem I have with this. We've already seen shit from this period, like Porco Rosso, and to be frank it isn't all that interesting.
It's an interesting take, but Del Toro's political commentary is too on the nose, and he loves making cartoonishly evil villains who he later expects the audience to take 100% seriously. Pan's Labirynth and Shape of Water have those issues that drag those movies down despite the wonderful creativity they have.
>thread about a bog standard "we're not like those OTHER fairytale adaptions!" pinocchio adaption turned into this
and americans wonder why they're so disliked in and out of country
goddamn it del taco, stop being all political with this and just make something fun. Pacific Rim had potential to grow into something great but he just had to leave after the first movie and gave the IP to buffoons
Look guys I love me some del Toro and OTGW but I'm not sure about this premise of Mussolini wanting to turn Pinocchio into a super soldier. Can't we just have the original story outside of a Disney lens? I mean he gets eaten by a whale and almost gets turned into a donkey
Eh not digging it. Seems like besides wooden automatons it doesn't have a lot to do with Pinocchio, it even looks more like England than it does Italy. It's no Madness Returns
I hope the Terrible Dogfish looks cool and scary like Monstro did in the Disney film. It really showcased his power and the sheer powerlessness of getting caught in the open ocean.
but will there be a gay kiss on screen?
From that old methuselah, you're so sick anon.
>it's a classic fairy tale but dark and gritty and a commentary on politics
Getting real tired of this shit.
Can you guys not?
For a change?
NO I CAN'T
YOU KEEP BRINGING UP SHIT I DON'T LIKE AND GET MAD WHEN I DON'T LIKE IT
CARTOONS AREN'T GONNA MAKE ME FORGET THAT FOUR BLACK PEOPLE KIDNAPPED AND TORTURED A WHITE MAN ON FACEBOOK FOR HOURS WITHOUT MOD INVERVENTION, A israelite JUDGE ALMOST DISMISSED THE CASE AND GOOGLE ACTIVELY AFFECTS ITS ALGORITHM TO MAKE THE CASE HARD TO SEARCH FOR
SOCIETY IS ANTI-WHITE FRICKING SHITBERG AND I WANT TO WATCH THE FUNNY CARTOONS AND I CAN'T EVEN AVOID IT HERE
THE WORLD IS CANCER AND AIDS AND NO AMOUNT OF REPORTING ME TO JANNIES WILL CHANGE THAT YOU REMIND ME OF THIS SHITTY ANTI-WHITE homosexual FELLATING israelite-MASTERMIND CANCER PLANET I WILL PASSIVE AGGRESSIVELY SIGH AND BEMOAN REMINDERS OF ITS EXISTENCE AND YOU DON'T GET TO COME HERE AND TELL ME I CAN'T EVEN GET MAD AT IT HERE
FRICK YOU
FRICK YOUR FRICKING NEED TO CRITIQUE AND REVISE EVERYTHING GET OUT OF MY WOLD
I ALREADY WNAT TO KILL MTYSEF STOP MAKING MEW NAT OT TAKE YOU gayOTS WITZH ME
DON'T MOVE DON'T GOOOOOOOOOOOOO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>I ALREADY WNAT TO KILL MTYSEF
Hahahahahaha!
This board has so many insane crackpots they should rename the header to say Cinemaphile - Arkham Asylum and Looney Tunes.
>R*ddit spacing
Kys troony
I can't tell what's supposed to be a shitpost and what's the genuine schizo article anymore
Poe's Law.
Me neither anon. There there.
>FOUR BLACK PEOPLE KIDNAPPED AND TORTURED A WHITE MAN ON FACEBOOK FOR HOURS WITHOUT MOD INTERVENTION
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Chicago_hate_crime_torture#Aftermath_and_reactions
Found it just by searching for that exactly in the greentext
Become a mod, try to get a lot
Benicio started it
Name (10) you homo.
Classic fairy tales are grim and gritty, you manchild.
The original is more fricked
I'm getting tired of altright dipshits who escaped the Cinemaphile moron farm whining about how triggered and oppressed they are every fricking second of the day and yet, here you are.
Frick off. Disney being nothing but sunshine and rainbows for the last 15 years is what I'm tired of. I welcome any return back to more grimdark kids animation.
>Get an adult animated film
>It isn't DUDE WEED and LMAO SEX
>Ugh this is too dark and gritty
Ask me how I know you're American
>fairy tale is dark and gritty i don't like it
don't tell me you believe the original red riding hood ended with everyone happily ever after
>>it's a classic fairy tale but dark and gritty and a commentary on politics
But the original Pinocchio story is dark and gritty and a commentary on politics.
Americans don't read books anon. All they do is watch TV and laugh and clap at the movies.
And we still rule your seething ass, lol
>And we still rule your seething ass, lol
Your country is Israel AND Saudi Arabia's b***h, you don't rule shit lmao
Its an abstract kind of hell, so boring
sincerity and sweetness would be refreshing but no, always grim and related to fricking politics
Oh no, if only you had:
>Turning Red
>Encanto
>Soul
>Frozen
>Frozen II
>Inside Out
>frozen
>not political
It's an lgbt metaphor
Lol
you serious?
Which of those are grim and not sweet?
>t.Disneygay
It's Guillermo del Toro, you fricking philistine.
That fat mexican should mind his own goddamm business.
>it's a classic fairy tale but dark and gritty
Confirmed for never actually reading any classic fairy tales.
>a classic fairy tale
>but dark and gritty
I take you never read any classic fairy tales
>it's a classic fairy tale but dark and gritty
>but dark and gritty
Fricking casual, the originals were dark and gritty.
>it's a classic fairy tale but dark and gritty and a commentary on politics
Literally every classic fairy tale is dark and gritty and focused on politics. Shit like Disney and other sanitized retellings have brainwashed people into thinking otherwise
>get Cinemaphilemblr triggered
Based, fpbp
And frick fat Taco
>Cinemaphilemblr
the irony...
>say something moronic
>get called out
>"h-hurr triggered"
Never not sad
>it's a classic fairy tale but dark and gritty
DISNEYTARD DETECTED
jesus christ shut he frick up and kys already
That's like saying that ice cream is too sweet.
It will fade in history and they will lose 50 million dollars
Del Toro wage will be reduced and he will be older and angrier
It's good
This is why nobody should ever listen to Cinemaphile.
I'm being carefully optimistic, despite Shape of Water and the mess he left the Hobbit movies in for Jackson to pick up.
Shape of Water was admittedly a matter of taste, I liked it myself, but no one should blame Del Toro for the abomination that the Hobbit movies turned out to be. Del Toro left in large part due to how much the studio insisted on sticking its dick into the picture, and when he left they threw money at Jackson until he came back purely for the paycheck and let them do what they wanted.
>Del Toro left in large part due to how much the studio insisted on sticking its dick into the picture, and when he left they threw money at Jackson until he came back purely for the paycheck and let them do what they wanted.
If this had all been before preproduction, sure, more power to him for sticking with his guns.
But when you have thousands of people whose livelihood depends on you getting along with the higher ups, then either hash everything out beforehand or don't bother at all. The movies are shit, but Jackson made the best of the mess del Toro left behind, so everyone would actually get paid.
>But when you have thousands of people whose livelihood depends on you getting along with the higher ups, then either hash everything out beforehand or don't bother at all
This implies that it is not in the power of the studio to agree to something up front and then start dicking with you later in production (because they still control the money) which is something that happens all the time. It happened with Sam Rami on Spiderman 4, which is why we never got a Spiderman 4. Hilarious story there, actually. Worth looking up.
>This implies that it is not in the power of the studio to agree to something up front and then start dicking with you later in production
Then he was either expecting his name would be enough to ensure his vision for the movie or went into the thing prepared to walk away and leave everyone else up shit creek.
Neither makes him look particularly good.
>No, see, it's the studio's meddling that makes del Toro the bad guy!
Found the WB intern
>Hey Del Toro, you wanna make The Hobbit?
>Sure! Here's some concept art and other preproduction materials of my plan. How does it look?
>Great! We'll take it!
*Filming starts
>Hey, Del Toro, my man! You know that movie we approved of earlier, well; we changed our minds, we want you to scrap the whole thing and do it differently
This is somehow Del Toro's fault
That's not what happened
>Hey Del Toro, you wanna make The Hobbit?
>Sure! Here's some concept art and other preproduction materials of my plan. How does it look?
>Great! We'll take it!
>Hey Del Toro, we will have to delay filming until we settle this legal dispute with the Toliken estate
>Ok I will wait
>Hey we need to keep delaying as the dispute is ongoing
>Frick you I'm leaving
>>Hey we need to keep delaying as the dispute is ongoing
>>Frick you I'm leaving
Yeah, the millionaire director walking away because he didn't feel like putting in the time and dedication.
Which, again, I wouldn't have much of problem with if it didn't screw over everyone else involved.
>In 2010, del Toro left the project because of ongoing delays. On 28 May he explained at a press conference that owing to MGM's financial troubles the Hobbit project had then not been officially green-lit at the time. "There cannot be any start dates until the MGM situation gets resolved .... We have designed all the creatures. We've designed the sets and the wardrobe. We have done animatics and planned very lengthy action sequences. We have scary sequences and funny sequences and we are very, very prepared for when it's finally triggered, but we don't know anything until MGM is solved
>Two days later, del Toro announced at TheOneRing.net that "In light of ongoing delays in the setting of a start date for filming", he would "take leave from helming", further stating that "the mounting pressures of conflicting schedules have overwhelmed the time slot originally allocated for the project. ... I remain an ally to it and its makers, present and future, and fully support a smooth transition to a new director
Disregarding all the corporate BS, that statement really just tells you is that he didn't factor in delays or the possibility of extensive reshoots, which would be dumb in every major Hollywood production and doubly so for this project, given the history of the LotR movies. Jackson spent 8 fricking years and half his body weight on those things.
I don't know why the frick you care so much about this, but it's pretty pathetic watching you make post after post b***hing about Del Toro, coming up with increasingly ridiculous statements attempting to establish him as shitty.
Anon I keep telling you the delay was because of legal drama
God damn it, I was already mad we're never gonna get his version of the movie, but now I'm even madder.
He didn't leave because of studio meddling, he left because the movies kept getting delay was the studio was going through some legal drama with the Tolkien estate
Well god damn, does the boot leather on WB's feet taste THAT good or what?
I don't give a frick about WB.
I care for Del Toro taking his ball and going home like pouting child when it turned out the thing was slightly more work than he anticipated.
What Del Taco left for The Hobbit was fine. Pic related, this was his orc boss. What happened is that after he left and Jackson settled his lawsuit the studio said "we want something that looks and feels like the original trilogy, not this fairy tale two-parter bullshit Guillermo was working on" so they made Peter scrap all pre-production and start from scratch. Thus the rush and lack of planning well into production
forgot pic
but yeah, del taco was planning two movies with a more "fairy tale" (his words) feel to it that only became grand with the final battle of the armies.
just read the hobbit. his beorn would have been badass if given the chance
DT wasn't responsible for shitting on the hobbit.
so its pans labyrinth but with pinocchio? bravo del toro
sigh
I'm getting sick of latinx mogging us, ameribros
>spaniard
>latino
No
GDT is Mexican
Del Toro is a proud beaner even if he happens to be a cannellini bean.
>dude 20th century infringed governments are....LE BAD!
I'm getting tired of this gimmick
I know this is bait but Fascist Italy is objectively the most embarrassing to ever happen to Italy. You can suck Crossdressing Nazi German wiener if you really want, but Benito 'Sword of Islam' Mussolini took a moderately powerful nation and ran it into the ground. Yes, it was bad.
Who said I liked Nazism or Fascisms you stupid homosexual? Of course it was bad. I'm just tired of movies obsessing over dead ideologies
>Dude the 20th century was like a bajillion years ago
I know for an American zoomer that might as well be ancient history, but in terms of the history of the world it was last Tuesday.
Nobody supports fascism except for a fringe minority of weird internet people
Who said anything about anyone supporting fascism? This is just recent history, why are you so upset that it's being covered? Give it till 2060 and I'm sure you can have movies about Fortnite or whatever it is you're wanting
>ZOOMER ZOOMER ZOOMER
Calm down M*llenial
And American Republicans.
This is just a soft reboot of pan's labyrinth
>the scene where pinochio stands in front of this thing
>that pinocchio re-design
wait a sec...
>Redesign
You know... Disney didn't MAKE Pinocchio, right?
I just assumed that disney is involved because they love to bogart IPs. seems its not the case here, I stand corrected
Disney is doing a live-action movie with an ugly black fairy and Tom Hanks as Gepetto.
What does Cinemaphile actually want? At this point I’m confused why some of the people in this thread even post here?
another del toro/ron perlman hellboy movie
I loved Hellboy 2 and was bummed by not getting the next chapter too. That was 14 years ago. Ron Perlman is in his 70s. They already rebooted it terribly. Mike Mignola has become a hack in that span of time. Del Toro has been completely burnt out from trying to pilot big studio projects that ultimately failed projects like In the Mouth of Madness, Pacific Rim 2, and his Hobbit films. He’s completely pivoted to purely original films with smaller budgets that allow him creative control.
It was time to move on a decade ago.
>They already rebooted it terribly.
yeah, I saw the trailer when it came out and decided I'm just not gonna watch that shit. Perlman was perfect for the role
>It was time to move on a decade ago.
no I'm still mad about no del toro hellboy 3 but whatever. probably the only way to go forward with a new Mignola adaptation would be a BPRD film, but I can only imagine maybe someone like Zahler pulling it off.
wish Zahler didn’t disappear off the face of the earth, I loved his films
I completely lost it when this happened
cronenberg was right about mid budget movies
I didn't know Del Toro had so many failed projects, but I'm glad he was able to remake Nightmare Alley. I actually really enjoyed that movie, and I think it's better than his hits like Pan's Labyrinth and Crimson Peak. I don't follow the box office, but I hope it did well.
I liked it as well. The ending was really dour.
>I don’t follow the box office, but I hope it did well.
Nope, flopped big time. Did manage to squeak in a Best Picture nomination as the very last slot, for what it’s worth.
I’m a lil disappointed, not because it’s against fascism or whatever but just because this looks like a retread of one his earlier works, pans labyrinth. Hopefully he’s self awareness enough to realize that and do something unique
What happened to Henry Selick anyway
still making his Key and Peele troony film, supposed to come out this year
he is also working on his own kino
>opens the trailer with Freakin' Out
alright i'm in
I can't believe we got a bunch of CGI bullshit instead of this. CGI really did ruin the filmaking industry, it made everyone on all stratas complacent
>her eyes
no its not cgi but i wouldnt surprised if the background environment was.
Sorry, meant to reply
to this
Selick is good shit, I have no complaints there
ayy lmao
But why though?
I'm really starting to wonder if Fascism would work, or at the very least be better than what we have now, this rotting corpse of a society where fewer people can afford to start a family, instead they just import more workers.
sure hasn't worked every time it has been tried
Arguing either for or against fascism in practice is tricky because 1 is not a pattern, statistically speaking.
And no, national socialism isn't the same thing.
He's actually more and more of a liked figure in Italy now. He gave an interview before the War ended and basically stated that he was going to die because he lost, but that "history might wash me clean."
Also Spain I guess is an example of a Fascist country that worked, although Franco never called himself that and he just let partisans die in WW2 in Russia. Then again Del Taco has a rose tinted view of the Spanish Civil War.
Well give it another decade or so and we might find out... people like you won't obviously because you'll be executed for "domestic terrorism" but the rest of us will
I wish we had a button to press that would magically send morons like you back to go live in Poland or Germany back in the late 30s to early 40s.
Why not send him to countries that had long-term fascism like Spain or Chile, instead of wartorn nations that will only confirm his biases that if they weren't invaded it would work?
Just read Maus for the first time, so Fascist Poland/Germany were the first fascist places to come to mind.
>instead of wartorn nations that will only confirm his biases that if they weren't invaded
...What? Germany was the invader--the "wartearing" wouldn't have happened if not for Germany's fascist expansion. Don't really get your point here.
The point is going to a nation functioning without a war going on so you can eliminate that factor as to why he’s uncomfortable. I wouldn’t want to be in 1940s Soviet Russia either.
do you not know why world war 2 started? it was not the israelites buddy. Maybe look into the german children playing with money like building blocks after world war 1 and tell me Germany was not war torn. Truly an American take that has never had war on it's doorsteps. Not since the civil war at least.
>do you not know why world war 2 started? it was not the israelites buddy.
When the frick did I say it was? Seriously, quote the line which indicates that.
Because... they don’t count! we all know fascism always loses
Fascism always loses when america doesn't fund it. Hence not many stuck around after the Soviet Union came crashing down.
>countries don’t work without stable economies
Golly gee willikers
>Chile
>Long-term Fascism
Go suck Mon Laferte's saggy breasts, ñuñoa
Your problem is that you are seeking a political solution to an economic problem. Democracy isn't the cause of the problems you describe, capitalism is. In a world with finite money, you cannot make some people billionaries without making a million other people poorer. That money has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is the lower classes. Likewise, capitalism creates the incentive to just move your industry off to third world countries that will do it cheaper to increase profits, because profits are the only thing that matters.
Fascism isn't the solution to your problem. Eating the rich and dismantling the tools they have used to insulate themselves from consequences and take away your voice is the solution to your problem.
>Democracy isn't the cause of the problems you describe, capitalism is.
Listen to me you actual fricking moron
Money doesn't account for drunk mumbly violent black people coming into my retail store and throwing the race card when no you can't buy Hennessy (BECAUSE OF COURSE YOU WANT HENNESSY AND NOT THE MUCH CHEAPER AND SAME SHIT IN THE COGNAC PARK BOTTLE BECAUSE YEEZY DIDN'T SAY COGNAC PARK IN THAT RAP SO YOU FEEL NO DOPAMINE CHUGGING BRANDY YOU FRICKING CARGO CULTI-) because surely I'm just hiding the booze from you.
Money doesn't account for being in Hurricane Harvey and watching two israeli insurance dealers in my apartment complex watching the storm and instead of comforting or coming together with the rest of the complex stuck in the rain, scanning the construction getting rained on and hearing them coordinate who will hit up which house and when, because the water damage will take eight years to get noticable and then they can make a profit out of them not knowing what's wrong with their homes (before I left I made sure to leave notes in everyone's mailboxes warning them of those people and the water damage they were sitting on)
Money doesn't account for media, society and culture saying that I both don't exist and I'm crazy for imagining it, and then using my skin as a strawman for all of your hate and your society cracking and breaking because neolibs are fleecing a failed society to bail on it.
Maybe in a homogenous society the money would still be there but it's not JUST the fricking money. I have grown a hatred of israelites, blacks, and anti-whites all without having any monetary delay on my behalf, and their actions enable this righteous hate to grow. Don't piss on my head and tell me it's rain.
tl;dr lol
HA HO
CAN ANYBODY HEAR US
>Incoherent squeaking and crying
IT'S ALL ONE BIG MONOLOGUE OF
Okay. So you want to create a harmonious, homogenous society. And what are you willing to do to achieve it? What would you want to happen?
>what are you willing to do to achieve it?
Whatever it needs to happen. If it can be solved with legislation soft power and some light multicultral acceptances, great, let’s get it started. If it can’t, then it can’t, but this mess can’t continue.
>what do you want to happen
I want our manifest destiny back, and I want it aimed at the stars. I want White America colonzing space, new planets, to eventually secede and become their own nations. I want to make it impossible to eradicate us.
Long term I want that for all races, to leave Earth forever and leave her as a nature reserve for other species to grow and leave the celestial menagerie themselves. Earth is a nest with twenty different baby birds shoved together and its untenable. What economics comes from that isn’t my concern, we can’t function slapdashing cultures together, we never have.
So the black man wants to buy something because capitalism said so...
The israelite wants to profit off of capitalism...
And the problem isn't capitalism?
Finally, someone who gets it.
>Money doesn't account for drunk mumbly violent black people coming into my retail store
Yes, it does.
>Money doesn't account for being in Hurricane Harvey and watching two israeli insurance dealers
Yes, it does.
>Money doesn't account for media, society and culture saying
Yes, it does.
>Democracy
>not a problem
It has clear cut issues. Very much so that when it devolves into Plutocracy. You cannot have people with no real stake in a country vote on bullshit because then it just becomes a zero sum game of who can promise more gibs.
Eating the rich just leads to moronic Central Planning because Socialists are too weak to not allow strong men to take over.
>Eating the rich just leads to moronic Central Planning because Socialists are too weak to not allow strong men to take over.
Socialists aren't weak, they're fascists with a better grift. It's the same despots promising prosperity to dumb kids in order to seize power.
>can an expansionist ideology work
no
Capitalism is expansionist tho
correct and we'll see its consequences in the following decades if not earlier
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2019/04/05/the-world-economy-is-a-pyramid-scheme-steven-chu-says/?sh=69586ee34f17
Oh, cool, just making sure we're on the same page.
most modern republics are fascist leaning today and actively fighting to dismantle their institutions
>US & UK progressives
>latam+filipino syndie populists
>east euro conservative populists
>most of west africa
all crypto fascists who think the separation of state powers is merely a suggestion.
>The ending scene is Pinocchio, after having killed millions, is publicly executed by means of a woodchipper by an army of unicorns
>Pinocchio's remains fall into a bin, not too shortly before sit ablaze
>The movie finally ends with a large dance party with all the movie's good guys in the middle of a destroyed city
>Changes timeless story to be political trash
3 Pinnocchio movies in a year and not one decent one
>How do I hide the fact I read a part of the Wooden Soldiers in Fables?
>I don't! No one will care!
>No one will care!
Correct.
Fables only appeals to edgy teens thinking giving Disney movies the HBO treatment is clever and neckbeards self inserting as Bigby.
No one of consequence cares.
>during the rise of fascism
del Toro is such a one trick pony. That's the problem I have with this. We've already seen shit from this period, like Porco Rosso, and to be frank it isn't all that interesting.
It's an interesting take, but Del Toro's political commentary is too on the nose, and he loves making cartoonishly evil villains who he later expects the audience to take 100% seriously. Pan's Labirynth and Shape of Water have those issues that drag those movies down despite the wonderful creativity they have.
well in communism the black man wouldn't want henny
>another fricking pinocho movie
please stop
>THis is my nation
No, it isn't lmao.
>you act like MY people or leave
So, you would have them throw unhinged tantrums on anonymous image boards?
>said the mass replier
Stop motion is live action not a cartoon
what is the definition of animation anon
This doesn’t sound like an actual adaptation of the book, more like dark and edgy fanfiction.
>fascism bad! drumpf bad!
Cringe
>mentions fascism
>immediately thinks of trump without him being mention
o i am laffin
that's an interesting take
>mass replying for damage control
Cronos is the best Del Toro movie.
Don't (You) me.
>thread about a bog standard "we're not like those OTHER fairytale adaptions!" pinocchio adaption turned into this
and americans wonder why they're so disliked in and out of country
>muh fascism
Yawn
Has Guillermo del Toro ever made a good movie outside of the first Hellboy?
Based
These posters have child porn
samehomosexual.
>political
but italian fascism was cool...
America is perennially stuck in WW2, someone put it out of its misery.
This so much with 9/11 to be the candles on the cake
>if this puppet will not die it will make the perfect soldier
Kind of a good point there.
>another Hollywood picture about facism that ignores it's a form of socialism
It will be better than the Zemeckis version, thats for sure.
goddamn it del taco, stop being all political with this and just make something fun. Pacific Rim had potential to grow into something great but he just had to leave after the first movie and gave the IP to buffoons
McHale kino incoming
wtf is this thread
>it's going to be pretty good only to have a shit ending
I'm good thanks
Look guys I love me some del Toro and OTGW but I'm not sure about this premise of Mussolini wanting to turn Pinocchio into a super soldier. Can't we just have the original story outside of a Disney lens? I mean he gets eaten by a whale and almost gets turned into a donkey
>of Mussolini wanting to turn Pinocchio into a super soldier.
unironically not the only property with the same concept that will release this year.
Eh not digging it. Seems like besides wooden automatons it doesn't have a lot to do with Pinocchio, it even looks more like England than it does Italy. It's no Madness Returns
I hope the Terrible Dogfish looks cool and scary like Monstro did in the Disney film. It really showcased his power and the sheer powerlessness of getting caught in the open ocean.