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I might not really like black women, but Asha's cute
Might have even watched the movie if there was a vehicle for me to self insert into
The cute ones are cute because they don’t have the intrinsic facial features of subsaharans.
How high was the budget?
>$175–200 million[2][3]
How the frick do these projects cost so much?
>54 executives on the credits
Ah so it’s money laundering
They all are, nearly every damn movie is made into its own company so if it flops they can do a big ol' tax write off. The issue is that they can only do this so many times before it catches up.
They can do it an infinite number of times if they’re not actually losing the money.
But they are losing the money. Unless you think Disney somehow make movies with magic dust and not dollars.
If this shit worked, Uve Boll would still make movies. You need profits if you want to make money on tax write off
diversity hires that do nothing all day lmfao
They prolly payed 20 rupees to a hundred pajeets animators and then the ((executives)) keep the money
covid-19 delayed the production
>inflated like all their slop 200M for no reason
3D CGI is prohibatively expensive, and it's ALL done in-house in USA at union dues. They animate the face hairs of their hideous goblins and that is insanely time consuming. My guess would be trying to time proof these films by making them go to 16K if they need to (not that anyone cares).
The live action films also cost so much because of CGI. CGI is never about saving money it's about saving time so that you can churn out more films faster and quicker so you have an endless assembly line of content. And being CGI and shot from different angles allows producers and execs to have final say in everything thus "perfecting" the films and removing the scriptwriter, cinematographer, and directors, whom they think just get in the way.
>Oppenheimer budget: 100 million
Shooting on location is actually way cheaper.
Big blockbuster animated and live action films are dead and Disney has to pivot fast.
>Big blockbuster animated and live action films are dead and Disney has to pivot fast.
The Mario movie made over a billion. Animated feature films aren't some sort of fad, they have been popular since the 1950s. If anything, parents are craving a good family friendly animated movie they can take their children to. There is no fatigue for the genre itself, there is a fatigue for the woke shit versions of those movies.
People are going to cinemas far less and only going if they see something interesting. So Barbie and Mario made over a billion because those are the one film people are gonna see a year while they skip the rest. It's becoming way way way more risky for films and the general trend is for cinemas to die outright.
If the film was a celebration of 100 years of Disney they should have just said that from the beginning and marketed it as such. It is not noticeable from the outset at all.
yeah keep moving the goalposts I'm sure that'll help your crappy movies
Do you know how it was before the age of streaming and "content"? One or two major film events a year was common, now it feels like its every other month. We're course correcting
It would've done better if it was in celebration of the first 90 years and forgot about the last 10.
the fricking once upon a studio short they released does more as a hommage to their 100 year mark than this feature film
>People are going to cinemas far less and only going if they see something interesting.
Yeah that's the problem...nothing interesting
Fewer Eggs, bigger basket.
Spielberg was talking about this a decade ago. There's no room for modestly-budgeted theatrical films anymore, so studios will just make bigger and bigger tentpoles to recoup the cost. But there'll only be room for a couple of "Mario" films a year, and if you miss that you'll be left with a "Marvels" or "Flash" size bomb. High Risk, High reward. Hopefully streaming will give the modestly budgeted films some breathing room, after the DEI phase fizzles out.
lol their pivoting it AI Generated SLOP and you know it
huh? i don't recall this scene from "wish"!
>3D CGI is prohibatively expensive, and it's ALL done in-house in USA at union dues
lol
lmao
Sukdik and Ramjeet of Hyderabad send their regards
Oppenheimer also made fantastic money considering it’s a historical drama and 99% of the scenes are people in rooms talking. Cinema isn’t dead, but the studios making garbage nobody wants to watch certainly are dying
>CGI is prohibatively expensive, and it's ALL done in-house in USA at union dues.
Why were The Last Wish, Mario and Ruby Gillman so much cheaper though?
>3D CGI is prohibatively expensive, and it's ALL done in-house in USA at union dues.
Check the credits homie, it's all poojeets
>Check the credits homie, it's all poojeets
Pixar and Disney animation are mostly in-house in USA which is why they cost so much. The live action films are the ones outsourcing it mostly to India and third worlders.
oppenheimer costs 100 mil because the actors took a paycut to work with nolan and nolan himself had a deal that gave him 20% of the first dollar gross. which means the movie needed 400 mil to breakeven even though a regular 100 mil budget movie would only need 250 mil
it made nearly a billion so it's a big success of course, but its situation is different to most movies in terms of budgeting
>nolan himself had a deal that gave him 20% of the first dollar gross
kek this moron agreed to a deal worth 20 cents
>pic
Does anybody enjoy this?
Do actors, production, editors, etc. enjoy making movies that are 85% green screen?
Do people enjoy watching slop that's so obviously cgi'd out the ass?
>How the frick do these projects cost so much?
They don't know how to make a cheap movie.
It's absolutely money laundering.
Inflation unironically but these big animation productions are expensive
Oh no no no no no
inflated like all their slop 200M for no reason
So the real budget is actually $350m+
200 million dollars + marketing
Which means it needs 600 million to break even
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Why is international so low?
Black person protagonist
Black lead
Only westoid want black protags and woke shit.
No we don't, we're just told we do.
Nah, you guys love it. Despite being only 4% of the population, 64% of Wish's Box office collection comes from America.
Yeah, 63% of 49 million. We (had) a very robust movie watching base, if we were actually going out and seeing it then it would've made actual money. Most releases probably have a primarily American audience, just like how most threads on Cinemaphile are filled with American posters. We get around and do shit, most of us still don't want this.
Because it's an American movie, moron. Only a tiny percentage of Americans paid to see this shit.
This film appeals to no one but the moorish we wuzzery of african americans
We're in the middle of a global pandemic
Definitely. Everyone has a bad case of "not watching shitty movies anymore"
Also the housing bubble
World is tired of globohomo
Black woman main characters.
Boys can't relate, non-black girls can't relate.
I can relate. It's just what I am relating to isn't interesting so I have no reason to watch.
Like I can see why Hitler wanted to exterminate the israelites. That doesn't mean that I too want to exterminate the israelites.
>Like I can see why Hitler wanted to exterminate the israelites. That doesn't mean that I too want to exterminate the israelites.
ngmi
90% of the world are okay with white protagonists due to a century's worth of movies and tv shows featuring white people. You can swap to asians and most of the world would be okay with that. However put in a black lead in and everyone hates that except the 10%.
unironically ipad kids,
kids are watching baby sneed on their parents ipads, no parent is being yelled at to watch WISH.
Alley-oop aaaand
YEA WE DID IT, ESLs
The United States worships black culture and darkies in general. The rest of the world is deeply afraid of them.
it only premieres in fricking 2024 over here for some reason
You sound mad when you're actually being blessed.
more like dumbfolded
Black lead unironically
fatigue
imagine being forced to go to the zoo every day of your life but the only animals you are allowed to see are the monkeys, and sometimes the monkeys throw shit at you
that's Hollywood and the uk
Tickets cost 16€. Adhd kids who can't concentrate through the whole movie and plot seems boring. Will just wait for D+.
It whitewashes the oppression the Moors inflicted on Iberia
A good chunk of Europe had to fight off moore invasions so I don't think they'll be too interested in a movie about ruling invaders
Because the world doesn't like black people. and that's not racism, that's just the fact that they're the most terrible race by every statistic.
It's not out yet.
>Why is international so low?
Antisemitism
Blacks are physically, mentally and spiritually repulsive to most humans
The trend seems to be that big blockbusters are dead and Disney didn't get the memo thinking it's still 2019. The trend is lower budget horror and comedy films.
Exactly. And PG-13 stuff has become unpopular bc it's seen as too confined and predictable
Trend my ass. Shit movies are dead. This is just a bunch of dumbass Exec speak to cover for hacks who don't know how to make movies.
Disney shouldn't have pushed the black moor propaganda in one of their most important films. YOU GOT WHAT YOU FRICKING DESERVE!
Disney profits from theme parks anyway.
nice cope mouseBlack person
That's not how it works in business. You can tell shareholders "oh we'll just use some theme park money to cover the expenses of the movie flops"
They're not gonna say it. They'll just do it and pretend everything is fine.
Doesn't work like that eithet: execs ate beholden to shareholders and not meeting certain projections means a lot of trouble and changes
I mean they were literally doing it to cover streaming losses by offsetting those losses into other departments.
Aren’t they being sued for that?
Again: that can't be done in public companies, whose shareholders legally have a say. Jason Kilar did something vaguely similar but not as scandalous (releasing some movies day and date on hbo max to increase subscriptions), was fired and remains out of a job to this day.
*can't
I actually wonder if it's even that bad or if Disney's just tainted its own brand so badly the plebs just aren't even interested in anything that isn't already an established commodity.
Yes they are starting to miss earnings projections and are in full blown panic mode
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/disney-ceo-bob-iger-reportedly-plans-townhall-employees-amid-turnaround
The town hall will be brutal. Going to be a lot of cuts and layoffs. If they're smart, they'll also start offshoring some of their animation work.
They need to get some experienced people working on their animation, need to broaden their films and they need to slash how much they're spending on everything (Animation is double the budget of Dreamworks and Sony, Theme Park rides are about 4-5x)
Disney is a poorly run mess hemorrhaging money, but it's amazing to me that a 10% gain in a year for an established stock is now considered lagging.
It is bad and Disneys name doesn't carry the weight it used to. They could still make bank trough nostalgia but then they pull shit like black mermaid and shot themselves in the foot.
They do deserve those failures for acting so incredibly stupid time and time again.
>They could still make bank trough nostalgia
they have *literally* remade everything that's carried any weight to every American aged 30-70. There is nothing left.
>Big blockbuster animated films are dead
All they have to do is stop making every princess a Black person girlboss and they'd make their money back.
They’re gonna remake Moana, Bambi and Sword in the Stone, even Flight of the fricking Navigator. They’re also starting to make things like sequels, prequels and spinoff tv shows to their live action remakes. We’re getting a prequel to Lion King 2019 next year
>Bambi
I can't wait to see bambi played by a gay transgender black woman.
omg yass slay, but i think a fatherless black bambi would be slightly problematic. How about we give thumper a lisp and make flowers into an asexual that is down for interracial skunk on whatever instead? See, if we keep bambi white coded then its subversive anti-family propaganda for the wh*tes and feminizing too because bambi will be a whiny momma's boy.
that'd be hilarious and on the nose, the bambi remake doesn't have the mother dying it has dad going out for a pack of smokes
>they have *literally* remade everything that's carried any weight to every American aged 30-70. There is nothing left.
anon... theres still song of the south.
>I actually wonder if it's even that bad or if Disney's just tainted its own brand so badly the plebs just aren't even interested in anything that isn't already an established commodity.
COVID killed theaters, and people just give tablets with netflix on it to kids now instead of taking them to theaters. Disney also competes with itself, where people just skip theaters to watch on D+ (which itself isn't profitable). Then on top of that families noticed that Disney films are pushy about homo-gay Nogs, and also seem to have lost the magic. So families are skipping it and moving to others like Nintendo.
>covid killed theaters
maybe stop cramming dindus down everyone's throats instead disney
Why did Barbie do so good Internationally ?
Because it's fricking Barbie, a globally recognized brand.
Attractive White people
Old ladies who grew up loving Barbie went to see it in the theater because they don't know how streaming works.
What's funny the dolls weren't even selling even after the movie came out, look what happens if you make a movie for middle age women
>be a giant ((media company))
>theaters give you money
>Netflix gives you money
>make billions
>decide to fix what isn't broken and make your own severely limited version of Netflix that only has your content
>undermine your own theatrical releases
>saddle yourself with crippling production costs for D+ content instead of the basically free money you got for licensing shit to Netflix without having do a damn thing
There was actually a very real threat of Netflix being a monopoly and thus dictating how much they can pay the studios for content, or else cut them off from wider viewership.
The spinoffs of the other streaming services basically prevented Netflix from doing that, but also saddled themselves with crippling debt and a fractured market.
Sony won by not participating in the streaming wars, while also benefiting from the ability to shop their licenses around to the highest bidder.
sony won by buying out anime streaming services here and there
>Sony bought out Manga Entertainment
>immediately dissolved the brand
I will never not hate them for literally killing my childhood.
Manga was literally nothing but an international licenser and distributor you fricking moron, they did nothing by themselves. The IPs they licensed were just rolled over to Funimation. All the fricking information in the world in front of you and you still choose to be a fricking ignorant idiot.
Manga Entertainment financed Ghost in the Shell. If it wasn't for them the film would have never been made. You can't fricking tell me that isn't a huge influence of Sci fi for the last 25+ years.
And the Ghost in the Shell IP still exists moron. That doesn't take away from the fact that Manga was primarily nothing but a licenser and distributor, not a producer. it's called eliminating redundancy
Without Production IG and Oshii backed by a big budget making it a cult classic, the IP would be languishing in obscurity, just like Appleseed and Dominion Tank Police.
And? You're still failing to see the point. Manga did nothing Sony already didn't already have in place which was distribution and licensing. They were closed to reduce redundancy. Nothing Manga has done post Ghost in the Shell was worth keeping them around in any capacity.
also a fairly niche but well respected manga/light novel vendor got bought out and ended up being absorbed into crunchyroll, can't recall the name
Sony technically participates since they own CrunchyRoll and they actually just rolled out a new streaming service in conjunction with their Playstation+ membership
WB is already putting their on Netflix again, right?
>COVID killed theaters
I can tell you that in the case of children, Millennial parents like my brother prefer to show their kids the movies they grew up with, the Disney classics from the 20th century, and maybe some Pixar stuff. Why waste money on a bunch of new mediocre movies when you can re-watch the REAL Little Mermaid and Lion King etc with your kiddos? Movie theaters have gotten insanely expensive, Disney+ isn't worth it anymore, and kids don't care about super high-fidelity images so getting blurays isn't worth it. The kids are totally fine watching 30+ year old VHS tapes and singing along and having a blast, and parents already know what's in those movies so they know which ones are appropriate for which age (not gonna show the four year old Hunchback, for instance).
Disney as a brand is still incredibly powerful, but the brand is powerful because of the nostalgia for their actually good movies. They already have a catalog of classic and beloved movies that can last an entire childhood, unless they make actually good movies again there's just no reason at all for parents to bother with the new shit. It blows my mind that the suits at Disney don't realize this.
one off from a legendary get, frick me
You'll always be a legendary get to me, VHS anon
>Disney's just tainted its own brand so badly the plebs just aren't even interested
Baby Boomers have a slavish brand loyalty because Snow White in colour blew their minds as children, and going to Disneyland at all was an Americana pilgrimage of sorts. That's the only people going to guttertrash like Indian Jones V and The Marvels -- or Wish. Everyone else actually pumping out the next generation is either economizing to the detriment of theaters or has the sense to stick to what they know of old content.
It's the 100th year curse, WB also had a shit 100th year
they put out the same bland movie for years not to mention the crt shit is actually unpopular
Furthermore, the grooming stuff really hurt them and their brand perhaps irreparably going forward and they just double down kek
Combine that with the shitty economy and how expense of movie tickets is
Going to the cinema has become a luxury
And seeing as the movies are trash anyway people are starting to wise up
All these things are having an effect
I don't trust Disney around my kids anymore. Simple as. This past black Friday they had a streaming sale where you could get Hulu for a year for .99. The add on offer was 12 Mos. of Disney plus for 2 bucks more/mo. I declined. It's a great deal, if I trusted their brand. I dont anymore. I dont want a vessel for gay and troony propaganda infiltrating my home.
>inb4 Hulu is just as bad.
Hulu is for me. I watch network shit I couldn't otherwise catch. I'm talking about something specifically for kids.
Tldr version. Yah Yidneys brand is irrevocably fricked with many parents.
>This past black Friday they had a streaming sale where you could get Hulu for a year for .99. The add on offer was 12 Mos. of Disney plus for 2 bucks
I took this deal beacsue I had just finished Lies of P and wanted to watch Pinocchio again. The service is trash, there's nothing good on it. I don't see how anyone could justify spending anything more than a couple of bucks a month on Disney+ and even then that's pushing it. They don't even have the non-special edition version of A New Hope available (which is ok because I have the de-specialized version pirated from years ago). Complete rip-off.
It’s fricking garbage, but the Disney name is an albatross now.
dont worry, Uncle Larry will bail them out
Only 500M and it will make profits, CHUDS!
It will have legs
Just like an amputee right?
this feels like a parody
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>Would
but would watch in theaters for $15?
money laundering, and they can claim it as a loss and tax writeoff.
They have had only one film that made money this year
you can only write that of for so long otherwise no business would ever go bankrupt
I still think Disney is intentionally tanking it’s brand to down size it’s assets but it takes time because npcs are cattle and Disney is such a juggernaut
They've got activist investors on their case, no fricking way they'd get away with cooking the books.
They're already getting shit for them using Disney+ to move losses between departments (Disney paying themselves $50m for streaming rights to their own films)
WHOMP
WHOMP
All those Black folks will be forgotten by time when Disney go bancrupt and every IP go to public domain. Nobody will remake a story with nigress princess while Snow or Cinderella will get dozen reboots by every studio. Woke people can't do stories that survive the test of time.
Holy shit! Disney acknowledging the Black Cauldron???
DIEEEEEEE YOU SONOFABISH
Left wing victories:
>Total media control
>Total control of Hollywood
>Mass immigration worldwide
>Trump indicted
>Gay rights globally
>Trans rights globally
>BLM movement globally
>Trump convicted of Sex crimes
>Green policies enacted globally
>Riot and destroy cities with no arrests or repercussions
>Total control of workplace policy
>Global abortion rights
Conservative victories:
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I DISLIKED THE TRAILER OF THE SUPERHERO FILM I HATE ON YOUTUBE AND DISNEY MADE LESS OF A PROFIT THAN EXPECTED I WIN I WIN!!!
Chuds really are pathetic, thank god their days are numbered
The culture is changing. Wokeness will fall
Taking the bait
Angrily taking the bait
>Angrily taking the bait
Not angrily my friend. There are leftists on here and they should know how they have been played like fools
You will never be a meme
Lmao
The delusions
>Left wing victories:
media control
control of Hollywood
>>Mass immigration worldwide
indicted
>>Gay rights globally
rights globally
>>BLM movement globally
convicted of Sex crimes
policies enacted globally
>>Riot and destroy cities with no arrests or repercussions
control of workplace policy
abortion rights
What is your definition of "globally"? California + some countries in Western Europe?
Haha left has been totally neutered. Look at in your post you mention nothing about:
Wages
Taxes
Unions
Increased environmental regulation
Big business/global elites have totally won. Leftism as an economic force has been totally defeated, now you focus on "trans rights"? What a joke.
Rich now own MORE wealth as a % compared to when Trump was in office. MORE WEALTH.
>Gay rights globally
Stopped reading right there
>left wing vitories
>entire western world is on the brink of an economic collapse the likes of which has never before been seen on earth
>with the collapse of the west, the rest of the world falls with them as the west had been upholding the world through various means
>dark age approaching rapidly
>atleast we can talk to kids about docking in schools tho lmao
The bigger travesty is that none of these new IPs are sticking and therefore Disney is slowly piling up an atrocious loss in toy sales and rewatch royalties. Toys make 10x what the original movie did, hypothetically.
Serious question:
When will they stop coping and realize the movies don't sell because of Black folk?
They already realized this years ago. They think they can brute force make us like Black folk and will continue trying until they destroy themselves
The problem is that people like Larry Fink is pushing ESG on companies and even threatened to sell all the shares of any company that is investment firm owns.
Disney and the other companies are worried that a sudden giant sell-off would kill their entire company but in reality if it is possible to tank the price like that people would just stop buying even at a heavily discounted price from the actual share price
ESG has been dead for a year or two. It can only work in a low interest rate environment. t. A economist
But he still owns the shares and can sell them at any moment
Disney did say that they understand that it has been ruining the company so they might be changing it up to be better
Speaking of Disney did the AI fixed white Ariel version of the little mermaid ever get made?
ESG never actually "works" (returns a profit on investment) so why would the interest rate policy matter at all?
Losing some money to shape your enemy's culture is a small price to pay.
Do you morons not realize that the writers and directors people who make this shit are left wing? It's not just Disney suits
It's the entire creative side and the suits that mandated they be hired. Disney cannot course correct as long as one of them exists in the company.
Disney thought muh diversity was enough to sell shit, it isn't
A story with a non white lead can be sufficiently successful (like moana) to break even or more... but it NEEDS to have something going for it
Wish:
>shitty boring songs. The only princess fricking movie I don't recall having even 1 catchy tune
>boring plot
>boring characters
Barbie made bank despite the very yas queen slay message because it had an interesting (or at least unique) Plot, good leads and funnily enough a song catcher than the songs in the disney princess movie
>Disney thought muh diversity was enough to sell shit, it isn't
All the middle management who makes films are twitter addicts who genuinely believe every line of social media based feminist theory. They have no idea how to make a movie and think that feminist theory and diversity is all you need because it's all they know. They weren't trained in how to make good stories to begin with. And increasingly the upper management of these films are also unironic Feminist-bots as well (head of Marvel and Lucasfilm are feminist drones, and much of Pixar as well).
there's nothing "woke" about Wish, it just looks boring and generic.
I love how libtards have started to deny the wokeness in their products, they're afraid. Good.
Having dark skin "European" princess is inherently woke and you will never be able to convince people otherwise
blacks have no place in Europe historically or in the modern age
They should all be sent back to where they're from
Everyone LITERALLY everyone is happier when we're segregated
europe isn't white anymore so it fits
boring songs. The only princess fricking movie I don't recall having even 1 catchy tune
they unironically got a bunch of pop music producers on board because they're desperate for a new "let it go"
go woke go broke
I hope Disney ignores the continual flops until they go bankrupt.
Yes, I know it would decades for it to happen but I still want it to happen.
maybe next time they won't make the cooler character the villain
>maybe next time they won't make the cooler character the villain
midwit take, the coolest characters are always the villains.
Maybe it's because I'm not in the demographic for this movie, but I didn't see any advertising for it.
Disney always has ups and downs. the 80's were terrible, then the 90's Renaissance happened. the 2000's returned to being terrible and then the 2010's were disney's best years. it's a cycle
>Disney always has ups and downs. the 80's were terrible, then the 90's Renaissance happened. the 2000's returned to being terrible and then the 2010's were disney's best years. it's a cycle
We're talking about almost everything Disney puts out losing 200 million dollars for like 2 solid years. This is completely unprecedented and totally unsustainable. Long term unless Disney starts putting up big box office numbers they will die off in a decade. And the "Disney Dark Ages" is totally overblown.
Yep, they've been on the financial rocks before. Iger's a Boomer house flipper of a CEO and can't buy his way out of this hole. Capeshit's cratering, and the parks' revenue isn't enough to cover them.
>and then the 2010's were disney's best years
??
who the frick else here doesn't give a shit?
look here pal, this board is for discussion of production companies profits/losses and using AI tools to put george costanza in funny situations. what's the problem
>200 million dollar budget
>allegedly 200 million dollar marketing budget as well
Yeah, this shit is gonna bomb harder than The Marvels and Indy 5. Who had that on their bingo card?
no movie has 200 mil marketing budget
even the biggest blockbuster cap out at 150 mil because there's diminishing returns
also we don't know marketing budgets unless explicitly stated which most studios don't do
The marketing is typically half the budget new gay which is why the rule of thumb of 2 and a half times a films budget is the rule
Always has been
They fricked up. They purchased way too much shit and completely lost focus what the company was about.
>this was supposed to celebrate 100 years of disneed
Sad that this is the best they can muster after 100 years, but they dug this hole themselves.
Except they didn't really advertise this that much at all.
I think they intended to with the whole "Disney cinematic universe" thing but when the executives actually saw the movie they canned any advertising that would put emphasis on it being the "100 Years of Disney" film.
This is what Disney shit out now
A shitty lyric video and this is actually the scene in the movie with the words on the screen and crappy animation and everything
Absolute garbage
>HAHAHA this thing only made MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AHAHAHA
>american education
Sorry. I can't relate to media unless the cast is the same race as me.
I think this is partly the result of the lack of fake scarcity we use to see with stuff like the Disney vault. If you are a parent, why take your kids to see the new disneyslop when you can put on Frozen again on Disney+? A couple decades ago you would at least not be able to have the full Disney catalogue at your finger so would have more motivation to see new movies. Of course this is made worse by th movie not being good
That vault wouldn't close or open properly because of the right ear, right?
It will get even worse when parents realize they can just cancel their Disney subscription and just let the kids watch coal black and de sebben dwarfs on rumble for free.
HOLY FLOPARONI
We're in a pandemic!
Trolls Band Together
>Budget: 95 million
>Box office: 145.8 million (10 days)
Wish
>Budget: 200 million
>Box office: 49 million (5 days)
more like 5 star days
how come some of these movies seem to come out of nowhere and others like mermaid and snow white seem to be in production for 5 years?
Haha, Disney is losing money again! Another win for the dudebros!
yes
I love seeing you seethe.
I look like that, walk like that and feel like that
Kek. What a confused troony you are. You think dude bros hang out on a Nepalese basket weaving forum's TV and movies board?
Enough of your nonsense, go dilate. YWNBAW but do it anyway.
Yes.
i wanna frick the goat
news flash, core audience fans always go see big blockbusters on the 2nd and 3rd weekend. Wish has stronger legs than Frozen 1 (and catchier music).
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What's so funny chud?
ACK!
So now we're at the point where we just post trannies out of nowhere?
it's all they have left
When you bring up trannies out of nowhere in a thread about some Disney princess movie, then yes, they live rent free in your head.
it’s all connected my friend
my little chuddy is upset ;_;
chuddy is wholesome 100 and will ensure total aryan victory 🙂
you replied to the wrong post THOUGH
chuddy is upset o no
I'm messing with you dude.
If you don't like that we make fun of troonys, you're probably a troony or a closet troony
It's not about the trannies, but the constant spam. Make fun of them all you want, but keep that shit to /misc/ or in threads where it's actually relevant.
I bet you don't say the same thing when someone brings chuds/incels outta nowhere.
Get owned libtard.
Why is it in every Disney thread, some moron thinks the company is going to fail because their movie studio pushed out a bad film when Disney's movie studios haven't been the major money maker for the company in decades?
One bad movie with a string of hits is not a big deal. Disney has had all flops this year with one movie barely making a profit.
This, and that the movies are new IPs that drive new theme park attractions and merch. If a movie sucks and nobody wants to see it, why would they then want to get the stuff based on it?
Disney still makes billions off selling merch based around their old princesses. New ones sucking doesn't impact the money the old ones make. New IPs are made to increase cashflow typically, not to make up for a lack of cashflow in general.
Yep, reputational damage is a major major issue for them. They need the "magic" to keep the brand going strong. Late Eisner era is an example of what happens when that slips. Reputation was in the gutter, films flopping, theme parks were losing money forcing mega cutbacks.
And in a stellar case of a lack of reading comprehension; Disney's movie studios haven't been their primary money maker in decades. They could make nothing but flops for next 100 years and it wouldn't be a negative impact to their cashflow.
That's cope. Their theme parks are based on their IPs, and if all of their new IPs suck, then their theme park is going to have to really rely on their older IPs to carry it, which it's not going to be able to.
It's literally been relying on their old IPs for decades you don't even know what you're talking about. The most popular attraction for DECADES has been Magic Kingdom which is primarily the old school IPs
Cope levels on this post were so extreme they measured 3.3 on the Richter Scale
nobody’s going to the parks anymore either
morons not reading threads
Disney went through the 60s to the 80s in worse shape than they are now and people like you want to claim ONE bad year is a death sentence?
Star Wars is dead as a cinematic brand, Marvel looks to be going the same way. Can't see Elio being popular (Inside Out 2 may be though). Disney Animation has nothing except for sequels announced.
Dreamworks and Sony are making more interesting animation and it's entirely possible for Skydance Animation to become a major competitor too.
Star Wars never mattered as a cinematic brand, even when Lucas owned it. it was the merch that mattered and the merch still generates 3 billion annually
>Star Wars never mattered as a cinematic brand, even when Lucas owned it
>ONE bad year
have they had a good year since 2019? Whatever’s happening is indicative of a longer trend and it won’t be reversed unless they change how their movie production process works
Old IPs slowly fade away, normally they’re replaced by new IPs but again, if the new IPs suck then you have to rely on that fading revenue stream from the old ones. Shareholders don’t like that because it doesn’t mean increased profits
also they bank on showing these IPs to kids that will grow into the whole nostalgia thing we have with boomers and shit right now. So they're sabotaging themselves decades from now
No, they weren't. The 60-80s dark age was mostly about the decline in their innovation and quality. Yet this period still has a lot of their classic animations and financial successes (The Aristocats and 101 Dalamations both grossing over 200m on less than 5m budgets, for example).
The Disney renaissance was when they came back in full force, with beloved animations that raised the bar of animation while being commercially and critically successful.
The 2020+ for Disney is even worse, as everything they put out is failing and none of them will be seen as anything other than shlock in the future.
Disney was potentially looking at bankruptcy and closing their animation studios for good before the renaissance. Disney World tickets were being discounted and given away, don't try tell me they were financially solvent at the time because they weren't
They were never on the verge of bankruptcy. That is overexaggerated. They were in rough shape, but they were not doing as badly as everyone claims they are. The issue is with their quality and innovation, which compared to a generation before was subpar.
They weren't facing a string of critical and commercial failures like they are now.
>innovation
Movies like the Black Caludron and Oliver and Company paved the way for CGI in modern films. Disney had plenty of innovation in the 80s. Quality? Many of their 80s productions were considered good films, they just failed in the box office. It also is no exaggeration saying that their situation was bad. Disney was looking for buyers before the Renaissance
>Disney was looking for buyers before the Renaissance
No, they weren't. There's rumors that they may sell to Apple within 5 years now, but there's no evidence that they were trying to sell during their dark age.
They didn't have that many outright bombs during their Dark Age. The Black Cauldron is the only example people can think of in that era. The issue was that a lot of their movies during this time were doing not so good critically, which during this era of filmmaking actually meant something.
>No they weren't
Yes they were, Even Jim Henson was considering buying Disney out in the 80s, along with Paramount, Reliance, Universal, ect. Hell in the 2000s when they were in another down point Comcast tried to buy them
Other people wanting to buy your company does not mean you want to sell your company. I am not seeing any evidence that Disney was offering up their company for sale.
The lower the stock price, the easier a hostile takeover is.
Looking for buyers doesn't necessarily mean they're going to sell right away, just knowing who's interested when it comes down to it.
they spent over 70 billion to acquire fox and are on the hook for another 20 billion for Hulu. they have no movie hits park attendance is down and their streaming service is bleeding money. it ain’t looking good.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/08/disney-dis-earnings-report-q4-2023.html
Do people on Cinemaphile bother to do research anymore these days?
>Do people on Cinemaphile bother to do research anymore these days?
Most of the profitability was due to job cuts, not income growth. They have had EVEN MORE massive losses in box office and even theme parks.
Merchandise is also down.
I mean why do you think their stock is 1/2 the value it was 2 years ago.
So have any evidence to backup that claim? I posted a source already. Keep in mind EVERYONE had layoffs, from trillion dollar microsoft to lowly Paramount
>So have any evidence to backup that claim?
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67364074
"The company reported profit of $264m in the quarter and nearly $2.4bn (£1.9bn) for the year. "
"Mr Iger said the entertainment giant was on track to slash expenses by $7.5bn"
So they cut expenses by $7.5b and had a profit of $264m (quarterly).
Would not be surprised at all if Disney lost money this quarter, given the box office failures and also lower spending on theme parks.
Thing is you claimed the profit was from cutting expenses but you've provided no explicit proof, just an article about Iger cutting costs, which every company is doing right now because of the recession.
I thought Biden fixed the economy
>stock price down in the midst of a recession
shocker
Disney is under-performing both S&P and Entertainment as a sector
>report 2 days before The Marvels comes out
Good timing.
they’re raising ticket prices and cutting stuff to make up for lower attendance. that’s not sustainable
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/where-everyone-disney-theme-parks-200500589.html
https://insidethemagic.net/2023/07/disney-world-making-money-shrinking-crowds-nk1/
I don't know what economics course you've taken but literally everyone is raising prices and reducing labor, it's called inflation and a recession. Claiming it's not sustainable is also a joke because that's literally how the economy works
>didn’t address the fact that less people are going
Because of the recession moron. All parks have reduced attendance right now including Cedar Point and Six Flags, with Six flags have the worst attendance drop. You people are looking for GOTCHAS and keep coming up flat.
less people going is less people going. covid is over so you don’t have that excuse. there’s no recession going on either, don’t know what planet you’re on. all the headlines are about how the economy is doing fine but people are unhappy anyway
Yeah ... that's what's important, the headlines saying everything is fine and stop complaining already
the point is that going by the textbook definition, we’re not in a recession, so you can’t use that as an excuse either. people don’t like how things are going (and they could very well be right), but as of right now unemployment is about as low as it’s ever been in the US
>but as of right now unemployment is about as low as it’s ever been in the US
If that's anything like Europe, it's deliveroo, sandwich artisans and fulfilment centres, along with claiming students (especially college/university) are equivalent to being employed.
Serfdom is employment but it's not a good economic situation.
oh yeah things are gonna go to shit soon, but it hasn’t happened yet
>There's no recession going on
Either underaged or bait at this point.
there literally isn’t. where are the lines of jobless people and shit. shit sucks right now but there’s no recession, which makes this look even worse for disney, since they can’t pull in people when the economy is doing fine
Please learn the difference between a DEPRESSION and a RECESSION
you’re missing the point
>which makes this look even worse for disney, since they can’t pull in people when the economy is doing fine
The economy isn't fine is the point though you fricking moron. Inflation is up, companies are laying people off, spending is down, ect. I get you morons hate woke Disney but facts aren't going to change, they're doing ok in spite of their current setbacks and some bad films aren't the end.
>companies are laying people off
unemployment is at 4% you fricking moron
how much of that employment is outsourced though you stupid fricking Black person?
>moving the goalposts
lmao
>doesn't want to acknowledge unemployment numbers being suppressed through outsourcing
you won't be lmao'ing when you have a FAT line of homeless Black folk squatting in your neighborhood, or your pension/401k shits itself, because they loaded it with bad swaps.
>falling back on something that can’t be definitively proven
lol
also why are you simping for yidsney if you’re going on about homeless Black folk
where am i simping for a israelited company you said the economy is not stinky poo pooing itself, and it absolutely is you dumb Black person. i am not the same person you were initially arguing with by the way dumb dumb.
just because biden sucks doesn’t automatically mean the economy is in a recession. it just seems like you’re simping for yidsney because their park attendance going down despite the economy doing decent makes them look worse than their numbers going down because of a recession, because it means that the problem really is just them, and you’re arguing in favor of the recession explanation
We’re “not” in a recession because the wienersucking baby molesting israelite homosexuals in dc changed the fricking definition right as we were about to enter one. Kys yourself, the economy is in the shitter and will be flushed at any moment, and the only people who say otherwise are trying to convince you to buy their bags before it all crashes
spending isn’t down either, at least for now
https://apnews.com/article/spending-consumers-inflation-economy-growth-federal-reserve-b1d34bc43a0da960a152911b7c230881
During the recession of 2008, there were plenty of lines of jobless people as the layoffs were much more widespread. So that's not a depression only indicator.
>where are the lines of jobless people and shit
in california unironically, and every other state that doesn't have real winters. what do you think skidrow is you stupid Black person?
skidrow always has been and always will be. it’s a constant. it’s irrelevant
>people on this board constantly claiming israelites cannot be trusted
>trust the israelites that making a movie cost like 600 Million actually dollars
you fricking amoebas. it does not take 600 mil to break even
Unless theaters don't take a cut at all, it's just objectively true that you need to make 2x your budget at the very least to account for them taking half, and that's without marketing added.
was that plot summary written by a 12 year old?
>the marvels is the biggest flop of all time
>disney actually beats its own record a couple of weeks later
What the FRICK is going on brothers?
Is it possible for a minority of shareholders to right the ship?
oy vey! double down!
Will non-Whites ever catch a break?
I just know Disney will take the wrong lessons from this
>what they should do
Hire established West End songwriter and directors like Andrew Lloyd Webber
>what they probably will do
Hire Taylor Swift
Taylor Swift prints money right now, nothing wrong with hiring her.
Taylor Swift isn't enough to carry a disaster. Didn't help Cats
Literally just making the protagonist a blond white girl would probably double the profits, even if the movie is otherwise shit.
Add a decent love interest, fun villain and catchier songs and you could have the next Frozen, again EVEN if the story is otherwise bad. It truly shouldn't be that hard, Disney has to knowingly sabotage their own products for ideological reasons.
They need to make songs that you can sing along to.
I don't get how directors and writers don't get this when they grew up with this kino: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42RQsvev3Js
all the lyrics now are some vague inspirational shit and the music doesn't even fit together). there's still talented musical theater people working, there's no excuse for disney to not hire them. I swear lin manuel miranda ruined disney music.
You just need beautiful White protagonists
Its literally as simple as that
The Rosa song was unnecessary and shitty.
$200 mil budget before advertising as well.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!
Between this and Marvels they lost over a 1/2 a billion.
REJECTED!
DEATH TO AL ANDALUS
Disney has a lot of long term problems, most of which are because it's an entertainment company.
Disney coasted off of the movies made decades ago for their theme parks; but with the failure of modern movies, this means Disney can't sell merchandise OR market these heroes/heroines in their theme parks or movie rentals or attract streaming customers.
By having their brand slowly (or quickly depending on who you ask) sink, it affects all other areas of Disney in the short-long term.
ESPN has been a cash cow but even that is getting squeezed with increased licensing fees.
Linear networks are on their way out.
Disney+ has been middling and has never made profit. Recent Marvel and SW shows didn't attract nearly the amount of subs they needed compared to their cost.
Iger's plan of just buying content was short-sighted and ultimately is shown to be failing spectacularly.
About 99% of their current problems could have been avoided if they hadn't bought FOX
>About 99% of their current problems could have been avoided if they hadn't bought FOX
Buying Hulu looks to be another huge purchase. It's $8-$9 billion NOW to Comcast, that's just the MINIMUM; what happens if the appraisal comes in at $100b?
wtf is going on? Everything Disney is flopping and not even that. It happened so fast. Like Q4 of this year and seems like no one is interested in blockbusters at all.
>disney's 100 year anniversary film is about not aisha getting not chased, and eventually molested by mohammed
what the actual frick. they could have completely raked in serious movie money if they just did a seriously tongue in cheek mickey, donald, and goofy movie intended for theatre. how do you frick this up so badly?
*not mohammed
I legitimately thought this was AI generated at first, and didn't realize they really tried making this fricking trash jesus christ walt disney is weaping from the beyond.
>mickey, donald, and goofy movie intended for theatre
If only. I always enjoy when those three are together. Instead they decided to create yet another "multiverse" lol
yeah imagine telling your childself that you would never get another goofy movie, or that star wars would get btfo by corpoBlack folk
Frick, that would have been pure soul
It just reveals how tone deaf and out of touch the people making decisions at Disney are at this point, and unfortunately most of the creative staff now are too.
They've totally lost sight of their own history and what made them an animation and entertainment powerhouse in the first place, but most people working there probably don't give a shit either way. They get the prestige of working for a big-name company.
Or a 100 year anniversary fantasia 3
You guys still talk about Disney like they are an actual corporation that plays by the same rules as any other entertainment company. Under the table, they are 100% a subsidized propaganda arm of the US federal government. They are fine making this flop and and they'll be fine making 100 more after this for decades to come until some sort of collapse/calamity.
>Disney exec said he was confident that this would be the first movie to break the 4 billion barrier because of all the hype surrounding Disney's 100th anniversary movie
now that I'm older, it amazes me what a lot of money can do. These rich homosexuals could've kept their money in a bank but by investing it, it creates an entire production and jobs for so many people then they just get it back or profit from it. Am I being brainwashed into thinking working is good guys? I mean it's just a realization now that I have a bit in the bank.
I don't care about Disney, but I fricking hate this trend of caring about box office.
pocket watching a fricking corporations is the most limp-dicked shit ever
My dick is pretty hard right now actually
funny thing is that Snow White slop isn't looking so hot as well
wow