> Harrelson told Playboy in October 2009, "I was getting into theology and studying the roots of the Bible, but then I started to discover the man-made nature of it. I started seeing things that made me ask, 'Is God really speaking through this instrument?' My eyes opened to the reality of the Bible being just a document to control people."[54][55] He describes himself as having "a strong spiritual life".[56]
if you've read the bible and you are still a christian you're mentally ill.
Harrelson follows a raw vegan diet.[48][49] Along with not eating meat or dairy, Harrelson does not eat sugar or flour.
Aryan chad
vegan is 100% not chad
>Harrelson has stated that his father was rarely around during his childhood
of course
Wasn't his dad hitman or was that a different actor?
He murdered a judge.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Harrelson
> Harrelson does not eat sugar or flour
I
Fricking
Kneel
What does he eat then?
avocados and lentils I'm guessing
properly designed vegan diet only lacks b12 which you can supplement.
it also lacks any fat soluble vitamin that your body can actually directly utilise
not true
An avocado a day is more than enough to make up for it.
good for him, but he looks like shit and married an asian
also he lived an entire life eating burgers, drinking beer, doing copious amounts of drugs, etc
Why do you say that ? What part makes you think that way ?
The fact it's written by man and not God.
Divinely inspired
Bad answer. You said the impetus was reading the Bible is the bad part. What part while reading makes you deny it? Written by man doesn’t explain your original reasoning. Now you introduce a different argument that doesn’t even make sense.
Brainlet, that`s why the vatican has researchers from all fields.
There`s a reason on why "israeli magic" isn`t approved by the curch
you never read it, don't you?
Wow 2000 years and no one has thought to study the Bible
Damn
and in 2000 years no one found even one verse that couldn't be written by the above average IQ sandBlack person from that era. Curious.
Vast majority of people couldn't even write
read my post once again because you clearly misunderstood it
"Above average IQ" doesn't matter when you work on a field
why should anyone believe it was written by god or inspired by god when it looks like written by primitive, although relatively smart, sandBlack folk?
You didn't even read the Bible
i did. There's not one verse.
No, you read a translation, it's not the word of God.
L O L. You're free to post an original verse that couldn't be written by sandBlack folk thousands of years ago.
I don't know and I don't really care because I'm an atheist myself, but your argument is moronic
>No, you read a translation, it's not the word of God.
sounds very atheist-y
it's not about how it sounds. Don't be dishonest. Why is god in the bible, an omnipotent superbeing, intelectually and morally on the level of primitive sand people?
If the bible is so primitive, how come superior intellectual and moral institutions converted to christianism?
shirley, because god is real
Exactly
there weren't any quran translations
literally because of pussy. Most of the time you will find that christianization of some land follows from the conversion of its king. Why did the king convert? Because his wife did.
Same goes for plenty of christian philosophers/apologists nowadays.
No thats just the official story, the real reason is that people who converted to christianism have a higher morale and at the end a bigger political impact, constantinus converted because the christians were the most resilient religious community throughout the different epidemics and wars throughout the empire and despite the persecutions under diocletian
Same goes for slav kings and franks, they didnt convert because their wives told them but because it was the only way for them to keep power, even today it is scientifically shown that religious people live longer than atheists
you're missing the point.
>religious people live longer
>romans and slavs converted to christianity
>christians were superresilient
>etc
you can name million things and i ask one question. Do they require for christianity to be real? No, they don't.
Even scientists who discovered atomic power and revolutionized geometry and physics (descartes, newton) believed in god, what makes you think you're smarter than them?
you have 999 999 things left now
Im not going to convince you of anything, if you dont want to believe in god dont, the facts are still here
>the facts are still here
where?
>people during a time when christianity was more popular and everpresent were christian
huh...
If religion was so stupid why werent they agnostic? You could have been at that time
Religion was seen as antagonistic to science only after the freemason takeover from power after industrial revolution
Are you incapable of separating a belief in God with the belief of Christian stories?
that's who He's speaking to in the bible. it serves no one for God to talk above the people He's talking to
What makes you think He was? Oh no no no, you're not one of those people who think that God personally wrote the Bible, are you?
SandBlack folk are so moronic they discovered atoms
why would it need to sound smart?
you don't even know what you were trying to say
It's possible to be Christian and not believe that any kind of book is the direct word of God, you know.
>yeah, book is made up but it's also real
lmao yeah his logic makes no sense
>i’m christian but the bible was made up
he is just a muslim in disguise
You can follow certain parts of a faith without following everything that's written in a book 100%. How is this a hard concept to grasp?
>You can follow certain parts of a faith
you mean larping as le based and trad christian on the internet to dab on liberals and joooz?
No. Those people are even more cringe than the nutjobs who think everything written in a book is 100% true and must be followed.
to me it sounds as if you said “i’m christian but i know the book is full of made up stuff” hence the “not a direct word of God” and that is different from saying “i don’t practise everything the book says” it’s not the same imo but sorry for not understanding clearly what you meant
>to me it sounds as if you said “i’m christian but i know the book is full of made up stuff”
Pretty much. I think there is a God, but I am also fully aware that the bible was written by a human, and for all we know, it's entirely possible that everything in it was made up by dudes tripping on acid.
but you do believe in Jesus as the son of God? which is in my opinion the entry ticket to be a christian but tell me if i am wrong
I have always personally felt like Jesus was probably just a normal human being that was kinda channeling God's words and wishes. I don't believe that there was actually a man with super powers walking around healing people and rising from beyond after his death. I think those are either just completely made up or vastly embellished.
>I'm a christian
>but I don't believe in the bible
>also I don't believe in the divinity of Jesus
Just say you're a muslim then homosexual
I believe in some parts of Christianity, and I generally like a good part of the teachings of the bible, but I don't see a 2000 year old book as gospel. I also believe there is a God who started things, but then evolution took over. What should I describe myself as?
You don't know anything about the Christian God or His teachings if you think the Bible was not the word of God and Jesus wasn't God. You're just a deist who think the stories in Bible have good moral lessons.
It doesn't matter though. Religion is about what you believe in, it's not about trying to fit in with a group. You don't have to describe yourself as anything. I think people who follow everything without even questioning don't have their own beliefs. I think you have to question everything and come to a conclusion on your own to truly be a believer. Otherwise you're just a brainwashed moron.
You're probably right. I think a lot of it also depends on where you are from. I would never compare myself to the Christian nutjobs that exist in America for example, but whenever I have explained how I feel to people here in my country, they have said things like "so you're just a non-practicing Christian" because people here don't take Christianity that serious anyway.
>What should I describe myself as?
A moron
You're not a Christian.
christianity existed before the bible morons
but they did t call themselves christian? they just followed Jesus, to say christianity existed before the bible is not incorrect but not entirely true either
>they just followed Jesus
before the bible?
i don’t know when the bible was written or delivered by the christian God but i would pressure that in christian faith it came after Jesus’s story in Jerusalem
Other people called them Christians. The name "Christian" doesn't come from the Bible, it's an exonym.
i’m not christian but that sounds stupid, if you don’t believe in what the bible says then you’re not christian
Well ok, I never said otherwise
You're just a thiest then. Nothing wrong with believing there is something greater beyond our understanding while calling out how moronic and hypocritical the biblical work is. But you wouldn't be CHRISTian if you don't believe the CHRIST side of it all.
>dismiss the bible as the inerrant word of God
>vaxxmaxx the graphene oxide despite Jesus as God telling His church to avoid an X that would keep them from buying and selling at all costs
>...
>The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly and painful sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image.
uhh redditsisters did we get too wienery?
Youve never read it
go murder neighbouring tribe, cut their foreskins and toss em into a pile because uhhhh it's for the glory of god, atheists won't understand this.
Midwit take
Reading the bible made me Christian, and having people point to specific things in it to dissuade me made me more extreme. Every complaint I have with the bible is that parts of it seem too merciful, too lenient, or insufficiently condemnatory towards wickedness and sin. Evangelism also seems a bit fruity to me because I don't WANT fricking infidels in my religion, they ruin everything. If you let one of these liberal homosexuals into heaven he'd start protesting and rioting demanding we open the borders to hell and allow demons to invade because their food is good or some stupid shit like that.
Everyone who complains about the bible, invariably, without fail, is some kind of fricking degenerate who is asshurt that his particular sin is condemned. I understand not believing, but this shit is just so cringe--yes Woody, you, a guy who lies for a living on camera, have profound insights into the bible that the rest of us just haven't considered. Why don't you just admit you frick women other than your wife, Woods.
>a strong spiritual life
So an atheist, got it.
Fricking gays.
>picture
Neoplatonism be like
sex with nerd emoji
you have no idea what christianity is and took the luther bait that anybody with basic literacy can pick up the bible and understand its meaning via magic. so now you are a fricking moron who thinks your opinion matters over the magisterium or even just prot equivalent.
many such cases!
Oh great, the Catholics are here. When are you homosexuals going to bring back the Latin Mass?
many people don't know this but the reason so many priests rape little kids is because once we have 1,000,000,000 raped kids, god will send down a ray of divinity to the vatican and pope francis will bring back the TLM.
The bible has nothing to do with Christianity.
The old testament is literally just Judaism.
The new testament is about Jesus and was written after he died.
Jesus was all about "love thy neighbor" and that's it. Christianity is simply being a good person, nothing else.
>The bible has nothing to do with Christianity.
>The old testament is literally just Judaism.
>Christianity is simply being a good person, nothing else.
The Bible is literally 30% prophecy telling of Christ, even naming him in Isaiah and telling of his crucifixion (Isaiah 53). Jesus did say the law is fulfilled in 2 things; love God with all of your heart, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. He also said he was God and was killed for it (blasphemy is the charge which got him to the cross). CS Lewis wrote a book called Lord Lunatic or Liar. You have to pick one, it isn't just about being a good person.
/thread
Only true god is the Sun who blessed us with its warmth.
the sun is gay as frick it burns like a motherfricker all summer then can't heat worth shit all winter. I hate the sun.
>if you've read the bible and you are still a christian you're mentally ill.
>To be honest, reading the New Testament moved me away from Christianity.
>tip
this. i've read the bible front to back three times. 99% of "christians" in america are living lives in complete opposition to the christianity of the bible.
Yes
Woody confirmed for basic rational thinking
To be honest, reading the New Testament moved me away from Christianity.
Apparently this is the literal word of God and his followers. Yet I felt nothing as I read it. Absolutely nothing.
Then I decided to read the Holy Qu’ran... and Mashallah, I felt as though Allah himself gave me a warm embrace.
I converted to Islam very soon after.
>I felt as though Allah himself gave me a warm embrace
*from behind
Bait.
Bait.
Catholics
Bait
Mass reply homosexual.
Bait
That you can believe in God and the Universe but that the church over time made bullshit up and started holy wars in the name of profit
You felt as if God himself was embracing you while you read about a warlord pedophile?
Your false prophet is a pedophile
the prophet was truly the holiest of all men to refrain for three whole years from hitting that sweet dicky
And? Cinemaphile is a pro dicky board
no it isn't you fricking moron no matter how many times you repeat you degenerate dogma
I have absolutely no reason to think this story is anything but 100% genuine
Inshallah Brother.
Soon we will wash away the decadent Christians.
The future is Islam.
You've never read the Bible
Dangerously based. The enlightened religion and only way to save the West.
Good pasta, haven't seen it in years
avg bri'ish man in 2022
10/10 bait post.
Into the copypasta files it goes
I'm the exact same way. The entire Bible is so derivative and so obviously composed for political purposes that I absolutely can't take it seriously as something with a divine origin
It was starvation and typhus because the allies bombed the German supply lines. 300k tops.
Not six million
Not a deliberate holocaust
The exact same thing would have happened in American WW2 Japanese internment camps under the same circumstances.
>It was starvation and typhus because the allies bombed the German supply lines
So now you want give israelites an even greater reason to hate the goyim?
Most of the Old Testament stories were pretty much ripped off from older tales of mythologies from earlier civilizations
Woah bro
dude... cultures in close proximity influence each other?? so deep...
>Woody from Cheers is the expert on Theology...
Also, not true. There is heavy Ugaritic influence in Genesis and even some in Psalms. But, if you actually study the context, you will know they were writing to their audience who knew those tales and previously followed their gods. You will see they wrote it to mock the other gods. Some Psalms are "dis tracks" if you actually know what you are reading, and they are hilarious. If you are not trolling and just someone who read an opinion of someone that made sense on the surface but was a deliberate attempt to subvert God's Word, you should study Near East 2nd Temple literature for context of the "Old Testament." If you want some good reading, try Dead Sea Scrolls, especially 1st Enoch.
Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father, except by Me." It's never too late.
>who knew those tales and previously followed their gods. You will see they wrote it to mock the other gods.
your lack of self awareness is truly stunning
that's antisemitic
Is it an American thing to take the bible literally? Is this the reason so many edgy athiest exists in modern times? Because they thought the bible was meant to be taken literally and felt stupid when they got old enough to see it's not?
Most American Christians are creationists, so are the Christ larpers on Cinemaphile
we’re actually talking about you though, the fedora trannies
even non- literally the bible is pretty shit and uninspired
It is meant to be taken literally, and brown third worlders do, which is what Americans are
americans don't understand concepts like art, culture, history and philosophy. They're driven by material desires, they don't even realize that religion is a spiritual thing.
Even Christian who don't believe in Biblical literalism are fricking stupid
There are quite clearly numerous literal lessons to be taken that are explicit and not even the remotely slightest way cryptic. Not seeing it based on each gospel and teaching is probably a waste of time.
early christians followed the teachings of christ because of the promise of eternal life, backed up by christ's own bodily resurrection. if all that supernatural stuff isn't literally true and it's just an abstract moral lesson then christianity is a scam and its followers were duped. st paul says as much in one of the epistles.
what does that have to do with his post?
that the bible is, in fact, "meant to be taken literally" and is worthless if not literally true. if one was "supposed to stop taking it literally" once one grew older, there would be no older christians.
stop thinking in extremes moron
christianity is the belief that following christ will earn you eternal life. if christ is not the literal son of the literal creator god and does not perform literal miracles that show him to be the master of life and death then christianity is false. this is not any kind of "extreme," it's the absolute minimum required to treat christianity seriously as a faith.
you can literally believe those things while viewing other parts of the bible as allegory
You don't get to pick and choose moron. Not for something like this. It's either all or nothing.
>i have no clue about christianity, but here's my opinion AS AN AMERICAN
Catholic Church teaches that the Bible literallt happened
No its just part of the midwit bellcurve
>low iq: the bible is literal
>midwit: umm ackshually its all metaphor
>genius: the bible is literal
Aquinas wrote 185,000 words arguing that the Book of Job literally happened
Yes fricking duh. If it's not literally true there's to reason to worship a cuck like jesus. The only reason people do is to avoid hell.
How can a God claim to be benevolent, loving, and merciful if he tortures you for eternity if you don't believe in him?
However he wants if there's nothing you can do about it.
yes, they don't even know of any patristic literature, for them it's bible and the end. very weird form of christianity
So he is just a dumbass? I was here thinking Man from Toronto was young in cheek.
So in reality mcconaughhey is the christian one and harrelson the fedora atheist. Interesting.
Mathew Mc hangs out with pedo Joe. He's no christian.
Humans need a document to control people or else they start shopping their wieners off and killing babies
Here's a Truth for you: every human that genuinely needed religious guidance to prevent them doing evil burns in hell with the rest of them.
>Everyone is born evil, so evil that they can never redeem themselves via any means (like religion) and become a decent person in spite of their flaws
Why do atheists go out of their way to make themselves more unsympathetic compared to bible thumpers?
I'm not an atheist. But even if I didn't believe in GOD, I wouldn't go around acting like a homicidal lunatic. Just because it's the right thing. You've set the bar for human behavior absurdly low. Think about it: if you were GOD, why would you want a bunch of buttholes who always wanted to do evil to live (eternally) in your House? It doesn't add up.
Orthodoxy sees this life as a spiritual combat training, so you wouldn't want to train against hippies
if god is everywhere and everything and he made everything hes the book.
Checkmate atheists
You only exist at the behest of God
>Harrelson told Playboy
stopped reading there
That's what I don't get about overtly religious people, you have every reason to believe in a supreme being, but literally every single aspect down to the tiniest detail surrounding every organized religion has been written by men, which makes it inherently fallible
So he's an idiot? What a surprise.
Sounds very juden
Ironic, because Christianity is literally worshiping one israelite.
I mean, he's right. I'm not an atheist but the Bible cover to cover is full of inconsistencies, contradictions, arbitrary actions and law, and today's believers only follow 30% of it anyway so why bother pretending like you think it's wholly sacred? Lol
If I’m not supposed to take the story of creation and Adam&Eve seriously then where the frick did original sin come from?
Why does there have to be "original sin?" Why can't people just do bad things sometimes throughout history
From your mom
when's rampart coming out bruh
It's awful.
Most christcucks cherry pick what they want to believe from the Bible anyway
Based AF. Imagine thinking Star Wars was real 2000 years from now.
has it ever occurred to you morons that if you were born in India you’d be Hindu? Or if you were born in Saudi Arabia you’d be Muslim?
once I realized that, religion itself was over for me. It’s so obviously a means of control. I’m not saying it’s dumb to believe in a god, but believing in a god as prescribed by the church (which has added many arbitrary rules that aren’t spelled out in the Bible) is a hilarious notion
There are Christians in India
What a dumb point. Yeah, there are a few, but Christianity (and Islam) aren’t popular because they make the most sense but because of religious conquests and missionaries. People were forced to believe under the threat of torture or death
sounds very jesus-like
>Yeah, there are a few
28 million. Bit more than a few
2% of the population. 1% of the US population is Hindu. They’re both minuscule
Wow you’re so smart, denying human history that is written in the books of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam
this kind of questions are extremely fricking moronic. Stop being a smug homosexual and read more books.
stop thinking in extremes moron
>read more books
I pinky promise the truth is really complex it's just too complex for me to type in a post teehee but it's all in these really thick books I've definitely myself read but can't summarise
>but it's all in these really thick books
We're talking about the bible, not the talmud. If the books in the bible are too long to read, then you're lazy and most likely illiterate.
and if you’re born in china you don’t believe in democracy, if you are born in isreal you don’t believe goys are human. this is the same for any belief. it’s hilarious when you say this for religion but when it comes to any sort of political, ideological or ethical belief suddenly it’s factual and not the same shit
But most people would agree with that point about democracy, bigotry and these other sorts ideologies.
The difference is religion ascribes a metaphysical, absolute truth to it's doctrines, that when exposed as fraudulent weakens the entire basis of it's structure.
I can believe democracy is the best way to govern a state without thinking that there is a metaphysical truth to that idea.
>has it ever occurred to you morons that if you were born in India you’d be Hindu? Or if you were born in Saudi Arabia you’d be Muslim?
>I am a moron who settles for my lot in life and will never do anything to change, even exploring faiths different from the population I'm born into
You're the kind of moron who works as a barista demanding you're coworkers unionize because it'll suddenly give your shitty job "dignity" and higher wages instead of learning a skill and finding a better line of work.
lick boots, bootlicker
Mop floors, Black person.
>arbitrary rules that aren’t spelled out in the Bible
rules in the bible were also arbitrary. All religions collapse pretty quickly after you ask
>sauce?
seriously, try this.
>God is like this. God is like that. He wants you to do this and you shouldn't do that.
>sauce?
and boom, shit crumbles.
>if I was born in india
thank CHRIST that never happened
There are Christians in all of those countries. People that were born there. I think people forget Jesus was born in Israel, not America. And don't reddit me and say Palestine.
you're the one who's moronic. you don't see that the faith in god is universally built into human being and it's only manifested differently in different cultures.
His Christianity criticism aside, what does he mean by "strong spiritual life"?
This is a phrase I usually associate to boho fashion/ yoga pants wearing slags.
He's right and most smart people eventually come to this conclusion as they get older. They also come to the conclusion that it's a "necessary evil". There's billions of people in the world and they're all looking to get theirs and make themselves happy. If this means fricking over others or killing them, then so be it. The vast majority of the population is fricking stupid, reactionary and driven by emotions. If there wasn't some form of spiritual law that can get ingrained into them as children, that promises rewards/punishments after life for following rules that benefits a healthy society, well, civilization wouldn't last that long. The smart and decent people will always be vastly outnumbered. You're starting to see the ridiculousness in american society now that it has become much less godly compared to the mid-1900's
>In Plutarch’s biography of Romulus, the founder of Rome, we are told he was the son of god, born of a virgin; an attempt is made to kill him as a baby, and he is saved, and raised by a poor family, becoming a lowly shepherd; then as a man he becomes beloved by the people, hailed as king, and killed by the conniving elite; then he rises from the dead, appears to a friend to tell the good news to his people, and ascends to heaven to rule from on high.
Yikes. Looks like we messed up, Christsisters.
I thought Romulus was raised by a she wolf
>There a she-wolf and a woodpecker—both sacred to Mars—suckled and fed them until they were found by the herdsman Faustulus.
Yikes. Looks like we messed up, atheisisters.
>we are told he was the son of god,
This is already wrong. There is no "god" in Roman mythology, moron. There are gods.
There is no ''God'', you mean.
Plutarch lived after Christ
>Plutarch (/ˈpluːtɑːrk/; Greek: Πλούταρχος, Ploútarchos; Koine Greek: [ˈplutarkʰos]; c.AD 46 – after AD 119)
Anon, the legend of Romulus comes from 4th century B.C. Plutarch wasn't the one who invented it, he merely wrote it down.
Do we have any earlier sources for this legend, with those resemblances to the story of Christ?
>christians do this
FAKE! written after the fact! they faked the history!
>literally anyone else does this
woah... so true
this is what mental illness looks like. you literally are incapable of giving christians credit for anything. it’s the same as trannies with white people
never trust ~~*history*~~ books and biographies
I agree with his point absolutely and feel the same way
Church as an institution is just ripe for evil, all this power and so many vulnerable people to exploit using it for all this money
It's insane to think a movement such as this wouldn't have been hijacked by psychopaths, just like politics or banking
Buddhism is closest to that hitting the nail on the head feeling that ive ever got with a religion, but there is plenty in the other major religions that point to some underlying deep truth. Problem is the abrahamic ones are way too obsessed with time, place and person (i.e. this specific guy is holy, listen to him) and with the books and words themselves - buddhism has a great benefit in that schools of buddhism recognise that things like this can themselves get in the way of ultimate truth. I think Christianity should evolve to embrace its mystic elements much more than it currently does, Islam too (but Islam is so political its even harder to do for them than for Christians)
Before missionaries and whatnot, how was a random tribe of people on an island supposed to learn about Jesus and Christianity? Seems pretty unfair for them to go to hell because they never had the opportunity to be Christians in the first place. Why did God choose to reveal himself in a small middle eastern region in the first place?
Because G-d is a dumb israelite
God was a tribal diety until Jesus' sect of Judasim spread to the goyim, he was never the God of everyone
Previous post was a test.
I like Woody Harrelson, especially in Kingpin.
The New Testament was designed to kee the filthy goyim away
haha
>god doesn’t exist it’s just all a big coincidence bro
he isn't saying god doesn't exist, he's saying christcuckoldry is fake
God didnt write the Bible so that makes sense
If a religion is powerful enough to defeat the personification of America then it must be real
Black folk are a weak slave race lol
literally just enslave them, they can't do shit
Reported to the feds you sick frick. Enjoy getting vanned
Just so you know bro, jannies will perma for jokes like that.
When will /misc/ move away from the "pretend to be a christcuck on Cinemaphile" meme
It takes a while to realize you've been jebaited by your enemy's enemy.
>spiritual
"Spiritual" homosexuals need to be gassed. At least with euphoric atheists you know where they stand, and agnostics at least admit "they don't know" enough about god to form an opinion on religion. Spiritual Black folk are just wishy washy degenerate hollow fence sitters.
He's right and like the fpbp said you are literally fricking unhinged if you take this shit seriously after reading the Bible + textual criticism. This is what literally stopped me from converting to Catholicism lol, I had some hunch that God was real and the Mother Church was the real church but then I read the Bible and HOLY JEJ this shit is ridiculous and fake and evil.
"The path to atheism is paved with well-read Bibles."
- some epic quote I read somewhere but am too drunk to care about googling
>look at me I heckin love Jesus
the bible isn't god's word, christcuck
Notice how the people who say shit like this never point out what it is that makes them think their way? They know their arguments for being atheist and disliking the Bible are pathetic and influence by contemporary lib morality. They know people will make fun of them for being morons. So they never justify themselves.
No one knows why they think anything. If someone says they do it's post-hoc cope.
You're asking for specifics but the problem is nobody cares and that shit's gay and autistic, do you really want a thread of rigorous theology?
Okay I'll give you an example (out of a million): Queen Esther is now known to not be a real person. But most Christians who even know who she is think she was real, and pastors are reluctant to dispel this illusion. The mainstream thought in seminaries is that Esther is bullshit and the book of Esther is metaphorical. The reason I mention all this is because I was reading about seminaries and one of the things that typically absolutely destroys students in those classes is the fact that Esther is a "metaphor" at best, most christians are esther literalists so if you tell them this they will shit their pants.
It is this and a million other things that makes me think there is no church or body that represents god on earth, it's all a meme. Most Catholics for example do not even believe in transubstantiation, a core tenet of their own faith, and prots are pro-gay marriage. Now do you see why people don't talk about this shit? It's boring.
Holy frick this thread is r/atheism. All atheists should kill themselves immediately to end the suffering that is life. There is no risk of eternal damnation right? Kek all atheists are privately terrified of God cope and seethe you reddit gays.
>*mugs you in your home*
>God is good, homie. Naw mean, g?
like it says in the book, we are both blessed and cursed
WHAT FRICKIN BOOK
Ideas like this are going to age like shit in the next few decades when literally only Africans and poor slants are christcucks as is projected. Will you still seethe at the redditors when your only brothers are syncretic subsaharan Black folk and seamonkeys?
Let's find out.
Why would I kill myself when I enjoy being alive?
Im not seeing many atheist here, seems to be lots of anons believing in a god qhile not falling for the utter cuckoldery of christian teachings.
>Im not seeing many atheist here
No instead you have
>this thing in the bible is just metaphorical, not to be taken literally
>SEE THING IN BIBLE DIDN'T HAPPEN THEREFOR RELIGION IS.... LE BAD!
Yea but surely you can understand how funny it is when the interactions go like this
>I BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS TRUTH
>what about this thing?
>I BELIEVE MOST OF THE BIBLE IS TRUTH
And you know what's funnier?
>RELIGION BAD
>but look at how it influenced western civilization
>RELIGION STILL BAD
>zoomers actually becoming even edgier euphoric atheists than millennials
The devil literally and unironically appeared to me in my bedroom when I was about 21 and said he'd give me anything I wanted in the world if I worshipped him and helped him lead souls to hell. Pure Faustian pact shit. Was surprising because I wasn't even sure the devil existed at this point, though I'd been experiencing some spooky shit in the weeks leading up to that. I knew I'd burn in hell if I did it so I asked him what could possibly make it worth it, and he said getting vengeance against God / spiting him for all eternity, because I'd gone through hard time before and had a lot of anger towards God I didn't know about. Anyway I considered it but then Jesus appeared to me also like in pic related, the Gospel scene where the Roman soldiers dressed him up and mocked him. He didn't even say anything he just looked at me and I knew I couldn't go through with it. So I asked him to help me and the devil left immediately. 100% true story. I'm guessing Woody was tempted by the devil (not necessarily by appearing, usually he's more subtle) along the lines of faith vs. money, fame, women.
>The devil literally and unironically appeared to me in my bedroom when I was about 21
stopped reading there lol didn't happen you are either delusional or a narcissistic liar dilate
>rape and kill a child in minecraft
>pray to god for forgiveness
>get into heaven 🙂
wow ezpz
For anons who strongly believe in a specific religious doctrine/text: Why do you believe in it? What makes you think that your text is the “true” one compared to all other religious texts? Completely serious question. Not trying to be a smartass or looking to discredit you, I’m just genuinely curious about your perspective.
The only true one is the one I've read
The atheists who had all the answers couldnt answer me when people started cutting their penises off while the bible did.
You said that the world would get better
It didnt
You said that people would be more free
They arent
You said that you were more moral than my God.
You definitely arent.
How many of you guys complain about pedo priests and then cry about dicky on Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile? How many of you complain about trannies now despite nodding along to gay marraige back then?
How many of you said that science will advance our entire race when you now doubt the vax?
Atheists dont know. Theyre just scared that the answer to religion is a "no" so they prepare themselves for the worst.
BUT we do.
You didn’t even remotely answer his question.
I'm an atheist now but about my previous belief, it's pretty simple. Combination of upbringing, ignorance, and a hope for something greater than the hellish habitat we actually inhabit. One wishes there is a God because if there isn't, then the daily atrocities that happen mean nothing. Also in some ways it is quite narcissistic, "Oh you mean I'm actually very important and not an evolved ape and the creator of the universe loves me eternally while making me in his image and cares about my wellbeing? I have this cool thing called a soul that lasts even after I die? Tell me more." pic related is a peak example.
I'm an Amerigolem and as many founding fathers and writers of earlier times observed, religions makes people better citizens. Which is fricking depressing because it is all a lie. But perhaps we are better off living in a world of clueless theists like I used to be.
kek wait I didn't even answer the question t. druk
why did I think catholicism is the best religion? because all the other ones are even more fricking stupid and silly. upon study, christianity seems absurd but other religions are x10 crazier with the miracles and magic bullshit. I thought that because Catholicism was the white people religion of temperance and reason and not stupid mud people believing magic is real, it must be closer to the truth.
I believe Jesus at his words. They were witnessed by people that wrote them and were willing to die for it. Not like a fanatic who would die for a belief based on doctrine, but die for what they witnessed. These men saw Christ perform miracles and met with him after his resurrection. If you can disprove the resurrection, I am all for it. The Bible is the story of God's redemption of man, through his son, who paid the penalty for our sin that we can't pay on our own and God raised him from the dead. He is coming back.
Of all religious texts, Jesus is the only one that claimed to be God and had multiple people (says over 500 at the time the letter was written, that would be alive to testify to it) witness his death and resurrection. I know it because he changed me when I surrendered my sin to him and asked for forgiveness. No one has to go to hell, where people pay for their own sin. Eternal life and forgiveness is free. If you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is lord and God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
>bro they totally died heroically for the cause
>I promise bro, they deffo saw miracles and shit
>because it says so bro, the book isnt lying, why would it lie?
>because I BELIEVE it's true and have FAITH(TM) is why it's true
>no way man, all other religions are lying, the bible is for suuuure real
>but then I started to discover the man-made nature of it.
Yeah but it is right about everything.
>Try reading the Bible
>Half of it is entire genealogies that go on for pages
Give me the best parts of it.
The Japanese are functionally atheist and they're the only prosperous country in the world which is not in the process of destroying itself with mass immigration.
ばすど
like half of jap males are virgins and their population will die the frick out soon, they have a serious problem with cultural pedophilia, and they are short as frick with no muscle mass and fricked up teeth. they work 80 hours a week. they are also completely cucked by the united states and can't even have an official army after yanks forced them to put this in their constitution.
bold of you to claim these people as an example of a trad and based nation.
Their population won't die out as long as they keep immigrants out. It will decline some but that's a self correcting problem just like growth
okay but what about all the other shit
I don't really care about them.
>AHHHH WHY DID I FOLLOW CHRISTIANITY AND NOT BUDDHISM AHHH IM SORRY JESUS SAVE ME AHHHHHH
>The Bible is true, the Koran and the Torah and all religious texts are all fake
>Why?
>Um..well....it just is ok! Fricking fedora redditor, stop asking logical questions!
Are you a moron? The Torah is literally in the bible.
The Quran is also predicated on the validity of the texts upon which it was built. You couldn't actually think of any religious texts that weren't just from the same continuity.
>Why don't you shit on the Torah, Talmud, and Koran in equal measures like the Bible? Isn't ALL religion fake?
>Uh... well... FRICKING IGNORANT CHRISTKEK BIGOT
Who are you quoting?
>if you think christianity is moronic then you must be a liberal with double standards
>celebrity has a revelation everyone else has when they're 13
I always liked Coach more.
I think this religion our ancestors spent buckets of blood defending and keeping our countries safe from Muslims from isn’t very cool.
this but unironically. al andalus would probably be better than modern spain and mexicans would have never existed
How do you explain dinosaur bones? Put there by satan to turn people away from god?
Anyone who takes a serious, non biased look at the best NDE experiences, realizes that theres more after death than just death. Denial is only possible if you've already made up your mind that there's nothing after life, and will use the most ridiculous excuses to explain away some of the events.
With that said, it seems that "hell" is just you, alone, in a void, with your own thoughts, until you ask for help, at which point, you get help.
Heaven is much less clear, but before entering, one of the most common experiences is a life review, where the focus is exclusively on how you treated other people, and if other people did wrong unto you, you are made to see what made them that way, to better understand and forgive them. You see the hurt you caused other people directly, so you actually truly know why it was wrong. Specifically, when you treat people with INTENTIONAL malice. Then you pretty much judge yourself, ask for forgiveness, are forgiven, and move on. Literally none of your personal accomplishments, activities, jobs, hobbies, etc. etc. mean anything. Everything seems to be completely focused on how you are treated, and treat others. Which I find very interesting.
>Anyone who takes a serious, non biased look at the best NDE experiences
post one that proves life after death
There is no proof like you want, currently. If you die, float into another room, hear a conversation or see certain things you would not otherwise see, come back to life, and recall the experience, with the people in the other room confirming that they were indeed having that conversation, and that those items were indeed there, that is not verifiable proof.
Even if you're in a medical setting like a hospital undergoing brain surgery where they measure your brainwaves, and you claim to have a NDE and saw everything that was going on in the surgery, hearing the conversations, went over to the next room, heard convo's and saw things there, and recalled it all upon waking, and the medical staff confirmed everything you said, despite there being no conscious activity in your brain...that's still not the proof you're looking for. The skeptical explanation is that the person either was hallucinating, and got lucky, or that people were "in on it", and were lying. Occasionally you get far out skeptical explanations, like in one case where during surgery a woman's ears were completely covered, so she couldn't hear anything, and yet, had a NDE and says she heard entire conversations between the staff. An explanation was that the sound waves created by speaking reverberated her bones, and her brain translated those vibrations into recognizable speech. That's a more plausible explanation that life after death to many skeptics.
They ARE working on trying to get verifiable, objective evidence. You'll have to look up the AWARE & AWARE2 studies for more information on that.
>There is no proof like you want, currently
thanks. I can stop reading now.
That's fine, as long as you're consistent in thinking that any experience anyone has ever had, yours included, that's verifiable with other people as having confirmed that experience is, by default, false, as there is no proof.
i have no idea what you're talking about right now
What part of what I said is confusing to you? Read it again slowly
i don't understand why are you talking about this out of nowhere
If there's something after death and consciousness isn't generated by the brain, then how do you explain mentally ill people or people who get brain injuries and then their personality is never the same?
From a Christian perspective, what would happen to people who simply don't have to cognitive ability to even understand repentance or the notion of Jesus as a savior?
>then how do you explain mentally ill people or people who get brain injuries and then their personality is never the same?
>Cant differentiate between body and soul
>From a Christian perspective, what would happen to people who simply don't have to cognitive ability to even understand repentance or the notion of Jesus as a savior?
I swear humanity is doomed to repeat the same questions over and over for millennia.
ngmi
You didn't answer my question
Personality is ego, experience, and genetics. It seems to makes the most sense to me that the soul is something much more fundamental than surface level personality. But it helps to think of your brain as a receiver of consciousness rather than a producer. Similar to a radio, if the parts malfunction in some way, the signal gets through, but there are alterations to the output. If the radio dies, the signal doesn't die.
Im more curious as to why how you treat others, seems to be the most important factor. Specifically, understanding at a fundamental level why you shouldn't be malicious, or why you should understand why people are the way they are. If you're in the afterlife...why is that so important? We got sent to earth for dozens of years and the only thing that mattered was how you treat others? Why? What's so important about that where it requires living here like this?
the antisemetism is appalling. What does the ADL have to say about this?
>barely literate person reads text written more than 5 thousand years ago
>gets filtered
>blames the text
Many such cases. This is why the Church didnt allow morons to read
You need to have a very high iq to understand the pile of foreskins from slain enemies
um sweetie according to martin luther as long as you can read at all and pronounce the words in the bible, whatever meaning you take away from it is true
>I just read Platos Symposium, sorry but this man-made text teaches no truth. I shall praise Eros MY way. Im like really philosophical.
Woody Harrelson probably
>claim book is written by god
>people think that's bullshit
>wtf harry potter isn't written by god and you still read it ha checkmate
Umm maybe you shouldn't have told lies in the first place.
No serious person claims the Bible is written by God. This is nonsense. Low iq
Never been to America?
I said serious.
>I had to kill myself (but not really because I rose from the dead 3 days later and went to paradise) to save you from a punishment that I would give you because of rules that I made up
but yeah, it's people who believe in evolution who are the real morons right, christbros??
Religious debates are the ultimate brain filter. God or divinity in whichever human interpretation intends for us to be whole and united, not fighting or bickering on whose dogma is righteous.
*blocks your path so fricking hard you have to spend literal centuries writing millions of words worth of cope and in the end just admit he was right and theodicy is a 'divine mystery' lmao*
nothin personnel
>le midwit weedman
yawn
>atheist plays a christian
>christian plays an atheist
bravo, pizza
>CHRISTIANITY BAD BECAUSE AMERICANS DUMB
Why do atheists always blame religion being "wrong" when its misinterpretations are the result of man being the reason?
because if god was real he would stop this shit
imagine being an all powerful god and wanting the entire planet you created to worship you but instead everybody calls you a homosexual and says you're not real and twerks in your churches. everyone will be an atheist in 50 years. if this is his plan then god sounds fake to me.
>because if god was real he would stop this shit
How do you know that?
>imagine being an all powerful god and wanting the entire planet you created to worship you but instead everybody calls you a homosexual and says you're not real and twerks in your churches. everyone will be an atheist in 50 years
What do you think Hell is for dumbass?
>if this is his plan then god sounds fake to me
Then that's your belief, doesn't make it objective or give you a reason to whine people who find solace in having faith.
>How do you know that?
he spends the OT seething and malding and commanding israelites to murder people
>What do you think Hell is for dumbass?
a myth to make normies obedient
>Then that's your belief, doesn't make it objective or give you a reason to whine people who find solace in having faith.
sure whatever but if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck etc. and the duck in this case is called COPE
>he spends the OT seething and malding and commanding israelites to murder people
Yeah, and that the end of the day man will never understand how God works, up to and including why he stopped talking to us directly.
>LE TENANT OF RELIGION AND THING THAT PREVENTS YOU FROM DOING BAD THING IS...LE MYTH!!!!!!
At this point why do you care if God is real or not? To deny that we can be punished after death because we lived bad, detrimental lives shows you don't care about any of this at all. Might I suggest you leave the devout alone and touch some grass?
>COPE
Ah, he's just a low effort shitposting zoomer
>Think about it: if you were GOD, why would you want a bunch of buttholes who always wanted to do evil to live (eternally) in your House?
At least read the book of Genesis, dumbfrick. But I'll summarize: Eve was a moronic prostitute, gets Adam to eat Apple from God's tree, God mad, mankind is punished (i.e. man is now imperfect compared to the almighty)
we're not sheep, there's a reason christians teach about god giving man free will
>that's not real christianity
maybe jesus was a commie
Who are you replying to?
you're mom
Atheists would have more a leg to stand on if they just admitted religion is too much of an inconvenience to them instead of talking down to everyone that they know meaning to life and the universe more than the devout do.
tl;dr
a pale imitation of the #diamonddogs