Has a self insert character ever worked well?

Has a self insert character ever worked well?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unless if it was used as self depreciation or "Muh Meta", no it never has

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What about ones that are used for like cameos? Like their is a scene full of characters in a room and one of them looks like the creator? Kinda like an Easter egg

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The key here anon is "Purpose". If the intent is just a cameo, no one would have an issue. Heck I would do it myself if I could. If the intent is to fulfill some fantasy for the author, then people would have a problem with it

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it can work pretty well if the author focus on entertaining the audience rather than lecturing them about whatever beliefs he/she wants to spread like a virus

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why did the self insert character from Rocko become trans

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Quick someone post The Critic

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only males.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ronnie from Whomp

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >last panel
      >that's a lot of (You)'s are you having a party

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm the cashier in life

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've had this exact experience. I can't fucking stand how nosy the self-checkout people have gotten. The store managers think it's "good customer service" but I just want them to fuck off, it ruins my day every single time. I didn't go out of my way to the self-checkout to interact with people.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fun fact as someone who works self checkout if they are interacting with you a lot they suspect you of stealing stuff

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They interact with everyone a lot, sometimes there's more than one person at a single self-checkout location greeting people, offering to bag stuff, attempting small talk, the kind of shit that executives deem "good customer service" or "creating a welcoming atmosphere." You see, everyone goes to the self-checkout now so they need to give their checkout employees something to do and the bright idea was to shove the people everyone was trying to avoid into their face more. I'm sure it's also a theft deterrent, but I'm not being singled out, it's just how they operate self-checkouts around here now and it's insufferable. I also wish that when it asked "Were you greeted when you entered today?" I could answer, "Yes, and I hated it so fucking stop."

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Or you're old as fuck and they don't think that you know how to use the scanner properly.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That as well

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I had a similar moment. Went to Uniqlo and didn’t know how the fuck to check out. Apparently you don’t scan shit anymore, you just drop it all into a bin at once and it knows what and how many. Must be rfid chips or something hidden somewhere. Nobody helped me, but my girlfriend and I felt really fucking old for a moment while we figured it out.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Damn... the face at that last panel... really makes me feel bad for him

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    almost every cartoonist has put themselves into their works

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Characters that are meant to be like an audience insert?
    Definitely and and there are many examples
    >Characters that are just literally the author?
    Depends. If the goal of the character is to showcase the author's fantasy, no.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Depends. If the goal of the character is to showcase the author's fantasy, no.
      But the Divine Comedy is considered to be one of the greatest works in literature of all time

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's because Dante drafted the first version of the Italian language and actually wrote it as poetry instead of prose. That actually took time and skill to do it so no one can deny his efforts were wasted or mediocre.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The exception that proves the rule

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As long they're not pretentious

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    According to Morrison's autobiography, King Mob was made as part of a magical ritual to make him have lots and lots of sex. It apparently worked well.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People have to stop acting like self-insertion of the author is some new concept that only popped up in recent years. There will always be a part of the creator in their characters, to varying degrees, some more blatant than others.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But I want to shitpost!!!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But OP is taking an existing character and writing a self-insert on top of them

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good writers put some of themselves in all their characters and occasionally identify with one so much that it becomes an extension of themselves. That sort of self insertion is not a problem in itself.

      It becomes an issue when the creator then uses that as an opportunity to live out their personal fantasies of getting the girl, telling off their bullies, or proselytizing their ideals.They’re serving themselves to the detriment of the story which is arguably bad writing.

      People don’t recognize when it’s done well. As such, the problem seems to be less of one with self insertion and more of one with self indulgence.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well said.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's flawed. There must be bad self-inserts whose comedy runs on self-deprecation as well. I wouldn't consider Sarah Anderson, for example, to be a bad self-insert artist, but there must be someone from that self-deprecation genre that fails to make their inserts work.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Where did he say anything about self-deprecation? You don't have to be self-deprecating to not engage in fanfic-tier wish fulfillment writing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's implying that self-inserts can only be bad if the writer uses it as a vehicle for self-indulgence, but there should also be bad self-inserts on comics that has self-deprecation as a theme.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >can only be bad
              First, nope. There is no qualifier that it is ONLY bad if it's used for self-indulgence, but that is one of the many ways to make it bad.

              Second, how do you define "bad self-insert" because I'm fairly certain it has nothing to do with my argument.

              Third, Sarah Anderson is an example of successful self-insertion as per my initial argument. The character is an extension of herself. She *doesn't* use her comic to live out stuff she wishes she could have done in real life. It's a comedic reflection of her reality as she perceives it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I agree with almost everything in that post. It's just that there should be bad inserts on self-deprecating works too, which makes self indulgence not necessarily always the reason.

                ok, I get what you're saying. You think Sarah Anderson is an example of a poorly executed self-insertion.

                First, my argument wasn't that self-indulgence was the ONLY way to make a self-insertion bad. It's just one of the ways.

                Second, what makes you say that Sarah Anderson's self insertion is bad?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There is no qualifier that it is ONLY bad if it's used for self-indulgence, but that is one of the many ways to make it bad
                That's fair.

                [...]
                ok, I get what you're saying. You think Sarah Anderson is an example of a poorly executed self-insertion.

                First, my argument wasn't that self-indulgence was the ONLY way to make a self-insertion bad. It's just one of the ways.

                Second, what makes you say that Sarah Anderson's self insertion is bad?

                [...]
                Self-deprecation can be seen as a form of self-indulgence. It's basically wish fulfillment where the author turns their negative behaviors or personality traits into something perceived as funny or quirky. Self-deprecation rarely involves actually calling yourself bad in an unironic way and usually boosts your own ego with either false humility or irony that downplays the seriousness of a negative trait.

                That wasn't what I'm saying. I read your post as saying that a self-insert's problem stems from the author's use of them as a means for self-indulgence, while there should also exist bad self-inserts in works that uses self-deprecation as a theme. I don't consider Sarah as a bad insert, but there must be some other artists with bad self-inserts from her genre of self-deprecating comics that exist.

                But, as this discussion continues, I still can't think of a good example of a self-deprecating insert that didn't work. Maybe this is actually a point to your argument, and that self-indulgence is the trap that self-inserts fall for.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Please let me know if you think of a self-deprecating self-insert that doesn't work well as a direct result of being self-deprecating.
                My theory is that, while the character may be self-deprecating at times, the part that makes it not work is when they get on a soap box and create a fantasy scenario where everyone claps.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I agree with almost everything in that post. It's just that there should be bad inserts on self-deprecating works too, which makes self indulgence not necessarily always the reason.

              Self-deprecation can be seen as a form of self-indulgence. It's basically wish fulfillment where the author turns their negative behaviors or personality traits into something perceived as funny or quirky. Self-deprecation rarely involves actually calling yourself bad in an unironic way and usually boosts your own ego with either false humility or irony that downplays the seriousness of a negative trait.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Did you actually read the post?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I agree with almost everything in that post. It's just that there should be bad inserts on self-deprecating works too, which makes self indulgence not necessarily always the reason.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, I've read enough junky isekai to know that self-inserting is just the mark of a shitty writer who doesn't know how to write from any perspectives that aren't their own unless you're specifically writing slice of life stuff based on your own childhood experiences.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is the opinion of someone who has never read actual literature.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Define "actual literature."

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No pictures.
            Cause words on a page no matter how shit means actual literature.
            I would rather read well written stories with well written drawings. Like the sandman.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I've read enough shit to know a thing is shit
        >French toast tastes terrible anon you have to piss in the batter!
        This is you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Someone post that nuPPG writer who ships himself with Blossom.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        see

        >Has a self insert character ever worked well?
        *ahem*

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's not a self-insert, that's an original character in an original IP. The OPs are literally just real people shoving themselves into existing IPs.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing wrong with self-insertion.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The characters and premise was based off of Savino growing up in a large family, so I think we can count Lincoln as his self-insert.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      GOOD shows, Anon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No one mentioned good shows, retard.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You tell me

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, Jackie Chan Adventures was pretty popular.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, I don't think Jackie Chan Adventures was written by Jackie Chan.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Has a self insert character ever worked well?
    *ahem*

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is he supposed to look like him?
      The only similitude is that they both wear glasses
      >square glasses
      he's wearing round ones
      >Hair looks nothing like it
      he's pretty much balding
      >le fancy shirt
      he's wearing a filthy hoodie
      Best argument you could make is the nose.
      But I think you guys are stretching they're just both white males, I know they all look the same but still.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >he’s wearing round ones
        Those are called rectangular. Glasses in real life have smoother points because actual, hard-pointed squares have no merit outside of as a novelty. I won’t go into how he’s neither balding, nor that it’s possible he might dress a little nicer around someone he likes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >But I think you guys are stretching they're just both white males
        Wait, are garden gnomes white now?
        Interesting...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you were to write a fantasy self insert, wouldn't you make yourself look better? Instead of the grubby hoodie you put on every day, you draw yourself wearing some nice shirts, instead of that balding head tormenting you in your dreams, you write yourself with a full head of hair. Self insets tend to be a writers idealized version of themselves, not how they actually are cause that'd mean they'd have enough self-awareness not to do it in the first place.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Self insets tend to be a writers idealized version of themselves

          It might be argued that doing that is what annoys people. I get that it's what most people would WANT to do, but the people who are good at it will tend to poke fun at themselves a little. If a person who always wears a grubby hoodie and is balding inserts themselves into a comic or cartoon, I would expect them to do a caricature of themselves befitting the style. Make the hoodie a little grubbier, make the baldness pop by making the remaining hair more whispy or making the head more egg shaped. Doing anything else is disingenuous. If people see a fitter version with nice clothes and a full head of hair they think "so THAT'S how that person sees themselves? yikes". If they exaggerate their grossness a little then the audience sees that the creator sees what they see and has a sense of humor about it.

          I think self inserts need to be a slightly less idealized version of the person. Anything else is self-aggrandizing and masturbatory.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >rectangular glasses
        >same hairstyle
        >same bulbous nose
        >same head shape
        The only real differences are that he's aged down and given child proportions. It's very obviously the same dude adapted into the PPG art style and age range.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It can work but the thing has to be written well and the character has to be at least moderately likable

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dante Alighieri from the Divine Comedy
    Shinji Ikari from Evangelion

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People still give a shit about I Am Not Starfire?

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Overall mediocre show but she’s literally the best part, not even for sexooo reasons she’s just more compelling to follow than the jokier side characters that are *usually* more entertaining than the MC in other shows

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, she also sucks, only difference is that you want to fuck her.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The more likely scenario

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bart simpson

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    DCAU Bruce Wayne

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just a reminder that basically all philosophical and therefore a good portion of scientific texts before contemporary are basically the writer’s self insert BTFO a strawman of his opponent in the same vein as that one copypasta of the christian and his professor
    and let’s not get started on fictional literature Dante

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No.
    You can tell yourself boomer shit like Peanuts, Garfield, The Simpsons and that sort of shit was passable, but it all actually sucks, and the new shit sucks even more.
    Everyone in the animation industry, including John K with his daddy issues, fuck you Guy, is a narcissistic ego maniac who cannot hold back from self inserting for 10 minutes, they will die from lack of oxygen if they do not begin to masturbate themselves violently in that time.
    I believe this has to do with the fact that animation is slavery when it comes to technique.
    A artist will never have to do more than 3 studies for a final page or painting, they usually loosely modify each version to be different, and you can see that it's never a 1 to 1 copy.
    Animators though, have to work on model, they have to slave away to make sure that the next frame is picture perfect lined up, properly, down to every minute detail.
    This sort of mental slavery I believe kills the level of creative input for them, and they end up being unable to think of new ideas, they can only interject their direct thoughts without subtelty.
    This is why animation will never be art. It cannot be. Like Japan, all animations should mostly just be adaptations of comic books, because animators have no actual ideas. They cannot brainstorm them, their mind is only family issues and intergenerational trauma, be sex offenders, and do drugs.
    This is why the only good animations ever made, were made under harsh corporate scrutiny.
    I'd fuck the artists, but animation will never be art, it has failed as a medium because the slaves were allowed creative control.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry I meant to say "I'd SAY fuck the artists."
      However on that note to add onto this, for what it is worth, animators have made it clear they are sex offenders.
      So I would as a matter of fact fuck Julia, Dana, Faust, and Vee, they must give amazing mentally deranged sex.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Vickerman for sure. She strikes me as the yoga hippie chick who would view sex as some sort of spiritual activity manifesting in energetic blah blah blah. Basically, she’d absolutely fuck your dick off while making it such an immersive experience that you’d swear her breaths were coming from inside your head.
        Crazy, but worth it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I just want her to fulfill my ffm threesome shotacon fantasy that I've had since I was 12, alongside Vee.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Who is vee?

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For the last time
    The currymoron was brought in well after the series was written.
    They made her brown so she can take the brunt of the hate.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What about inserting someone else like Dana Terrace did with her bestie Luz?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s pretty much like the weird PPG guy, it just comes off as creepy and weird especially considering Luz is based off an old roommate of hers

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Luz worked on the show, bro. She was into it.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stephen King inserting himself into the Dark Tower series ruined what was already a deeply muddled series, why the fuck did he do that? It's so hackneyed and gay, I can't believe people used to think of him as one of the great writers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      king has written like three good stories and only one of them has a good ending

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What are they? I liked Duma Key.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck Bendis, for fooling us that he's a good writer.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Let them fight.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dan VS

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If I ever self insert myself into a story I'm making sure I'm killed the first chapter or issue.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mike Tyson Mysteries and Jackie Chan Adventures lol
    Non /toon/ examples would be Louis from the Wayside books and the movie Adaptation starring Nic Cage

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Mike Tyson Mysteries and Jackie Chan Adventures lol
      Those aren't self-inserts, Jackie Chan and Mike Tyson didn't do anything on those shows besides voice acting in them.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Jackie Chan didn't voice Jackie Chan.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Right, he just showed up in little live action segments in episodes, so it was even less of a self-insert.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If we want to go that route, I'm pretty sure Mindy Kahling didn't do anything on Velma other than voice act in it too. She certainly didn't write it.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is ben really a self insert of jack kirby?

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