Has their ever been a real explanation why this was so bad but that it got decent reviews ?
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Has their ever been a real explanation why this was so bad but that it got decent reviews ?
Money and a really tight southern California bubble
This plus the lowest tier of (You) bait trolls that love Ruin.
>directs Ozymandias
>finally, irrevocably destroys Star Wars thus ending a decades long blight on humanity
what's not to love
>bait trolls that love Ruin
Yeah, that Security Breach DLC was pretty bad.
TLJ had the benefit of being compared favorably to the prequel trilogy, a series of films whose writing is no less moronic than TLJ's while also being much worse on a technical level.
Rian's girfriend knows all the critics and he is himself a dear because is considered hip.
BTW Rian is a bit like Ridley Scott. He can shot a gorgeous scene but the script can be extremely moronic. The difference is that Scott can have nice writers, Rian writes his own stuff so the stupidity is unavoidable. That goes beyond SW, with Looper as an example which is an assault to logical thinking.
FYI OP - the Force Awaken already had all the bullshit needed to ruin the franchise.
Ruin Johnson is an overrated hack and a fricking man child that needs his punk ass kicked.
Funny I was going to say the same thing about you
Pretty much this. There were many good writers that could tard wrangle Scott, but Rain' is a tard that's unwrangleable, because Hollywood has bought into the hype and thinks he's some kind of brilliant writer. He's not, he's mid at best. Did you watch that detective show on NBC? He ripped off much better shows from the 70s and 80s and pretended he was being original.
>Did you watch that detective show on NBC?
Which one?
Poker Face, the one with the Dyke from Orange is the new Black.
The Star Wars fanbase is moronic as frick.
There, that's your explanation.
But they were the ones who hated it. Nobody who liked this garbage is an actual fan of the series.
Actual fans of the series are moronic.
It isn't "so bad" though? Far and away the best of the sequel trilogy. The Poe/Holdo dynamic was great (autistic staff officer and hothead charismatic junior officer getting into believable squabble); the side arc with Finn and Rose was trash but that was only because it didn't go anywhere and had bad pacing, but the Kylo/Rey arc was good and their joining to defeat the red herring villain was good, and the fall of Kylo from Rey's rejection
>Nobody who liked this garbage is an actual fan of the series.
Frick you, you collectivist piece of shit. Just because something triggered you and you can't handle your own opinions and have to presume the collective supports you doesn't make it so.
Also I'm not saying it's a great film, it's a solid "meh" but it isn't pure cancer either; like with Crystal Skull everyone was hopping on the "it raped my childhood" when it was a pulp adventure flick set with an era for the age of Indy. But you do any defense of something it triggers the Cinemaphile console war brain of collectivist lemmings and so if you don't absolutely hate something like I do you love it and have no taste.
Ok midwit
>their
Why can’t any of you homosexuals use there, their, or they’re, correctly?
why can't you use commas, correctly
The Oxford comma is persecuted by jealous plebs.
TFA comes out
>waaah this is just a rehash of New Hope, come up with something new
TLJ comes out
>NO NOT LIKE THAT
>coming up with something new means just subverting it and wrecking the characters
Weird how doing something new that respected it wasn't an option. Ruin could have literally done whatever he wanted. And he decides what he wanted to do was wreck Luke and kill him off.
>turning Luke into a real character is 'ruining' him
>subversion, a basic storytelling technique dating back to Ancient Greece, confuses and angers Star Wars fans who just want glowstick fights
>turning Luke into a real character
>"he's not "real" if he's not pathetic and miserable"
Can't wait for Rey to become a "real" character, finally.
>a basic storytelling technique dating back to Ancient Greece
Here's your (You). Subvert Black Panther now.
>has no problem cashing the checks and jokingly asking for more points
>has no problem cashing the checks and jokingly asking for more points
Harrison Ford and Alec Guinness liked Star Wars, they just hated the friendless losers who ignored the narrative and emotion of the story and instead chose to treat it like a real universe they could live in and pretend they're the specialiest boy in the universe so they didn't have to live in real life.
If Luke Skywalker being sad unironically upsets you, you need to sort out your priorities
>you can't have an opinion
So why are you even ITT.
You can have an opinion, that doesn't mean your opinion can't be criticized and laughed at.
You don't care about Luke Skywalker's humanity, his struggles, or his passion, you just like him as an action figure
>You don't care about Luke Skywalker's humanity, his struggles, or his passion
Sure I do. That doesn't mean "kill him off while making him look pathetic" because you're a troll posing as a director is valid.
>redditspacing
Ouch!
>You don't care about Luke Skywalker's humanity, his struggles, or his passion
I would have liked that movie. Instead Luke's most dramatic character arc happened almost entirely offscreen, aside from the five minute exposition flashback
>Well you see I had a bad dream so I went to talk to my nephew but then I had a really bad feeling and realized I could just kill him then and stop that bad dream so I turned on my lightsaber but then I realized that was bad but he woke up and saw me before I turned off my lightsaber so he thought I was actually gonna kill him so he attacked me and then killed his peers and burned down the temple
Imagine fricking defending this tripe as some daring new direction for Luke's character
>the humanity and passion of being a homosexual pedophile
jews just love turning white heroes into punching bags under the guise of "complexity"
To farm (You)s of course
Sounds pretty sad. Since they're empty, and the majority of your kind has to pretend they're getting the reaction they're after.
>real character
Oh go frick yourself, you pretentious homosexual. If your method of turning Luke into a "real character" means basing him off Uncle Joey that used to sneak into your room at night and touch you in your no no places, then you came to the wrong fricking franchise you reprobate.
sounds like you're projecting your own personal demons onto the movie, newfriend
Seriously, go back to redit you beta. Luke already passed the test presented before him in RotJ. He wouldn't kill his father who committed worse atrocities than the ones he saw Ben might commit. There's no way he would have even a moment of weakness and think about killing his own nephew, the son of his best friend and sister that he protected so fiercely in the final duel against Vader.
But I guess gays like you and Ruin obviously don't respect canon.
>Seriously, go back to redit you beta. Luke already passed the test presented before him in RotJ.
This. TLJ is just the old lazy "we backtrack character development because we have to make more movies (or episodes if this is a tv series).
If these morons had the old trio as cameos they would have had all the time to develop their new characters. Like this, Rey swallowed all the attention the rest was old characters drama.
>I cannot emotionally handle my childhood hero having a moment of weakness
>resisting temptation once means you have conquered temptation as a concept and will never think about bad things ever again
>trying to pretend Ruin did some deep shit when the movie literally has a casino planet sidequest and Admiral pew pew mary sue
>none of the female characters have flaws
The whole movie is built like a farce or a comedy of errors. Don't try to give weight to the choices, the authors removed weight from it themselves, intentionally at times, accidentally at others.
It's a complete hackjob by a privileged idiot with high self-importance, appealing to contrarians and pseuds.
nice word salad there drumpft
maybe if you just write words you'll find some kind of meaning by the end of the sentence
>nice word salad there drumpft
Ah you are just trolling, nevermind then.
there is no point in trying to intellectually debate anti-TLJ autists, because their entire engagement with the movie is childish emotional kneejerk reactions. They don't seek to understand, they just want to complain
I don't like the prequels, but over the years I've tried to attempt to understand what George was trying to achieve and I've come to respect it, even if I still don't like the final result. anti-TLJ autismos will just keep screaming about Luke being sad hurting their feelings until they're in a nursing home
It's kinda hard to take a movie with a purple giraffe lady, shitty casino side plot, a yo mama joke in the first five minutes of the film seriously you know
>Purple giraffe lady
You're just projecting all of your insecurities over gamergate Essjaydouble(You) shit onto this character because she has purple hair, unreal
>shitty casino side plot
It's the weakest part of the movie but it's literally 10 minutes of the 2.5hr picture I have no idea why people let this shit completely ruin the movie for them
>a yo mama joke in the first five minutes of the film
It's weird how the same people who will defend JarJar and the toilet humor of the prequels to death get so fricking ass mad about this, even if the moment made sense for the characters involved
So... Considering the escape pods can be clearly visible trough First Order ship's windows... what was Holdo's plan, again?
>Clearly visible
It was only visible through Snoke's epic super special telescope for his observation deck, and he wouldn't be thinking to be looking for them if DJ hadn't warned the First Order.
Even if you're right, it's still a minor nitpicking plot hole and not worth getting assblasted over, Star Wars is full of dumb inconsistencies like this. Is the original Star Wars film bad because "there's no lifeforms aboard"
>It was only visible through Snoke's epic super special telescope for his observation deck
No. They were not cloaked. Everyone could see them.
So what was Holdo's plan?
>Everyone could see them
Not really, when Snoke tells Rey to watch the ships being destroyed he makes her watch through is telescope it's not like they were easily visible to the naked eye
>Not really
Yes, really. The First Order was watching that ship all the time.
Tros confirms that she actually wanted to run away but accidentally rammed the enemy fleet
Admiral Tumblr was a self insert of a purple haired writer
...do you think Rian was letting EU writers write his movie for him? He created and cast the character.
I do think the purple hair was an intentional choice to prey on the insecurities of the male audience, though lmao
Admiral Holdo existed before TLJ, you fake fan.
Yeah in my nightmares
Stop exposing me. I'm trying to fight the chuds here!
She first appeared in a promotional novel to advertise the release of the Last Jedi, that doesn't mean the character originated from that book
Was the Master Chief created for Halo: The Fall of Reach because microsoft released the book first to advertise the video game?
I don’t think Rian cared. Look at the movie. It was done by his committee.
>It was done by his committee.
No, the committee-dictated film would have looked like pic related, what all the braindead emotionally arrested fanboys wanted. The Last Jedi is a film, for better or worse, is very personal to Rian Johnson's interpretation of the franchise. You don't have to like or agree with it, but that's what it is.
>b-b-but le israelites wanted to destroy our cultural icons as part of their white genocide scheme, the cabal made it as a demoralizing tactic!
>Rian wrote and directed the entire thing himself
LOL
>No, the committee-dictated film would have looked like pic related, what all the braindead emotionally arrested fanboys wanted.
More strawmen, great!
>is very personal to Rian Johnson's interpretation of the franchise.
And Rian is a fricking subversive idiot
>you have only moronic options
then don't make the movie
But braindead emotionally arrested sums up TLJ.
Nah, the Last Jedi is a movie about getting old, realizing that life didn't turn out how you thought it would be, but still learning that you need to pass on both your successes and your failures so the next generation can learn from both your best and worst qualities. It's a very mature take
pic related is what manchildren want from Luke Skywalker, a CGI robot homunuclus that is epic
thats so interesting homosexual
I accept your concession.
TLJ was an abortion made by someone trying to subvert expectations. Not some fancy, high minded ideal. You are reading your faux intellectuals into it. Its like you are Rian the critic. A moron.
Every subversion in TLJ has a specific character or thematic purpose you just can't emotionally handle Luke being sad lmao
lMAO "Luke sad"
lol maybe my expectations were SUBVERTED.Yeah the purpose of SUBVERTING expectations for the sake of it. Nothing of substance. Just an edgy director getting the middle movie of a trilogy that doesn't fit together and feels like was made by different studios that didn't even work together but rather worked against each other.
>Only this gut can hack the thing
>This random person in your cell can too
I dunno, I thought it was pretty h**k*n* ep*c when Luke brushed his shoulders off like a bawss
>you just can't emotionally handle Luke being sad lmao
moron take when the almost exact same scene happened in a better movie and everyone was fine with it. Know WHY? Because it had been set up Frodo was becoming increasingly unhinged as the film progressed so when you get to this point in the film it feels EARNED that Frodo finally snaps and nearly kills Sam.
Nobody has a problem with their heroes screwing up or stumbling. Just MAKE IT MAKE SENSE
If Rian had made LotR, you'd complain about this exact scene. You don't actually have an opinion on the movie, you just have a hate boner for Rian because of Knives Out.
>hate boner for Rian because of Knives Out.
2012 Looper
2017 Star Wars: The Last Jedi
2019 Knives Out
Anon are you Tralfamadorian by chance?
>You don't actually have an opinion on the movie, you just have a hate boner for Rian because of Knives Out
b***h I didn't even know who the frick Rian was before this movie came out. I went in totally neutral on this movie except for the hype that it was new star wars, and didn't even hate it until I drove home and thought about the movie longer and realized how fricking stupid it was under all the flashiness.
I actually hate Rian for TLJ and I’ve never seen Knives Out because of him. TLJ was offensive and I won’t contribute to the box office of any of his movies.
It actually could have been if the failure in question wasn't just a hacky retread (TFA) and TLJ itself was better-written.
TLJ is about the director feeling smart subverting expectations because that was the popular thing to do with the GoT crowd.
The rest is dressing, and a very inconsistent one thematically.
I find funny that you say that THAT is what "TLJ is about" while nothing concerning the new characters is about that.
>It's a very mature take
>In the movie with yo mama jokes and other moronic marvel quips, heavyhanded LE CAPITALISM BAD scene, and deleted scenes of a naked alien waggling his butt in front of the camera
Oh yeah, very mature film overall
>You're just projecting all of your insecurities over gamergate Essjaydouble(You
bait bait bait wow so transparent
>It's the weakest part of the movie but it's literally 10 minutes
The HOW they get there undermines all the tension of the movie. There is this chase but people go back and forth in small ships as if it's nothing.
Not even lazy attempts to intercepts.
It's all so fricking LAZY.
And this ignoring Spaceballs-tier stuff like the clothes iron joke, or the scenes that were cut.
And now a strawman.
While I commented that even if well-executed, the focus on the older character was a dumb idea because the new one came out underdeveloped.
I mean the new "Lando" (the chink lady) was literally removed from the third movie because there was no space for her.
>If I just say "le strawman xD" (even if I'm actually doing what I'm being accused of) then I don't have to engage and I win!
ebin
>I got a (You) by being moronic so I won this interaction hahahahahaha
This bait is so bad doesn't even deserve an image
B8
Yes, you can do stupid things in a different way.
Are you 12?
The point is obviously that members of the Star Wars cult would have hated it no matter what they did. Try and keep up.
No, you are missing the point again because you have no intention to be intellectually honest here.
Yidsney damage control bullshit.
Empire was different from the first movie and it is beloved.
>Noooo Star wars fans are just impossible to please!
>Rogue One was well received just a year earlier
>Solo bombed (because of TLJ) but reception was still at least mostly lukewarm and at the very least wasn't hated
>Mandalorian became an instant hit
That implies that they would dislike literally any other movie, not just Star Wars.
This has always been my favorite pro-TLJ argument since TLJ is just Empire and RotJ in a blender.
TLJ is Star Wars in a portajohn.
It uses certain plot beats in order to convince the audience it's going to go a certain way only to epically subvert their expectations later
>No, see, you don't get it
>This isn't like the Battle of Hoth
>Because, get this
>Oh man, you're gonna love it
>You ready?
>It's not snow...
>Yeah, I know what you're saying "Whaaaaat? It's not snow??? Then WHAT THE HE*K IS IT????"
>Well get this! That stuff that looks like snow, but isn't snow??
>ITS SALT!
>BOOM
>GIVE ME MY FRICKING OSCAR
HAHA! I subverted your expectations!!!
Asking for something different doesn’t excuse something to be terrible. Your argument is moronic.
>TFA comes out
Hey this is fricking garbage
>TLJ comes out
Hey this is also fricking garbage
That it was too much like the original was a mild criticism of the Force Awakens. No one actually cared that much because overall, the movie was pretty new and exciting.
TLJ took everything people liked about TFA and got rid of it, and introduced a bunch of other shit no one asked for, for no real reason. Plus they shit all over Luke and made him a mopey b***h.
It's a good movie, it just ass blasts Star Wars consoomers who live in the world of childish banalities that Alec Guinness tried to warn us about
Why didn't ghost Yoda kill Palpatine with a lightning?
When Obiwan told Luke "I cannot interfere", I always presumed there was some kind of metaphysical law that prevented those who became one with the Force from directly interfering in the affairs of mortals. If it was specifically a physical thing, why didn't Obiwan show up on Bespin and start screaming in Vader's ear to distract him? Luke could have won that way
Regardless, this is like getting mad at Hamlet because Hamlet's dad chooses to only appear to Hamlet instead of just appearing as a ghost in front of the entire court and screaming CLAUDIUS KILLED ME AND STOLE MY THRONE
OK, so... Why didn't Yoda kill Palpatine with a lightning?
Actually, why didn't the Rebels just hyperspace-ram Death Star?
>why this was so bad
Because the director was more concerned about wanking his ego than making a Star Wars movie.
>but that it got decent reviews ?
Because modern critics wank themselves over le subvertion of le expectations (these frickers would have love Vince Russo)
Yes, it's a great movie from a film making perspective, but it pissed off Star Wars "fans" because it didn't follow their exact headcanon, therefore they saw it as the worst movie ever made.
>a subplot that goes no where
>unfunny jokes
Yeah it’s bad from a film making perspective
All you have to do is look at the homosexual spending weeks on twatter after TLJ came out posting shit like MAH DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK at anyone complaining to know exactly what kind of moronic homosexual he is.
So... Considering the escape pods can be clearly visible trough First Order ship's windows... what was Holdo's plan, again?
TLJ was so bad I stopped watching Star Wars
Same.
I could get past how they treated Luke and by extension Mark Hamill, that was something I expected.
I could not get over how fricking terrible the film was, how most of it made no sense, how Finn and Rose's entire thing could have been removed and it would have improved the movie substantially. How Poe was made out to be a complete moron for no discernable reason other than to make the women look better by comparison. How the first order became a joke. How they killed off Snoke instead of giving him something to do.
There were just so many bad decisions on top of the already bad decisions Disney made before they shot a single scene. It was just too much.
>How they killed off Snoke
To me is the fact that they did it for META reasons. Because they thought it would blow people's mind (with some moron it worked).
They adjusted the universe and story around that, while it was way to early for this to work.
People forget the DUMBEST idea of the whole movie tho: TLJ doesn't get a time gap. This is something that is actively damaging the franchise for a number of reasons, not only the story and immersion (a lot of things would have been acceptable if assumed off-screen, included Leia training Rey to "prime" her), and it amazes me it was greenlighted.
I thought killing off Snoke worked for Kylo's character. You could argue a better place for it would have been in the first or second act of IX or something, but I didn't mind it and still don't. I dislike how TLJ completely changed Snoke's appearance and demeanor to make him more disposable, though.
>I thought killing off Snoke worked for Kylo's character.
Not enough buildup. And that's because the movies is a mess with too many characters to follow.
Not enough buildup is TLJ in a nutshell. The whole movie felt like a finale to a story they didn't bother telling
>The whole movie felt like a finale
That's another thing that is maddening and I think a huge giveaway of Rian's ego.
>not enough buildup
My Black person there were two movies of Kylo coping and seething about all the shit Snoke was making him do, they nearly came to blows at the beginning of the movie. Do you need a five season arc before you're satisfied? Frick you
>My Black person there were two movies of Kylo coping and seething about all the shit Snoke was making him do
Please point out the specific scenes.
Also it's not my fault the movie still makes it feel undeserved.
All of their scenes together in TFA is Snoke taunting Kylo and questioning his commitment and if he'll truly be able to kill his father. Snoke then makes fun of Kylo for being a pussy ass b***h for losing to Rey, as his lack of commitment to the dark side made him cry when he killed his dad instead of making him more powerful. Snoke again tells Kylo to kill someone he cares about, so Kylo says no and murders Snoke instead
You just wanted Snoke to be Darth Icky or something and the big bad of the trilogy and you refuse to accept any other narrative
>You just wanted Snoke to be Darth Icky or something and the big bad of the trilogy and you refuse to accept any other narrative
Creating scenarios in your deranged mind is not an argument.
A few taunts aren't very meaningful and more importantly: if we don't know what Snoke IS (and we don't know because is the biggest mystery box JJ placed), we aren't going to CARE.
This is why the buildup is void. We only see one side, and is wishy-washy.
>if we don't know what Snoke IS (and we don't know because is the biggest mystery box JJ placed), we aren't going to CARE.
Wookieepedia has rotted SW fans' brains. They can't just accept characters at face value unless they know their entire backstory (see: gays who whine about Phasma but dickride Boba Fett)
>Wookieepedia has rotted SW fans' brains. They can't just accept characters at face value unless they know their entire backstory (see: gays who whine about Phasma but dickride Boba Fett)
Another strawman.
We don't need to pronographically know every detail of the backstory, but snoke is a bigshape with no substance. It's a huge nothing and that makes him pointless.
For the same reason, see the background of the resistance in TFA. Is there only for nostalgia - theoretically, it was the FO that was supposed to be the underdogs.
>but snoke is a bigshape with no substance.
I agree with this point, which is why killing him off to facilitate Kylo Ren's character development was the right move.
I thought the buildup was appropriate enough. Kylo was motivated by his ego. Once Snoke impinged on that Kylo got rid of him when he saw an opportunity.
literally just Star Wars fans. the people who gave good reviews were going to like it no matter what because it had the Star Wars name on it.
>there are people that STILL try to defend TLJ
Because it wasn't bad. It was arguably the ONLY good Star Wars flick.
Culture wars. That's literally it.
It became a proxy because the journalists defending it (on disney's dime) were all extremely vocal about certain social issues and the first places that criticised it were places like here (and plebbit) where the journalists could easily paint us as shut in alt right neets.
That the film is kind of racist and hated by people regardless of political affiliation doesn't really concern these morons.
Because on a superficial level the movie is more or less competent, sometimes very good. The cinematography is the best since TESB, the story feels more purposeful and thought through, Johnson got the best performances out of the cast, and so on. The movie caves in on itself if you prod it even a little, but for a number of reasons few critics did. Much like TFA, TLJ was handled with kid gloves and graded on a curve because Star Wars in general and blockbusters in particular had been shit for so many years.
>Story feels more purposeful and thought through
>movie caves in on itself if you prod it even a little
Well which is it?
Both. TLJ is deliberate with its story thematically, which makes it more purposeful. It also strings the characters along on nonsensical plot threads, which is why it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
I know, anon, it's hard to understand nuance in this day and age so i'll give you a better example.
It's like how men dress themselves up like women, doll themselves up with makeup, get surgery and hormone treatments, and force everybody to call them a "she" and from some very specific angles and lighting and maybe a little LSD they can produce a photo that makes anons think they are a real woman but the moment you see it move or hear it speak, you know. Which is to say that Star Wars is the troony of cinematography; male on the outside, hollow on the inside.
It substituted my experiments
It’s a based movie, but only because it gave us the complete and utter schlock and Breen-tier movie that was the rise of skywalker
>entire movie is about destroying JJ’s mystery box while leaving very few plot lines for the finale to resolve
Turned the whole trilogy into a pissing contest between the two directors.
TLJ ends with tons of potential for a final film, JJ just chose to not follow up on any of them
>ends with tons of potential for a final film
>killed off wrong characters
>killed off the "bad guy"
>Rey is a Mary Sue
>Admiral Tumblr breaking the universe with her "suicide attack"
>killed off the "bad guy"
The problem is that Star Wars fans are moronic and lack imagination, and if the final movie doesn't have a creepy pedo in a robe sitting on a throne to overthrow and a brooding henchman to redeem they don't know what the frick to do
>cries about unoriginality
>brings the Emperor back
Yes, that's why TLJ killed off the Emperor clone in Sheev, so the final conflict would be with the actually interesting villain of the trilogy, Kylo Ren
but JJ and the fans are moronic and literally don't know any Star Wars big bads besides Sheev so they just brought him back anyway
you think Star Wars fans wanted the Emperor brought back? On Fortnite?
>you think Star Wars fans wanted the Emperor brought back?
No, but whining about Snoke dying in the 2nd movie is what led to Sheev coming back
Star Wars fans are moronic. Because anyone still a fan, is a certifiable moron.
The entire trilogy feels like that writing exercise in English class where everyone passes around a piece of paper and everyone writes a different paragraph of a story. You can guess which of the trilogy was done by the emo kid that wears black.
It feels like 2 guys in improv class who HAVE to be the ones driving the scene, so they constantly negate each other.
>Instructor: So when we left off, we were discussing a cool space battle. We've gotten passed the business with the lightsaber and Luke so let's leave that alone today. Alright, what happens next?
>guy1: "The battle is raging and then Kylo shows up in a spaceship and he sees Leia and he's like "I'm going to kill you b***h!" like he did his dad"
>guy2: "Yeah, but then he remembers he was sad about killing his dad so he changes his mind and it's this really powerful moment about character growth"
>Guy1: "BUT THEN ANOTHER SPACESHIP SHOWS UP AND SHOOTS HER ANYWAY AND THE ROOM EXPLODES!"
>Guy2: "BUT IT'S FINE BECAUSE LEIA HAS THE FORCE SO SHE CAN FLOAT THROUGH SPACE TO SAFETY"
>Guy1: "That makes no fricking sense!"
>Instructor: "Boys, please. Remember, you both get to contribute."
>Guy1: "Fine... Well Leia is so hurt by the explosion that she collapses into a coma and can't do anything for the rest of the story"
That's not the emperor, he is WAY talled, has longer hair, slightly darker skin, and a golden armor.
Tangentitally, you are entirely correct but probably for Iger, not for Kennedy.
Most star wars fans are morons that don't know what they want.
I wish Disney would subvert my expectations and made a good film. Seriously, the MSM seems to declare something good when it has the right "values" i.e. CIA approved art. Good init
Pseudos who felt kinship with Rian's sloppy deconstruction of a franchise
Pressure to please the most influential company in the industry in order to get continued access to critic screenings
Literal paid reviews
Disney literally blackmailed LA critics.
I mean is not some conspiracy, mainstream media talked about it.
Rian a pathetic manchild brainlet but Jay Jay Abrams did hand him a turd. He basically had to fill the mystery boxes i.e. write the story for the whole trilogy in effect. That he effectively trolled JJ was one the funniest aspects of the film. The main problem is that the film is shite.
Yeah, Cinemaphile is wrong.
Movie critics are professionals, they literally judge the quality and entertainment value of movies for a living. If you're going to say they're all wrong or all lying, you might as well argue with the entire science community about climate change.
Modern critics re-evaluate or condemn older movies all the times, sometimes themselves, other than the public, baffled by what the frick people were thinking back then (this is besides any change in values).
whew buddy
>don’t question the science!
As a comedy, it's a wonderful film. Disney hired J.J., who is famously known as someone who can sell a project to the public but has no idea how it will end, to make a soft remake of New Hope with as little risk taken as possible. Filled the movie with mystery boxes so that someone more competent (or interested) could solve it later. And it worked. $2B box office worldwide and close to that in Funko Pop BB-8
So they came up with the brilliant idea of hiring someone who apparently had their 5-year-old daughter stabbed through the heart with J.J.'s nose. Every line of ideas from the previous Last Jedi film is keen to contradict or even ignore. It's just great
Worse than Jar Jar Binks. Disney are certainly achievers
They liked it. I'm more curious why they praised The Force Awakens so much.
Remember when Luke tried to murder his sleeping family member because he was having a bad force dream?
Remember when you couldn't go to bed because the bulb on your Luke Skywalker nightlight went out?
Nah I had a lightsaber near me. You never know when your uncle might try to murder in your sleep.
Remember when your uncle molested you?
These movies are hilarious. A documentary about how they frick it up so much would be much better than the goofy flicks.
>decent reviews
people are too afraid of being called a grouch so they will lie about their opinion if they feel other people will also lie enough. They don't want to be accurate if it means they'll be lumped in with Armond White the Supreme Reviewer gentleman.
They were fine with giving the prequels bad reviews. You think maybe that happened for a reason?
Did Disney and their machine own Star Wars back then?
No, which is why the movies sucked. Then Disney, a company that knows how to actually make movies, took over and, shocking apparently only you, made amazing movies.
>a company that knows how to actually make movies
>made amazing movies
not even trolls like all three abortions. TLJhomosexuals hate the last one because they tried to fix the damage. And everyone else hates TLJ for being moronic.
Yeah no critic was gonna get on the bad side of Disney with more Star Wars movies coming out. You might not get invited to early screenings or parties of you give them a bad score.
The movie was good. Simple as.
Lucas sold SW to the Dark Side
TLJ should've ended with Rey taking Kylo's hand.
SUBVERTED
Barren xenomorph was a mistake
UNHINGED
>Find Literally Anything Wrong With The Last Jedi Without Whining How They Ruined Luke Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
More strawmen, great.
People already told you it's tonally deaf, thematically inconsistent, logically a catastrophe, and manages to kill more tension than a Joss Whedon joke, and that the focus on destroying the old characters gayocitated any space for the new ones.
Pretty sure I asked for things that the movie did wrong, not what you, with your awful taste, didn't like.
Yeah, pretty much.
Pretty sure you already explained why the movie was bad with your posts.
What's something that you think the movie did wrong, assuming you don't think the movie is perfect?
The hyperspace ram itself was stupid and wrong
They should've killed Finn
Rose should've died and her cute sister should have lived
Rey is an unstoppable force with no weaknesses who masters everything without any struggle
Holdo's plan made no sense and there was no reason for her to withhold information
>Poe and Rose go on a wacky quest to save the animals but not the enslaved children
How the frick did Rian get this pushed through anyway?
Because it was good and Cinemaphile has shit taste.
There have been innumerous well thought out, unbiased, articulate and verifiably true lists of reasons written by anons who saw the film all throughout its original run and aftermath that you are free to scour through the archives and read for yourself, Disney shill. That requires a modicum of effort on your part that you have no interest in undertaking because you're just on a routine assignment of market research. Stop peddling your shit. Don't look to answers in the consumerbase when it was the rodent loving company that fricked the franchise over that shat money for 40 years all in one fell swoop. Its not as though competant and immensely creative people were available and employed where you work that could have made the next iteration of Star Wars into a masterpiece that would have been gushed over for years to come, but your kowotowing to modern politics, leaving women in charge, and your shortsighted greed caused such long term ramifications.
Love seeing that company crash and fricking burrrrn.
That's easy.
It's a movie made by shareholders, pushed out by critics they own as well that attacked anyone who told the truth about the film, all the criticisms and fair points against the film was met with juvenile fingers in the ears "la-la-la-la-I'm not listening", ran by a woman who hates the franchise and its fanbase and took it upon herself to upend everything that made it special because strong wimmins, and simply by doubling down on their moronation by shitting on the floor and declaring victory.
What was once a franchise born and made to be seen on the big cinema screen has been reduced to a bunch of tv shows that had to have a baby Yoda puppet to marginally draw in viewers.
Frick talmudists.
I dont know what you people want? You want ep 7-9 to be Thrawn trilogy or dark forces or New Jedi order series? Mark and the rest are too old for this now, you must realize this so they had to do something new and its generally loved outside this echo chamber. I'm old enough to remember how the internet absolutely shit all over the prequels but now they are loved and revenge of the sith is the fan favorite of all the movies. Clone wars series was called childish and poor at the time and now its seen as the best star wars media there is inspiring 3 of disneys projects in Mando, Bobo Fett and Ashoka.
When we get the next Rey trilogy this site is gonna be gushing over the genius of ep 7-9 and how you always thought it was good secretly
>You want ep 7-9 to be Thrawn trilogy or dark forces or New Jedi order series?
No. To be honest I never wanted sequels at all, especially not after the prequels. The prequels and sequels are both shit.
>but now they are loved
No. Contrarians or people from r/prequelmeme like them.
When most people defend them, is because Lucas has been clumsy, not cynical in their conception and execution.
The prequels are sometimes so clumsy they feel cynical, though.
>Space Jesus Vader and Boba Fett Stormtroopers aren't cynical marketing ploys retroactively repurposing familiar OT imagery in nonsensical ways to sell more toys
ok
Don't forget the droids being shoehorned in, Chewbacca having a cameo that almost included baby Han, and Yoda whipping out that little laser sword and going to town.
Yeah, that's bad. It doesn't make the sequels good tho.
I think the only thing the sequels did worse to deserve more hate is the fact that they are contemptuous. Toward the source material and the audience, and the rules of the universe.
>inb4 midichlorians
yeah I hate those too.
>towards the audience
Maybe the audience shouldn't be so fragile It's not easy making movies, you know.
>Maybe the audience shouldn't be so fragile
OOF the mask if off
Anon, also super-satan... I don't defend the prequels. I say how they are perceived and KINDA defended by people that think they are bad but have the heart in the right place.
>its generally loved
pigs and dogs root around in shit. what animals love is no marker of quality
>I'm old enough to remember how the internet absolutely shit all over the prequels but now they are loved
generally speaking, the initial reaction to them was overly-harsh for reasons that have been explained to death. the prequels still aren't great movies, though; Attack of the Clones in particular is nearly as bad as the sequels
>When we get the next Rey trilogy this site is gonna be gushing over the genius of ep 7-9 and how you always thought it was good secretly
this will never happen, because the sequels are so full of holes and rampant illogic, so poorly-written, so incoherent, that anyone who can soberly evaluate a story will come to the conclusion that they suck ass. the sequels are often visually impressive but that's the only thing they have going for them.
ITT: People who hold onto the past so hard that they refuse to acknowledge when something better comes along
>mindbroken sequel trilogy shills
Because it was good but Star Wars gays can't see past muh Luke
it was good so, that's why
Is Disney paying for your hormone injections?
the simple answer is that the review ecosystem is like any other system that's been gamed: it's all dishonest, purely cynical calculation. any reviewer who would dare to tell the truth would find themselves some shade of marginalized, invisible, or forced out: it's an old, old story when it comes to 'the press' of any sort.
To the homosexual mind, shit is good. It is much like the ovum of their sex, they are drawn to the shit in search of hole
>Star wars gays are still assblasted about The Last Jedi
Rian won Lol
Your
Snoke
Sucked
>this was so bad but that it got decent reviews ?
By whom? By whom, morons? I was seething by The Force Awaken, because that movie was a moronic retelling of A New Hope, but worse in every single way, a retelling that was 350% more moronic, incoherent, which made absolutely no sense, with morons villains giving way to moron heroes and moron plot points giving way to FRICKING moron moron FRICK YOU cinematography and FRICKING PLANET SIZED DEATH STAR SOLAR SYSTEM KILLERS!!! AND HARRISON FORD GETTING KILLED BY HIS LITERAL PUSSY OF A b***h SON! AND RESURRECTING OFFSCREEN KIA! AND A BACKSTORY THAT MADE FRICKING NO SENSE! WHERE'S THE FRICKING NEW REPUBLIC?! WHERE IS IT MOTHERFRICKER?! OH NOES THE NEW REPUBLIC WAS OBLITERATED IN LITERALLY REMOVED SCENES!!
Anyway, I was a little bit miffed by The Force Awaken. Critiques gave it a 96% for some reasons.
Then I saw The Last Jedi. Everything The Force Awaken did bad, The Last Jedi did worse. Everything that was vaguely repearable from TFA was utterly broken by TLJ. The last few things TFA did good, which could be counted with the fingers of a quadruple amputee, were broken beyond all repair.
It got a 98%. Refreshing, by most critics. A good movie. Ground breaking.
Because it's a great movie and the people who disliked it have bad taste.
For me, it's Benicio Del Toro's character coming upon the plot by pure happenstance, saying a bunch of things that are a lot more interesting than the current plot, then leaving
It's time for Star Wars to end
it is over to anyone with half a brain
Shills. Controlled reviews. Deleting negative reviews.
unironically disney shills
they even came here after they fleeced everyone with TFA going on turbo cope interference mode
the only good things to come out of this movie was kylo going his own way and rey being nobody, and that shit got retconned in the next movie by jar jar abrams
For the record, I don't think this is terrible. It's sporadically interesting - Rich Evans on The Last Jedi.
The positive reviews were examples of political/social compliance with Hollywood messaging.