Has there been a mainstream comic run as good as the Bat epic in last 30 years?
Morrison's Action comics excluded.
Has there been a mainstream comic run as good as the Bat epic in last 30 years? Morrison's Action comics excluded.
Has there been a mainstream comic run as good as the Bat epic in last 30 years?
Morrison's Action comics excluded.
The Knightfall Arc ran in the early 90's
This was shit. Something that's epic and grand without having tons of loopholes and is decently written.
name 20 loopholes in Knightfall
Random 7-year-old boy taking over Gotham because he likes Napoleon or something, where'd he frick off to.
You mean The General? Robin took care of him in his own series
No, and I read it as it was being released
Genuinely no. And least of all anything written by grant himself.
That shits awful, the novelization is better.
it's far longer than it should be.
I wouldn't even say its the best Morrison run of the last 30 years.
2001 New X-Men Grant Morrison
2001 X-Statix Peter Milligan
2004 The Punisher (MAX) Garth Ennis
>New X-men
I wish I could read ypur post further.
Stop. He hasn’t writtten anything in his career as well paced, plotted, thought out and executed as his run on Batman/B&R.
Gentle reminder Morrison’s pronouns are they/them ^_^
No, he will always be a man.
The only person whos pronouns I would respect. None of the Twitter snowflakes have written a great Batman or Superman comic. So whatever, they/them Morrison is still one of the best out there.
gay
Yes I have gay sex, why do you ask?
>I am a bottom if it matters
actually no, you gays just misinterpreted what he said, which is unironically quite bigoted
Also ennis punisher is better before MAX and only good after Born when he’s paired with Parlov because, like millar, parlov gives a nice aesthetic for the misery and cynicism to bounce off of.
>DC
Hitman
>Marvel
Punisher MAX (Ennis)
>Vertigo
The Invisibles
Preacher
The Sandman
Sandman Mystery Theatre
>WildStorm/ABC
Planetary
Wildcats 3.0
Promethea
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen I and II
Tom Strong
Top Ten
MAX was after Born.
Geoff Johns Green Lantern. It's not always the best but it has so much great stuff overall. Johns did more for GL than what Morrison did for Batman.
Meh, I hate the rainbow corps but I can’t claim it isn’t just as influential and high profile.
Sorry, I'll have to mention better ones instead.
This
DnA's Cosmic Marvel
DnA's Heroes For Hire
Kyle & Yost's X-Men & Company
Greg Pak's Incredible Hercules
Journey Into Mistery (forgot the writer)
+ a number of 90s stuff, to name a few.
>Sorry, I'll have to mention better ones instead.
Did your post get cut off? Not seeing them.
Read some good comics, then
>Kyle & Yost's X-Men & Company
New X-Men/Academy X and X-Force? What was so special about it?
Academy X was good and X-Force was OK, but they weren't even the best X-books of the era. See PAD's X-Factor, Remender's X-Force, or Gillen's Uncanny.
PAD's X-Factor was great, but I'm not sure I'd consider it peak x-book because it really does its own thing.
>New X-Men/Academy X and X-Force? What was so special about it?
It actually built (respectfully, I thought) on previous Claremont continuity, tied some loose ends. New X-Men towards the end actually had a good take on a new X-Men junior team earning their name - I didn't care for Academy X and all the random slaughter early on.
I actually meant more towards the Messiah Trilogy and Necrosha era (it felt like they were kinda leading the direction of the comics at that point, for me), though even Curse of the Mutants still had some good material. I'll admit I don't recall exactly who was writing the main X-Men books, but a lot of the Utopia era in them rubbed me the wrong way.
Utopia era X-Men was Matt Fraction. I think you're overestimating Kyle and Yost's influence on that era of comics. They did Necrosha and Messiah War, but both of those crossovers were just extensions of their X-Force run, and none of it had the character-defining work you saw from PAD or Remender.
>I think you're overestimating Kyle and Yost's influence on that era of comics.
I dunno, their X-Force run was the one that used a bunch of classic Claremont villains and referenced classic stuff. I get the impression those two are huge fans of the Claremont run, but one is an edgelord who loved killing off characters. You can see in the crossovers that spanned several titles like Messiah Complex, Second Coming and Necrosha. Meanwhile, the other titles' writers were giving us stuff I largely didn't care for like Generation Hope, a lot about Utopia, the science club etc.
Johns is a hack and Hal should have stayed dead.
Not going to read the thread, but I assume it is full of Morrison haters. Tired of this shit, Cinemaphile used to appreciate Moz.
The Long Halloween
I think the criteria is ongoing Big Two comic run. Long Halloween is limited.
Just another example of why ongoing comics are crappy. The most iconic and best-selling Batman stories are limited series.
LotDK is an anthology, not an epic run in an ongoing under a dedicated mastermind. But it's easily the best non-limited Batman book in main continuity of the last 30 years. Batman Adventures, Gotham Adventures, and Superman Adventures are probably the most solid, overall quality ongoings at DC in the last 30 years.
Yep.
Morrison is getting to that age when comic writers don't really have that ambition anymore, right? He looks good for his age, but 63 is well past the prime for most Big Two writers.
The MCU is so financially successful it's a phenomenon, yet it didn't really invigorate the superhero genre. If the MCU had a robust DCCU to compete against, then maybe more energy and talent would've been generated. But many fear that superhero fatigue is setting in, and that opportunity is gone. (Or maybe somehow the normies jumping ship will right the wrongs, who knows?)
I think Morrison bowed out due to the shitshow of New 52, and the overall lack of passion and innovation in the Big Two for the last decade+. If the tide turns, maybe he'd jump in again. It feels like we're in an age of ennui and stagnation waiting for some big thing to come fix everything up, like King Arthur restoring the kingdom or some shit.
Goes to shit in Batman Inc.
The beginning part of the run is underrated though.
That would be the second part/series of Batman Inc, during New 52 shit. It seemed editorial didn't want all the deep continuity references of the first half, gutting Grant's existing story and leaving behind a bare bones, uninteresting and padded basic action tale
Yeah i'll concede that the first part of Inc was better. HOWEVER, the foreign Batmen shit was my least favorite part of his whole Bat Epic so increasing the focus on them bored me. I don't care about le scottish batman, and his sidekick girl was only slightly less boring/annoying.
I have all three omnis and I stalled out as soon as I reached Inc.
I hope you at least read the native American batman and Robin chapter, that was the best issue in Inc IMO.
For batman? Only O'Neil editor's run is at the same level but has worse low because 90s.
For other heroes?Don't think they are better or worse but
>JLA and All Star Superman
>Moessner/Waid/Geoff Flash
>Geoff/Tomasi's Green Lantern run
>Triangle Era(it had also worse low) ,plus Louise Steel and PAD supergirl
>10s Aquaman(multiple kino runs with serviceable runs)
>Peter David Hulk
>Geoff Johns Superboy prime epic(the finale was the only good thing about Batkek)
>Lemire Animal Man
>Busiek and Geoff Superman
>Daredevil post Miller saga (Nocenti to JMD to Kessel to Kelly was a ride to leave Miller shadow that made you cry when Quesada happened)
>HAckman Fantastic Four
>DnA Guardians and Nova
>Greg Pak Herc and Hulk
>Jurggens Thor
>Busiek Ironman n Avengers
>Louise simonson and Peter David X factor
>Authority
President Luthor era(Loeb+ Kelly) could have been better than batmorrison but they fricked up at the end of both runs.
What would a Morrison run of Spider-man be like?
Bad.
Like JMS's run(same with Hickman)
Also, Morrison would rather write Thor or FF than Spiderman
>Like JMS's run
So, awful.
The Geoff Johns’ Green Lantern run
The original War Journal is better than the Ennis MAX run.
Not only is that wrong, it's irrelevant.
>late 80s action cheese > Ennis edgefest
No, it’s not.
This implies Batman was good in the last thirty years when it really isn’t.
Was No Man's Land bad?
It wasn’t no Year One.
honestly, the big problem I have with No Man's land is that Batman is absent for a good deal of it. I know there are rabid fans of the supporting cast and I respect that, but I'm Batman for Batman and, maybe, Grayson.
That's fair.
I have yet to read the whole thing, I've read the first volume and felt alright.
No I was trolling don't read it. Or at least don't pay for it. King's run was trash, save the time. There are like 20 other Batman runs that would be better.
>King's run was trash, save the time.
Tom King? I wouldn't bother. What does that have to do with No Man's Land, though?
>I think Morrison bowed out due to the shitshow of New 52
Wasn't part of the fault on the shitshow because of him? Like, he just wouldn't communicate with anyone working on it
>Wasn't part of the fault on the shitshow because of him? Like, he just wouldn't communicate with anyone working on it
That was about Superman, not Batman.
I thought it was pretty good, a fun event that used many characters well. And it did make some meaningful changes on Batman too - Cassandra being the most obvious.
Immortal Hulk, easily.
sux
Remender's Uncanny X-Force would be my personal pick
>Has there been a mainstream comic run as good as the Bat epic in last 30 years?
I legit think GL comics are of higher quality than Batman comics.
Oh boy, more "Ennis is bad" seething from the schizo. Are you ever not triggered by his name?
After reading the Boys comic after my friends hyped it up for me, I genially think Ennis deserves to get shat on for writing such a dogshit comic
It's not even that bad. It has its good qualities.
Have you read any current year ongoings? Those are bad.
Sorry dude but it’s legit shit.
It's bad overall, but it has good qualities. I managed to finish it without feeling the need to b***h, which is more than I can say for most other bad comics.
NTA, but I don't even know why I finished it. It made me feel gross, like I'd jerked off six times in the same day.
All Morrison comics suck
Wrong. He has some good stuff.
They
They who? Anon just mentioned Morrison.
It's a bait post. Morrison asked to be called they instead of he, so posters will concern troll when Morrison is misgendered.
Morrison even say that is too old to that shit and doesn't give a frick.
Is probably more a "I don't believe in genders in my whole live who should I care now"
Probably more 'comic companies are beholden to debtors and the biggest debtors want only gays and dickchoppers getting promotion'
No he does not
Wrong again.
idk
Morrison's retired from big 2 comics right?
Hopefully. He's getting worse and worse at comics.
the first half of his GL was crazy fun, imho
I fell off in early season 2, was there anything good in there or nah? References to his wider lore or anything?
dunno, I did exactly the same thing. Got so wild that you'd need an annotated edition and foot notes to make sense of it.
I liked the Blackstar mini, though.
Are you me?
Blackstar mini was cool, but the issue that lost me was the Flash team up one I think. I know it had strange birds in it too. Utterly incomprehensible. I thought Grant was sober now...
Wasn't this giant bronze baby in that too? Hell, art was great
I mean, I though the real crazy fun was volume 2, but you do you, man
green lantern by geoff johns until new52 (add green lantern corps to be even more kino)
LOTDK, Batman/Gotham Adventures
Neat comic
agreed, pretty kino
I don't get it.
Comics suck because they literally don't let new people in, at least, not on merit.
DC regularly puts out specials and anthology comics that are made up of a lot of new talent. A lot of them suck but some have promise. Marvel has been promoting new writers and artists for a couple years now. One of the better Spider-Man artists started off doing Spider-Man fanart on Deviantart. DC's Chinese push has been bringing in Chinese writers and artists.
>not on merit
That’s the key. They hire lots of new people, mostly people who have never bought a floppy, hate the entire release format, write for trades and barely ever read any of those.
Yes, many. Morrison's run was pretentious overblown self-sabotaging shit.
>pretentious
The peak of the run (B&R) was incredibly lean and straightforward though.
Name 20.
Tom King's Batman buries it
The run itself was fine. But literally nothing good has come out of the legacy its left on Batman.
Greg Rucka's Batman was pretty good but Ed Brubaker might be Satan to the character so everything Rucka did is kind of tainted.
War Games was a war crime. His Catwoman was carried by the artists
This is the only Batman I ever read and I tried reading more afterward but it just didn't interest me.
It's the blueprint for everything bad about modern Batman stories.
This but not by fault of the original story. The original story was amazing, but then writers keep putting out mediocre riffs on the original like a bad photocopy, getting worse and worse each time.
Miller does DKR and we're still getting grimdark batshit 30+ years later.
We'll get the Snyders and Zdarskys and Williamsons of the industry doing Morrison ripoffs for at least another 15 years.
Batman No mans land? I prefer it over bat epic.
Knightfall and hush get lots of mentions by batgays but both are trash.
I really don't get what people see in Morrison's run, it's shit and racist as hell.
>racist as hell
This has no bearing on its quality.
yes it has
Nope.
Sucks.
still better than Morrison's batwank or Johns' colorwank
Maybe.
Those are all shit.
>Those are all shit.
That's true
That's a shit take.
Anyways, I'd put Hickman's Fantastic Four and Avengers runs and how it all led to Secret Wars up there with Morrison's Batman.
top choice
No.