Have you noticed that zoomies are incapable of discussing cinema without console warring?

For some reason there was immediately an uptick of trashing LOTR and OG Star Wars when Dunc was released

Same thing with The Batman and TDK. This isn't unheard of behaviour, of course. It happened before but it's now more pronounced as in the console warring dominates the discussion.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thats a moron Cinemaphile trait

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fanbase wars existed long before Cinemaphile, just think back to Star Wars vs Star Trek or Kirk vs Picard. Even the Ancient Greeks argued over whether Sophocles or Euripides was the better playwright when it would be better to admit that both were good.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it would be better to admit that both were good.
        Perhaps. But the question remains. Who was better? Who would have won in a fight?

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      epic fail

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >sci-fi illiterates start to realize that star wars has tons of elements from older sci-fi
    worst part is that they're still sci-fi illiterate so they think star wars just copied dune and don't realize it has elements of all sorts of other things

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a zoomer thing, these kinds of normies have always existed.

      If a video essay hasn't covered it it literally doesn't exist for them

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's not a zoomer thing, these kinds of normies have always existed.
        As I said in the OP.
        >This isn't unheard of behaviour, of course. It happened before but it's now more pronounced as in the console warring dominates the discussion.
        I was online when TDK was released and while there were comparisons with Burton's Batman, that sort of discussion was sort of an after thought. Even back then BTAS was considered a better adaptation.

        The online push for The Batman to be considered the "most comic accurate" was something else.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If a video essay hasn't covered it it literally doesn't exist
        This is depressingly true

        I listened to part of a FOUR HOUR monstrosity as background noise a while ago. Not only was it pretty boring, it was full of obvious glaring mistakes that anyone with even a passing interest in related subjects could point out.

        >Yeah, scale armor was essentially unique to the Chinese.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Both borrowed a lot from a Princess of Mars. The idea of Butlerian was borrowed from Erewhon written by....Samuel Butler.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thank you, anon. More people should know about Princess of Mars and the Barsoom series. Just because Dune is the flavor of the week, they are claiming it to be a highly influential work with no precedents. Star Wars and Dune borrowed heavily from this and Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon as well.

        Normies did the exact same thing with Oppenheimer, it's a popular movie and now they have to talk about fantastic facts related to the movie because they want to sound smart.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Barsoom
          we all saw that awful movie

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >awful
            ESL moron. The word you are looking for is “awesome”.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The idea of Butlerian was borrowed from Erewhon written
        Bravo Hackson.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do people really not know Star Wars is just Flash Gordon and a bunch of fantasy amd sci-fi shit thrown together?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You greatly underestimate the ignorance of modern audiences. For most people, sci-fi began with Star Wars. The fact that a movie from the 70's is even known of at all yet alone still popular is a testament to how central people consider it to be to the genre.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I was just arguing with a guy who thinks Dune is the "father of sci-fi". Like what is wrong with these people.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kids always do that

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dune has elements of Tarzan, I Claudius, The Man Who Would Be King, Foundation and Lawerence of Arabia but isn't as good as any of them individually except perhaps Tarzan.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dune wishes it had anything as iconic as Tarzan's call.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this whole thing is irrelevant because star wars was saved in editing by marcia lucas anyway

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it wasn't though. That's just a moronic rumour made up by halfwits who don't understand how editing works

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wish Villeneuve knew how editing worked.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sad to realize these pretentious morons never knew about Dune or "better" films until now? Like they spent so many years seething over Scorsese and now they're acting surprised Star Wars and Marvel is subpar?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because now the evidence is presented to them in tge form of a slightly more sophisticated capeshit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >sad to realize these pretentious morons never knew about Dune
      That's because Dune is shit, and the fans of the series are insufferable. Have you ever seen any fan of the series try and explain which books are good? Exactly.
      You like flashy pretty pictures, which is all that DUNC has going for it. Which is why BR2049 was popular, outside of literally me/coomer circles.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1-3 are good

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >BR2049
        But that was actually a cool movie.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's ultimately a worthless flick because the original Blade Runner has better visuals and script

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            BR2049 is objectively better, literally everyone on this board agreed when it came out. Go back to your circlejerk, newbie.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Rutger Hauer has about a thousand times more charisma than Jared Leto though. That's the only place where 2049 really falls down.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The villain is not important, moron. He's an obstacle for the plot to happen, the story is about K.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but Rutger Hauer is really charismatic, and carries the original film.
                2049 doesn't have Rutger Hauer in it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because 2049 does not need carrying.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But it doesn't have Rutger Hauer.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, what would be the point of carrying a giant piece of shit around?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are a newbie and do not belong here.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are a tastelet, you definitely belong here.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Leave to your subreddit then

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is not your safespace, brokkolihead.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                YOU're the broccoli head homosexual

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >literally everyone on this board agreed when it came out.
              Not me.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You weren't there, newhomosexual.

                Not even newhomosexual as it was 2017. You're worse than that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I was there and I called you out for being a tastelet. No cap.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Have you ever seen any fan of the series try and explain which books are good? Exactly.
        I've seen them explain it plenty of times.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are a midwit.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          midwit is a good description of Villeneuve fans, conversely

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well, all of the Frank Herbert books are good, firstly. 5 and 6 are skippable because they don't really go anywhere, but they're still fun.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some people just can't seem to compliment one thing without tearing down something else.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    star wars isn't really very similar to dune at all

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      swords and mystic shit in space and there's an inhospitable desert planet. there's also that giant worm thing in Empire Strikes Back.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        its like saying two dishes use paprika and salt so they are the same meal. aside from a single function the mystic stuff isn't similar either. and dune uses actual swords but star wars doesn't, and the reasons are different, because jedi are like samurai myths. the desert planet in star wars isnt inhospitable either, lots of people live normal lives there. regardless, those are all set pieces

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >aside from a single function the mystic stuff isn't similar either.
          Future visions is one. The voice / mind trick is 2.
          Increased speed is 3.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          SW was influenced by Hidden Fortress, Dune, Flash Gordon, Valérian and Laureline, Princess of Mars, The Dam Busters and most famously The Hero with a Thousand Faces. We know all this. But frick even Dune took shit from places.

          Originally SW was more similar to Dune in early screenplays it was more noble houses fighting and spice trading was a thing too (later reduced to Spice Mines of Kessel mention).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >swords and mystic shit in space
        Sounds like Lensman to me. Herbert should have been sued

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >zoomoid has a mental breakdown when it realizes older media influences newer media

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >lol, all these popular stories are basically the same!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      White incel crap that was debunked years ago.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The debunks are from academics that are known for seeing Anal Rape everywhere they look in myth and from people who are even bigger laypeople than Campbell was, ie shitty mad feminist writers.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why the hell is it going anticlockwise

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zoomers are really insecure because they know all their media is worthless slop, they don't have anything belonging to their generation that's actually good so they try to tear down stuff from older generations in envy

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's funny because most zoomie cultural events are fuelled by millenial, Gen-x and Boomers.
      > Top Gun Maverick
      > Mario
      > Avatar 2
      > No Way Home
      > Barbie/Oppenheimer

      Of these, Barbie is the only one that had substantial zoomie participation/focus but it was mostly Gen-Z girls. Gen-Z men have nothing going for them. BR2049 (another boomer/gen-x legacy media sequel) was a flop and Dunc is a modest success at best(despite their insistence that it's a cultural phenomenon, it's grossed less than Thor Love and Thunder and Hobbs & Shaw).

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's honestly pretty sad how zoomers don't have any classic movies of their own. Nobody is making movies about their generation, there's no big blockbuster series for them. That's why every time a big movie comes out that isn't the most lazy dogshit ever it's praised as the greatest work of art this century.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Explains the popularity of Dunc.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    protip: no movie with Zendaya in it will ever be kino

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It's totally zillenials and not corporate shills, guys!

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Villeneuve's Star Wars (A New Hope):
    X-Wings reach Death Star and fire one volley of missiles.
    Death Star is destroyed.
    'Now, we go to war with the Imperial Fleet'.
    Ships leave.
    The End.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fans and people never change it is just easier to access the autism now with social media.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Star wars is much more similar to Lord of the rings than to Dune, at least narratively

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah no shit it is using archetypal storytelling.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >are incapable of discussing cinema
    >talking about glorified capeshit
    tbf this also applies to films and not just movies lol

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The truth is all culture is just stolen and slightly fudged and changed as younger generations have no cultural connection to older things they don't notice as much.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if kids studied actual literature in school instead of group reading shakspeare, people would understand that all stories come from somewhere and would be able to appreciate the rich history of storytelling. idk, knowing what parts of warhammer 40k have been lifted from dune makes me appeciate both more. feels like to connect things together. not sure why it makes normies recoil in fear

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kids now are obsessed with authenticity. And the hilarious thing is that ultimately everything they consume is inauthentic. Youtubers feel "authentic" to them because some random person can stream to you from their bedroom! But in reality that person has backers or companies behind them. A Youtuber plays a scary video game and pretends to be super scared to entertain the viewers. Kids watch this, develop parasocial relationships and view that behaviour as authentic when it is fake. Youtuber drama develops whenever fakeness is talked about because so many kids cannot discern what reality is. It is amazing how younger generations treat basic information like "this thing influence that thing" like it is some secret knowledge because their favourite movie critic Youtuber told them it even though it is mentioned in a 100 books and common knowledge.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not just zoomers. People get mad when they realize two songs that sound alike or stories with similar plots because we put a monetary value on ideas so they think is stealing to repeat a good idea. Tarantino would be accused of plagiarism by morons 20 years ago. Not much has changed.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, but that's because Tarantino is a plagiarist

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hey look you are one of the ones I was talking about

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    literally picrel

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good one, I’ll be reusing it

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wait until they realize that Dune is just a worse version of The Bible

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought Star Wars was only made because Lucas couldnt get the rights to Flash Gordon

      Dune isnt like the bible at all. the story of Paul is a rip off of arab uprising/prophet mohamed and of king arthur

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Dune isnt like the bible at all
        Why did Frank Herbert make Dune take place in the desert? Why did George Lucas make Star Wars take place in the desert? It's 100% about the desert mysticism & messiah.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >desert mysticism
          >MUST BE BIBLE
          moron. are you aware the area of the levant is not a desert wasteland?
          >messiah
          yes who causes a holy war. hence I said prophet mohamed. learn.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The most important parts of the story happen in the desert
            >The Exodus
            >40 days and 40 nights
            and its where God reveals himself.
            The desert acts as sort of a clean slate where you cut out the complexity of your environment and make it very simple. Its in this serenity you can look inward and begin the journey of the interior life, where you find God and can hear him as the external world quiets down.
            Its why monks live in purposefully isolated and ascetic surroundings.

            The connection of desert and spirituality is pretty apparent.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >For some reason
    They obviously don't want to admit they were born into a culturally barren period and are coping.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pic
    They're completely different works.
    For starters, Dune is a book and SW is a film.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >watch an older movie
    >important dramatic/cool scene
    >can only think about the Family Guy joke that ripped it off
    This hobby is dead, my brain is nothing but frostbite no matter how much I excavate.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Other way around. Dune is pseud shit.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shills on Cinemaphile are exceptionally moronic. For some reason they believe people are only allowed to play one game, in perpetuity; and that it's a huge gotcha that people aren't still playing a game they all beat a month ago.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >time for a new wave of "Star Wars is just Dune" bullshit
    For frick's sake. You're literally proving you don't understand Star Wars or Dune when you say these things.
    Star Wars is mostly Flash Gordon and Kurasawa anyway, with an infusion of Biblical morality about the redemption of the soul and shit.
    >well it has sand in it, so...
    You're a fricking idiot.

    And that's without even getting into the fact that Dune borrows heavily from Lawrence of Arabia, and wasn't the most original thing in the first place.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In the end everything draws inspiration from something, but morons don't understand this and think inspiration=ripoff. This dune=star wars crap is just one of the most famous examples.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lucas Star Wars is fun and engaging. Dunc is boring slop. Simple as.

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Actually, John Carter was first

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      John Carter is kind of Allan Quatermain in space.

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Dune
    He’s only seen the shitty flicks, hasn’t he?

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He's just a guy finding out how much of a hack george lucas is, Indiana jones stories are all cribbed from pulp comics. Don't think this is a fanbase vs fanbase thing, more that zoomzooms were never told that people who make movies have in general stolen all of their ideas from better writers. (like herbert did kek)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You try ripping off Flash Gordon and producing something as excellent as Star Wars.
      Have you even seen the black and white Flash Gordon serials? They're kind of shit.

      Being inspired, and producing something fantastic is not being a "hack". it's the opposite of that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You try ripping off Flash Gordon and producing something as excellent as Star Wars.
        >Have you even seen the black and white Flash Gordon serials? They're kind of shit.
        >
        >Being inspired, and producing something fantastic is not being a "hack". it's the opposite of that.
        He's still a hack and always has been, he made better special effects and that's his real claim to fame but star wars is actually utter shit. I like the first 3 indy movies though and consider them well done as they don't rely anywhere near as much on special effects. As for your point about old things not having the advantage of modern special effects they still get their stories across fine.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's not remotely a hack. The original Star Wars in particular is excellent, and that's the one he actually directed, as far as the original trilogy goes.
          He had all the right ideas. That the universe should look shabby and lived in, for example. That's not necessarily as obvious as you might think, when you're used to sci-fi looking like the original Star Trek.
          The decision to pull heavily from samurai movies, war movies, and westerns. obvious in retrospect, but kind of a stroke of genius when you're the first one to do it.

          You try making a space adventure movie that good, from scratch, in the late 70's.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >He's not remotely a hack. The original Star Wars in particular is excellent, and that's the one he actually directed, as far as the original trilogy goes.
            It has one good scene, obi wan vs vader the rest is awful.
            >He had all the right ideas. That the universe should look shabby and lived in, for example.
            That's not necessarily as obvious as you might think, when you're used to sci-fi looking like the original Star Trek.
            This is just good world building and had been done before him, he didn't come up with these ideas in a vacuum.
            >The decision to pull heavily from samurai movies, war movies, and westerns. obvious in retrospect, but kind of a stroke of genius when you're the first one to do it.
            To steal you mean, which is all lucas has ever done, given that he's a hack.
            >You try making a space adventure movie that good, from scratch, in the late 70's.
            I gave credit to his actual innovation but it sure wasn't story related.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Tatooine is the best part of the movie, and C3PO is the best character.
              World building effectively is a skill.
              Stealing effectively is a skill.

              Nothing you're saying is proving Lucas is a hack. It's the opposite. You're artistically illiterate.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >World building effectively is a skill.
                >Stealing effectively is a skill.
                So you admit that he is a thief and a hack, excellent. Good day sir.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When you steal something, and do it better, you're a good artist.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The stories are also bad in classic Flash Gordon. I tried watching them, because I like that kind of thing (I've seen a lot of classic Doctor Who), and they were just poorly put together.

  34. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    who the frick writes paragraphs of text on Twitter? what a loser

  35. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm also a zoomer Star Wars fan who recently got into Dune and it's not that good. I liked the books but the movies are trash, especially the new ones.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tribalism is a trait as old as man himself.

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Star Wars is the NARUTO of space operas. Take everything from a bunch of stories, mix it and create a very entertaining product for as long as you're copying other people's ideas. Then you decide to go on your own and your story becomes shit. (Same with Game of Thrones which is basically Dune. They even had a eugenics plan to create Jon Snow)

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