>Hollywood is abuzz with speculation approaching Warner Bros. Discovery’s first quarterly earnings since becoming the nation’s No. 2 entertainment giant on Thursday. Multiple insiders told TheWrap they expect Chief Executive Officer David Zaslav to announce a major restructuring of marquee streaming platforms HBO Max and Discovery+ during its results or soon after.
>The move will result in a gutting of HBO Max, significant layoffs for its executives and staff to minimize redundancies with HBO and a combined streaming service with Discovery+ with a harder line separation between the scripted and unscripted content operations.
>“Everyone in Warner Bros. Discovery is nervous at the moment, and [they’re] starting to look at alternative job options in case they get the axe,” a company insider said. “Sounds like they’re not doing HBO Max scripted shows anymore with HBO taking over, so less scripted shows overall.”
>HBO Max development is expected to be especially hard hit with layoffs with two sources placing the amount of dev staff cuts at 70%. “HBO Max has a development team, which is a lot of overhead,” the agent with knowledge explained. “And why do you need a development team at HBO and HBO Max? It’s redundant. Just have Casey Bloys’ team do all the scripted TV development.”
https://www.thewrap.com/hbo-max-layoffs-warner-bros-discovery-q2-earnings-preview/
hope you weren't too invested in their animated programming, Cinemaphile
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Bye Bye Peacemaker, maybe you should have tried NOT being shit
But it had that quirky musical intro.
THROW YOUR DOG THE INVISIBLE BONE
I genuinely at lost here Max is doing far better than Netflix and Disney Plus, is it because of Nolan they're doing this? He said putting movies into streaming before theaters would drive off big name directors from WB which is why he left
HBO Max is wholly owned by WB so Discovery can't make money off of it. This NEW Discover+HBO service will be owned by WBD so Zaslav makes some bank from his hit shows Selina + Chef and Pose
get ready for the Toddlers in Tiaras sequel series you never wanted
Zaslav is exactly the kind of moronic exec that pisses both sides of the culture war off, so I can believe it
Yeah but he doesn't give a shit he's like Bobby Kotick but clean
WB has been in debt for a while because of AT&T merger shenanigans. HBOMax did good, but they needed to merge again to take on the debt and the new suits are stripmining WB for short term profit. Story as old as time.
AT&T had literally nothing to do with it you fricking moron. WB's debt is WB's own fault.
The actual numbers were obviously really bad, as in bleeding money.
D+ is bleeding money as well, same with Amazon Prime, but those companies have alternate revenue streams and can lose money (Amazon practically endlessly), WB+Discovery and Netflix don't, so they will start cutting fat, A LOT.
Yes. But I was sure WB was done with wiener sucking Nolan.
it is being replaced with a brand new streaming service that will house both WB and Discovery content
Call it WB Lot
Call it The WB and get Michigan back, and I'm in.
>Call it The WB
And get Smallville to return for a mini series or movie. Have Welling be Superman. Also eventually get Jensen Ackles back for a Supernatural movie.
It's gonna be so fricking funny how hard Discovery will push its own shit over WB's. The UI will probably look like this:
>ICE ROAD TRUCKERS: THE GREAT TUNDRA TRUCKOFF
>HOUSE HUNTERS SEASON 39
>ANCIENT ALIENS: THE ATLANTEAN SKULL HYPERBOREA
>---
>the sopranos
Hey...Ive seen this one before
I forgot Zaslav steamrolled Discovery Kids and made it The Hub. Frick him
And then b***hed for a decade because Magic Horse Adventures was a runaway success they didn't count on making Hasbro massive amounts of cash.
Discovery Kids kept its name in Brazil and Hispanic America.
Should have kept the name Hub.
It couldn't keep the name Hub because it was never named Hub in first place.
Even if this were true, why go through the trouble of making a wholly new streaming service instead of simply adding Discover content onto the already-existing HBO max?
Over here they gave everyone a "lifetime" deal of HBO Max only being like 4 bucks a month. Shutting HBO Max down and starting up another identical service would get rid of all those "freeloader" subscriptions.
I have that too, sharing with my sister to make it even cheaper. If they remove either the discount or the good content I'm gone.
I'm betting they'll not only get rid of the discount but up the normal price because "you're getting access to so much more content now!". There's no way in hell I'm paying for all that scripted reality tv shit, I wouldn't even want it as a free channel for god's sake, I'll just go back to pirating Band of Brothers and Carnivale whenever I want a rewatch.
OHNONONO
Reminder that you're a fricking mark if you read Trades
yeah
HBO [Home Box Office] is already the best name for a streaming service. Why wouldn't you want to be associated with HBO?
The only possible explanation is that the Discovery execs want THEIR brand to be the most important because it'll make them look good. Execs often make financially dumb decisions for the company if they believe it benefits them personally.
They have learnt nothing from the WB and UPN merger to the CW
Meh, I'm fine with this.
American animation hasn't really been "for me" for at least half a decade now.
fricking weebs i swear
Almost all animation seems to be comedy or child-safe action.
Korgoth and Primal seem to have been a handful of action for adults.
I AM jerking off TO CINDY BEAR
What are you gonna jerk off to once Jellystone is cancelled?
Cindy in her funeral clothes, mourning the death of Jellystone while her pussy is out.
your mom
Gee, if only there was, you know, a network...made for cartoons. A sort of cartoon network.
I'll honestly be surprised if Cartoon Network or Boomerang survive this
can't really do unscripted cartoons so they're probably gonna be axed soon
>TINY TOONS? BACKED BY STEVEN SPIELBERG? DOOMED. TOTALLY DOOMED.
I knew Cinemaphile was moronic but this is new levels.
Same guy told Clint Eastwood to frick off and that they don’t owe him shit. Maybe he’ll be kinder to a fellow tribe member
who isn't?
They're gonna nuke the criterion content, aren't they?
More people know HBO and WB than discovery. If they are not moronic they will just add shit to HBO Max.
They're not. They're either merging it into Discovery+ or making a new service. Either way scripted shows go to HBO proper which means no more shit like Flight Attendant or Doom Patrol
Then they are moronic. Imagine people saying they can't wait to watch Discovery instead of HBO.
It's moronic but apparently they get a tax break if they don't use anything created before the merger
So you're saying there's a good chance Pibby's been shitcanned?
They're only keeping the rockstars like Euphoria and Teen Titans Go
This. Rick and Morty, Game of Thrones spinoffs, Succession, Westworld, Teen Titans Go, Gumball, Euphoria, and Smiling Friends are probably safe due to their streaming and cable numbers.
Universal is legitimately having a good year. Jurassic World Dominion and Minions: The Rise of Gru did really well.
Paramount on the other hand is having a banger of a year. Paramount+ is one of the higher streaming services now and Top Gun and Yellowstone are cultural phenomenons. Sonic the Hedgehog, South Park, and SpongeBob also did numbers.
>on the other hand is having a banger of a year. Paramount+ is one of the higher streaming services now and Top Gun and Yellowstone are cultural phenomenons. Sonic the Hedgehog, South Park, and SpongeBob also did numbers.
Yellowstone is a breakout hit - especially since it moves the middle in ways that Euphoria does not, even though Euphoria is more popular on twitter/tiktok etc. People actually pay to see Yellowstone. But otherwise, you are full of shit. Paramount+ consistently performs worse than Peawiener and shit like Cruncyroll has a higher number of subscribers user. HBO Max has more revenue after expenses than even Disney+, even if Disney+ has more subscribers (although both Netflix and Hulu can claim more revenue than HBO Max).
Theatrically, yes, you are correct so far for 2022, Universal and Paramount both have larger shares (23%/22%) than either Disney/Buena Vista or WB (17%/13%): https://www.the-numbers.com/market/2022/summary
BUT Paramount barely has less than a handful of movies left to release this year, whereas WB will easily add another 5-10% to that, whereas Paramount won't.
Paramount+ also has three breakout Star Trek hits: Lower Decks, Prodigy, and Strange New Worlds.
>three breakout Star Trek hits:
I have never heard anyone talk about them outside of Cinemaphile.
Yellowstone is not even on Paramount+. It's on Peawiener.
What about Sony Pictures?
>About a month ago Greenley's relatives stated that Pibby hadn't been greenlit so far, but that it could be by next year.
I would give it a 50-70%
Finally some good news
That thing looked like it was going to be a fricking mess anyway if it was greenlighted
90 Day Fiance television universe mogs the DCEU hard
Flight Attendant is definetively moving to be an HBO show instead of a Max show. It would be dumb not to make the move
They aren't going to renew it and move it just like what happened to Siren, a show that probally fitted more on FX than Freeform but Disney still insisted on cancelation
Doom Patrol is good though, you fricking philistine.
but it's not profitable, it costs millions of dollars, and it's not a reality show.
say bye bye
harleybros. we must cherish every new episode we get. i fear the worst.
>Batgirl gets canceled
>TINY TOONS IS CANCELED LOL
>speilberg
Spielberg only has the power to make something, he cannot control whether the parent company wants to actually release it anywhere
>>TINY TOONS IS CANCELED LOL
for real? how much was wasted on the budget department?
>>The move will result in a gutting of HBO Max, significant layoffs for its executives and staff to minimize redundancies with HBO and a combined streaming service with Discovery+ with a harder line separation between the scripted and unscripted content operations.
>>“Everyone in Warner Bros. Discovery is nervous at the moment, and [they’re] starting to look at alternative job options in case they get the axe,” a company insider said. “Sounds like they’re not doing HBO Max scripted shows anymore with HBO taking over, so less scripted shows overall.”
this discovery CEO is so fricking based and good at his job. Thank god the wokes are getting fired and he's only keeping the moneymakers
big fan of Ice Road Hauntings: Alaska eh
Actually, I'm a big fan of the 90 Day Fiance cinematic universe franchise, Ancient Aliens and the Naked and Afraid cinematic universe. All 3 of these franchises shit all over the DCED in terms of profitability and profitability.
I exclusively watch shows about people who buy things and then plan to resell them for profit.
I watch Curiosity Inc on youtube for my fix of that, especially the stuff where he buys hoarder houses and cleans them out of anything valuable before selling the house again. It's got all the therapeutic cleaning/finding hidden treasures parts without all the over-worked cinematography, music and fake drama of mainstream shows-
I may actually kill myself if the venture bros, aqua teen, and metalocalypses movies announced last year get canceled.
The ATHF might survive the chopping block
Get on it then. Unless they were anything other than HBO Max exclusive they're gone.
Just like Smiling Friends
>tiny toons is gone, i swear
>so what it's being backed by steven spielberg? it's canceled i swear
Why are you getting obsessed over TT specifically
THAT one might be safe, but we already have reports of others being fricked
>batgirl and scoob
>ENTIRE STREAMING SERVICE IS DOOMED
>CARTOONS AS WE KNOW THEM ARE DOOMED
>NINTENDO IS DOOMED
Frick off.
Why are you acting like a moron?
They're gonna liquidate Steven Spielberg
Yeah, they're gonna turn Spielberg into liquid.
The Discovery CEO will drink his remains to make an example of him.
They're actually not HBO Max exclusives. They were announced as Direct-To-Video movies that would be added to HBO Max a few months after release. It seemed strange last year, but it may actually be their saving grace now.
The ATHF, Metalocalypse and Venture Bros movies will get sent to DVD and Blu-Ray first
Venture Bros movie was one of the only things that convinced me not to kill myself because I knew it'd take forever to get here and give me time to find other reasons to keep living
I feel the same and if you go through with it don’t just take yourself. Not hard to find these people everyone thinks a revolution is inevitable so you could be one of the first martyrs and remembered as a hero by those who know world needs more sky kings
Make sure to livestream it for us.
based
DO A FLIP
They’re only going after HBOMAX stuff right now. The AS movies might get a pass since it’s being straight to DVD/Blu-Ray and six months later added to HBOMAX. Their on the cheaper end to make too. Well find out soon on ATHF panel this weekend news of their movie which should be done. I’m guessing an announcement of a release date.
>we had a sticky for nothing
>I may actually kill myself if the venture bros, aqua teen, and metalocalypses movies announced last year get canceled.
I'm a huge VB fan but The Venture Bros. potheads were never actually going to get around to writing their movie, just like they couldn't be arsed to do season 8.
I also love ATHF but ATHF doesn't work in the movie format, as demonstrated by the awful movie they already made years ago.
Metalocalypse has always sucked.
No big loss.
>I'm a huge VB fan but The Venture Bros. potheads were never actually going to get around to writing their movie, just like they couldn't be arsed to do season 8.
They already finished recording though
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Frick off weeb, ywnbj
This is why I will forever be a pirate and refuse to pay for any streaming service.
When are we actually getting more announcements?
Tomorrow I think
I would've liked to see Young Justice get another season or two to see where exactly weisman wanted to take that story if anywhere specific at all, but the only real loss would be not getting a Venture Bros movie. That said, I think a lot of people are talking like the sky is falling and everything in production even tangentially related to WB/HBOM/DC/whatever else is canned, and those people probably need to take a step out side for some fresh air anyway
>I would've liked to see Young Justice get another season or two to see where exactly weisman wanted to take that story if anywhere specific at all
he was talking about season 7 and beyond. the show wasn't going anywhere
Weisman straight up doesn't believe in definitive endings. He would never end a show, ever.
W.I.T.C.H. had an extremely satisfying ending... probably because it wasn't his show to begin with though
S2 had a cliff hanger ending like S1.
Literally everything from the existing storyline was wrapped up basically perfectly. Introducing brand-new characters doesn't change that, in fact it makes the ending much less depressing than the heroes hanging up their capes
WITCH the comic continued long beyond that point though, and he set up the seeds for the next comic arc at the end.
As I recall he's already said it's over.
>he set up the seeds for the next comic arc at the end
Sure but that doesn't change my point, the show has the most genuinely satisfying ending I've ever seen in a cartoon.
>As I recall he's already said it's over.
I think Greg just want to push the desperate to make online movements. That being said the show could be picked up later on, although would be nice if it's continued straight after the recent season
I didn't mean seeing where it ends, I'm kind of fine with capeshit being open ended as it's a natural part of that genre with how it all recycles or resets anyway. I just mean I wanted to see how far he'd take the world building/how many new characters he could clutter the screen with/etc. After the two seasons on the DC app, finally being an HBO branded cartoon seemed to be getting it a lot more attention and momentum publicly. It's not even close to one of my favorite shows but I still think YJ is going to surprise everyone and survive this culling
WB owns like half the animation content Cinemaphile is interested in, Multiversus is a huge hit and has tons of beloved franchises and all of their animation plans are now in jeopardy
wasn't one of the "insiders" teasing some big news happening this afternoon? Where's that at?
Little Ellen is fricking gone how can anything be bigger then that
you're literally in it you fricking idiot. 70% layoffs
this is fair, I swear I thought this was just another panicked Batgirl reaction thread and skipped most of OP's text.
the tweet I saw was "wait until the big news at 2pm tomorrow" or something along those lines. I thought that was last night referring to this afternoon but I guess could've been after midnight east coast time when I saw that tweet
can't believe I'm not gonna get to see a cartoon where toddler Ellen calls a PA a c**t or something
EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE ERASED. Every Warner Brother owned cartoon is going to be DELETED. Including the 1920 Bosko cartoons! AND THEY WON'T TOTALLY PUT ALL THE CARTOONS UNDER ONE STREAMING SERVICE SEPERATE FROM THEIR OWN! DOOOOOOMED
my dad used to work for Warner Brothers, is he still going to exist or am I about to get blinked out of existence thanks to this WB/Discovery merger?
Discovery is going to KILL EVERYTHING. Even if you WATCHED something by Warner Brothers, you're getting scrapped.
Are you doing damage control or something?
No, I'm pointing out everything with a script, especially cartoons that cost thousands if not millions, to produce, won't be on their streaming service anymore. And totally not go to another streaming service that focuses on cartoons. Some sort of cartoon centric streaming network or something. You have to join me in doom posting, anon. THEY TOOK LITTLE ELLEN AWAY FROM YOU, EVERYTHING'S DOOMED
if it's being written off for tax purposes they can't just throw it on cartoon network or sell it to another service, otherwise it wouldn't be eligible for a tax write off and they'd have to pay whatever they got back
they might be able to sell it on digital marketplaces still like megas xlr though, i don't really get that
>if it's being written off for tax purposes they can't just throw it on cartoon network or sell it to another service, otherwise it wouldn't be eligible for a tax write off and they'd have to pay whatever they got back
more than tax purposes, it's being written off because these woke morons were not delivering profits. They had their chance and failed miserably.
nah it's all tax purposes, the content of the show literally doesn't matter, if it'd be more profitable to write off the show then they will
Why would they spend money on creating a new streaming service just for cartoons when Warner Bros. Discovery is trying to pay down their debt?
Oh if only there was an already established network just for cartoons.
They are not going to dump all of HBO+ cartoons on Cartoon network stop being moronic
They’re already doing that with Jellystone. At this point, why not? Most of the promising shit is cancelled or was pulled from production anyways.
>expecting intelligent decisions from corporate entertainment executives in 2022
Frick you and your mocking posturing trying to downplay others' worries. Suck up.
why was this post number skipped?
huh?
i'm pretending they got blinked out of existence
you can't pretend that because I'm the poster you were responding to and I still exist. A lot of this looks like people were trying t
It was tomorrow actually.
Since WBD's quarterly report is tomorrow.
You can't work all the fictional narrative IPs with unscripted programming, so what are they going to do, sell the franchises around? Otherwise it's just sitting on money you aren 't going to earn until the IP goes public domain.
ALL cartoons are being erased thanks to SCOOB getting canceled, haven't you read the thread? ALL OF THEM. Even the ones from the 1920s.
>the plan was killing physical media and then killing streaming so absolutely nothing remains
I don't get what do (they) win from it but okay. Must be some cleansing Earth and starting civilization from a clean slate thing.
use them all as tax write offs, every single one
Unironically how long can you keep doing that until your grasp on the IP ends?
I know some things need to get published or otherwise worked on regularly or every so often, or else the rights revert to the creators or their heirs, iirc that's the deal with Wonder Woman.
no idea, but i don't think they can just do that with any IPs they own, they have to be for specific projects they already spent money on and have a plan to spend more money on or something
The market has decided that it's not going to pay for more than 1-2 streaming services.
We're watching a 20 year trajectory of all these rival streaming services slowly coalesce into two or three entities.
That's a good thing.
>We're watching a 20 year trajectory of all these rival streaming services slowly coalesce into two or three entities.
so basically cable, except no cable.
So a 20 year journey to return to what was clearly working 4 to 5 years ago?
I didn't even realize HBOMax and HBO proper's content development teams were separate. That is fricking redundant, and they are right to jettison people, at least those on administrative and managerial positions.
hbomax isn't hbo it just uses the fricking name
No! HBO Discovery's gonna delete this thread! I TOLD YOU IT WAS HAPPENING
>Netflix gathering dust and leeching from my bank account for 3+ years
>Had to go back to piracy.
>Modern piracy sucks ass compared to early 2000s piracy despite the immediacy of modern internet speed.
>Just give up on watching anything.
>HBO Max finally arrives to my country
>Has all the cartoons I ever wanted in good quality, unlike the 240p advertised as 1080p kisscartoon shit I had to get used to.
>Has 90% of the good shit.
>They keep adding classic cartoons in og quality.
>Hope in streaming restored.
>This thread appears.
Why can't I have nice things Cinemaphile?
>>They keep adding classic cartoons in og quality.
I don't know how HBOMax operates outside the US, but within the US they probably have the worst tech out of the 5 majors (Netflix, Amazon, DSNY+, Apple). Bloated files due to archaic encoding, bad upscaling and deinterlacing, poor connection speed because of the oversized videos. I hope their entire dev team is sacked.
Pic is from their upscale of PPG. How did this get past quality control?
>Hope in streaming
That was your mistake
piracy sucks ass compared to early 2000s piracy
It's far easier, and you can literally avoid going to sites ridden with pop ups everywhere
They never added Duck Dodgers, so frick HBO Max.
>t. signed up for private trackers years ago when they were open
Public piracy is completely fricked these days
But how will this affect Toonami?
can't kill which is already dead
Good for Reeves chads though. Our movie came in on budget, on time and was a strong critical and financial success. Exactly what they're looking for, exactly not the rest of the DCU.
>still getting the HBO Max spin offs shitcanned
cartoons are doomed
Judge Doom is laughing in delight right now
They've been doomed before this.
If Discovery starts axing more cartoons after the merger, then I think it's pretty much the beginning of the end. I'm not even doomposting - animation is expensive, and it's obvious that the target audience of 98% of cartoons (children, tweens, and teens) would rather watch a streamer that reacts to fricking YouTube videos all day.
At least on streaming platforms, there was a pocket for cartoons. But after Netflix starting slashing animation projects left and right, and now this whole bullshit with the HBO + Discovery merger, it's looking pretty damn dire for the medium as a whole - at least in the western world.
Not to mention when people do watch cartoons nowadays it's usually old shit or anime.
Looks like animated movies will be forced to hard carry
>rename HBO Max to WB Max
>move everything from Discovery+ into WB Max
>kill Discovery+
Why won't they do this?
The CEO is from discovery and wants Discovery to have priority
Why would he want that? WB is the stronger brand.
That in no way matters, he doesn't want his life's work to play second fiddle. CEOs won't do what's logical if it harms their ego
Because Warner is a bawd brand now, Discovery will pump and dump it then toss it out on the street for a loss. Time did this, AOL did this, AT and T did this, now Discovery
will WB ever be it's own company?
Only if they go bankrupt and somehow don't get sold off piece by piece. They are carrying far too much debt to go it alone.
Knowing what Zaslav wants to do, I wouldn't be shocked if he wants to turn all of WBD's animation portfolio into a machine that cranks out cheap preschooler cartoons that make heaps of money because parents put them on to keep their kids quiet. Everything animated that is aimed at teens or adults is in danger.
Pretty much everything that you think Zaslav wants to do with this Warner Discovery + is essentially done by youtube. If you want some crazy documentary and reality tv shows or some cheaply animated kids cartoons, you can get all that on youtube for free and in better quality than the discovery channels programming. And if you want high budget reality tv that cant be done by youtube, Netflix is already cornering that market really well.
Probably not. This isn't even a new thing, people think WB brought DC comics; in actuality the publisher that owned DC brought WB in the 70's.
WB hasn't been a strong brand since the fricking 90s you moron.
yea but people know WB more than Discovery.
Warner hasn't had a financial flop in ages. They weren't pulling MCU numbers but almost every movie they've made for almost the past 20 years made money
If by "ages" you mean "last week" then sure
You have to have a flop to waste millions?
It isn’t though, that’s what you aren’t getting. Discovery BOUGHT WB because it is a mismanaged shitshow.
Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile told me streaming services were going to replace cable and movie theaters but they all seem to be choking and bleeding out money?
What exactly happened? Is this how 90s and Y2K futurist nerds felt when the internet turned out to be more of the same hyper commodified trash of before instead of a way for humanity to liberate itself?
Guess what? The pandemic is coming to a close so people’s habits are returning back to what it was before (theaters and television). At least Pluto tv is doing fantastic
>are returning back to what it was before (theaters and television)
But cable TV is still dead and the box office is still way down compared to where it was in 2019.
>Pluto tv
Pluto is so close to being based. They just need to work out the few serious issues.
I wish their rotation of shows was better. Also upset they stopped showing TMNT 2003. I can watch it on youtube anytime, sure, but I want to show support.
Wait, what? They actually stopped airing the 2003 series? When'd that happen? Feels like I was just watching some episodes of it a month ago.
I feel like sometime in June/July, maybe before? Granted its hard to tell with the schedule only showing up to a few hours in advance. Another anon speculates its because an online poll on the official twitter had 2003 voted as the favorite of the cartoons which might've made Viacom salty so they took it down.
Do they still only show Rise of the TMNT on weekends? If so, that would mean that the 2012 series is the only one they play 95% of the time now, right? That's pretty lame.
>At least Pluto tv is doing fantastic
The fact I can watch 24/7 Garfield and Friends is one of the greatest things to have happened to online streaming.
>cable and movie theaters
What makes you think these are doing any better?
The 90s and 00s Internet was genuinely amazing though. It getting co-opted later doesn't rewrite that history.
Streaming OTOH was always a cash grab that was ultimately a band-aid over the real problem - the lack of true, linear online TV.
>Ink an overall development deal with WB/CN to create new shows and films
>this shitshow happens
Welp time to do what Greenblatt did and ink with Disney meanwhile this shitfest is happening
>Gremlins cartoon keeps getting delayed
>now this happens
>on top of all the other HBO and AS shows I like
>on top of the Genndy deal
WB is going to die
It's kind of funny how we all joked about Netflix dying but now their competition is fricking up and giving them more than enough room to make a come back
>HBO, a brand that has a high reputation, is getting gutted in favor of putting the spotlight on the fricking Ancient Aliens Ice Road House Hunters people no one even thinks about
>Netflix is burning and the closest thing it has towards victories are that it's having a slow and painful death rather than a fast and merciful implotion
>Disney is releasing flop after flop, D+ is underperforming
Is the entertainment industry just finally catching up to the effects of covid? No one is actually doing well and everyone seems to be doing poorly under different circumstances.
Universal is doing pretty good and paramount made a major comeback with hit after hit at the box office scene(not just top gun 2)
Netflix has room to make a comeback, peawiener still doesn't have shit outside the office and Paramount+ gambled with Halo and that went terribly
Not the effects of covid, but the effects of all wanting their own streaming service and segmenting themselves out and then needing content for their service so just filling it with a bunch of random shit that it becomes overwhelming.
They all wanted that Netflix money. And instead they all suffered, even Netflix. Except for Sony who played it right by not making a streaming service but making deals with all the services to show their content.
So when's everyone gonna crawl back to Netflix, anon?
soon I hope If this taught anyone anything it's that not all monopolies are bad, but that they can be hamfisted with garbage gay shit if you dont scream and rant and mail in letters like you did on public cable
They're not. They killed it all trying to get a piece of the pie when they saw how well Netflix was doing in the mid 2010s. This is the aftermath. They didn't realise that the appeal of Netflix and Hulu was all those shows in one place for just one subscription that was less than $20. When they split off, it was all over for the streaming business. People don't wanna pay $10 - $20 for multiple services, just to see one show and then another 15 filler shows. Then those streaming services spend a ton of money filming new projects so that they have constant new content every month so your subscribers stay, which gets more and more difficult when you're niche.
great post love how you included hulu because that one is an odd one. before the disney fox buyout, i guess. Because hulu is only in America or on military bases. and i knew fox owned some of it, but now it's disney right?
If any of these studios collapse in the next few years they'll blame it on the streaming wars (even though there was even more to the problems)
Networks think this means TV will live again but in reality kids are just watching youtube and tiktok.
Yeah. Livestreaming services like Youtube and Twitch and TikTok is the future. Very similar to TV in that its free to watch content with ads. Except the users supply the content for them. Mostly in an attempt to get famous.
Nobodys gonna run back to Netflix. Its paid content with ads. Companies are trying to salvage their failed streaming services by merging them because they've realised their brand isn't strong enough and the amount of content they have to create under that niche is too much.
Its funny as this has now happened to DC Twice. DC honestly fricking thought it could have had its own network full of strong content that it'd be profitable with the amount of subscribers. They honestly though Titans, Harley Quinn and Doom Patrol was a strong enough streaming service seller. Then that got merged with HBO, and now its getting merged with Discovery.
Every Titans season so far has been on a new network.
>Yeah. Livestreaming services like Youtube and Twitch and TikTok is the future.
Anon it’s been exactly 17 years since YouTube launched and has been running in the red for Google. I think you’re right in regards to the splintering effect killing off Netflix style streaming services like this, but we’ve been told that the future would be user generated content for a while now, and turns out too much of it relies on scripted content to be even taken an interest on.
WB in particular seems to be cursed with getting shitty mergers, they’re taking on this Discovery merger because of debt AT&T left them from their failed tenure.
Youtube, Twitch and TikTok won't kill Netflix, Disney, WB and other old school media companies but they are pushing the old media landscape to merge into more mega conglomerates or be acquired by even bigger tech mega conglomerates. There isn't a need for like 7-10 streaming services offering the same type of scripted entertainment when so much of our attention is now divided by Social media (Youtube, TikTok, Instragram, Twitch), Video games or really any other form of activities. Reed Hastings even said that the biggest competition to Netflix is Youtube, Fortnite and gaming as a whole. But there is still demand for scripted content (especially animation) that required large funds to produce that would be hard or nigh impossible to do on patreon, ad sense or through any other means of revenue generating in these social media landscapes.
fortnite is sucking tho, do CEOs really think it's making alot?
>Social media
kids...
anon im 27 and it's been months since i opened hulu or netflix, they are just making bank
sony always wins
is releasing flop after flop, D+ is underperforming
Source?
Lightyear sold below expectations so Cinemaphile is going to pretend everything else that Disney released this year and past one wasn't a success
>Lightyear sold below expectations
No, Doctor Strange and Thor sold below expectations
Lightyear was a box office bomb
People think Thor bombed, and while i think it was a dumb movie it seems like it should at least match the 715mil of Ragnarok (850mil - 135mil for Russia and China)
love and thunder has made about $420 mil in profit right now
ragnarok, adjusted for inflation, made $825 mil (minus russia and china)
i wouldn't call it a flop, but it certainly underperformed for what was supposed to be a tentpole blockbuster
The president said we aren’t in a recession and the economy is great Disney just needs to pick themselves up by the bootstraps. A company doesn’t need the CIA help and it’s own tax bracket it needs good old fashioned sweat and blood
And you believed Biden words?
TEEN TITANS GO STILL SURVIVES?!
Of course a big earner and cheap to make. Maybe it’ll go live action
I just read that Paul Dini was the writer on the canceled SCOOB thing.
Cartoons are forever erased because of Discovery. Damn you Mike Rowe AND your dirty jobs.
But, someone’s gotta do it
Most of HBOMAX originals sucked, it felt like most shows were made to meet their diversity quota. Only thing I’ll miss is Jellystone and Close Enough, both were good not necessarily great but very watchable.
Most originals created to pad out streaming services' libraries suck. Applies to Max, Netflix, Amazon, Disney.
Linear TV also had filler content produced but it was easier to ignore at least.
Everytime I use Disney+ I have to cope with the fact that there is a big amount of ASMR stuff to the point it has it's own tab
>Disney+
>ASMR
srsly?
No, on D+ they have something called Zenimation where they play silent clips from various movies with some random background noise added in. I don't see the point to it tbh.
National Geographic is AMSR?
Yeah but since stuff aired at a specific time, instead of on demand, the filler content was usually just shit they aired during dead hours like at 1am. And also because it was just one show at a time, not whatever the viewer wants to see whenever they want, they could air reruns of old shows just to fill time. Now they can't with streaming services. Because that old content is on demand at any time. Part of a lot of streaming service's advertising pitch is "You get access to our ENTIRE library of work!" except this means they now need constant new content.
Soon they'll realize and crawl back to Netflix and Prime Video (I have no idea what will become of Hulu)
And the minute they do, most of Netflix's problems will magically disappear because now they can fall back on establish pop culture again. And all these hackjob mergers made specifically to bulk up streaming libraries will come apart at the seems.
Disney's gonna buy the rest of Hulu in 2024 and roll the content into Disney+.
Only loss there is Close Enough.
I bet Disney's eyeing Sony's American entertainment division. Warner and Universal are both major players in the music industry yet Disney doesn't.
>Warner and Universal are both major players in the music industry yet Disney doesn't.
This is flase, Disney's record company is Hollywood Records and the Walt Disney Records
They're not the big three. The big three that dominates over 80% of the market are Universal, Warner Bros., and Sony. I think they usually release under Universal as well, so in the music industry they're kind of Universal's b***h.
Calling the service Discovery anything is like repellent. Most viewers are adverse to nonfiction, educational programming. SpongeBob knew back in 2001- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOqEbqDKU00
Has Discovery even released a major feature film? They're profitable because they're just filming nature, a single person, or loony attention prostitutes for free.
Discovery doesn't make movies you fricking moron. That's WHY they bought WB in the first place.
Do you not understand a rhetorical question?
Apple+ is such an anomaly to me. They seem so small yet they're still chugging along.
Disney's going to eat Hulu in two years.
Apple has more money than it knows what to do with right now, how this always starts. They can always sell their catalogue later.
They do. And the more niche you get, the harder it is to think of constant, original, new ideas every month to keep subscribers because these streaming services quickly found out people weren't willing to pay for just one or two major shows. They want lots of content if they're gonna be spending $10 - $20, especially since now instead of just subscribing to Netflix and getting all that content at your whim for $15, they have to sign up to 5 - 10 things to get the same amount of major content. Its how we're only in year 2 of Disney+ and we're already at bottom of the barrel literal who's like the Agatha Harkness Show and Echo. Because they need that string of content. Which is vastly easier to do when you're not tied by a company, or a channel around a specific niche, but a large independent channel like Netflix. Its why early Netflix worked.
Its also why Sony's eating well. They went the opposite route. No streaming services, lets just make these other desperate for content to keep subscribers streaming services pay to put our content on their service.
Sony Pictures laughing at the bank as their peers cannibalize each other and propping up services with content most people don't want is really goofy.
>Tom Rothman playing 4D chess is actually what saves Sony Pictures
Hilarious
They have their own issues still like trying to make a Spider-Man villain universe but whoever is in charge of their distribution has been smart. They realised trying to make content for a streaming service is a money sink so they just rented out their own content.
With Apple TV most of their originals suck but every so often they pump out something kino such that I feel obligated to keep subscribing.
Too dumb to figure out piracy?
But that's unlegal.
I take it that's a yes.
Unironically yes.
OH NONONONO SUMMER CAMP ISLAND BROS THEY CAN'T FRICKING DO THIS TO US!!!
Isn't it still airing in the UK?
Frick off
No one fricking likes cooking shows you idiot homosexuals at discovery
We have to appeal to 50+ white moms and dads, please understand
Capitalism is evil
Nah, Americans just suck at it.
Yes, how will we live without CNN+ and Full Frontal with Samantha Bee. I can only weep.
Only loss here is Pera
>Gordita chronicles
What they expect when making the main character a fat Hispanic girl?
Wasn't she that Disney Channel actor that was popular with kids
Not sure, this show was my first time hearing about her. She has a filmography?
>close enough
>three busy debras (only saw one episode but it fit adult swims style seemingly)
>joe pera
im so glad the internet and independent platforms like youtube are making these companies defunct as time goes on
>but it fit adult swims style seemingly
It didn't.
Three Busy Debras sucked.
>just watched a some episodes of that Pera show
>really comfy and relatable
>just realize it got axed
Every time I find a new show to watch it turns out that it got cancelled or just went on a prolonged hiatus that many assume that it got canned.
>Every time I find a new show to watch it turns out that it got cancelled or just went on a prolonged hiatus that many assume that it got canned.
*looks at Mao Mao*
I’m gonna miss Joe Pera but I’m happy we got the first 2 seasons, 3 just kind of felt like an epilogue
was snowpiercer any good? i was too disappointed that it didn't follow up on the movie
>Cancelling Samantha Bee, Naomi, CNN+, Wonder Twins, Scoob sequel nobody asked for, and Batgirl
Zaslav is sounding quite fricking based to be quite honest
so what becomes of them? lost media?
yeah, if they're being written off they probably won't be released anywhere officially so they'll be lost media unless they get leaked
It has to be actually produced to be lost
so what happens to shows that never see the light of day due to mergers and layoffs?
They become lost media
Toonami is also dead
that's not new though
either a new streaming service will pick up these canned projects or just broadcast them. discovery is starting to sound a lot like a certain soemone.
They can't. They're legal write offs.
Hulu already brought Dreamcorp LLC
that wasn't a write off then, it was sold
The show that was cancelled?
Can I still watch the old shit
If so I don't care
Nope, it's being erased. All of it.
say syke
They have a guy holding his finger down on the delete button nonstop since Monday.
It is cheaper for a network to sell a property to the US government for tax write-off purposes than just keep it on their platform.
>Final Space
>Megas XLR
>Sybionic Titan
There are others but those are the important Cinemaphile shows.
>PBS has enough action cartoons to remake Toonami
That's not how tax write off works
It could, but it won't.
Just write to your politician and make it so
I wish they sold the property to the US government, or at the very least released those shows into the public domain. Instead it just means that those shows go into a vault and the studio never legally releases it again because they are no longer legally allowed to, but they still hoard the IP.
they can release it, they just can't make any money from that release... which is why studios never release it.
All the animation film they have is being put through a paper shredder as we type
They are deleting the entire WB cartoon library from the 20's. Say bye to Bosco.
Does it change anything if my HBO Max is LA
Discovery is gonna nuke Latin America
Why live
The dirty fricks
And then there’s Bosco! He’s dead..
no, not if they can write off the whole series
>Sweden, Denmark and Finland
Can you name a single show or cartoon from those countries that was made recently
>cartoons are the only national export or measurement of success that matters
This is a thread on Cinemaphile if you want to talk about boring shit like GDP or taxes go somewhere else
God tomorrow is going to be brutal...
... better go check the archive for more "ladderbro" memes
What's your dead pool for HBO MAX?
they've said they're going to specifically go after the shows that "aren't performing well" and seeing as Peacemaker was considered a huge success despite doing worse that Ms. Marvel I'd say that's everything
Selina + Chef is probably fine though because reality show
I've never watched Discovery, so I decided to check out what they have to offer. The only shows I'd ever even heard of were Mythbusters and fricking Shark Week. Do they seriously think that their brand is better than HBO?
It is more profitable apparently.
Yeah in fricking India or something.
On TV where you don't have to go out of your way to watch. I doubt that success will translate over to the streaming market, which Zaslav is going to learn the hard way
The question raised was “Do they think Discovery’s brand is better?” And it is. It is more profitable, and that is all investors care about.
Sure, profit triumphs most, but it can only take you so far
In terms of branding, HBO is still more recognizable and has a better reputation than Discovery, which is more important when it comes to things like this.
Says who? HBOmax is a money pit not enough people are subscribing to justify the originals. Recognition means NOTHING if they don’t subscribe. Investors know WB is troubled because it ALWAYS is. Yes, Discovery is the safer bet for now because investors can see their portfolio.
well no shit it costs like $20 and a burger to make 50 seasons of some ghost hunter shit
Normies love trashy reality TV and its easy to make content for. You just find some weirdos and get a camera and film them.
I'm surprised Discovery doesn't feel threatened by YouTube. People film themselves being shitheads and make money with no middleman.
Try actually making money off YouTube without coming from wealth like the Paul Brothers, you’ll find out quick why they’re not worried.
they're?
>Normies
I still find funny how the pirates have better services than the ones who pay
Based trips, and I mean it’s fairly obvious why. These services are designed to generate content first. Pirates just nab and preserve it for circulation. Especially since no physical media is involved, it’s all a matter of who has it available and how fast can I get it. People only played nice with streaming services initially because the cost was low and the money directly went into acquiring/making more content. Now that it all split off into niches asking you cash and using original content as a carrot to entice rather than actual commitments, no one cares anymore.
CARTOONS, ALL GONE. All... 9 hbomax original cartoons? I thought they had more?
why can't Disney + eat discovery, HBO Max, and Hulu?? Netflix can now have competition with Disney plus now
>MONOPOLY IS GOOD NOW
Do you hear yourself?
>BUNDLING IS GOOD AGAIN
Listen I for one don't want netflix to control everything but I miss the old monopoly days
Even back then, Netflix had to fight Prime Video and Hulu for your attention so it wasn't exactly a monopoly.
well again hulu was american only so not much competition there when netflix has the international and domestic
Then Hulu in the new Central hub age will be replaced with Apple TV. After all, Apple has infinite money.
The Netflix near-monopoly was good because they offered a good product at a good cost. I don’t give a shit about “much competitive market” as long as the product is good, I’ll pay for it and now it’s not thanks to this so called “competition” all failing in their own ways.
What was ironic is the media companies whining about muh competitive market and Netflix monopolizing streaming were all big monopolies like Disney and Warner and the like.
yeah this is the one time where having competetion failed everyone and keeping the status quo of semi monopoly netflix was better. even if netflix continues to be shit and push out turds you had the classics and other shows to lean on and honestly less turds would need to be pinched from netflix's ass because theyd have their catalogue back.
You know damn well this is they real reason they started weekly episodes. not for "consumer water cooler talk" but to pad out their barren platform
I actually miss when Netflix had a monopoly over the streaming market instead of having multiple streaming services
I miss when Netflix was just renting DVDs.
Youtubers and Minecraft killed gaming.
I'd be fine with Disney eating Discovery and ONLY Discovery. Frick monopolies
Disney has National Geographic, which is Discovery but superior in every conceivable way and doesn't come with the baggage that is TLC
Discovery's way bigger than National Geographic though. They have the Discovery Channel, the Travel Channel, the Food Network, Animal Planet, HGTV, TLC... I couldn't name the channel National Geographic had to its name. If they did have a channel, it never caught my attention.
I didn't say National Geographic was bigger. I said it was better, personally.
you said it as if it's fact
I did, didn't I? Well, I don't deny Discovery is the monster behemoth even before WB.
> monster behemoth
go back
DC Comics is safe though right guys? right???
They scripted?
They'll never sell DC because Batman makes them too much movie and merchandising money. But I predict that they'll stop making new DC comics, only reprint old comics (mostly Batman), and maybe license out the characters to Dark Horse or whatever.
Latinbros go and rip the old toons immediately
man this is all so fricking stupid
both warner bros and discovery have fricked up so bad that they are both almost going under, and now theyre gonna gut the only successful thing they made in a while instead of just getting rid of the dead weight on the original teams
Toonamibros... I'm feeling faint...
Uzumaki never ever, I guess…
too bad this is the only platform I'm watching right now
Real talk there's no stupider move than going into Entertainment as a career. Everybody makes for for free now. One out of 300 Million of those people will hit the lottery and earn an honest living from it.
Not even kidding we've reached the point where being a server at a restaurant as your job-job not day job is a billion times more potentially lucrative and realistic.
You are basically fricked unless you're from wealthy Hollywood royalty and therefore will never have to work a day, anyway.
If you don't want to die homeless never think of it as anything but an expensive hobby like traveling to islands because that's exactly what it is, a hobby YOU pay for with your OWN money in your own free time, might as way say you do "yachting for fun" for a "living."
As bad as it is now more and more tech companies more and more will make money from customer's content they make for free, computer engineers will be the only people making any money, though.
so what is a real job?
Decent Tier:
Engineer
DOCTOR
>power gap
>power gap
>power gap
Can Be OK, Do Your Research Tier:
Other Medical Jobs like:
anesthesiologist
Physician's Assistant
dentist
some kinds of Nurse
some programming/IT jobs
it's a global economy, basically if you would ask a nobody from India what they'd work to become to be able to eat food and live under a roof, do that. Otherwise you might be fricked.
Everything else gets into "depends" territory. Are you connected, extremely extroverted, physically attractive, young, nepotism hire, charismatic? Some kinds of Accountant, depending on the market of that very moment. Have an Engineering degree from M.I.T. AND a Law Degree from Harvard? niche lawyer, but Law is a disaster field without the right Top School, connections, and/or niche background.
Basically stick to STEM but mostly the E and M and some small T.
Other things: do a ton of research, top schools, connections, you might be okay. Anything fricking CREATIVE, ENTERTAINMENT, fricking liberal arts, basically any stupid shit about getting "fans" and "famous": You had better have a few million dollars in savings. People PAY millions of their own money or their own family's money to get that now, not the other way around. Or else four generations in the business and again you family gives you 200 mil for your first movie and you might still fricking fail. I'm serious, don't do it. At that point settling into McDonalds unironically makes much more sense unless you don't mind dying on the streets at 22 years old.
>t. Guy who got a business degree pretending to be a STEMlord
Believe what you want, I speak form experience. Everyone I know who did (good, not amazing but reasonable rep) med school or engineering degree including me = okay, not incredibly except for surgeons or decent tier FAANG positions, but at least okay. Everyone else = living with their parents at bestm homeless at worst. Sometimes even from Ivies outside of those narrow fields, you're fricked.
Business degree = you're going to Stanford or Harvard, dad is a Fortune 500 CEO, or some "diversity" points (but check they're the right one), go for it. Otherwise you're rolling the fricking dice. A smarter idea than "Hollywood" or animation industry bullshit anyway though, what the frick is wrong with you?
>STEMlord
Here's a secret you won't believe until it's too late, then you'll just know: that's a meme because it's absolutely true. Those are the only real jobs. Feel free to ignore this advice and suck it sooner or later. In the past it was sometimes okay and anyone can do well for a while but eventually you will fricking regret it.
how old are you?
31.
I'm just shouting a warning. But I know you'll ignore it. Because I've seen it over and over again. Enjoy.
Oh you’re just a schizo.
I think I just destroyed my dick, bros. I can no longer produce cum. My semen bank is fricking dead and I only have my single-minded desire to frick a cartoon bear to blame.
whats power gap?
Basically as long as the schools are pretty good and accredited and recognized, being a doctor or an engineer, you can get a house and start a family. Depending on the specifics (neurosurgeon from top med school = / = civil engineer from an okay state school) it might not be incredible but livable. Almost anything less than that depends. That's why you'll notice immigrants from the 3rd world always have those careers, they are tickets and always needed. Outside of that personal connections, elite brand name schools, physical appearance and magnetism start being needed to an extent, and or some luck and having the specific needed skills at the right time. Sure people outside do get rich, of course, but look closer and luck and/or those intangibles (family connections, bringing wealth to it, personality, really are one of the most accomplished people in your field in the world) play a role.
Long story short though don't do fricking entertainment. Like you could win a billion dollars in the lottery sure you could, you almost definitely will not. Beware of survivorship bias and or people with families who could support them indefinitely in the "successful" people you talk to, if they went to a top school like Cal Arts and lived with their grandparents for free while they made their cartoon pilot, ask yourself if you're going to CalArts and if you can live with your family for free for decades while they support you and maybe fail anyway. Ask yourself if you have all the industry connections that they do.
A life without cum is depressing, please tell me how to fix this before I die without the ability to wank to cartoon characters.
Go go to a forest or a national park and hump to the first bear you encounter
Bear will kill you but you won't die a virgin
Help me, I need ejaculate. Mental faculties are failing. Balls are shriveled up like raisins please.
I don't wanna start a family tho
Then just be ready to have to default to something like food service and live with roomates in an apartment for life or you're fine, or else have a fricking back up plan where you don't have to do that. With no prospects dating will be tough. If you're okay with that it's okay but start saving for retirement NOW since no one will help you and you're relying on your body being in good shape to do menial physical labor unless again you make a back up plan which you can and should do. For some entertainment and Hollywood "jobs" the rate of people even making a shitty ass living is like 0.0001% that's why the fricking phrase "day job" is so well known an omnipresent, again if you don't mind being a waiter for life it's okay just think about your finances and what happens when you get old.
but I hate people
There needs to be a sticky when DC Comics gets shut down
>black batgirl cancelled
>Latinx super girl cancelled
Frick these racist neofascist drumpfites
Fricking glorious. Haven't felt this good since New Gods got cancelled
Never liked this casting choice, not because she's Latinx but because she looks like my sister and I don't want to associate the grumpy ass ho I've been living with all my life with my favorite comics waifu.
She is not ugly but she is no Kara.
Nobody would have an issue with her if they had just made her Cir-El.
What about Latiny and Latinz?
Thank goodness for Plex
I wish they’d just announce the Venture Bros movie is canceled and get it over with already
I feel this. I already assume it’s been dead for a while, but a formal announcement would be nice.
I’m on the edge of my fricking seat waiting till Saturday to see if the ATHF movie is announced or not. If not, it’s canned.
Being released straight to Blu-Ray/DVD instead of being HBOMAX only thing might be what saves the AS movies. We'll see new info this weekend if the ATHF movie is getting released or not.
what happens this weekend? I'm not reading this whole thread and just searching to make sure the as movies are safe
Wasn't HBOmax the fastest growing streaming platform in the last year? Isn't killing it fricking insane?
It is. And no, it’s not insane if you’re a typical suit. Nobody believes in long term growth anymore, anon.
Not when the head of all of this headed discovery and doesn't "get" scripted content. He's going what made him money in the past.
This feels incredibly short-sighted and moronic. Then again, I'm not a businessman so what the frick do I know.
>announce tiny toons reboot at comic con
>lol cancel it
Anime killed cartoons, since we can't make anime, sure as hell I can't I only draw cartoons since they have no perspective, they will do their fishing and car tuning shows instead, I do miss game shows like the price is right or jeopardy they should make those again.
HBO Latin America is showing anime now, I wonder what'll happen to them now.
>Nobody believes in long term growth anymore, anon.
Where will that take them five years from now on?
>Where will that take them five years from now on?
They literally do not care. More money now, see what happens later. That’s the reasoning.
>Where will that take them five years from now on?
They'll probably be working for another company by then. Everything in modern business models revolves are short term growth because that's all investors are interested in.
Video games and youtubers killed cartoons, kids don't give a shit about anime.
>kids don't give a shit about anime.
Not entirely true but the ones that do almost exclusively watch shit on kissanime.ru and readmangaonline.to. There is almost no money to be made of off anime outside of obsessive otakus buying toys and blu-rays.
>kids don't give a shit about anime.
Talk about being behind on the times.
This is the most wrong statement I've seen this year. Every other month games get animu collabs and the zoomers made Demon Slayer the only recent series to pass One Piece in sales. My stepbrother and his friends can't stop talking about fricking Boruto and MHA. And I live in the fricking south, I can only imagine how anime obsessed places like NY and Cali are.
>I can only imagine how anime obsessed places like NY and Cali are.
As someone who lives in Massachusetts it's pretty fricking popular.
I don't hang out around kids because kids are annoying as shit, but whenever I DO have some exposure to them they're usually watching youtubers/streamers, watching anime, or playing video games.
holy shit wrong
Not exactly, the problem is that when anime became mainstream in the USA, something caused on youths that made them lean into the extreme left and trying to look like anime characters or something like that.
Plus do cartoons or animations in a quasi bastardized anime style. Like Steven Universe.
All of the most popular anime in the west like Cowboy Bebop are commie shit so it's no surprise that anime fans of the 2000's are majority left-leaning
>something caused on youths that made them lean into the extreme left
I'm not sure what left-right has to do with this, there are plenty of people from all over the spectrum who prefer anime over cartoons, outside of literal white supremacists who hate anime purely because it's not made by white people.
And even then, that doesn't include the white supremacists who consider Japs "honorary Aryans."
>something caused on youths that made them lean into the extreme left
The opposite actually
>le racist k-on meme xD
I bet you a fraction of the kids who keep the meme going have bothered to actually watch it instead of just wikidiving to know the names of the girls for their shitposts.
Why would anyone want to watch moeshit garbage popular with wannabe nazi LARPers?
Its a cute and fun show. 🙂
Is the new AT Fionna and cake spinoff likely to be affected? It's being made for HBO Max, but it's a CN studios production. They could just slap it on adult swim or something.
It is a young adult production, but do you really want Adam Muto to keep making lovable cute girls like Fionna into lesbians and emasculate father figures like Simon?
I don't give a frick if Fionna is gay or not. And Simon has always been a meek guy, though brave when he needs to be. What is it with you guys and caring about stupid bullshit. I just like adventure time.
Goddamn, I knew I shouldn't have gotten attached to Titans.
man, it's the only streaming service that I like and use
>rename HBO max... HBO
>Do what they already did before max, untether HBO from cable as cable infrastructure evolves into just being internet for most households
Most max subscriptions come from having HBO with cable anyway. The rebrand+bet that a streaming service should be developed in parallel was clear cannibalism to anyone but the most moronic of executive.
>Design a GUI that isn't ass and stops lagging out cable boxes and dongles like it's a bitcoin miner
>Remove the anti screenshot israelitery from the mobile apps
>Release original content on it with a backlog of movies and TV shows like... HBO always has done
>Have some indie stuff with higher quality control than your competitors
>Kill all the side apps like cartoon network and put the whole catalog of content on one service
>Bring back the banned episodes like the radioactive black man Aqua Teen Hunger Force so your service stops being inferior to piracy.
Seems that at least some of this the new direction, but they'll squander it be calling it something dumb and lose all the brand prestige of HBO just to placated WB-discovery suits.
Get woke, go broke.
>quads wasted on a homosexual who's unironically happy that Conglocorp Inc. merged with ShillMedia S.T.D. and killed every decent show because they didn't make enough gorillion dollars
>decent show
Lol
>Cinemaphile is freaking out too
No they're not, most of Cinemaphile doesn't give a frick about any of those games, especially AAA junk that's still aping Arkham Asylum over a decade later because innovation is dead in the AAA gaming industry.
You talk as if Cinemaphile has standards. There's daily Ubisoft shill threads around their new game releases and the jannies just won't get rid of them.
>You talk as if Cinemaphile has standards.
I don't think I've seen a single thread for any of the games anon listed there that was positive.
Even the Multiversus threads are just Cinemaphile crossboarders and autism.
That thread is like 80% people freaking out about Cinemaphile material, since, again, it's mainly Cinemaphile crossboarders.
And there are people upset about the WW game being at risk
A small minority compared to the Cinemaphile crossboarders upset about their preferred comic/capeshit being cancelled.
No they're legit losing their shit about Multiversus being shitcanned. Go look right now
>go woke, get broke
>while cheering on the same company that pushes toddlers with tiaras and my name is jazz
lmao
>”much parrot catchphrase”
Zaslav hates all scripted media equally. Not even Clint Eastwood is something he finds acceptable. Find something else to repeat your meme phrase to.
But the point of Jerry Maguire was a critique of that very quote?
Do you even think for a second that business suits actually care about what the snappy phrases from the movies actually mean? A good chunk of them think the Gordon Gekko speech is unironically inspirational.
This is moronic. As said in the article, 50+ years of consistently coming in under budget and on time, that is valuable to have.
Cinemaphile is freaking out too because of WB Games being at risk as well
>Multiversus
>Wonder Woman
>Gotham Knights
>Suicide Squad
And everything else
Being a Wondybro is suffering
>Big villain of Multiversus is The Nothing, erasing all of Warner's Universes
>in real life Discovery is The Nothing, erasing all of Warner's Universes
Pottery.
Good riddance. Those games are shit. Multiversus tried to copy Smash bros which is lame now that Minecraft Steve is in.
Gotham Knights, the Arkham series should had died in the first game.
Suicide Squad dur hurr lets kill the Justice League and never have a Superman game
>the Arkham series should had died in the first game.
Ehh, I enjoyed City.
But at this point they should just let it end, it's been 7 years since the last game and Arkham Knight was nothing special by 2015 outside of the graphics.
Well City was still decent, but by 2011 there was a quality decline. And also Batwank.
All trash, cope
Gotham Knights the Game will probably be okay. The show is definitely canned.
I don't get it, if Discovery's plan is to just churn out more of the stuff they had already in non-scripted shit and focus on the TV ventures, then what the frick is the point of purchasing Warner?
Maybe at first they tried, but once they saw they had no idea how to do it they just reverted to the only thing they know how to do.
The point is that David Zaslav gets to buy a mansion in LA and mix with Hollywood bigwigs.
Wall Street wants media companies to have "scale", thinking bigger is always better and big media companies have large content libraries due to them being in business for decades of not over a century( the studios). But it seems that instead of scale and being larger, these companies need to be nimble to upcoming changes and have a competent team of executives and CEOs who know the inside and out of the company and address their weaknesses and strengthen the things they're good at.
Bigger doesn't mean better and putting yourself in 55 billion dollars worth of debt is an absolute dumbass move, if you don’t have a cohesive plan.
Also, this whole streaming wars bullshit is Wall Street pushing media companies into making asinine financial decisions to a bunch of banks to make further money.
I don't know if I've seen this answered, but what in God's name did they do to fall into 55 BILLION DOLLARS in debt? Have bonfires using $100 bills?
Who AT&T? They bought media empires and cable companies at primo prices on debt. They went further in debt to buy up 5G wavelength in markets across the country. When they auctioned off 5G, it raised something like 80 billion dollars. (T-Mobile/Sprint got the lion's share).
So typical conglomerate stuff. Thanks, that clears things up a bit.
WB puts out 30 movies a year with a pricetag of $100 million or more each combine that with the constant tv shows and a streaming service that needs its own content and it racks up pretty quickly especially when most of those movies bomb ans the tv shows get canceled after 6 episodes
People who want to watch the good HBO stuff will now be putting money in the pockets of the guy financing the shit Discovery stuff. Right now only a few boomers are putting money in his pocket and he's sad about it.
So Discovery's doing this cause it's not what, Deadliest Catch?
>Multiversus makes 1000s of dollars
>Discovery cancels it
>people want their money back
wait how is the game affected?
You think Discovery wants to be attached to a fighting game?
See
Multiversus survived the cut
For now. They might start feeling it if Discovery starts writing off shit or selling off properties they intended on using. They currently have the heavy hitters and a couple rarities like Iron Giant. We’ll see if Zaslav gets desperate from there.
>Everyone is talking about cartoons and television shows.
>Nobody mentioning how this dude is also in control of DC Comics; y'know, the actual comic division.
Sweating bullets here.
Oh for frick sakes.
>Alfred, we must go
>Where to, Master Bruce?
>To the southern most point of Africa. We must... see a great white breach the surface.
Who unironically still gives a frick about DC comics?
Or most comics in general?
It's ups and downs, man. Ups and downs. I love comics and I love DC characters, but they've shit up the mainline by making it basically appeal to kids (despite making kids/ya graphic novels) and tackling actual issues with only extreme leftist ideas. Plus, they've over saturated their line with nothing but Batman for far too long.
I would. I'd nuke the whole line, take a 5 month hiatus, have an awesome event that reestablishes everyone in a modern timeline with updates to careers, make meaningful changes, and go back to telling adult stories that don't involve pronouns or other stupid shit.
As someone who's actually been fine with DC's direction since Didio left, there's a lot of Cinemaphile that would just want to nuke them and have them reboot yet again.
Good. Maybe we can get a break from the cape shit movie farm for a bit.
>Bruce Wayne - Undcover Billionaire.
>Man vs Wild with Oliver Queen.
>One Way Out starring Scott Free.
>Battlebots - Hosted by Hiro Okamura.
>Vic Sage - Global Investigator.
>Legendary Locations with Carter Hall.
>The Great King Shark Stakeout.
>Deadliest Catch - Gotham.
>Mysteries of the Deep with Arthur Curry.
>The Last Kryptonians.
>Dark Water with Alec Holland.
Idk man.. These new shows are sounding kinda fire.
>I am J'onn J'azz
>Here Come Yogi and Honey Boo Boo
>Naked and Afraid in Arkham
Frick Discovery. HBO Max was the one streaming service I liked.
I bet Disney is behind this somehow
Nah just Discovery being Discovery. They have no care an any HBOMax because it's not their products. Discovery is stuck even further in the past than AT&T was. Thinking their cable shit can last.
Dude, if anyone's cable shit can last, it's Discovery's. Their cost base is tiny compared to competitors and their unscripted reality shit is the first thing people put on when they want something on but don't want to have to think about it.
Yeah, just the other day I was visiting my uncle's house and he had Shark Week on.
>YOUR GAME FRICKING SUCKS DEAD GAME NO VOICE ACTING
Worse, it now has English voice acting. It just needs Lori or Bobby.
you REALY want attention huh ?
I woulda subscribed to Max if they had new Mao Mao episodes.
How does discovery has so much power over this?
because they bought the fricking studio that created it you fricking moron.
are you also confused about how Disney shut down all of Fox?
Hold up, discovery that produces all those documentaries is even bigger than WB?
You have to understand some important bits about the whole Discovery/WB deal
>WB's alliance with AT&T was one thay, even though it looked good, had actually turned out to be a disaster because AT&T didn't know how to run a fricking mega corporation like WB
>WB also had some heavy debts, which AT&T only made bigger (it doesn't help that the pandemic happened, which fricked both even more in debts).
>AT&T decides to sell plenty of actions from WB to Discovery, making it its new homeplace, BUT also ensuring AT&T gets some good money and decisions out of this.
>Discovery, surprisingly enough, has a lot of money thanks to its gigantic number of channels which do really well, plus some important decisions made beforehand.
>we live in a timeline in which the Discovery channel is a vastly more powerful media conglomerate than Warner Bros
Go back, we fricked up at some point.
All empires crumble. Remember when Toys R Us and Blockbuster were king?
Friendly reminder that Toys R Us didn't just naturally crumble. It was preyed upon by corporate pirates that bought it, siphoned off anything of worth while claiming that it wasn't doing well, taking loans with companies that'd provide kickbacks to them and making the money disappear before calling for bankruptcy so that the government would have to step in and pay those loans while also doing tax dodging bullshit, giving them a bigger and faster payday than if they'd just sold a functioning toy company or kept it running.
What's with you morons always blaming AT&T? AT&T literally did nothing to WB. The incompetent morons who fricked it up were the same ones working at WB for literal decades before AT&T showed up.
AT&T saddled WB with debt, some of it AT&T debts. That said, AT&T was responsible for some good things, such as getting rid of the old silos, which is why CN could shank WB or WB Animation and DC over what should have been shared corporate goals/ambitions like GL-TAS or JLA, as far as we're discussing animation here today.
Well, he's not cutting back on his $200M salary for any of those $3B in savings, meanwhile no one is hiring back any people for DC Direct or for DC's collected editions/catalog staff, while they fire other wage slaves in any number of Warner's related companies.
>AT&T saddled WB with debt, some of it AT&T debts
Literally none of this is true. How big does your moronic ass think WB is?
Do you know how corporate accounting works? Large corps dump debt onto subsidiaries all the time
Just seems like you're an idiot who has absolutely no idea what's going on but desperately wants to bash AT&T despite the fact that they were literally the most hands of company in history for the year and a half they owned the most incompetent studio in the industry
I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain corporate finances to someone who probably thinks STONKS and AMC/GAME STOP were the be all and end all of all they needed to know even as they can barely afford to pay for a Taco Bell Mexican Pizza when they can find one for sale.
discovery does more than shitty “documentaries”, they made TONS of money from reality TV shows like Toddlers and Tiaras, Duck Dynasty, etc
ie shit that costs basically nothing to make
The CEO is figuring he can make money from writing off movies/shows and dumping scripted shit
100% he’s going to increase the amount of reality tv shows in the hbomax and discovery+ merger
Also 100% discovery being the “main brand” is his ego, as HBOmax has 3x the subscribers as discovery+ AND has the highest user satisfaction rating (with discovery being only above peawiener)
https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/discovery-warnermedia-merger-approvbed-investor-vote-1235201881/
Only because Discovery is the acquiring corporation and AT&T gutted Warner Brothers/WarnerMedia due to their inept leadership. AT&T didn't want in the business and Discovery purchased some of AT&T's debt to do it. Which is why WBD has around 55 billion dollars in debt. They're already trying to cut 3 billion dollars in debt, which is why so much content and shows/movies/properties are being cut,, and it's only going to continue to get worse.
>so we bought HBO, the name that makes everyone think of quality shows like Band of Brothers and Generation Kill
>let's merge it with our Discovery+ streaming service and remove any mention of HBO, everyone will be sure to think quality streaming service when they hear Warner Bros. Discovery!
Seriously, what the frick are they thinking with this naming scheme? It sounds like the kind of confusing rip-off name you'd find on an indian scam streaming site trying to make you think it's an official site.
Discovery+ was flopping so they're seeing this as away to incorporate the 60 million subscribers HBO Max had under Discovery+
The people addicted to Discovery's shit shows would get an HBO Max subscription to keep watching them. People who respect HBO won't think to switch to Discovery with the atrocious reputation it has. It's assbackwards.
>The people addicted to Discovery's shit shows would get an HBO Max subscription to keep watching them
Would they? The appeal of Discovery's shit is that you don't have to pay extra or put any actual effort into watching them.
The CEO of Discovery is absolutely up his own ass.
HBOmax has 3x the subscribers of Discovery+, and HBOmax as of June is the streaming service is the most user satisfaction at 94%. Discovery+ was at fricking 72%.
He wants those subscribers at Discovery+ and he wants those subscribers watching low tier reality TV trash that takes $100 dollars to make and probably has a sexual predator somewhere in the cast or in the production.
Say what you will about the guy but he turned Discovery into a money making machine and he was the mind behind NBCs golden age
>and probably has a sexual predator somewhere in the cast or in the production.
So it was Discovery who had a reality show about that mormon family with a pedo son they did nothing about?
Yes Duggars shit was on TLC that started in 2008.
TLC also had Little People, Big World.
>In 2020, Jacob Roloff claimed that he was groomed and molested by former producer Chris Cardamone during the production of the series between 2007 and 2010, when Roloff was between the ages of 10 and 13 years old.[21] While Roloff did not divulge details of the abuse, he emphasized that "all fault lies with the predator" and that "no fault lies with any of my family members." TLC responded to the allegations by saying "We are saddened and troubled by this very serious allegation, and TLC will work cooperatively with the authorities. Our main focus remains on supporting the Roloff family during this very difficult time.”[22]
Toddlers and Tiaras started in 2009.
TLC also had a show about the Willis Family in 2015 and 2016.
>Toby Willis was arrested in Kentucky on September 9, 2016 after fleeing there to avoid arrest on a child rape that occurred in Nashville back in 2004.[6]
>On July 11, 2017, Willis pleaded guilty to four counts of child rape. Cheatham County Circuit Court Clerk Julie Hibbs confirmed that Willis received two 25-year sentences on two counts and two 40-year sentences on the other two. Those sentences will be concurrent, and served at 100 percent, giving Willis a total of 40 years in prison.[7]
he raped his daughters and abused his whole family btw
Mind you, Zaslav became president of Discovery in 2006.
So why didn’t HBO/Warner buy Discovery?
cause AT&T sold them after embarassing themselves
>be streaming service during the pandemic
>stream 2021’s big movies the same time during their theatrical run when most of their movies that year were hot pungent shit
What could possibly go wrong?
Good
The new Total Drama seasons were just confirmed to be safe by one of the producers on twitter so TD fans can relax.
>the show that destroyed Canadian animation is still free to wreak havoc across the border
Peachy
Since American animation is dying harder with each and every passing day, I thought it would be a good idea to give out anime recs from this season:
>Yofukashi no Uta (Call of the Night)
> Kou Yamori is an average middle school student who struggles with grasping the complex concept of love. Because he sees little sense in surrendering to the norm, he soon stops going to school. Plagued with insomnia due to his idleness, Kou begins roaming the lonesome streets at night.
One night, Kou encounters a bizarre girl named Nazuna Nanakusa who believes that people stay awake during the night because they are dissatisfied with how they spent their day and cannot rest until they release their inhibitions. Nazuna offers to help Kou with his sleep issues and invites him over to her place, where she convinces him to share a futon with her. Feeling uncomfortable, Kou only pretends to doze off—which is when Nazuna suddenly bites his neck and reveals herself to be a vampire!
While Kou thinks the bite will turn him into a vampire, the specifics of transforming are not that simple. In order to change, he must be bitten by someone he truly loves. Ready to let go of his dreary mortal life, Kou decides on a new goal: he will fall in love with Nazuna and become a vampire.
Lycoris Recoil and Bastard!! are the must watch anime for me this season
Wrong board
>The Devil is a Part-Timer! (Season 2)
>The second season of a comedy anime where a demon king works at a McDonald’s knockoff
>Lycoris Recoil
> The number of terrorist acts in Japan has never been lower, thanks to the efforts of a syndicate called Direct Attack (DA). The organization raises orphaned girls as killers to carry out assassinations under their "Lycoris" program. Takina Inoue is an exceptional Lycoris with a strong sense of purpose and a penchant for perfection. Unfortunately, a hostage situation tests her patience, and the resulting act of insubordination leads to her transfer out of DA. Not thrilled about losing the only place she belonged to, she reluctantly arrives at her new base of operations—LycoReco, a cafe in disguise.
>Takina's new partner, however, turns out to be quite different from what she imagined. Despite being the famed Lycoris prodigy, Chisato Nishikigi appears almost unconcerned with her duties. She drags Takina along on all kinds of odd jobs under the simple explanation of helping people in need. Takina is even more puzzled when Chisato takes down a group of armed assailants without killing any of them. Feeling like a fish out of water, Takina itches to get reinstated into DA—but Chisato is determined to prove to her that there is more to a life than just taking them.
What is the fate of LTC and the movie that was suppose to come out with Daffy and Porky?
>Makes video shilling Cartoon Network Studios upcoming slate of content
>Suggests to make Fiona and Cake TV-14 for be an actual young adult show
>This happens
like poetry